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an-incoherent-mess · 2 years
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There is something so deeply frustrating about watching people on the internet try to cancel good complex media alongside actual bigoted trash, because they lack the ability critically think and understand satire .
They criticize a piece of media for not explicitly saying something is good or bad. Even though anybody with morals can tell what the author intended you to take away. It's just like any amount of morally dubiousness and people lose their mind.
(just me ranting in the tags pls ignore)
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ourladyofmaplemurder · 7 months
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Riverdale is Bad and I’m So Smart
So, I was going to make a response video to Friendly Space Ninja's video on the finale...but honestly, there are just other things I'd rather do with my time...
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I did, however, write a script for the video. You can read that here if you wish.
The short version is that people who talk about art the way he does are fucking idiots and I'm tired of being nice about it. If you don't know what you're talking about, either figure it out or shut the fuck up. **And let me clarify: There is a big difference from expressing a personal opinion to friends and standing on authority with a huge platform to provide "critique". Huge difference. Not understanding or not liking the finale is totally valid, (It wasn't necessarily what I would have done with the final season) but what makes me angry about this guy in particular is that he positions himself as an authority on media criticism and analysis. He then provides the shittiest fucking examples of both. I can't stand it.
Hi. So. Our dear friend Friendly Space Ninja put out another video about Riverdale. This time, he took it upon himself to discuss the finale. Anything for a click, right, buddy?
Well, he made all sorts of claims about the finale and the final season. He gave his thoughts on the show as a whole. And all of it, dear viewer is entirely worthless. Strong statement, I know, but hear me out.
He didn’t watch the latter half of season 5, nor season 6 at all. He didn’t even watch all of season 7. He watched the first few episodes with specific expectations and when those were not met, he skipped to the end only to be baffled by its conclusion, claiming that it was all meaningless and even going as far as to “explain” quote unquote that Angel Tabitha’s rework of the timelines erases the other shows that Roberto Agurrie Sacasa has made. This, by the way, demonstrates such a lack of understanding of the surface level plot, that I can’t even respond to it.
For these reasons, I will not be refuting his assertions as I did in my last video response to him. It’s simply not worth it. His video is so deeply stupid that picking it apart would be giving it more credit than it deserves.
I was very diplomatic in my last response video, but I really don’t wish to be this time. I really don’t think it’s worth it.
However, I would like to say a few things, just to give you a sense of why I am so fucking angry.
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Firstly, I’d like to talk about the work of Barnett Newman. In particular, I’d like to talk about Who’s Afraid of Red, Yellow and Blue III. The first time I saw this painting, or even just paintings like it, I scoffed and said, “Why is something like this in a museum? It’s stupid. It’s just red, yellow, and blue. Is this even art?” Years later, however, I learned an interesting story about this painting.
In 1986 the painting was vandalized in an anti-Semitic attack. Daniel Goldreyer attempted to restore the painting in 1991. Should be easy, right? I mean, it’s just three colors.
However, the effort proved utterly unsuccessful as the depth of the color was incredibly difficult to replicate. The skill required to create this painting was far more than the untrained eye could perceive.
The first time I saw this painting, I did not understand it and condemned it as stupid because I was an arrogant prick.
And I’m sure hundreds of thousands of people who also don’t understand painting would agree with such a dismissive sentiment.
But just because I have millions of people agreeing with me doesn’t mean I know anything. It just means a lot of people don’t understand painting. That’s it.
Friendly Space Ninja’s video on Riverdale is the equivalent of someone looking at this painting and calling it stupid without understanding anything about abstract expressionism, painting techniques, and the works of Neoplasticism that this series was responding to.
It is watching Sunset Boulevard and complaining there is no color.  
It is the equivalent of an incel giving you dating advice.
But let me address Mr. Space Ninja directly and I won’t use any metaphors because I want this to be understood.
More than making a stupid response to Riverdale, your crime, Mr. Space Ninja, is arrogance. You look at a piece of art, you are utterly baffled by it, as you yourself say in the video, and you assume that the art must be the stupid one. It couldn’t be that it’s going over your head. No. It must be meaningless because you can’t grasp its meaning.
This is very troubling and also quite sad.
Though, I suspect you have no interest in providing useful insight into the works you discuss. It’s far more lucrative to provide inflammatory confirmation bias and, at the end of the day, that’s all you’re really doing. And to be clear, that is an insult. Wouldn’t want you to miss that. <3
Now, I also watched Alex Meyer’s video on the finale as well out of curiosity, as he also has a large platform. I haven’t watched his other videos because they seemed overtly negative about the show and I figured they wouldn’t be even remotely enjoyable. Curiosity won out though and honestly, though the sacred cow he is mocking is mine and thus, I disagree…I can’t fault him for this. There was a lot of care and thought that went into this. Even if he thinks the show is silly (and it certainly is) there’s a clear affection for it.
Not only that, but towards the end of the video he says this: “Time will be kind to your show. And all the chucklefucks like me with our kneejerk reactions? That's all going to fade away."
He also acknowledges the fact that there might be more to it than just the silliness. He doesn’t talk about it because he prefers to joke about the show rather than analyze it. He’s a jester, not a scholar. I could never fault him for that.
But I also don’t think anyone in their right mind would consider this critique. This is a comedy bit. And I’m not saying that comedy is less important or valuable than analysis. Not at all. It’s just different.
Anyway. Friendly Space Ninja. Fuck you.
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heystephen · 5 months
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how do you handle long-time mutuals expressing opinions you disagree with on what’s going on between hamas and the israelian government? i want a ceasefire and i want palestinians to be free, but i noticed some of my mutuals have outright said they don’t care about the palestinian people and it’s anti-semitic to support them instead of israel…but i also support jewish people of course so i don’t understand how it’s anti-semitic to want a ceasefire and to want the violence to stop. it’s just so confusing reading posts from mutuals i’ve cared about and respected for so long, and i’m not sure if i should just unfollow them at this point
you also don’t have to answer this if you don’t feel comfortable
at this point i just unfollow or softblock people, no tolerance for people who do not stand with palestine. don’t let anyone wrongly convince you that being anti Zionist makes you antisemitic
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alfalcone · 17 days
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I have anxiety around increasing amounts of racism in American society, specifically online, and how that affects policies in the U.S.  There are an increasing amount of viral stories displaying images of blk criminality, which I think result in an increasing hostility of yt Americans towards other groups.
This along with increasing yt anxiety surrounding immigration, and their lowering birth rates are causing a sort of conservative backlash to a lot of policies, including those considered settled such as abortion and IVF. 
This backlash can also be seen with yt conservatives in some online spaces such as twitter, where they make post after post attacking ww who date blk men, or the looks of many blk/biracial female celebrities. IMO this mostly seems to be done to promote anti miscegenation, and to assuage yt anxiety around their birth rates and immigration.  
TBH I am writing this mostly to express these feelings I have, but I was also wondering what your opinions were around this as well.  Do you think this is just an online phenomenon that is being magnified due to the digital age we live in, am I just too online, or is this something that people should be worried about?
hi! <3 first, i do highly encourage you to delete your twitter. as i've said many times on here, twitter is a twisted mirror of reality where only the most vocal minority of malcontents are outrageous enough to earn attention from the algorithm. it's a self-fulfilling prophecy of ugliness, and only a an infinitesimally tiny slice of the populace access that hellscape daily. it's irrelevant.
however, i do know there is also a conservative and white supremacist backlash. men, overall, are becoming more conservative, as many surveys and studies have recently shown, and white people are following that same trend. obviously men are becoming more conservative as a backlash to the renewed presence of feminism in mainstream discourse, and white people are doing the same as a reaction to increased pushes for diversity. it's part of the normal push-pull cycle of history, it comes in waves, and it won't last forever. i do think many whites currently in america and europe are extremely anxious about immigration and becoming a minority (demographically). however, we're already seeing the push to recognize many types of latinos as white, which is the same thing that happened with italian and irish and greek and iranian immigrants. white supremacy always finds a way to maintain control over these things, often by broadening the tent of who gets to be white (i.e. anyone who isn't black, basically.)
i do think the extreme vitriol against black and black biracial women is part of an anti-miscegenation scare, as an effort to bolster the position of white women as the pinnacle of desirability (because a perverse part of white supremacy culture is manufacturing discontent in non-white men with their own women; we've seen how effective that had been with dumbass black dudes).
i will say that, for all the screaming and gnashing online about black and black biracial women, white dudes will not leave me alone. black men are definitely less interested in me (which is honestly a relief, but it is also really an extreme and interesting shift), but white men are eager to have my attention. and almost every black woman i know (in my professional circle) is married to a white man, so i do think there are many, many interracial couples, and an interest in interracial dating. that scares the shit out of black men and white racists. remember, the last time black women "stepped out" too often was in the 60s/70s with jewish men in civil rights and academic circles, and the reaction was extreme anti semitism from black men that has quite frankly poisoned our community.
so, yeah, this is just another wave, but it sucks to live through.
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majaloveschris · 5 months
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I understand why it's hard for people to confine him and his work/character, especially if you are disappointed in him. It's still hard for me too, but he was really good in PH.//
But by supporting his work you're lining his pockets and hers therefore supporting racism and anti semitism. I flatly refuse to watch anything he is in, he married a scumbag therefore he is one.
I know you won't post this because you support him and everything he stands for...it's vulgar
I think "supporting" means two different things for us.
Watching that movie once was not "supporting" to me. I said it/he was good, and that's it. Do you see me posting gifs, screenshots, or promoting the movie, him in any other way? I don't think so. That would be "supporting".
I expressed several times how I don't agree with everything Alba and her friends stand for, and I also explained that I don't agree with his personal life choices.
There were other people in that movie I liked, so even if Chris wasn't in it, I would've watched it. I'm pretty sure there are other people who watched it for Emily and other people.
There are people who will watch his movies, and there are a lot of people who watch his older ones. There are a lot of people who are making TikTok edits and posting pictures and gifs; they are supporting him. I just watched a movie—not even several—one time.
If you think I support this whole thing, then you clearly don't know me or have read my post; therefore, you can't write down a proper opinion.
Me thinking this is somewhere fake may cause me to believe he isn't like them, but this doesn't mean I agree with the whole thing, which, again, you would know if you've read my posts, and you could also see that I spend less time here since the "wedding."
I think you should say this to those who clearly don't care about their behavior and have never even said anything. A lot of people try to separate him from his roles because they like Steve or Ransom, and they want to watch those movies because they aren't him. Steve and all of his characters aren't Chris.
Posting about him, about his interviews, or about something that personally connects to him could be called supporting, but watching your favorite Marvel movie or PH is not. At least I don't think so.
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militantinremission · 4 months
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Should Black America choose sides on Israel & Palestine?
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Mainstream Media has been particularly single minded in its narrative of the (latest) 'Conflict' in Gaza. Palestinian hardship is mentioned, but the focus has been on the Israeli hostages and an International rise in Anti Semitism. For some reason Zionist Groups, and more than a few Zionist individuals have been trying to persuade (guilt) Black America into fighting for their Cause. We understand how Black support for a Cause gives it legitimacy, but should We? The Voices of New Black Media have 2 general opinions, but neither is Pro- Israel.
One Opinion in New Black Media says that We should have some degree of solidarity w/ the Palestinian People. We can identify w/ their struggle, so We should speak out against it. Some opinions offer more support than others, but this is the gist of that Side of the Argument. The other Opinion expressed, is more indifferent. This Opinion says that Black America has problems at Home that require Our attention. We have In House Cleaning to do that will take Time and Energy; fighting for another's Cause diminishes Our ability to 'Do for Self'.
Black 'Personalities' in Mainstream Media are trying to create a schism w/i New Black Media, but it honestly isn't that deep. Black America is not a Monolith, so No One is going after the Other. I don't see a problem w/ 'The Family' having 2 specific mindsets. One is introverted and the Other is extroverted; together they give The Family a panoramic view- from Our perspective. Both Sides identify Jim Crow style Racism on display in Israel, so it's hard to empathize w/ a State that condones that policy. Israeli Officials go On Camera, and nonchalantly excuse War Crimes as necessary for the destruction of Hamas. Black America can't 'Rock w/ That'.
Black America's reluctance to support Israel's actions in Gaza has gotten under the skin of a few Zionists. The Usual Suspects (Ben Shapiro, Ed Blum, Ari Emanuel, Rabbi Schmuley) took their shots, but Michael Rappaport & Juliana Margulies' comments stand out. Both actually believe that Blackfolk OWE Jewishfolk something! They both offered the (early 20th Century) argument of: 'You wouldn't do it to Blackfolk, so why are you doing it to (European) Jews?' Rappaport threatened to make a List, for the 'next time' We come Hat in Hand... Michael Rappaport's family owned the #2 Black Music Radio Station in NYC (WKTU 92.3FM) during his childhood. He also brags about playing basketball in Brownsville, Bklyn as a Teen. I guess he thinks that his friendship w/ Q- Tip, his marriage to a Black Woman, and fathering her babies makes him some kind of 'Negro Whisperer'(?)
Since the Issue of Anti- Semitism & Black America rose (again) around Ye and Kyrie Irving, We have been backtracking Our relationship w/ Eastern European Jews. Professor Black Truth has mentioned on a few occasions that NAACP President Walter White is DIRECTLY responsible for convincing Afrikan Nations to support recognition of Israel in The United Nations. Later, Ralph Bunch was instrumental in Israel's survival after Al Nakba; he won the Nobel Peace Prize for his effort. When We examine the investments of Jewish American Businessmen (Legal & Illegal) in the State Of Israel; focusing on the role that Black labor, culture, and entertainment played in amassing this 'investment capital'- what exactly do We owe them?
Michael Rappaport threatened to compile a List, but Black America is already at work on Ours. It's very interesting to see so many Global Leaders and Corporate Giants concerned about Israel's 'National Security'. The World's outrage over the carnage in Gaza has revealed a soft spot in this Cabal of Governments, Multinationals, & Media. Governmental and Corporate Entities tried to threaten The Masses into compliance, but it appears that the Protesters are more emboldened. Universities that initially threatened Student Protesters are now inundated w/ them. It's South Afrika all over again! The Same Entities running interference for Israel, did the same thing in South Afrika. It took sustained Global pressure to get Corporations to divest in South Afrika, which broke the System of Apartheid.
America calls Israel an Ally, but Israel has attacked and killed American Soldiers dating back to the U.S.S. Liberty. The State Of Israel has identified Black American Men as a threat to their National Security. Why would any Zionist expect Our Support? Israeli History- up to the present, is an account of unprovoked First Strikes against a weaker adversary. They are Masters of 'throwing rocks, & hiding their hands'. Israeli Officials and their Mainstream Media collaborators are quick to start the narrative on Oct. 7th 2023; but Zionist aggression against Palestinians go back to The Stern Gang & other Jewish Mobsters during the 1930s. In fact, Palestinians have been dealing w/ Zionism since Nathan Birbaum's 'pilgramages' began in the 1890s... Norm Finkelstein has been giving lessons about the History of Zionism on various platforms, and people like Rabbi Yaakov Shapiro (no relation) confirm him.
Palestinian support is easy to understand- the daily pictures of Gaza speak volumes. While We can feel for the people, We can also understand the view of those who feel indifferent. Palestinians are similar to 19th Century Irish. In Ireland, the Irish people claimed to be in solidarity w/ Indigenous (Black) Americans. In America, they were active participants in Our oppression. The Ku Klux Klan is an Irish creation. In a similar manner, Palestinians come to America, and also participate in the oppression of Indigenous Black Americans. They set up businesses in Black Communities that rarely hire locally. In the case of Bodegas and Smoke Shops, they allow Street Crews (Sets) to:
Congregate on their Premises
Make Marijuana Sales inside & outside of their Premises
Set up prostitution in Shop Basements
In this regard, 'these' Palestinians are no different from the (so called) Arabs who STILL enslave Afrikans across N. Afrika, and call Black Americans 'Abeed' (Slave). These Store Owners have more solidarity w/ Drug Dealers, than everyday Blackfolk. They tend to look at Us w/ the same expression that Israelis give them. It's ironic how Arab Americans tend to live in close proximity to Jewish American Communities. Despite the friction, Arabs & Eastern European Jews share more similarities than differences.
Both are descendants of Eurasian 'Marauder' Tribes. The Khazarians migrated West, into Europe; The Seljukian Turks migrated South, into Arabia. If we're being honest, 'Modern Day Arabs' are not indigenous to Arabia. The True Arabs are now referred to as 'Bedouins' and 'Nomads', and have been systematically removed from most of their Land, via The Arabian Slave Trade... Black America needs to get better acquainted w/ Geopolitics. We're quick to denounce injustice, but not so quick to read between The Lines. America is NOT a Democracy, it IS a White Supremacist Republic. The 'Smith- Mundt Modernization Act of 2012' ensures that EVERY IMMIGRANT understands and complies w/ the Anti Black element of American Society. We can show solidarity w/ Others, but We have to be mindful that We don't have ANY (Collective) 'friends'. We tried to be 'friendly' for decades, & were disrespected by EVERYONE. We don't have any more cheeks to turn.
-The Ball is now in their Court.
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kais222 · 3 months
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The issue of freedom in general, the issue of freedom of opinion and expression, natural human rights, the right to life and healthy physical, mental and spritual growth for all human beings, the rights of children, women and the sick... they all start from Palestine, from Gaza, where all these rights are violated by the Zionist occupation and are also violated in all societies under the pretext of anti-Semitism. . I stand with Gaza and all of Palestine in defense of the cause of freedoms and all human rights and everywhere.
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tower-of-hana · 1 month
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Lazy Headline Satire Dump
Osama Bin Laden was simply expressing his building-critical beliefs opinion
School board found dead after finding out what numbers are called
I read JK Rowling's new book I hate trans people, here's why it isn't transphobic opinion
Heartwarming: Innsmouth man breeds with evil fish people so his kids can afford kidney transplants
Palestinians caught anti-semitically breathing
Iran-backed Russia backs Hamas-controlled college protest
Palestinian child was caused to be killed by Israel
Ohio shooter to be tried as a Muslim
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Listen man I just want the king to give me a piece of Africa to settle opinion
Obama hired as Tumblr moderator
Archeologists discover ancient op-ed complaining that kids are speaking Etruscan wrong
Trans woman killed for no reason at all
Man Putin doesn't like found alive
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mariacallous · 5 months
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On the evening of October 29, hundreds of Dagestan residents broke into the airport in the region’s capital city, Makhachkala. Over the several hours that followed, rioters effectively took over the airport, broke through to the tarmac, and made their way to a plane from Tel Aviv, which they tried to storm in search of Israeli citizens. (Fortunately, they failed to get into the aircraft.) The airport attack was the latest in a larger series of anti-Semitic incidents that have taken place in Russia’s North Caucasus region in recent weeks. The Russian Investigative Committee has launched a criminal investigation into the riot. Local officials, meanwhile, have blamed the wave of anti-Semitic crimes on “enemies” influencing Russia from the outside. The Kremlin announced Monday that Vladimir Putin will hold a “major meeting” with top officials to discuss the situation. For insight into how local residents view the situation, Meduza spoke to an independent journalist from Dagestan.
Please note: Meduza is publishing this interview to shed light on how the recent anti-Semitic incidents in Dagestan are viewed by the republic’s residents. We understand that the opinions expressed in this article might upset many readers, and we want to remind you that we regularly publish interviews with people whose perspectives do not align with our own (or with those of our readers).
Nobody expected things to develop this way — for several thousand people to go to an airport to catch Jews. Although people in Dagestan, like people throughout the North Caucasus region, have been deeply impacted by the events happening in Gaza.
Dagestan residents see new videos of bombings and shelling attacks on the Gaza Strip, as well as the corpses of women and children, practically every day. They see stories about entire families of innocent people dying while nobody from the world’s leading powers interferes in the situation or does anything to stop the violence. That’s where the increase in hatred towards Israel, whose army is methodically and “humanely” destroying women, children, hospitals, mosques, and churches with white phosphorus munitions, is coming from. To say nothing of the destruction of ordinary Palestinians’ homes.
[Despite all this], there were certainly provocateurs [on October 29] as well. But the provocations found fertile ground… Things have been tense in [Dagestani] society for a while now. And even aside from international politics, the region is in a state of stress and outrage. For internal reasons. Primarily because of poor living conditions.
It’s young Dagestanis who take part in these kinds of protests: ordinary, concerned residents of the republic who misjudged the situation and may have mistakenly believed that banning Jews from entering the republic would change something. As far as [former Russian State Duma deputy] Ilya Ponomarev is concerned, I highly doubt they know anything about him. Maybe somebody heard something, but I don’t think they attached any great significance to him. At the end of the day, it’s not important who owned the channel that provoked people into going out [to the airport].
What happened [on October 29] came as a surprise to the authorities. [But] they stepped in and [are now] in full control of the situation. [The participants in the anti-Semitic riot] can expect criminal charges, court, and punishment.
I wouldn’t expect [the situation to escalate further or to see more anti-Jewish riots]. Dagestani Jews are our compatriots, they’re Dagestanis. And in areas where they constitute a high proportion of the population, mainly in Derbent, their Muslim neighbors would not let anybody harm them. Most of Dagestani society understands that Israel has fascist leaders who have nothing to do with ordinary Jews. Passions will settle down sooner or later. The situation in Gaza will force world leaders to make a choice: continue the genocide and provoke uncontrollable aggression from the Islamic world, or put an end to it.
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female-malice · 3 months
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Curious about your opinion on if Israel's actions throughout its history with Palestine and its current trajectory are a net positive for Jewish people? I'm concerned about rising anti-semitism and especially growing holocaust denial– but am also extremely disturbed by the Israeli's ethno-nationalist and genocidal rhetoric, like dehumanization of Palestinians, from both the Israeli state and regular Israelis. Ex, the Israeli real estate company posting about new beach houses in Gaza. I feel my generation (early z late millenial) does not support Israel, and this is related to the decreasing sympathy for Jews' grievances because Israel (and many Jews) conflate Israel and Judaism in every way.
I'm wondering about the long-term utility of that conflation for Jewish people in general. Everything about justice for Palestinians aside for a moment. I worry that Israel's actions are inciting hatred against Jews–Jewish people who might not support Israel, who might be anti-Zionist– and that this is leading towards increased hatred for Jews everywhere, only entrenching Israel as the only safe haven and entrenching the anti-semitic rhetoric that Jewish people "don't belong here" if there is a Jewish state.
What are Jewish people's opinions on Israel as it loses international support, and the consequences for Jewish people who are non-Israeli and non-Zionist? I respect your opinion on gender politics and have valued your perspectives on the Israel-Hamas conflict so far. I apologize if any of this is offensive - genuinely trying to understand Israel from the Jewish and Zionist perspectives and see if this train of thought holds any water.
I'm not Jewish.
Women are not responsible for male expressions of misogyny. Gays are not responsible for the homophobia exhibited by straight people. Jews, regardless of their political beliefs, are not responsible for the antisemitism gentiles carry with them. Not one Jew in history has ever created antisemitism in one gentile. The antisemitism is already there to begin with. Gentiles just look for socially acceptable ways to express it.
So where does all this antisemitism come from and why does each generation revive it? Antisemitism is baked into the foundation of Christian cultures and Muslim cultures. There can be no Christianity or Islam without supersession. And that supersession is incomplete as long as the Jewish tribe remains connected to their history and culture.
But Gen Z isn't very religious. So how is all this supersession stuff relevant? Well, it really doesn't matter if you identify as religious or not. Culture is culture. If you're secular with cultural ties to Christianity or Islam, you know less about supersession than a religious person. So you are more likely to pass along antisemitism without even realizing it.
Supersession isn't taught in schools unless you're taking advanced religious studies courses. I took a global religion course in college and it didn't teach us anything about Abrahamic supersession. It presented the three Abrahamic religions as the "people of the book." But it didn't go into detail about how exactly all three of them could possibly be of the same book. Now I know that's a glaring omission. But back then, I didn't realize what was missing from the course.
Religious people might be more aware of the history of supersession. Some people learn that supersession is a foundation of their religion and want to continue the project. For them, antisemitism is logical. But other people learn that supersession is a foundation of their religion and want to close that chapter in history. They want to cultivate a new relationship with the Jewish people based on recognition, respect, and reconciliation. This path raises a lot of difficult questions about Christian and Muslim identity. But some religious people are interested in taking on those difficult questions. This is why some studious Christians and Muslims are better Jewish allies than secular Western college students.
I'm one of those secular Westerners born in a Christian culture with Christian grandparents. But the supersession project is part of my family history. My surname is a string of letters invented by a Jewish family while migrating 200 years ago. When they arrived at their Western European destination, they changed their surname to sound less Jewish. And then they converted to Christianity.
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jewishbarbies · 5 months
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Hey so I'm the anon from earlier with the long essay about the closeting thing and sorry I came across very angry but it wasnt directed at you as much as everyone in general who say queer celebs have a jollie good time in hollywood being queer and don't need beards because all's well in utopia and that frustrates me and I directed it at you which I shouldn't have
But I still stand by the general opinions I said and honestly, if you ask me about taylor, I am queer and when I hear her lyrics, I feel quite strongly that certain songs couldn't have been written unless she has experienced some deep longing for a woman. But what a lot of ppl seem to think is that just because she might be queer means she is a good person and that simply is not true. I mean look at Ellen DeGeneres. She is very gay and she is also an asshole. Taylor Swift, in my view, is very much an Ellen kinda queer
And her being queer doesn't erase her racism, her anti-Semitism, her white feminism none of it. I just think we can criticise her without saying she "queerbaits" because sexuality is not something that exists in a box like a costume that people can just try on. Sexuality is not a political thing, it's human nature. If you ask me, none of us are probably totally straight and I understand that there's a lot of heteronormative societal structures that prevent people from understanding this but when it comes down to biology, it's really as simple as that. That's why i do loathe the accusations being leveled these days at real people for queerbaiting because that's not the definition of queerbaiting nor has it ever been.
And I think if she chooses to be closeted, she is going to behave like a closeted, publicly straight artist like many others do. I also don't think she chooses to hide because she is afraid of discrimination but I think it's cos she is so attached to her fame and the attention she gets from dating men, she wouldn't sacrifice it by revealing certain truths about herself. She is too narcissistic for that imo
There's no shortage of problematic things taylor has done without needing to bring up the sexuality aspect that's all
Sorry this got long, I've had this on my mind for a while now
that very well could be true about her, but as long as she identifies as straight I’m going to also identify her as straight and I feel like it’s leaning into problematic territory not to. she could’ve felt something for a woman at some time in her life but still identifies as straight. I don’t think we’ll ever know and frankly it’s none of our business. all you should know is what she tells you, and she’s straight up told us that she’s straight in interviews. so no matter what she writes about, I’m not saying OR speculating that she could be anything else. I think that’s the biggest issue with saying not to speculate is that most people still speculate anyway to some degree, and it just needs to stop. you’re more than welcome to hear her music however you hear it and have the opinions you have. but as far as taylor specifically is concerned, she identifies as straight.
the way I view the queerbaiting situation with taylor specifically, is there’s taylor the person and Taylor™️ the brand. Taylor™️ the brand makes money. she can be whatever she wants in her personal life. the problem is when Taylor™️ the brand is putting out a song about herself with one or two throwaway lines that are either just ambiguous or are intentionally placed to make the song seem ambiguous and claims it’s a queer anthem, during pride month, and then never again is just straight up rainbow capitalism at best. but the songs she releases and only claims later they’re from the pov of a man when questioned if it’s about her expressing queer feelings because The Brand, that’s queerbaity to me. she seems fine letting fans praise her and hail her as a queer icon when it benefits her until it stands to affect her perception to her conservative fanbase, and then she tells the truth that’s it’s from the pov of a man. does this make sense? like things like that feel deliberate. there’s a couple she hasn’t spoken on to my knowledge, but for those specific two instances, it feels like rainbow capitalism and queerbaiting as Taylor™️ the brand that makes money off of people like gaylors who obsessed over her sexuality and “hints” she may be queer.
I can’t speak to other situations with other celebs, this is just my perspective on taylor specifically, and it’s totally okay if you disagree.
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There’s an extremely pervasive idea that bigotry is the territory of the working class, that the unwashed masses are to blame for overt expressions of racism, antisemitism, misogyny, etc. These are “low class” opinions. This is sometimes given a progressive patina by isolating it to the white working class, or even white working class men. But I think those identity qualifiers, far from attempting to add an intersectional analysis to reactionary thought, are primarily there to act as shields for the person wielding the critique - that while they acknowledge that “at least some” working class people are racial or sexual or ethnic minorities, and they certainly cannot be blamed for the discrimination they face from their peers (or even more outlandish, that minorities cannot themselves hold bigoted beliefs), the origin of bigotry still resides within the working class - to which, of course, they certainly do not belong, and are therefore not bigoted themselves.
I bring this up because Adorno identifies a specific flavour of antisemitism that is primarily used by the middle class, and it’s an expression of antisemitism I see extremely often in far right circles:
To the anti-Semitic members of the middle class, the imagery of the Jew seems to have a somewhat different structure. The middle class themselves experience to a certain degree the same threats to the economic basis of their existence which [they perceive to] hang over the heads of the Jews. They are themselves on the defensive and struggle desperately for the maintenance of their status. Hence, they accentuate just the opposite of what workingmen are likely to complain about, namely, that the Jews are not real bourgeois, that they do not really “belong.” […] To the middle-class anti-Semite, the Jew is likely to be regarded as the misfit bourgeois, as it were, he who did not succeed in living up to the standards of today’s American civilization and who is a kind of obsolete and uncomfortable remnant of the past. (emphasis mine)
The general antisemitic conspiracy that Jewish people secretly control the world is not uniquely middle class, but the particular expression of it in places like Qanon definitely are - that the “bad” misfit bourgeois are preventing the real, manly, American bourgeois from controlling society and the state.
Which is part of why you should always be suspicious of people claiming that poor people are the reason bigotry still exists, that this kind of unacceptable view of the world is relegated to the working class (among the many, many other problems with that claim). And I think you should especially be critical of any coverage of Qanon/alt-right movements that focus on these movements’ ability to “tap into” the economic concerns of poor people. To be sure, the working class has ample capacity for a wide range of bigoted beliefs, but those beliefs are not particular to them as a class, and currently the dominant expression of antisemitism in North America seems to have a distinctly middle class character.
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On Stanley Milgram’s Social Experiments and the Application to Generation Loss
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About the Poster
Hello! My name is Auri. The start of this essay is a brief blurb of conversational talk from me to you as the reader, largely addressing the credentials I have to begin a discussion on this topic. Which isn’t really much! It really only amounts to the fact that I have passed a singular college/university class in general psychology in which we discussed and researched this specific experiment. In no way am I a professional psychologist, and I do not expect my words to be taken at face value. If you are interested in the topic, do your own research too! I am fully willing to have conversations and debates regarding the material in this essay, especially if you have more knowledge and education on the topic than I do.
All of the information in this essay will be presented for a more rounded basic understanding of the experiment and my thoughts on whether or not the application of the experiment to the events of Generation Loss is appropriate. I will be covering an explanation of one of the simplest versions of the experiment as presented to me by my psychology professor. This will not be an extensive explanation of every variable, although it will go beyond the information that was included in MatPat’s Game Theory video about Generation Loss. Above all, please do not take my words to be the end all be all of this experiment and Generation Loss itself! These are my thoughts with the information I currently have. Doing your own research and developing your own thoughts and opinions on the subject is very important and highly encouraged.
Additionally, please do not give hate to either creator in the discussion of this topic. This essay is meant to be informative so that others may draw their own conclusions. The thoughts and feelings I express in this writing are my own, and I do not expect everyone to agree with me, and the content creators are doing nothing more than freely producing content for viewers to watch and discuss. Be respectful to everyone, including the creators and other Tumblr users who may comment or reblog. Thank you!
Warnings
Please do note that this essay will discuss events such as the Holocaust, World War II, death, perceived torture, Nazis, and concentration camps in uncensored ways. Nothing in this essay will in any way be graphic, but topics in this list may be brought up and discussed in various ways. In no way are anti-Semitic views or intentionally harming another person endorsed in this post, and endorsing either of these in discussion will not be tolerated. Please keep your own mental health in mind while reading, as this is a serious topic.
Introduction
On Sunday, May 30, 2023, MatPat released a video on the Game Theory YouTube channel regarding Ranboo’s horror series Generation Loss. This video, titled Lies of the Founder, covered the events of Generation Loss since the release of the T_1 video. This included information given in The Inauguration and Generation 1: The Social Experiments. During this video, MatPat also included the idea that the social experiment designed by Stanley Milgram could be comparable to the Social Experiments of Generation Loss. However, this should not be taken into account without considering the full scope of the experiment and its design, including ethics, historical context, and social implications.
Historical Context and Social Implications
Milgram’s social experiments occurred in the early 1960s following the end of World War II. During this time, many of the people who had working in concentration camps during the Holocaust were on trial for a myriad of crimes, including the slaughter and injury of Jewish people. This included not only scientists and leaders of the Nazis, but also people of working class backgrounds who believed in the cause. These people were asked why they would intentionally participate in mass murder, to which they responded that they were told to.
Society would largely like to believe that people have a moral compass that would keep them from performing such acts. Therefore, it was thought that these people must either make up a small portion of the population or that they were lying as to their motivations. This was the basis of Milgram’s experiments: to determine whether or not the average person would intentionally cause another harm because they had been told to by a figure of authority. The expectation was that they would not, however this would not turn out to be the case in the majority of situations.
The Experiment
Before discussing the outcome of the experiment, it is important to understand the structure of the experiment itself. It had many different iterations with the same basic design, all intended to simulate a similar experience to the people who had been running the gas chambers in a more controlled environment. There were even iterations that appealed to different demographics, including women, which did show minor variation in data. Despite this, each time the experiment was run the general outcome remained the same.
In a basic version of the experiment, an ad was placed in the newspaper that stated that volunteers could apply to take part in an experiment at Yale, which they would be financially compensated for. However, volunteers were not told the true purpose of the experiment. Volunteers were told that the experiment was a test to see how the introduction of pain impacted how well a person learned. This was similar to other experiments that had taken place to see the influences of pain versus reward in learning behaviors among animals. Upon applying, each volunteer would be given a date, time, and place that they were to go in order to partake, and told that they would be paid upon arrival.
The times and dates were set so that only one participant would arrive at a time for each experiment session, and all of the sessions were done late at night when no one else would be in the area. Even the police had been told that there would be strange and potentially disturbing noises coming from the building, and that these noises should be ignored. Volunteers would arrive to see another person sitting in the waiting room, who would introduce themselves as another volunteer. Unknown to them, this person was not another participant, but instead a paid actor who had been told how the experiment would work. The two would be left alone in the room together while waiting for someone to begin the experiment.
Eventually, a person wearing some kind of designation of power, such as a lab coat, and referred to as the experimenter, would come into the room. The experimenter would then present the volunteer and the actor with the money they had promised the volunteers, and the volunteer was told that they could leave at any time. If they wished, they could take the money at that moment and walk out the door without proceeding further into the experiment. If they chose to proceed, the volunteer would then be given a choice to select a piece of paper from the experimenter’s hand, which they were told would determine their role in the experiment. They were told that they could be either the learner, the person who would answer questions, or the teacher, the person who would ask questions and administer the punishments. It was intended to appear as random chance, however both of the papers in the experimenter’s hands would say teacher, thereby rigging the roles that were given. The remaining paper that wasn’t chosen would then be given to the actor, who would pretend that the paper told them to be the learner. After being given their roles, given that they still wished to participate, the volunteer and the actor would then be taken back to the area that had been set up for the rest of the experiment.
The volunteer and the actor were then separated into separate rooms where they were not able to see each other, although there was an intercom system set up so that they would be able to hear each other. The volunteer was then told that they would be asking questions and would be administering a controlled shock to the actor if the answers that they had given were wrong. In many cases, these questions were a series of associated words that had to be repeated in order. Given that the volunteer might have concerns about shocking someone, volunteers were also given a light sample shock to show that each shock would not equate to more than a pinch. They would then be told how to work all of the necessary equipment and instructed to proceed with the experiment. Nothing would change until the first time the actor intentionally got a question wrong.
After a question was answered incorrectly, the volunteer would be directed to give the actor a shock. For every wrong answer after this, they would then be told that the voltage would be raised by a given interval, so that each time the actor answered a question wrong, the “shock” would be more painful. Eventually the shock would rise to a voltage that should have been painful, and increasingly distressed noises would either be acted out by the actor or played from a previously recorded tape. Should the volunteer refuse to administer the shock, the experimenter had a few statements along the line of, “The experiment must continue.” This was intended to make the volunteer continue to administer the shocks, however the volunteer was still free to leave at any time. In fact, some volunteers would. For those that continued with the experiment, the shock levels would continue to increase to the point where shocks could be potentially fatal.
At this point, the actor or the tape had lines that were intended to convince the volunteer that they could die, such as yelling that they had a heart condition that could be made worse or kill them because of the shocks. Regardless of this, the experimenter would continue to say that the experiment should continue. This had the potential to reach the point that all sound would cease to come over the intercom from the actor’s room altogether, even though questions are still being asked. The experimenter would then inform the volunteer that should no answer be given, it was to be taken as an incorrect answer and a shock should be administered. After a shock or multiple shocks had been administered in pure silence, the experimenter would then tell the volunteer that the experiment had been concluded and escort them out of the room.
The Outcome and Ethics
It is important to remember that no one was ever physically injured in these experiments. All of it was acting, rigged to see how the volunteers would respond. A majority of the volunteers did proceed all the way to the end of the experiments, a number of almost 66%. This shocked the general society at the time, who had estimated that the majority of people would not go through something like this. The rest of the volunteers who did choose to walk out or threatened to call the police were then told how the experiment worked, and were asked to remain silent about their experience so that they could continue to collect accurate results.
However, volunteers experienced major trauma because of this. Instances of survivor’s guilt were recorded years later regarding the experiment, with some volunteers admitting to having persistent nightmares. So while there wasn’t any physical harm, there was certainly potential for mental harm done to the volunteers who followed all the way through. In addition to the deception as to the true purpose and methods of the experiment and the lack of informed consent from the volunteers, this experiment violates multiple sections of the modern code of ethics. As such, this experiment would never have been approved or allowed to continue today.
Application to Generation Loss
In my personal opinion, this is an experiment that should not be applied to Generation Loss. While I do understand the concept of Generation 1: The Social Experiments being about the audience and seeing how far they would be willing to take things, I do not believe there is truly enough similarity to use them as a one-to-one comparison. The roles of learner, experimenter, and teacher are not significantly filled out from the cast we have in Generation Loss in my opinion. Additionally, there is something about using an experiment that breaks the code of ethics and was designed in regards to behaviors from the Holocaust, a very serious historical event, to describe elements of an entertaining horror story that rubs me the wrong way. I do believe the appropriateness of this can be subjective, but I would like to give other people evaluating this all of the information that I also have.
In Conclusion
This essay has been designed to give readers more information as to a particular subject that was brought up in a Game Theory video. It serves the secondary purpose of displaying the reasons that I believe it is not appropriate to use in the way it has been compared to Ranboo’s Generation Loss series. I am more than willing to hold an ongoing conversation and civil debate on this matter, and encourage everyone to do their own research if this matter interests you for if you feel there is something important that I have missed.
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Hello. Sorry if this question will be too controversial for you, I understand.
You seem like a well studied person, so I wanted to ask if you could help me research something I don't know where to start with.
Recently I've seen a growing discourse on twitter about... Whether trans women or trans men are more oppressed. And in my opinion, measuring the degree of oppression is very easy! But no-one in this discourse is doing that. You can do so by looking at the rate of poverty among different genders of trans people, and which group experiences more crime directed at them, and which group is more happy.
But I'm not sure how to find the research for that. I'm not an academic. Do you think you could help me?
Thank you 💗
Measuring the degree of oppression is not easy, I don't think these stats exist at all (because who would pay for them? no one with that kind of money wants us alive), and oppression is not the olympics.
Discourse-y things under the cut.
In my experience transfems seem to be "more oppressed" in the sense that the pressure to oppress transfems is stronger. Everyone agrees transfems are the ones that the overwhelming majority of discourse targets, even the people who disagree with the conclusion and say that this is proof of invisibility of non-transfem trans people. Find a random act of transphobic hate, and the likelihood that the person who did it even knows transmasc people exist to be a target isn't very high. Look at the "accidental ally" posts and 99.9% of them is bigots trying to be transmisogynistic at transmascs because they're used to transmisogyny.
And the final point - transmisogyny exists as a separate thing. Transphobia targeted at transfems, transphobia targeted at transmascs, generic transphobia targeted at everyone are three different expressions of the same thing. Transmisogyny is a separate thing on the side, and the attemps to mirror it with "transmisandry" or "transandrophobia" all just point to the aforementioned "transphobia targeted at transmascs" and nothing different, nothing specific. Transmisogyny stands "on its own" in a way, though it is specifically the interplay of transphobia and misogyny into creating something new. The way trans women (and transfems in general) are simultaneously not believable victims, easy victims, and "no, actually perpetrators" of interpersonal violence, especially sexual violence. It coexists *all at the same time* in people's minds that trans women are not women, and that desires that target women can and do target trans women. That trans women hold less power than other women to stop you doing whatever, but also that they hold more power than you on what you do so they're responsible for what you do to them. That trans women are dangerous, and that they're the easiest demographic to focus on for an attack. The theory that they're part of a secret cabal to control the world ("cabal" used on purpose - this theory HEAVILY overlaps with anti-semitism) coexists with the knowledge you can call cops on trans women and endanger their lives instantly even if you were aggressing them. When KJK/posie parker had her rally and Nazis showed up sieg heiling with a "destroy pedo freaks" poster, "pedo freaks" was aimed at trans women specifically. Hell, the terf rhetoric that does target transmascs specifically (all the lost lesbian/brainwashed autist/permanent damage to sweet kids/etc bullshit) assumes more often than not - if not always - that transmascs are passive victims of the horribleterrible "trans ideology" spearheaded by public enemy number one, the predatory "man in women's clothes/womanface."
In the purest senses of "who has the most kinds of oppression" and "who is targeted the most directly by oppression," transfems are "more oppressed" than transmascs, but just saying that accomplishes nothing and serves little purpose. You can't predict how easy someone's life is because of that. Is it also shit for transmascs dealing with all this? Definitely. And transmascs dealing with transphobia also have to deal with misogyny - this time not as an interplay, but as something that inevitably happens as a second step. When transphobia is aimed at transmascs, a huge part of it leads back to some "you should have been a woman and become an objectified baby oven" horror scenario.
The social pressure to hate transfems is stronger, there is a special social construct/social dynamic that materialised specifically out of trying to destroy transfems, but that's like comparing losing two fingers to losing a hand - we want no one to lose anything, not discourse about which one is worse. Recognising that transmisogyny exists doesn't serve the purpose of being a gotcha to transmascs, it serves the purpose of fighting transmisogyny. Fighting transmisogyny doesn't happen without fighting all transphobia. (It is possible to fight transphobia without going the "extra mile" to fight transmisogyny, which kinda leaves transfems behind to deal with their issues, but for all the internet discourse I've seen I've literally never met someone who did that. I've heard of bad people doing that because they don't care, but I haven't even heard of them on my continent).
Plus, everyone's situation is different. You can lose two fingers and die to gangrene, you can lose the entire arm and heal well. I don't see how stats would be able to accurately reflect the diversity of factors. You'd need to check for so many things. Weigh against time. There is no unbiased sample that doesn't figure in the millions at the very least with such a diverse group.
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your opinion on the palestinian/israeli conflict?
why on earth would anyone want the opinion of a black american woman who is neither a jew nor a muslim nor has any personal or professional relationships with any arabs or israelis whatsoever nor has an iota of expertise on one of the defining geopolitical conflicts of our day and age? there are both arab and jewish feminists on this very website offering their nuanced perspectives.
i didn't study the conflict in school, and the little i know about that region of the world is entirely through the lens of black and africana studies. while that history is completely unflattering to both jews and arabs, it is also not directly relevant to the conflict in any decisive manner. both arabs and jews in the middle east continue to treat black africans the same way americans treat west indian and latin american migrants: like subhuman trash and political props. but, again, that has little to do with the actual conflict itself.
however, i will say have seen with my own eyes many women i thought were feminists expressing anti-semitic conspiracy theories that hurt jewish people who are allied to palestinians (i.e. every single jewish woman i know) and zionists alike. i have also seen the holocaust repeatedly minimized in a way that frankly caused me to block people, something i never do. if you are unable to criticize state violence and zionism without implicating every jewish person on the planet and making light of one of the most horrific genocides in human history, then idk what to say to you.
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Watch ""Anti-Zionism is not the same as Anti-Semitism"" on YouTube
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The black spokesman for palestine lost his job. When a white person expresses anti zionism, he is a hero. No one cares for colored people's opinion unless verified by white establishment. Sad fact
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