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So, what are your top 10 biggest frustrations/complaints with the changes made by the Naruto anime (unrelated to filler).

The fillers were a big complaint to be honest, but if I were to exclude them, then in no particular order...

Having the anime end with Konoha Hiden/NH's wedding, rather than seeing Naruto as the Hokage, as done in the manga. How could they not have the anime end that way? Naruto becoming the Hokage was the dream from the very beginning.

Butchering the SS scenes in the anime, there are a lot of examples of this, but I'll just leave it to the three scenes which I discussed during this post, as they're the ones which bothered me the most.

Making Sakura hit Naruto for no reason in the anime, far more than she ever did in the manga.

Changing the order of the Hiden novels for no apparent reason.

Changing Naruto Gaiden to show that Naruto and Sasuke had a private talk in the Hokage's office, rather than their talk being part of the 5 Kage Summit with Sakura and all of the other high ranking village members, as was done in the Gaiden manga.

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with all due respect to naruto, does anyone really care that he died? did it affect the shinobi world? because yeah konoha is after naruto's killer because he killed their hokage but does it truly affect anything outside some "higherups" in a scene no one really cared about?

not his teammates, not the guy that became kazekage bc of him, not the entire world that cease conflicts and united bc of him, no one outside the same 2 people?

I might need to have a word with this writer bc the lack of development is offputting I think broly's sidekicks from dragon ball super get more development than boruto characters. I think I know more things about keith shadis from aot than I know about anyone from the new team 10.

not one panel or mention? eight months reading and no crumbs? I'm incredibly interested in gaara's thoughts and moreso about sakura's disposition about her besfriend dying and her husband held accountable than anything going on, hopefully april is the month or else I'm dropping this shit.

it feels like any naruto mention is a plot device but it doesn't really move the story forward they've been repeating the same thing of the shinju clones in different pov.

new generation? my ass they don't care about them I don't know anything about team 10 they show up flex their new designs and dip, can't recall anything the least memorable, not from shikadai who has a role model such as shikamaru to surpass, he was valuable but his son. metal lee exists in the story? anyone remember him? this is about the next gen they want not in general. who tf writes this can't play with more than 5 character per chapter.

If you want to drop it, then just drop it. You're clearly not enjoying it so there's no point in continuing with it.

#Boruto: Two Blue Vortex

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Annon-Guy: I'm gonna go out on a limb and guess that Madara Uchiha is a character you love (or love to hate) sense he's your character avatar?

If so, why is he one of your favorite antagonists?

Nine years ago, I sort of gave a semi joking explanation as to why I'm so fond of Madara. The post is over here if you're interested. It was written in a tongue-in-cheek manner, but there was also a lot of truth.

#Madara Uchiha

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Hello. How many times in the manga was Temari shown to fight? And who do you wish she had gotten a chance to fight?

Off the top of my head...

Her fight against Tenten

Her fight against Shikamaru

Her brief fight against Sasuke

Her fight against Tayuya

Her fights during The 4th Shinobi War

As for who I wish she had fought, I'm not sure. Maybe Sakura in a competitive sparring match during Part 2.

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Hey I have a question about SasuSaku. One thing I noticed is despite the whole fandom hating them, they have way more fanfiction or fanmade content than the ships other people claim should've been canon.

for example, in reddit, they'll say naruto and sakura or sakura and lee should be canon and it would be so much better than sasusaku. but sasusaku still has the most fanfiction?

the only ship that has more fanfiction is SasuNaru

So hold on what's your actual question here? Lol. Is it whether or not SS has the most fan fiction? Because if so I wouldn't know, because I don't indulge in fan fiction.

#sasusaku

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I don't want to be a asshole or anything, but I really struggle with the notion of a 'well-written female character' that people have been shoving down our throats in recent years. Nowadays, for a female character to be considered 'well-written,' she must either primarily fit the 'badass femme fatale' archetype - almost invulnerable with its derivatives - or be a 'masculine woman’.

 Oddly enough, these are also the two most popular types of women in fiction right now (lol).

As much as I understand why people want women to have more diverse roles and not be reduced to the 'dumb blonde,' the 'damsel in distress,' or the 'walking love interest' as before, I also think that what we have today does just as much of a disservice to female representation as years ago.

How is what we are doing today inherently different from before?

We have taken female characters out of the tropes that imprisoned them... to fundamentally lock them into other stereotypical tropes that we refuse to let them out of again. These types of characters are often praised as examples of quality female representation, but is that really the case?

I'm not saying they are bad, far from it. But that shouldn't be all there is, that's my complaint about it. And people should also stop passing this off as 'representation' when most of these characters are far too unrealistic to even come close. They are amazing, yes, they are icons to admire because they are truly impressive for the most part, but I challenge anyone to say they are relatable. And that's fine because they're not even supposed to be in the first place. 

Fiction should have these types of women because it's fiction, but it should also make room for other types of female characters. The diversity of roles for women is terribly limited, and honestly, I can't really say it's entirely the media's fault.

Is it really too much to ask for diversified female characters?

I would like to see more weak women because it is not necessary to be traditionally strong to be valid. I want to see crazy people, psychopaths, eccentrics, but also sweet, shy, calm characters. I would like to see more women make mistakes without needing a tragic past to justify them.

I would also like to see more realistic women. There are some, yes, but not many, and strangely these types of characters tend to be labeled as poorly written and then completely rewritten by their fandom to fit their idealized version of what a 'good female character' should be.

The most uncomfortably accurate examples I have in mind are Mabel Pines and Sakura Haruno; just look at the hate these two receive to realize that a majority of the public can't handle female characters whose behavior is more human than extraordinary.

The funny thing about this is that people don't even realize that with this kind of behavior, they are perpetuating stereotypes that ironically they are trying to break. Some realize it but prefer to absolve themselves by blaming the media/authors they accuse of poorly writing women, largely in order to justify the disgusting and relatively hypocritical behaviors they have towards certain female characters.

This is particularly evident in Sakura's case; the hatred people have for her is just pathological at this point, further exacerbated by mass effect. Many fans blame Kishimoto for « writing her poorly », which they believe is their main issue with her character. The fact is when you look at the situation as a whole, this excuse doesn't even hold up. The things she is condemned for cannot be solely attributed to her; some of the other most popular characters in this franchise exhibit the same characteristics and sometimes even worse than anything she has shown before, but for some reason, she is the only character in this series who is so vilified because of it. When it comes to others, most fans make excuses for them, except you can't judge a character for something they did while turning a blind eye or even worse, praise another for doing exactly the same thing; it's a blatant double standard and it's not objective at all.

Her character isn't perfect; she is horribly underused and since she occupies the position of tritagonist aka heroine, it stands out more than others who, although also sidelined, are only supporting characters. That's the main problem I've always had with Kishimoto's writing about her, but apart from that, I really can't find much bad to say about her character. Again, I'm not saying she's perfect; far from it, but that's what makes her interesting. Sakura's role was to bring a more human side to this series; that was her job. She was never supposed to be like her teammates; Sakura was meant to stay on a human scale because she was created for that. 

That's the beauty of her character. 

Changing that is changing her very essence, what makes her who she is, and that's what this fandom does; they rewrite her by using the excuse of 'poor writing' as a kind of defensive flag and eliminate from her character everything that makes her, well... her.

Mabel, (a character from the show Gravity Falls) is another case of a rather strange fandom. She is literally 13 years old and yet her character at the time (and even today) has sparked such waves of hatred that those who hadn't watched the show could believe she's the she-Devil incarnate when she... just acts her age. She is, however, an adorable child. She is eccentric, good-hearted, quite prone to blunders, but that's also what makes her endearing. However, the way some talk about her is just... revolting. 

To hear them, being a pre-adolescent in fiction and behaving as such is a crime. Like Sakura, she also suffers from a rewriting of her character - although it doesn't manifest in the same way - and from what I've noticed, sometimes it's not even done consciously.

Another thing I've noticed is that they are not the only type of characters to benefit from this treatment from fandoms. Even female characters meeting their 'writing standards' sometimes have these problems. Just look at Diana (Wonder Woman), and how some - many - of her fans have transformed her. She went from the epitome of feminism, meaning a woman treating everyone as equals regardless of their gender, believing in justice and doing her best to uphold it into a lame and arrogant fanon version of herself who hates men, thinks she's superior to them, believes girls are the best thing in the world and no man can surpass them - apparently their version of feminism.

People need to understand that just as we can't please everyone, not all characters can suit everyone's tastes, which is normal. They should focus more on what suits them and ignore what doesn't instead of trying to adapt characters that are not their cup of tea to their personal tastes.

 Really. 

This crap is why there are so many fanon versions of 'strong and feminist women,' not because their canon version is 'poorly written,' but because they are not written according to their tastes.

 On the rare occasions when we actually have unusual characters, different from what we're used to seeing, the fandom takes it upon itself to ruin that by transforming them, thus ruining their characterization.

God only knows how much I have my own issues with the current film industry - and some authors in general - but I acknowledge that they at least make the effort to try in certain aspects, whereas fans don't even try. They tend to blame everyone but themselves because they refuse to accept that they are also part of the problem. So yes, the media is certainly crappy in some ways, but the fandom with their obsession with wanting to "fix" every work or character that doesn't suit them, makes it even crappier. They standardize everyone.

I it's all well and good to reblog/like posts criticizing fandom spaces and their treatment of fictional characters, but maybe it would be wise to actually apply what you claim to agree with, and not selectively.

This is a subject I didn't really intend to address on Tumblr, but I couldn't help myself after coming across one of your requests where you were talking about the writing of female characters in Naruto. As someone who is currently writing a thesis on media-fandom dynamics, this syndrome of 'good/bad writing' is one of the points I address, which prompted me to express my opinion.

Anyway, I hope I'm not bothering you with my overly long essay; I tend to talk way too much when a subject is close to my heart.

I'll be honest - When I first saw the length of your ask, I was just like "holy shit", and my first thought was to just read it and give a generic "yeah I agree" answer at the end. However, this was a very good read and I pretty much agreed with most, if not all of what you said. So it ultimately made me want to give my thoughts on a few specific things you mentioned which resonated with me.

I don't want to be a asshole or anything, but I really struggle with the notion of a 'well-written female character' that people have been shoving down our throats in recent years. Nowadays, for a female character to be considered 'well-written,' she must either primarily fit the 'badass femme fatale' archetype - almost invulnerable with its derivatives - or be a 'masculine woman’.

Yep, I made a similar point during this post where I discussed a YouTube video about how Nobara (JJK) is apparently what Sakura (Naruto) was supposed to be, and I went into detail about how utterly flawed their reasoning was.

As much as I understand why people want women to have more diverse roles and not be reduced to the 'dumb blonde,' the 'damsel in distress,' or the 'walking love interest' as before, I also think that what we have today does just as much of a disservice to female representation as years ago. How is what we are doing today inherently different from before? We have taken female characters out of the tropes that imprisoned them... to fundamentally lock them into other stereotypical tropes that we refuse to let them out of again. These types of characters are often praised as examples of quality female representation, but is that really the case?

Yep, the feminist, boss babe archetype is dominating now. It's even seeped into the Marvel movies, which is a component of why they have tanked recently. It hasn't improved their character depth, and it often just seems as though the writers these days care more about racial diversity, LGBTQ representation, and their skewed idea of "female empowerment", rather than creating plots which are actually engaging and make sense.

I would like to see more weak women because it is not necessary to be traditionally strong to be valid. I want to see crazy people, psychopaths, eccentrics, but also sweet, shy, calm characters. I would like to see more women make mistakes without needing a tragic past to justify them. I would also like to see more realistic women. There are some, yes, but not many, and strangely these types of characters tend to be labeled as poorly written and then completely rewritten by their fandom to fit their idealized version of what a 'good female character' should be.

This part above resonated with me a lot.

The most uncomfortably accurate examples I have in mind are Mabel Pines and Sakura Haruno; just look at the hate these two receive to realize that a majority of the public can't handle female characters whose behavior is more human than extraordinary. The funny thing about this is that people don't even realize that with this kind of behavior, they are perpetuating stereotypes that ironically they are trying to break. Some realize it but prefer to absolve themselves by blaming the media/authors they accuse of poorly writing women, largely in order to justify the disgusting and relatively hypocritical behaviors they have towards certain female characters.

This is a very interesting point.

This is particularly evident in Sakura's case; the hatred people have for her is just pathological at this point, further exacerbated by mass effect. Many fans blame Kishimoto for « writing her poorly », which they believe is their main issue with her character. The fact is when you look at the situation as a whole, this excuse doesn't even hold up. The things she is condemned for cannot be solely attributed to her; some of the other most popular characters in this franchise exhibit the same characteristics and sometimes even worse than anything she has shown before, but for some reason, she is the only character in this series who is so vilified because of it. When it comes to others, most fans make excuses for them, except you can't judge a character for something they did while turning a blind eye or even worse, praise another for doing exactly the same thing; it's a blatant double standard and it's not objective at all.

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It's as I always say - Sakura and or/SasuSaku are the exceptions to everything.

That is the reason why I even created this meme for myself, because I found myself saying this so often in response to Sakura being the only one getting hated on for things other characters have exhibited.

Her character isn't perfect; she is horribly underused and since she occupies the position of tritagonist aka heroine, it stands out more than others who, although also sidelined, are only supporting characters. That's the main problem I've always had with Kishimoto's writing about her, but apart from that, I really can't find much bad to say about her character. Again, I'm not saying she's perfect; far from it, but that's what makes her interesting. Sakura's role was to bring a more human side to this series; that was her job. She was never supposed to be like her teammates; Sakura was meant to stay on a human scale because she was created for that.  That's the beauty of her character.

Changing that is changing her very essence, what makes her who she is, and that's what this fandom does; they rewrite her by using the excuse of 'poor writing' as a kind of defensive flag and eliminate from her character everything that makes her, well... her.

That reminds me of how often I see people describe themselves as Sakura fans, and then they proceed to criticise the fuck out of her (mainly due to her relationship with Sasuke and how it goes against all of their "boss babe" ideals of how apparently strong and independent women don't need no man!). And so I'm just like, how are you a Sakura fan then? If they had their way with Sakura's character, she would be unrecognisable to her canon self. They don't like Sakura, they like the idea of what they wanted her to be.

Mabel, (a character from the show Gravity Falls) is another case of a rather strange fandom. She is literally 13 years old and yet her character at the time (and even today) has sparked such waves of hatred that those who hadn't watched the show could believe she's the she-Devil incarnate when she... just acts her age. She is, however, an adorable child. She is eccentric, good-hearted, quite prone to blunders, but that's also what makes her endearing. However, the way some talk about her is just... revolting.

I don't watch Gravity Falls so I know nothing about the situation, but I can imagine what you're talking about.

Another thing I've noticed is that they are not the only type of characters to benefit from this treatment from fandoms. Even female characters meeting their 'writing standards' sometimes have these problems. Just look at Diana (Wonder Woman), and how some - many - of her fans have transformed her. She went from the epitome of feminism, meaning a woman treating everyone as equals regardless of their gender, believing in justice and doing her best to uphold it into a lame and arrogant fanon version of herself who hates men, thinks she's superior to them, believes girls are the best thing in the world and no man can surpass them - apparently their version of feminism.

Yep, that's essentially what recent feminism has devolved into, there's a lot of misandry involved in modern feminism, which is a shame because that doesn't align with its core principles.

This is a subject I didn't really intend to address on Tumblr, but I couldn't help myself after coming across one of your requests where you were talking about the writing of female characters in Naruto. As someone who is currently writing a thesis on media-fandom dynamics, this syndrome of 'good/bad writing' is one of the points I address, which prompted me to express my opinion. Anyway, I hope I'm not bothering you with my overly long essay; I tend to talk way too much when a subject is close to my heart.

The manner in which you articulated your opinions was very good, so I'm not surprised you're writing a thesis on this, I can tell how passionate you are about this topic. If you haven't done so already, you should consider starting your own blog or something similar as a hobby, I can tell you'd excel if the above is anything to go by 👍

#Sakura Haruno #Mabel Pines

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omg maddy you didn’t watched monster?? I think you would love

Believe me, I think so too, lol.

#Monster

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Maddy are you still in bnha fandom, If you do do you have any unpopular opinion and what take do you agree on bnha?

I'm (kinda) following the series, but I'm not really in the fandom. So I'm afraid I don't really know any prevailing opinions.

#Boku no Hero Academia #My Hero Academia

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Do you think Naruto is actually white? I know kishi once said something of the sort but i always understood it as him saying if naruto american live action exists, then yeah a white boy could play him. Not that he's actually white? I've seen people bring out that interview as receipt. But i find it so hard to believe that someone whose name naruto uzumaki, parents minato and kushina, background and story filled with japanese folklore/mythology is caucasian. It's just so laughable to me

To be honest I don't remember Kishi saying something like that, maybe I just missed it. In any case, Naruto is not Caucasian, for the reasons you stated among other things. If it was a show like Attack on Titan for example, where a lot of it was clearly inspired by Europe and Germany in particular, and where you have character names like Erwin Smith, Connie Springer, Annie Leonhart and Jean Kirstein, then I could understand if people were to say that they were Caucasian. But certainly not a show like Naruto.

#Naruto Uzumaki #Attack on Titan

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Annon-Guy: I bet you were surprised when Tatsumi and Mine got intimate and had a kid at the end, huh? Granted, Mine did so to make Tatsumi forget Esdeath, but he still went with it though, nor did he deny her advances 😏.

Not even other Tsundere couples make the bases (aside from Taiga as Toradora Portable shows her pregnant in the True Taiga Ending, plus due to how Flame Hazes are, Shana couldn't "make a baby" even if she wanted too.). Although in the novels, Saito and Louise had their Wedding Night, but no signs of pregnancy.

......Well, you get what I mean 😮‍💨.

One thing that I don't really remember, is if it was clarified whether or not Tatsumi and Mine conceived their child after Tatsumi was turned into a dragon? Because if so, then how did that work? Lol.

#Tatsumi #Mine #Akame Ga Kill

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“My student’s watching, so I’m going to show off a little.”

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Annon-Guy: Akame ga Kill!

And this ask is about what you thoughts about the Jeagers (Esdeath, Wave, Kurome, Run, Bols, Seryu Ubiquitous and Dr. Stylish) are?

P.S. Like Tatsumi, Mine and Chelsea, most of the Jeagers are divided among the fanbase. Mostly with Esdeath (Too predictable and overpowered and questioning if she can be redeamed), Kurome (Was considered boring at first, than hated for how she defied Chelsea's corpse and questioned if she should be redeamed), Bols (despite being a good father/husband is called out for killing innocents despite being aware of his crimes like Night Raid), and ESPECIALLY Seryu (despite having good intentions and redeeming qualities like caring for her comrades and being fond of children, is hated for killing Shelle and having a demented case of Black and White Insanity).

Weird note to end this ask on, but do you think in an alternate turn of events that Kurome, Bols and even Seryu could have become allies to Night Raid? I do know that Wave and Kurome end up as this, but I'm curious.

Esdeath - My favourite character in the series, 'nuff said.

Wave - He was cool, I mildly preferred him to Tatsumi, and I also preferred the standard look of his Grand Chariot Teigu in comparison to Tatsumi's Incursio.

Kurome - I had a similar opinion of her that I did of Akame, and I guess that's not a surprise considering they're sisters.

Run - Not much of an opinion on him, but I did quite like his Teigu.

Bols - Seemed like a nice guy, and I really liked his family. It's a shame he got caught up in the profession that he did.

Seryu Ubiquitous - Here's a controversial opinion, I loved her character, because she just added so much spice to the series.

Dr. Stylish - Not much of an opinion on him either.

It is exceedingly common for fans to hate a character who kills a fan favourite, regardless of their reasons or however justified their actions may have been. I'm different - Whether or not a character is "good" or "evil" means less than nothing to me when determining how much I like them. Even when they kill another character that I like, my opinion of them won't lessen because of this. The only thing that matters to me when judging how much I like a character, is how well they retain my attention, that's it.

A prime example of this is Seryu - As you highlighted, she was largely hated in the fanbase for killing Sheele and having a demented case of black and white Insanity. However, despite the fact that I loved Sheele and was gutted at her death, it was precisely Seryu's demented case of black and white insanity that made me love her so much, not as a person, but as a character, because you don't have to be a good person in order to be a good character, and I found her character to be absolutely fascinating. I loved the contrast of how caring she was towards her teammates, and how unhinged she could be when carrying out her brand of justice.

To answer your last question, yes I do, but many things are possible in an alternate turn of events, so that may not be saying much.

#Akame ga Kill

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So yeah people where trying claim that tobirama made up the curse of hatred and that Sarada mangekyou awakening proved tobirama

Wrong only for Naruto official website to release this on sarada birthday

Confirmed she unlocked her sharingan out of despair

The despair she felt due boruto sutation where he was about to be killed

Similar to the way obito unlocked his when Rin died the only difference is that boruto was about was about to killed instead a actually being killed

And she didn't react to this despair like the other uchihas did because Naruto and sasuke ended the curse of hatred but the. Fanbase still doesn't understand this apparently

That is only difference because the curse of hatred no longer exist sarada didn't change when she almost boruto

The sharingan

She outright unlocked her sharingan form the despair proving what tobirama said about sharingan correct

It was always the people who are claiming that was sasuke was never in the darkness trying to say tobirama made the curse of hatred up he didn't

Why were they saying that Sarada awakening her Mangekyou Sharingan proved Tobirama wrong? Because they thought it meant that she awakened it out of something other than loss or despair? The thing is, firstly, Tobirama was referring to the regular Sharingan, not the Mangekyou, so there's not even a comparison there in the first place. Secondly, Sarada wouldn't have even been the first person to unlock the Sharingan from a non-negative emotion, because Obito first unlocked his regular Sharingan from a desire to protect Rin, not from any loss or despair. It was the despair he (and Kakashi) felt from losing Rin which led to them unlocking the Mangekyou, but he unlocked his regular Sharginan through different emotions.

During Sasuke's talk with the first 4 Hokages, Tobirama made it clear that there were several examples of Uchihas in the past who's Will of Fire was greater than their hatred, including Kagami and Itachi, so he had already established that the Curse didn't apply to every Uchiha. Therefore, just because an Uchiha may unlock the regular (or even the Mangekyou) Sharingan through an emotion other than loss or despair, this wouldn't serve as evidence that the Curse didn't exist.

#Sarada Uchiha #Tobirama Senju

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What do you feel when people say that Sakura was always mean to Naruto when she was a child and never apologized to him for her actions?

What actions? If they're referring to their academy days, then Sakura never went out of her way to be mean to Naruto. She along with most of the other residents wanted nothing to do with him, and they only ever interacted with him when he gave them a reason to.

#Sakura Haruno #Naruto Uzumaki