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celartzee · 7 months
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Reylo on Ahch-To
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ceallaigheirinn · 8 months
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Episode 10, an opportunity to right the wrongs of TROS. So this is Ahch-To…
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gffa · 2 years
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STAR WARS CELEBRATION ANAHEIM 2022 ART SHOW “In a Galaxy Far, Far Away…,” Alex Mines
“Star Wars has many iconic scenes and landscapes, yet throughout my many years illustrating licensed sketch cards, I had rarely drawn these vistas. That was until my most recent card sets, where I hand painted scenes from the saga, but I was constrained by the limitations of the 2.5 x 3.5-inch card size.
“These cards inspired my piece, as I wanted to recreate those same landscapes and scenes, but on a much larger scale. This in turn allowed me to convey the cinematic spectacle of each of the nine episodes with a unique panoramic view.”
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phoenixyfriend · 2 years
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I want an "Old Luke lands in TCW" fic where he brings along a porg.
Everyone is like 'that is so cute but also what the fuck is it' He keeps making plans to visit Ahch-To to get more because they're social animals and his accidental pet needs friends.
A Particularly Weird thing I tend to pick up on in fic that doesn't matter too much but does pick at me: Porgs being mentioned in prequels fic. They are very cute, yes! But they are native to Ahch-To and were not exported from the planet until 34 years post-ANH. The prequels cast don't know what porgs are.
This is not a detail that matters to basically anyone, but I notice every time.
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jonberry555 · 1 month
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Is this Ahch-To? in the #TheAcolyte Trailer #starwars #reaction
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Greyscale Warmups - Luke Skywalker / Ahch-To / The Last Jedi
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starryjaybird · 2 months
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Conceptual drawings (I guess?) of a scene where Leia opens up and tells Rey about what broke their little family apart and why.
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darrencalvert · 1 year
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Cool porg marker drawing from earlier this year
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david-talks-sw · 1 year
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Luke Skywalker in 'The Last Jedi' (1/2)
Luke in The Last Jedi... love it or hate it, it's a difficult subject.
I personally stand somewhere in the middle. I don't think Luke was "ruined"... I'd argue that, from a purely in-universe perspective, his subplot actually tracks with what was previously established in the original films.
There are issues, but I think they are mainly found on an out-of-universe/structural level (which I'll get into in post 2/2). For now, let's take a deep dive and unpack why this portrayal isn't all that problematic.
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The most commonly-heard argument is that:
"They ruined Luke's character! He would never go into exile or abandon his sister and friends!"
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Simply put, Luke used to be:
an optimist
so brave he'd risk his life to save his friends,
aspired to become a Jedi.
Whereas, in The Last Jedi, he's:
jaded and depressed,
hides/abandons his sister and friends, like a coward,
says the Jedi need to die?!
Now the fact is... Luke is 24 years older when he goes into exile, 30 years older in The Last Jedi. People change, with age.
In Luke's case, he matured from an impatient kid who'd rashly run to save his friends, like in Empire Strikes Back, to a grown-up who makes hard choices and restrains himself from doing that, even though he desperately wants to.
Luke tells himself this is a self-sacrifice, this is for the greater good.
"Because he’s the last Jedi and a symbol of that it then becomes this self-sacrifice, he has take himself out of it, when he knows his friends are dying, when the thing he’d most like to do is get back in the fight." - Rian Johnson, The Empire Film Podcast, 2018
And Rian Johnson didn't want Luke to come across as a coward, so he also gave Luke an argument that initially seems to make sense:
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The Jedi way is flawed and inevitably leads to arrogance. Proof: the Sith originally came from Jedi. His own new order is no exception to that rule, even if he thought it was (in his arrogance, he believed his own legend).
So if he leaves and stays in exile? No more Jedi, no more Jedi-turned-darksiders that can mess up the galaxy.
The Force will keep trying to balance itself and a new, worthier source will appear (in the form of Rey).
But while his reasoning that "the Jedi are inevitably arrogant" seems sound and reasonable... it's wrong.
Just like Dooku's reasoning that "the Jedi are corrupt" seems sound, but is ultimately wrong.
Just like Anakin's rationalization that "the Jedi are evil" seems sound nope, that one doesn't even seem sound, it's just plain wrong.
Where is it wrong, in Luke's case?
Well, he's rationalizing his actions by blaming the Jedi religion, instead of admitting his own failure.
"The notion of, 'Nope, toss this all away and find something new,' is not really a valid choice, I think. Ultimately, Luke's exile and his justifications for it are all covering over his guilt over Kylo." - Rian Johnson, The Art of The Last Jedi, 2017
"In his own way, [Luke is] trying to disconnect, he’s trying to throw away the past, he’s saying 'Let’s kill [the Jedi] religion. It’s the thing that’s messing us up, thins thing right here, let’s kill it.’ And the truth is, it’s a personal failure. It’s not religion, it’s his own human nature that’s betrayed him." - Rian Johnson, The Empire Film Podcast, 2018
He fucked up, plain and simple.
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But it's not because “he’s a Jedi and that made him arrogant and the Jedi mentality is flawed”, as he claims early on in the movie.
He failed because he's flawed. Luke is human and had a moment of weakness where he was scared shitless and acted on instinct.
Yoda's spirit helps him realize this, and he fixes his mistake by allowing Leia and the resistance to save themselves. And as he does it, he acknowledges the importance of the Jedi and their teachings.
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And it's also why, in The Rise of Skywalker, he has the maturity to admit that he wasn't staying on the island out of some self-sacrificial gesture, as he kept telling himself. Truth is, he was afraid. Afraid he'd screw up again.
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Do the movies go about this in an emotionally-satisfying way? That's debatable. But, on paper, I don't think Luke's behavior in The Last Jedi is too much of a shark-jump considering how
THE ORIGINAL IDEA CAME FROM GEORGE LUCAS!
In the couple of months after the Disney sale, Lucas developed the Sequels with Michael Arndt in late 2012/early 2013, and concept art was made by artists like Christian Alzmann.
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Note: the image on the left got a “Fabouloso” stamp of approval from Lucas!
Lucas’ sequels would feature a Luke Skywalker who was a figure like the jaded, reclusive Colonel Kurtz in the movie Apocalypse Now (which, fun fact, Lucas helped write and was originally set to direct).
The reason why Luke was in self-imposed exile wasn’t specified, all we know is that he was:
hiding from the world in a cave,
haunted by the betrayal of one of his students,
and spiritually in a dark place.
Other concept artists, like James Clyne, tried to illustrate the First Jedi Temple and some of the designs were approved by Lucas, such as the one below.
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Eventually, Kira the female Jedi-wannabe protagonist (who eventually became Rey) would seek him out so he can train her.
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This Luke would be a much more prominent part of Episode VII (instead of only appearing at the end) but still died at the end of Episode VIII.
For sources and more information about George Lucas’ plans for the Sequel Trilogy, read this post.
The only part that wasn't detailed by Lucas were the specifics of why he went into exile. But all in all, this sounds pretty similar to what we got in The Last Jedi.
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"Luke would never try to kill Ben!”
I agree. And he didn’t try to kill Ben. He stopped himself.
And this version of the event?
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This didn’t happen.
What Kylo tells Rey is his version of the story. And he thinks he’s telling the truth... but his recollection of the event is warped as this was obviously a very traumatic event for him.
"I don't think he's lying actually. In my mind, that was his experience. [...] I think that it's probably twisted a little bit by Kylo's own anger and his own prejudices against Luke, but I feel like he's actually telling her the truth of his experience." - Rian Johnson, Star Wars: The Last Jedi commentary, 2017
The narrative frames the third version of the story as the one that’s objectively how events went down. Because Rey believes him, and Rey is both the protagonist and a stand-in for the audience.
Now, if you think Luke’s word is unreliable and you have an easier time trusting Kylo’s version of the story, go to town.
But I think that if you actually believe would Luke would never try to kill Ben, you’d take Luke's second retelling of the story at face value.
I know I do.
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“Okay, but he would never consider killing a child, like Ben. He saw the good in Darth Vader!”
First off, Luke refers to Ben as "a scared boy" because, he's a middle-aged man. But objectively, Ben was 23 years old.
But also, I mean... with Vader, Luke actually had the luxury ignorance.
Do you think would have truly gone on that Second Death Star if he had actually witnessed Vader:
choke his Padmé,
kill Obi-Wan,
actively try to kill Ahsoka,
murder Jedi younglings,
betray and hunt down his other Jedi brothers and sisters,
and cold-bloodedly kill countless innocents, one by one?
There’s a difference between watching him kill Ben Kenobi (who still ‘lived’ as a ghost and talked to him seconds later) and hearing a couple of rebel pilots get blasted in the trench run, and actually seeing all the horrors he’s committed.
Don't get me wrong, Luke knows Vader is evil, absolutely. But if he had seen this side of Vader, the needlessly cruel side...
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... I'm not sure he'd have been as compassionate.
Proof: Obi-Wan, someone who deeply loved Anakin (to the point where he could never bring himself to kill him), someone that genuinely wishes that Luke can redeem him... also feels that, realistically, attempting to do so would be pointless.
And hell, even without really seeing all the massacres Vader committed, the second the latter threatened his sister, Luke went berserk and almost killed him!
So the question becomes:
“What could make Luke - trained Jedi Master, long-time optimist and overall compassionate to a fault - consider killing Ben?”
All we’re told is that he looked into Ben’s mind and saw darkness and the destruction, pain, death, and the end of everything he loves.
The specifics are left to our imagination. They could include:
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the sight of Kylo slaughtering his parents and Chewie with a smile on his blood-smeared face,
the smell of Han's burning flesh in the air,
the wails of Chewbacca as he's run through by Kylo,
the faint sound of Leia's tears hitting the ground,
the destruction of the New Republic's citizens and planets.
Whatever it may have been, it was intense. Because Force-induced visions are vivid as hell, as has been shown throughout the franchise.
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It's not like watching something on a TV, you're there, all your senses are affected in an extremely powerful way.
And the vision Luke experienced scared him so much that even shortly after it, when looking at a sleeping young man, all he sees is that evil monster from the vision. So he tremblingly draws his saber.
But it's evident that Luke wasn't thinking clearly or rationally.
His base emotions had taken the wheel, he was being tempted by the Dark Side.
"He doesn’t give in to the Dark Side, it’s a moment of temptation to the Dark Side. It reminds me very much of when Vader is tempting Luke, when Luke is underneath the stairs in [Return of the] Jedi, lit with that very beautiful half-and-half, the duality of these two sides of him being pulled. And that’s really what that moment is for me, it’s a moment of temptation to the Dark Side for Luke." - Rian Johnson, IGN, 2017
And yet despite seeing all that... Luke catches himself.
It's not the first time that Luke almost does something horrible to a family member and catches himself. Again, 24 years prior, he almost murdered his own father in a fit of rage.
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The scene in Ben's hut intentionally parallels that outburst he has in Return of the Jedi.
A terrible future is presented before Luke.
He reacts instinctively, is tempted by the Dark Side.
He snaps out of it.
Even the angle and framing of the shot is designed to match:
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"Some of these parallels are just “it’s a close-up of the same character” but this one was very intentional. It’s why I had him look down at his mechanical hand holding the saber." - Rian Johnson, Twitter, 2019
The only real difference is that, in Return of the Jedi, Luke only comes to his senses after a frenzied onslaught during which he actively tried to kill his own Dad.
24 years later, despite having witnessed that terrible future even more vividly than he did on the Second Death Star, he catches himself merely seconds later. Instead of going on a whole rampage, he stops the moment the lightsaber turns on.
I'd call that "progress".
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"But Luke should've learned his lesson and known better than to give in to the Dark Side!"
Resisting the temptation of the Dark Side is by no means a one-and-done thing. It's not a power-up that you get, it's a constant struggle.
"I think it disrespects the character of Luke by treating him not as a true mythic hero overcoming recurring wounds & flaws, but as a video game character who has achieved a binary, permanent power-up." - Rian Johnson, Twitter, 2019
Dave Filoni says so too.
"In the end, it’s about fundamentally becoming selfless, moreso than selfish. It seems so simple, but it’s so hard to do. And when you’re tempted by the dark side, you don’t overcome it once in life and then you’re good. It’s a constant." - Dave Filoni, Rebels Remembered, 2019
Hell, even George Lucas stated something along those lines:
"The Sith practice the dark side and are way out of balance. The Jedi aren’t as much out of balance because they’re the light side of the Force. They still have the bad side of the Force in them, but they keep it in check. It’s always there, so it can always erupt if you let your guard down." - George Lucas, The Star Wars Archives: 1999-2005, 2020
Learning the lesson once doesn't mean you've learned it forever. Especially with the Dark Side, which poses a never-ending battle.
In-universe examples: Anakin learned to let go of his attachments during the “Padawan Lost” arc of TCW.
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A year and a half later, he’s butchering kids because he can’t let go of his attachments.
And during wartime, Yoda found himself repressing his darker instincts and ignoring their existence. Thus, when he had to face them, he struggled to acknowledge and control them.
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So considering Luke didn't go "rampage mode" with Ben, as he did when he tried to kill Vader, I think he deserves some credit.
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Finally, I've heard this insane argument many times, as a response to the above points:
"Yeah but Luke wasn't actually trying to kill Vader! He was holding back, he was trying to keep him alive!"
And, uh... no. He wasn't.
He lost his shit, folks. And almost killed Vader.
Like, right here?
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⬆️ If Vader hadn’t moved his saber to intercept Luke’s blade, Luke would’ve stabbed Vader in the face.
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⬆️ If Vader hadn’t held his sword up in time, SWISH, there goes the top of his helmet AT LEAST, if not the rest of his head.
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⬆️ If Vader hadn’t dodged he’d be chopped in two.
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⬆️ If Vader’s arm gave out slightly sooner, if his blade faltered just a little lower, if he loosened his grip on his saber a bit, Vader would be cleaved in two.
My point is that if you swing at someone with a lightsaber? They’ll get chopped. And if you aim for the head or the chest? You’re trying to kill them.
Before Luke got a grip, throughout that whole rampage, the only thing that kept Vader alive was his own skill.
Otherwise, Luke would’ve murdered him in a fit of rage.
If Luke was holding back, then the theme of "resisting the Dark Side" completely falls apart.
There's no indication that he was restraining himself, in he script.
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And just look at the imagery.
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Luke is surrounded by darkness, symbolizing how he's being seduced by the Dark Side, he's being tempted to give in to his anger towards the man who hurt his friends and took his hand.
Then Vader threatens Leia.
And the next time we see Luke, he's silhouetted, his face is all black.
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Luke was originally trying to hold back and talk Vader down, but fails to control his instincts and gives in to fear, to anger, to the Dark Side... and goes all out.
He swings at his father furiously and keeps swinging, until he cuts off Vader's hand... and he is about to deliver the final blow…
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… when he sees Vader’s mechanical hand and realizes that by giving in to his anger, that path will inevitably lead him to become exactly like this half-machine half-man laying at his feet. That’s where the path to power leads.
And so he makes a decision:
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He’s a Jedi. Like his father before him. His compassion for Anakin is stronger than his hate for Vader.
That's the narrative intent.
It has to be.
Because if he had been "holding back" throughout that entire bit, then the stakes are lowered immeasurably, John Williams' saddening score is misplaced, the lightsaber choreography is misleading, etc.
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For the above-listed reasons, I think Luke's portrayal in The Last Jedi doesn't really contradict anything in the previously-established lore. It works, it's the typical "old cowboy needs to get back in the saddle" trope. Frankly, I can defend this subject all day long... so where's the problem?
The problem comes in at an out-of-universe level. While it's not inconsistent... it's also not satisfying.
The thing is, if you...
... take one of the most brave and optimistic characters in the franchise, then open the film saying "well, now he's jaded and in hiding", without giving us context on how he became that way...
... take a character whose arc was specifically about controlling his emotions, then show him be ruled by those emotions without providing context for what made him do that...
... then that kills the suspension of disbelief, for a lot of fans.
And, as such, they'll have a much harder time going along with what you're saying.
Because "show, don't tell" is one of the most basic principles in visual storytelling. And we weren't shown:
"Ben being increasingly violent during training",
"Luke sitting Ben down and having a talk with him, only to be ignored" or
"the horrors Luke saw in Ben's head".
I have no doubt that those things happened, in-universe.
But if we're talking about a movie-going experience, many were left emotionally-unsatisfied.
Because all that stuff was in there... but only subtextually. It was up to the fans to imagine on the details. Normally, I'd argue that's what Star Wars is all about: allowing fans to dream and think outside the box. But in this specific case, I think many fans would've rather had a more complete and explicit story. Because it's Luke Skywalker.
And yet... even these structural and writing issues had a logic behind them, and if you ask me... there was no other direction that this story could be taken in.
We'll explore this in more detail in part 2/2.
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palominodragon · 1 year
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I love it when I'm reading a Reylo fanfic and a scene echoes something from TLJ or TROS, but then I look at the date and it was written when only TFA was out.
What's really funny is how frequently that happens. Reylo fandom had it figured out.
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darth-memes · 13 days
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limecakeluke · 2 months
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??????? ???OH MY GFUCKING GODDDD1!1!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!
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sepublic · 11 months
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            Actually, continuing off of an idea I brought up in my previous post…
         So imagine this alternate take for the Sequel Trilogy I’ve considered. Rey and Luke are interested in exploring the origins of the Jedi, and there are three planets in canon/legends contested as the origin of the Jedi order; Tython, Jedha, and Ahch-To. So what if they’re all true, in that each was the site of a pivotal development for the Jedi order’s creation? So naming one planet as the home/origin of the Jedi is true, from a certain point of view…
         If the first film of this redone Sequel Trilogy is introducing us to the conflict and new situation, following how Rey joins the Jedi, then the second will start delving into the Unknown Regions and their relation to the Jedi’s history. But first, Luke and Rey must learn backwards, using psychometry through the force to understand the story of the first Jedi (who I’m gonna make female, just because).
         Tython is a sensible place to start, near the core and the latest point in the timeline; There, they glimpse into the past and watch as travelers crash land on Tython. There, they meet people calling themselves the Jedi, led by their leader. She explains their whole deal, how the Jedi arrived here because Tython was so verdant in life, and thus a good place to connect with the Force. The Jedi demonstrate their kindness and compassion, and even recruit someone amongst this crew of explorers, that sort of thing.
         Next is Jedha, which is closer to the Unknown Regions, and away from the core. There, Luke and Rey watch as the first Jedi helps the refugees she rescued settle on this new planet; It’s a good place to hide as they flee from the persecution of the Knights of Ren. The first Jedi explains how she felt drawn to this place by the force, how she heard a singing, and uncovers kyber crystals.
         The vision skips forward a bit, and we see the invention of the first lightsaber; The first Jedi forges the hilt from blackened metal shards, mentioning something about how something that was used for attack can now be used to defend. The shards are melted and reforged into the casing that holds her kyber crystal, and the first lightsaber is ignited for the first time. This is the birth of the lightsaber, and the Jedi’s symbiotic bond with kyber, which fits since Jedha is known for being kyber-rich.
         We find out how a society has formed on Jedha, as people look into the nature of the Force. Not all are Force-sensitive, but most are interested in the teachings of the first Jedi that led them here. Tython is discovered, and the first Jedi wants everyone to move there instead, since it’s much better equipped to cultivate a bond with the Force; However, many are comfortable where they are. Rather than make people follow her, the first Jedi manages to compromise (instead of dealing in absolutes), deciding the civilization will remain on Jedha; But those who are force-sensitive and learning under the first Jedi, will go to Tython to learn there.
         There’s the unspoken implication that the term ‘Jedi’ originated as a description of these people who hailed from the world Jedha and considered it their home; And as these people were the ones who began and comprised this religious order, they became synonymous with it, hence the name Jedi for those who wield the Force.
         Finally, we bring it back to where it all started, on Ahch-To, located in the Unknown Regions. It’s a forgotten planet populated by the Lanai. Once again, psychometry is used at the site of the first Jedi temples… And Rey and Luke find themselves following a Knight of Ren, one wielding a katana. A threatening, masked figure, she and her fellow Knights butcher heretics on this ocean planet.
         But this Knight of Ren is separated from the rest after a battle, and nursed to health by local Lanai who still insisted on showing her kindness. Despite her insistence on suffering in pain, the Lanai argue that contrary to what the Ren dictates, pain is not noble; So take the painkillers. As she recovers, this Knight of Ren re-examines her relationship with the Force, connecting with the light side, meditating in nature, etc. Eventually, the other Knights of Ren find their missing comrade, and are ready to slaughter/indoctrinate the Lanai in the name of the Ren.
         But this Knight of Ren refuses; One of her former comrades fires a blaster bolt, and she swings her katana to deflect it. Being a metal weapon, it shatters into blackened shards… Her commander calls her by name, but she renounces it, choosing to return to her original name. And she announces it as she takes off her helmet, revealing… The first Jedi, whose name the audience, Rey, and Luke know by this point.
         Suddenly everything is recontextualized; The first Jedi was not some peaceful monk, not at first. She started off as a murderer and a butcher, a practitioner of the dark side… But through kindness and compassion that alleviated her suffering, she felt compelled to do the same. A weapon that had bathed in the blood of innocents was redeemed to protect others, and reborn into the first lightsaber, a tool of justice and defense. And I use a katana, since the Jedi are inspired by Samurai in real life; As are their techniques. So the implication is that the style the first Jedi used for her katana, she carried through to her lightsaber, which established a precedent for lightsaber techniques.
         The first Jedi is a parallel to Anakin Skywalker; Someone who killed in the name of the Dark Side, a masked villain who was injured. But when shown compassion, she redeemed herself, per Star Wars’ insistence on restorative justice and healing. She rediscovered her name after being given a new one in the service of evil. It’s a hopeful message, about how even the worst can become good, and how it’s never too late to change. The first Sith were rogue Jedi; The first Jedi was a rogue Knight of Ren. Like poetry, it rhymes.
         The first Jedi defeats the Knights of Ren, using just the force to pull their weapons out of their hands and crush them. The Knights of Ren attempt to attack with just their bare fists and the force, but the first Jedi is so powerful and attuned that she casually keeps them at bay. Humiliated and beaten, they retreat, but one does look back a final time; It’s implied this Knight of Ren is a friend of the first Jedi that is seen in the previous flashbacks, which happen after this event.
         The first Jedi thanks the Lanai, and decides something must be done about the suffering in the galaxy. She gathers the remains of her weapon and flies into space, determined to protect others from the Knights of Ren and their crusades, and bring balance to the Force. A few times she returns to Ahch-To to meditate, builds some humble huts and writes a few texts; But eventually she and a group of refugees explain their plan to escape to a planet beyond the reach of the Knights of Ren, one that ‘sings’ to the first Jedi… The Lanai appreciate, but turn down their offer to follow, as their home planet is important. But they will never forget the first Jedi, and tend to her legacy in her name.
        Rey and Luke return from their shared vision, stunned. This changes everything they’ve known about the Jedi order… But at the same time, reaffirms what they have known. With a new understanding, they become more attuned to the Force, Rey particularly, which sets them up for the big climax of the film.
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krings2 · 2 years
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나는 젊은 제다이가 포그의 이동을 이용하여 아키토를 떠나왔을 거라 생각한다.
-A little Supreme reader
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amberskyyking · 7 months
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I was today years old when I learned this site is all about being a nerd
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Here’s some very nerd sunset art! Cause why not?
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“But Luke sensed that Kylo Ren was just a shell around the same broken boy he had tried so hard to reach.” 
-The Last Jedi
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