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yen-sids-tournament · 2 months

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Our Original v Live Action takes for pt. 1

Here is a collection of our own thoughts about where we would've voted on these first 9 polls:

The Little Mermaid: "Some parts the Animated & some parts the Live Action" because we will always have a soft spot for any of the animated movies and having Eric driving the ship into Ursula was always so cool, plus we hc that Eric was a spare (or further) Prince and not actually in line for the Crown. but there were subtle changes in the Live Action we adored, like Ariel forgetting about the Kiss as part of the curse and Eric's own collection. And hands down the best part was Jodie Benson handing over the dinglehopper to Halle Bailey.

Dumbo: "The Animated" mostly because it has been so long since we've seen this one. "Baby Mine" is so precious, heartbreaking, and beautiful. but there wasn't much else we remember. Except how adorable Dumbo looks! And not even Danny DeVito wasn't enough to get us into the Live Action.

101 Dalmatians: "Mostly the Animated Movie" because yes to the Animated forever, but there is no denying how amazing Glenn Close is as Cruella.

101 Sequels: "Some parts Animated & some Live Action/Both Equally" because they are two very different stories and each was very entertaining. Patch's was Bolt before Bolt, and Glenn Close loving the puppies?! Masterpieces.

Aladdin: "Mostly the Animated" because it is a classic, Robin Williams alone made it practically impossible for a copy-cat performance. We did appreciate the attempts bring out more of Jasmine in the Live Action.

Alice in Wonderland: "Mostly the Animated" this is because of who we associate the story with, and while there were fun parts of the live action, the animated is always going to win a competition.

The Parent Trap: "Some parts Hayley Mills & some parts Lindsay Lohan/Both Equally" This one is the ideal example of when we would like to just pick and choose some parts of one and some parts of the other to create the Ultimate (TM) Parent Trap Movie.

Sleeping Beauty (Maleficent): "Some parts Animated & some Live Action/Both Equally" If disny wants to go around making sympathetic-villain remakes of their classics, they should figure out exactly what Maleficent did right. The animated is so visually beautiful with an amazing soundtrack. And the Live Action really brought another side of the story to life, it was both different and still recognizable enough to stand on it's own.

Cinderella: "Mostly the Live Action" Look growing up Cinderella seemed over rated, always everyone's favorite. Later there grew an appreciation for the movie as it saved the company and Walt's reported favorite animation (the dress transformation). However the Live Action is almost perfect. Do we miss the talking mice, sure, but from the casting and costumes to the story, it was so *Cinderella* in essence. The "apprentice" cover and the dance and the swing and "dilly dilly" are all icing on the cake.

#honestly Cinderella was robbed of the costume oscar and it shall neither be forgotten nor forgiven!#original or remake #yen sid comments #the little mermaid #dumbo #101 dalmatians #aladdin #alice in wonderland #the parent trap #sleeping beauty #cinderella #disney #live action disney #disney animated movies

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nicnacsnonsense · 9 months

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Live Action Disney & the Art of Adaptation

It’s finally done y’all!

#disney live action #mulan 2020 #aladdin 2019 #maleficent 2014 #the lion king 2019 #dumbo 2019 #little mermaid 2023 #batb 2017 #<- all those movies get their own section in the video #the rest are only discussed in passing

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the-cactus-taco · 2 years

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oki i am working on the kirbyRBAY+ fanfic but i realise that meta knight and kirby's relationship fits with the song baby mine especially the lyrics 'If they knew all about you they'd end up loving you too all those same people who scold you what they'd give just for the right to hold you' yeah the warriors sent the lil man away but thats just free baby for meta knight

(OK I know this is a little late but) you are absolutely correct-

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capturingdisney · 1 year

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#dumbo #dumbo 2019 #disney #disneyedit #disney edit #disneycap #live action #live action disney #capturingdisney #*

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idkaguyorsomething · 3 months

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The Scott Pilgrim Takes Off treatment being defined as the movie being advertised as a more faithful retelling of its story, then going completely off the rails to shift focus and tell something different and new.

¡Reblog and explain your pick in the tags!

#and when i say off the rails i do mean off the rails #we don’t have to rehash inferior versions of the iconic scenes from all these classic movie we can do new and interesting things #get wild and creative with it #give a lot of focus to things that got overlooked in their original stories #seriously if you have any ideas i really wanna hear them #the creativity on here can be really inspiring #some remakes weren’t included because they were already kinda sorta not really different #just enough to give me pause #like the new plot in dumbo where he goes to disneyland and sets it on fire #feel free to disagree and tell me if i missed one you think should’ve been on here #just don’t be an asshole about it #disney #disney live action #disney live action remakes #spto #scott pilgram takes off #aladdin #aladdin 2019 #the lion king #the lion king 2019 #beauty and the beast #beauty and the beast 2017 #cinderella #cinderella 2015 #mulan #mulan 2020 #the little mermaid #the little mermaid 2023 #pinocchio #pinocchio 2022

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thedisneyhub · 2 years

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Dumbo (2019), dir. Tim Burton

#disneyedit #filmedit #dumbo #dumbo 2019 #*#live action #dylan

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thejdblog · 2 years

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DISNEY'S PINOCCHIO (2022) DIRECTED BY ROBERT ZEMECKIS.

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iliveinnarniaandstudyathogwarts · 1 year

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It’s a Disney movie, it doesn’t have to be logical or realistic. If all you have to add to to the story is realism and a sprinkle of ✨logic✨ please don’t

#please #Disney #disney live action #mulan #Aladdin #the lion king #beauty and the beast #dumbo

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vavandeveresfan · 3 months

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"Dumbo 2019," back before the world went nuts.

I'm experiencing some Dumbo live action nostalgia, because that year was a fun one for me.

Before I even saw the movie, and inspired only by the novelization and a few commercials, I created a new Ship: Villy (V.A. Vandevere + Milly Farrier aged up to 18), and was writing a long, slow-burn fic:

Baby, Mine of AO3, plus others.

I met a lot of great Dumbo fans here *waves at @victorianwestpiano * (who also writes Dumbo fics on Archive)

Even with all its flaws, and it has a lot, I enjoyed the new Dumbo. Especially since the stage design and costuming are magnificent. I only wish the script had been as good as how it looked.

Posting these with a happy-sad sigh with the memory of how fun the fandom was, but how everything went to nuts in 2020.

#Dumbo 2019 #Dumbo live action #Disney #Tim Burton #Michael keaton #colin farrell #eva green #danny devito #Nico Parker #Finlay Hobbins #alan arkin #sharon rooney #Miguel Muñoz Segura #Zenaida Alcalde #Phil Zimmerman #Deobia Oparei #Roshan Seth #Joseph Gatt #Disney live action

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devoted-to-colin-farrell · 11 months

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Dumbo interview

#Youtube #colin farrell #danny devito #tim burton #eva green #michael keaton #interview #dumbo #ireland #movie #best actor #disney dumbo #live action

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yen-sids-tournament · 2 months

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Dumbo: Animated (1941) v Live Action (2019)

You do not have to see both to vote, but it might have been helpful.

Feel free to share opinions or explanations with comments/tags/rbs

#original or remake #disney #yen sids poll #dumbo #dumbo 1941 #dumbo 2019 #danny devito #disney animated movie #live action disney #disney remakes #timothy q mouse #mr stork #baby mine #colin farrell #disney movies

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courseyoulovemeyoudontknowme · 16 days

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Dumbo (2019, Tim Burton)

06/04/2024

Dumbo is a 2019 film directed by Tim Burton.

USA, 1919. Holt Farrier, a former star of the Medici circus, returns from World War I to start a new life with his children Milly and Joe. Unfortunately, when Holt returns home, he finds his life turned upside down: a widower, he lost an arm during the war and consequently will never be able to do his circus stunts with his horses again. Max Medici, the director of the circus, then gives him another task: to take care of the new circus animal, an Indian elephant.

Milly and Joe visit the puppy, who they decided to call Dumbo, a name previously given to him by the circus spectators for mocking purposes, and discover that he has the ability to fly thanks to a feather; they therefore decide to exploit his talent to help the circus, now in a serious situation.

The next evening the circus puts on another show in Missouri and Dumbo makes his first appearance as a flying elephant after getting stuck on a burning building. The little elephant's performance causes a sensation throughout the country and begins to be on everyone's lips, including that of V. A. Vandevere, a powerful entrepreneur, and Colette Marchant, a French trapeze artist, who go to Medici and invite him and his circus at Dreamland, a park built by Vandevere full of rides and entertainment.

Dumbo, tired of life in the circus, decides to say goodbye to his new friends and moves with his mother to the jungle.

On July 8, 2014, Walt Disney Pictures announced the live action remake of Dumbo, together with the name of the screenwriter Ehren Kruger. On March 10, 2015, Tim Burton was announced as the film's director.

The film's budget was $170 million.

In January 2017, it was announced that Will Smith was in talks to play the father of the children who develop a friendship with the baby elephant Dumbo after seeing him in the circus, but later turned down the offer due to of the filming of the sequel to the film Bad Boys II, and other reasons. Bill Hader, Chris Pine and Casey Affleck were also offered the role, but turned it down before Colin Farrell was cast.

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vicholas · 1 year

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I was thinking "how are they still hiring Tim Burton after he made live action Dumbo" but live action Disney remakes are so forgettable that no one even remembers he did that. idk it's messed up that a multi millionaire company can spend so much money in a shit film with bad reviews and everyone forgets about it a week later. It doesn't harm the director or the studio reputation at all and they still make profits

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The rapresentation of abusers in helluva boss is something that particularly frustrates me, Stella in particular, it seems to be done just to victimaze certain characters not to show the complex dynamics of those relationships. It seems to me the writers aren't mature enough to handle these topics properly.

Abuse: The Heart of Vivienne Medrano

Christmas 1962, a man renowned the western world over for his revolutionary approach to animation sat in a withering melancholy as he watched what could only be called a cinematic masterpiece based on a novel classic. Walt Disney, now in the twilight years of his life, saw the walls closing in and his legacy coming to a close. This man, who pioneered the animated feature film, saw his greatest accomplishment as his greatest obstacle. The man responsible for the tales brought to life of Cinderella, Snow White, Pinocchio, and Dumbo felt trapped in his achievement. “I wish,” Walt lamented, “I could make a picture like that.”

To Kill a Mockingbird was a piece that challenged its audience. The discussion of a white man defending a black man in southern America, decades before the civil rights movement. The movement that, at the time the movie hit cinemas, was in its infancy. Released during the height of the historically revisionist counter movement taking place to combat the rising push of African Americans towards their human rights. The last film Walt Disney ever saw the production of before his death in 1966 was The Jungle Book, a movie that was the epitome of “Safe” and a message that upheld the status quo of segregation.

It wasn’t until 1972 that the media of animation became raucously adult with those political and challenging concepts Disney felt were unattainable. Fritz the Cat was an X-rated animated film composed of vignettes that were unapologetically perverse, violent, and aggressively political. Critical of politicians and the police with a sympathetic if exploitative lens towards the LGBT and racial minority communities Brooklyn-based director Ralph Bakshi grew up around. Bakshi proved that animation was not strictly a child-friendly media and that adult animation could be financially and critically successful.

(For more on Ralph Bakshi's career and animation history)

If one has ever had the opportunity to listen to a Brad Bird (director of Ratatouille and The Incredibles) interview, it is clear to see that the success of Bakshi was generally quite limited. That animation is considered a genre and not a medium of art has resulted in animated films being knee-capped in the box office. There is far more potential to animation, highlighted by Howard Ashton in his collaboration with Disney studios during the Renaissance. Responsible for resurrecting the feature-length animated movie through The Little Mermaid and credited for the monumental success of Best Picture Award winner Beauty and the Beast, Ashton once said that the potential animation was ideal for musical theatre. The limitless possibilities given the medium gave the possibility of introducing Broadway to the common folk who didn’t live in New York and otherwise couldn’t afford the theater. He was quoted saying that live action musical films were “an exercise in stupidity,” highlighting the freedom that comes with a blank page.

However, the success of animation, and media in general, comes down to the message the media wishes to send. The reason the Disney Renaissance films have enjoyed their position as cornerstones of pop culture and creativity was because it did introduce the artform of musical theater into homes and made them readily accessible to everyone with an even heightened sense of fantasy that revitalized Walt’s ethos of making films for the child in everyone.

With Bakshi, it was the loud and violently political message of a revolution taking place. This continues in adult animation with the Simpsons, a series critical of hyper-capitalist America and the fallout of Reagan’s economic disaster that the effects of which are still being felt today and a satire of toxic masculinity and abusive family dynamics.

So, ultimately, the value of a piece of media is a cross between its social artistic influence and the message the creators are intending to make. While Medrano’s influence on the field of indie animation is often mischaracterized as a “pioneer”, the fact is that indie animation and pilots have existed and been funded before Spindlehorse existed. It is simply that Medrano has had the spotlight handed to her for the myth surrounding the production and subsequent success of his indie projects. Artistically, her influence can be summarized as a double-edged sword. For some, she is the motivation for inspiring artists to connect with the community to one day, hopefully, create their own work. On the other hand, she is the cautionary tale of why investing in an indie project is a financial risk for an audience member and a risk to the community as a whole that poses a real danger of making the indie sphere financially cannibalistic, as her public persona is off-putting to “normies” and her show is simply not good.

Much like Disney, the man in 1962, and Disney the company circa 2023, the revolution of animating "because you can" loses its luster very quickly. Without something profound to say, an entire company, regardless of its social influence, can fade into irrelevance despite still being "successful". The story of Disney is a cautionary tale for Indie animation as a whole and Spindlehorse in specific.

And that is the other axis on this chart. Her narrative lacks a message worth telling, and that’s very much due to her not having anything worthwhile to say.

“I really liked when things and shows and stories allow the characters to be flawed, and allow them to grow and to change. And I think that’s something that’s, you know, the world is not black and white. And I like things that explore the gray and that and the complexity, of life and mistakes and of things like that.” - Vivienne Medrano

It is not for want of mockery that I carefully transcribe Medrano’s words in her interview. To read the words aloud tells the story just as clearly as I have set out to do here. This is someone who is highly inspired by better media, who has ideas and a belief that she has something to say. But that is where the belief ends. There is no conclusion to that thought any more than there is one in the unfocused and run-on sentences she rambles along throughout the interview. She talks of “Things” without clarity, because she herself is a fundamentally incurious individual who has never once spent the time critically analyzing herself, let alone the work of others to better grasp what about it resonated with her. She merely consumes art insatiably and without any substance. Like a diet of fruit, it has a superficial veneer of positive value. Fruit would be considered healthy as it is “natural”. However, it is the nutritional equivalent of candy, lacking vital components that are necessary to sustain basic life, it is pure sugar. Her work, similarly, lacks any value of depth that would qualify as meaning.

Which comes back to what the message is in her work.

When it comes to others in the field of indie animation, Medrano does not have many friends. In response to the Lackadaisy situation, creator Tracy explained why she returned Medrano’s donation. For one, the donation was not Medrano’s money, but money she crowd sourced from her employees. While the $5k for the producer spot of the fundraiser would have not been a dent in her personal wallet, Medrano is so uninterested in supporting fellow creators while presenting an impression of camaraderie that she instead took money from the people she is in charge of the paychecks for to get her name in the credits of another creator’s work. In regards to why Medrano was declined her support, it was due to numerous individuals who had such an awful experience working for Medrano that they did not want her involvement associated with the project to any extent. When the money was returned, she made the situation extremely public and encouraged harassment by liking tweets attacking Tracy and the Iron Circus team.

A well-known member of Medrano’s crew, Hunter B, was leaked speaking crassly of other animation projects that were still in the process of production, met with support from other members in the discord. One of these creators being Ashley Nicoles from Far-Fetched. A former friend and creative partner on the Hazbin Pilot whose podcast streams featuring Edward Bosco and Michael Kovach single-handedly maintained interest in the show until the winter of 2021, free of charge. Ashley once spoke of how Medrano would speak disparagingly of an employee to her, saying that this individual was “Too unstable to work with”. Which, regardless of whether or not that is Medrano’s honest opinion, counts as defamation by an employer. It is the exact reason why most previous employers will not give a negative, detailed review of a former employee, maintaining instead to verify facts of the employment. If Erin Frost was more experienced and less involved in social media exposed culture, they could have easily sued Medrano and Spindlehorse for damaging their reputation in their field of employment.

Which circles back to Medrano’s self-assigned message of her show:

“Abusers rely on your silence. They rely on knowing you can’t retaliate without consequence. That they can tell any lies and vague around without getting called out. But we see you, and you don’t have the power you think you do anymore. A message I put into my work. “Fuck you!” - Vivienne Medrano

Medrano, who has vague and sub tweeted individuals like Lackadaisy Tracy, The Diregentlemen, Michael Kovach, and Ashley Nicoles. Medrano who has instigated and incited harassment campaigns knowing that no one can call her out without severe and relentless backlash from her cultish fanbase that she personally encourages through positive reinforcement of liking the tweets of fans. Medrano who relies on the silence of other creators in the field due to the fear of her ire collapsing their projects before they even have a chance to begin.

Vivienne Medrano with an extensive abusive history that continues to this day, has something to say about abuse.

What Medrano has to say about abuse comes from someone who has the position of superiority in all of her relationships, but feels like she’s the outcast and bullied loser. Her self insert that is repeatedly expressed in every character at one point or another is how easily they abuse those around them just because they can, but that the narrative justifies their “acting out” because they are sad. According to the National Coalition Against Domestic Violence, “An abuser externalizes the causes of their behavior. They blame their violence on circumstances.”

Indeed, the lists of abusive characteristics and traits, according to the National Coalition Against Domestic Violence, overwhelmingly encompasses the characteristics shown by characters like Loona, Blitz and Stolas that Medrano repeatedly has attempted to rationalize, justify and minimize. Which, “An abuser often denies the existence or minimizes the seriousness of the violence [including emotional and mental abuse] and its effect on the victim and other family members.”

It is not surprising, then, that the conversation of abuse in Helluva Boss is often infuriating. The narrative underplays the harm done by characters we are supposed to see as “good”. Not allowing for them to grow or change, but ignoring and minimizing the behavior, justifying it through circumstances and perpetuating the false belief that victims are not, themselves, abusers.

One of the first blog post rants I ever made about mental health and abuse was the affirmation that not all victims of abuse are survivors. I wholly stand by that. Victims of abuse perpetuate abuse. A victim and an abuser are one in the same, whereas a survivor is someone who has actually done the difficult work of being self-critical. And the one thing we all are very aware of is how much Vivienne Medrano rejects criticism.

#helluva boss critical #helluva boss criticism #helluva boss critique #vivienne medrano #vivziepop #vivziepop critical #spindlehorse critical #spindlehorse criticism #vivziepop criticism #helluva boss #perpetuating abuse #narcissistic abuse #abuse breeds abuse #essay writing

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