#achilles

[wolfythewitch]

But never let me die without a struggle and without acclaim

#animation #art #class hw #tagamemnon #iliad #the iliad #achilles #hector of troy #andromache #greek mythology

[dreamu-draws]

Hey we saw you from across the glade and we really hate your vibe.

#my art #digital art #fanart #procreate #hades game #Hades #Hades 2 #Patroclus #Achilles #Patrochilles #Odysseus

[one-time-i-dreamt]

Heartstopper season 3 is a historical musical au. The Trojan wall fell down because Nick as Achilles and Charlie as Patroclus sang it down.

#dream #text #April 21st 2024 #heartstopper #historical #musical #au #trojan wall #achilles #patroclus #singing #queueueueueueueueueueueueueue

[scraggscribbs]

"Risk it all."

"Fear is for the weak."

#hades game #achilles #patroclus #patrochilles #gay dads #digital illustration #illustration #fanart #hades supergiant #supergiant games

[crazy-maracuya]

*Wakes up in a cold sweat* Do we need to reunite Odysseus with Penelope in the same way we did for Patroclus and Achilles??????

#if so #DAMMIT ODYSSEUS NOT AGAIN #patroclus #achilles #penelope #odysseus #hades ii #supergiant hades #hades 2 #melinoe hades #hades spoilers

[starfanatic]

My Thoughts on the Trojans (after reading the Iliad)

One thing about me, I’ll always call Hector and Paris a cunt (Paris moreso) no matter what Achilles has done. Because let’s talk about it:

-The trojans quite literally only had Apollo because Ares and Aphrodite kept getting their asses handed to them (it hurts but its true). AND to top it all off they lost Ares. If I was any trojan and found out Ares, GOD OF WAR, left me I’m giving up immediately ☠️

-HECTOR aint even kill Patroclus in a fair 1v1! Patroclus called him a pussy and said his boyfriend is going to kill him and I GIGGLED because yeah 😭

-Paris is a cowardly idiot either way. Whether people want to believe Helen loved him or not, hes STILL a coward idc.

-Idk how people can think the Trojans were the ones in the right. You STOLE their queen (because im pretty sure she loved Menelaus), then LOOTED Menelaus afterward, then dipped after a treaty? Wtf was Menelaus supposed to do? You think he would be respected as a King if he let that shit slide?

-If I was Hector id kick Paris out of Troy and make him give that woman back so quick the ship wont be able to sail. Idgaf if hes my brother I dont even know him like that 💀 they have Achilles and you won’t me to risk my balls so you can get ballsdeep in a woman who DONT WANT YOU? What is this? I have a WIFE and KIDS and OTHER siblings? Fuck that.

-ALSO the Trojans don’t got NOBODY in give a shit about other then the gods.

#YES I READ THE ILIAD #but I’m protecting Achilles #Patroclus #Achilles #patroclus x achilles #patrochilles #apollo greek mythology #greek mythology #trojan war #odysseus #hector of troy

[coconutbunnysblog]

#achilles #the iliad #greek mythology #the odyssey #homer #odysseus #the aeneid #song of achilles #achilles and patroclus #patroclus #greek mythology memes

[incorrecthomer]

Teucer: You know you can die from that, right? Patroclus: *smoking a cigarette* That's the point. Ajax: *drinking alcohol* We're trying to hurry this up. Achilles: *Eating raw cookie dough and nodding*

#greek mythology #incorrect greek mythology #greek heroes #incorrect greek heroes #incorrect greek quotes #incorrect quotes #iliad #incorrect iliad #achilles gang #teucer #patroclus #ajax the greater #achilles

[go-authority]

https://karla-563.mjcyd.asia/j/TBoPdDQ

#dont hug me im scared #killer katrin #galatasaray #achilles #yor forger #evangelion #animaniacs #arataki itto #genetics #laughing jack #anna karina

[pelideswhore]

army dreamers by kate bush but make it about the iliad

#its so thetis coded ngl #mammys boy hmmm who could that be #greek mythology #greek myth #achilles #iliad #the iliad #patroclus #hector of troy #agamemnon

[patrochillesvibes]

#Achilles #Patroclus #patrochilles #tagamemnon #Homer #The Iliad #Achilles x Patroclus #greek mythology #War Nerd Iliad #classics

[oruok]

it's that akgd

#fate grand order #fgo #fate achilles #fate apocrypha #fate #achilles #fgo achilles #akiguda #アキぐだ♂ #ritsuka fujimaru #gudao #oruokart

[disasterastrid]

a patroclus/achilles au wolfstar wip based on the idea that i think they’re the same people in parallel universes

if we’re talking about song of achilles and atyd, i think grant would be briseis, specifically in that scene where patroclus is dead and briseis is cleaning his body.. and achilles doesn’t want anyone to touch him at all. and briseis is so angry at achilles, and achilles hates himself so much for not stopping patroclus. a standoff between the girl who never had patroclus, and the boy who lost him; the both of them, in mourning.

comment any song of achilles x wolfstar scenes!! i may draw some :)

#wolfstar #artists on tumblr #illustration #fanart #all the young dudes #atyd marauders #atyd #song of achilles #madeline miller #literature #alternate universe #sirius black #remus lupin #marauders #digital art #sketch #procreate #rgkg #wip #work in progress #harry potter #achilles #patroclus #achilles and patroclus #digital illustration #digital fanart #fanfic

[xanandhix]

Finished my Achaean design just to make silly edits of them

First pic: Achilles - Agamemnon - Odysseus - Diomedes

Second pic: Agamemnon-Odysseus

#the iliad #odysseus #achilles #agamemnon #diomedes #shitpost tag to help me keep tracks

[ask-modern-patrochilles]

Hey Achilles! What's something you can do that gets patroclus blushing?

Achilles: Sometimes a few words are all I need to get him flustered, haha.

Patroclus: He is a menace who likes to say the wildest things in a room full of people.

#asks #patrochilles #tsoa #achilles #patroclus

[johaerys-writes]

I got u fam. Achilles was known to ransom captives rather than kill. Why? If he went to troy for glory, then why was he not out there killing left and right? Do you think that deep down it was against his nature and he was just “stalling”? What exactly was his plan to achieve glory? TSoA in a way implies Achilles did a lot of “stalling” to have more time with Patroclus, but I want to hear your take on the Iliad.

Hello, thank you for this ask! You raise a few different questions so let me answer them one by one.

Why does Achilles ransom captives rather than kill? What was his plan to achieve glory? In Book 1, Achilles explains exactly why he went to Troy, and his attitude towards the Trojans in general. This is what he says to Agamemnon at the agora:

For it was not on account of Trojans warriors I came to wage battle here, since to me they are blameless— never yet have they driven off my cattle, or my horses, nor ever in Phthia, where the rich earth breeds warriors, have they destroyed my harvest, since there is much between us, both shadowy mountains and clashing sea. But we followed you, O great shameless one, for your pleasure, to win recompense for Menelaos and for you, dog-face, from the Trojans; none of this do you pause to consider or care for.

Achilles doesn't have anything personal against the Trojans. He didn't come to Troy for the singular purpose of slaughtering them and their families, nor does he seem to revel in that violence, even though he also says that of all the Achaeans he is the one that conducts 'the greater part of furious war', as the strongest among them. He takes pride in his skill but he isn't bloodthirsty. He came to Troy as much for honour (i.e. winning recompense for the Atreides and restoring Hellas' honour as a whole, which is how the war was framed), as for glory. Therefore, helping Agamemnon win his war and bringing Helen back to Menelaus would have been Achilles' 'plan to achieve glory' if you want to call it that. I know that the take of Achilles being obsessed with his own glory and doing everything in his power to make sure he gets as much of it as he can is quite popular, but I believe that his reasons for fighting in the war are much more multi-faceted than that. And it's also something that he very eloquently explains throughout the Iliad as well.

Later on, in Book 21, when Lykaon (one of Priam's sons who had been sold by Achilles to slavery and managed to find his way back home) implores Achilles to spare him once more, Achilles tells him that he used to spare the Trojans because it is what his heart chose once, but that is no more. And then he kills him—which comes to show us that brutally slaughtering the Trojans he encounters isn't like him at all, and it is not what others expect of him.

As to whether it is in his nature or not, I really can't say. I do think that, as I said earlier, Achilles as a character isn't bloodthirsty or violent for the sake of being violent, he does not kill needlessly even when he does have that choice—we only see him slaughtering like that after Patroclus' death, which is essentially the breakdown of his character. But I believe it also has to do with his upbringing: in a previous ask I mentioned that Euripides in his Iphigenia at Aulis has Agamemnon explain to Menelaus (and the audience) that Chiron raised Achilles to be honourable and to stay away from wickedness. Achilles himself says that Chiron taught him to keep a single heart (i.e. to be steadfast and keep true to his words and actions), to be respectful of the gods and those he chooses to follow (the Atreides in this case) and do honour to them with his spear, unless they lead him or the people astray. That doesn't sound like someone who kills people left and right, nor like someone obsessed with glory no matter what is required to achieve it. And this is a portrayal that is encountered in other works of antiquity as well. Which tells me that this is the way Achilles was intended to be perceived: stubborn and hotheaded, but at the same time honourable, law abiding and very rigid in his moral code leader and warrior.

2. Was Achilles stalling? That is a question that does not really have a straightforward answer imo. Miller chooses to have Achilles stall so he can have more time with Patroclus, but the truth is that in the Iliad we have no evidence of that. Even the extent to which Achilles knew of the prophecy isn't conclusive: in Book 1, he already knows that he will never be leaving Troy and that he'll die there, but it is only in Book 18 that Thetis mentions that Achilles' death will come soon after Hector's. It is not clear in that exchange, at least to me, whether Achilles hears of it for the first time or if he has known it all along. So we can't really know whether he was delaying his own death, nor if he did it for the sake of Patroclus. I believe that anything we say on this topic is pure speculation.

As to why the war took as long as it did: there is no straightforward answer to this either. Perhaps the armies were evenly matched for the most part. Perhaps Troy's walls were just that strong. Perhaps it is the result of bad leadership: as it is hinted a few times in the Iliad, Achilles would get into arguments with Agamemnon and other leaders, presumably because he disagreed with their ways of doings things, which could mean that Agamemnon was just, well, an incompetent leader whose decisions caused the war to go on longer and longer. Perhaps it is a combination of all of the above. For all we know, Achilles, as the extremely straightforward and honourable person he is, wanted to do his best to make sure the Atreides win their war so they can all go back home—and he has already planned and prepared for his death in that case, as he tells Patroclus before he leaves to fight Hector that he expects him to come back safe from the fighting and take his son to Phthia to meet his grandfather and his clansmen after Achilles is gone.

That doesn't sound like someone who fears or stalls his death, but as someone who has prepared for it even if it saddens him. Besides, Achilles' greatest descriptor, 'swift-footed', does not imply a person who would be stalling when it comes to anything, rather a person that sees what he has to do and simply does it; although whether he was ever entirely sold on Agamemnon's and Menelaus' war is also debatable, if you ask me.

I hope I answered your questions!

#achilles #patroclus #patrochilles #the iliad #homer's iliad #sorry it took me so long to answer this i just wanted to get some facts straight 🙇‍♀️ #as always if anyone has any more thoughts on this you're welcome to add them #tagamemnon