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lizisthecoolest · 4 months
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basically a summary of civil war tony
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sofia-falcon · 5 months
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Bro what are these tags? 🤣🤣🤣, gotta love Stark stans that go off the fucking deep end
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gay-jewish-bucky · 8 months
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ngl, i know he's just making thit shit up to make it seem like endgame was planned for a long time, but honestly the funniest shit he's said
i personally wanted tony to die the minute he objectified nat
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starforgedthor · 9 months
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Did I unfollow a mutual who was spam posting Irondad-Spiderson content out of nowhere? Fucking absolutely. As a reminder; fuck billionaire, war-profiteer, accountability dodger, child endangerer, self-aggrandising, self-centred asshole Tony Stark. The only care he feels for Peter is out of -AT MOST- a guilty kind of moral obligation.
Tony has an actual child, and Peter already has a parental figure;
Aunt May loves Peter in the way you all project onto Tony Stark in Irondad scenarios, and unlike Irondad, that's canon. Argue with a mirror, I'm right.
Stan Aunt May, cowards.
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confused-much · 4 months
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I've seen some anti Steve Rogers posts and the level of delusions tony stans have is appalling.
They accuse Steve of being a hypocrite (why???) while ignoring the fact that Tony:
- created murder bot and then faced zero repercussions AND the blame for that murder bot fell on ALL Avengers somehow
- signed the Accords and then broke them when he involved Peter into the fight and when he left for Siberia
And you know what's the funniest? Almost every single villain in Tony movies (or even in Spider-Man movies) was Tony's creation.
And all villains in Steve's movies are outside of his influence (Hydra, the corrupted government).
So it speaks volumes about the kind of characters those two are.
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luna-rainbow · 1 year
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Ross’s quote about the Avengers ignoring sovereign borders comes up a lot and is often used to accuse Steve of American imperialism, so let’s have a look into it.
You've fought for us. Protected us. Risked your lives. While a great many people see you as heroes. There are some... who would prefer the word "vigilantes". What would you call a group of US-based, enhanced individuals, who routinely ignores sovereign borders and inflict their will wherever they choose and who, frankly, seem unconcerned about what they leave behind them?
Sooo. Civil War was a terrible piece of world-building. The first problem is that it came way too early in the franchise, not just for the fracture between Tony and Steve to be anywhere near meaningful, but also the number of missions preceding this that would actually fit Ross’s accusations.
Let’s look at all the MCU movies so far leading up to Civil War:
Iron Man 1-3
Captain America 1-2
Thor 1-2
Ant-Man
Avengers 1-2
Hulk
(Guardians of the Galaxy)
Cap 1 took place in WW2, Cap 2 took place mostly on US soil, with the exception of the Lemurian Star which was a SHIELD mission. Thor wasn’t part of Civil War but he was dealing with extraterrestrial threats that came to Earth. Avengers 1 similarly - the only time the team was out of US was to confront Loki in Germany, and again that was under the supervision of SHIELD. Ant-Man also happened in US territory.
The only person on the team who “routinely ignores sovereign borders and inflict their will” without any oversight was Tony. He did it in IM1 against the Ten Rings. In IM2 he opens the movie with:
I'm not saying that the world is enjoying its longest period of uninterrupted peace in years because of me (...) I’m not saying that Uncle Sam can kick back on a lawn chair, sipping on an iced tea because I haven’t come across anyone who’s man enough to go toe-to-toe with me on my best day.
It is implied - the showing was done in the first movie - that Tony continued his "peace-keeping" activities which consisted of zipping into other countries and blasting everything with fire.
Never forget that even Rhodey assessed Tony as:
As he does not operate within any definable branch of government, Iron Man presents a potential threat to the security of both the nation and to her interests.
Operating outside the law was started by Tony, not by Steve or any of the other (original) Avengers, most of whom were working for SHIELD until they had to bring it down themselves to stop Hydra from killing millions of people.
The narrative problem lies in the vacuum between Captain America 2 and Captain America 3. Avengers 2 deftly avoided discussing who was overseeing their operations, and by the time Cap 3 rolls around they're suddenly a privately operated group of vigilantes?
Speaking of Avengers 2, that's the time someone decided to make a “global peacemaking initiative” without involving his team, much less the global community.
Bruce Banner: So you're going for artificial intelligence and you don't want to tell the team.
Tony Stark: Right. That's right, you know why, because we don't have time for a city hall debate. I don't want to hear the "man was not meant to meddle" medley. I see a suit of armor around the world.
Tony knew the ethical implications and the risks of this but forged ahead anyway. Said murder-bot went all over the world intent on human extinction while the Avengers tried to chase him down. We can argue over whether it was appropriate for Avengers to intervene with Ultron before waiting for the UN to have their emergency committee hearing in 3 days, but I think the key is the Avengers risked their lives to tidy up Tony's their own mess, which is what accountability and dealing with the consequence is all about.
And that's the crux of Steve's argument, which I think a lot of people gloss over.
We are (giving up) if we're not taking responsibility for our actions. This document just shifts the blames.
The Accords passes the buck upwards to the UN…this means both the decisions and the responsibility for the decisions go elsewhere. The situation that riled Tony up in the first place was a mother telling him “I blame you” for Sokovia. Assuming we ignore Tony’s role in creating Ultron, how would oversight have changed the situation? They wouldn’t have been able to create Vision off the cuff, nor would they have been allowed to recruit the twins. The people in Sokovia? Would still have died, and likely far more of them because of a slower response.
But what Tony is saying is if they had oversight, the mother wouldn’t have marched up to him and blamed him. Or as Steve points out, he could shift that blame onto the UN.
Steve’s version of accountability is about taking ownership of their mistakes and finding a solution. Tony’s version of accountability is having someone else make the call and take the blame. (* I feel like this is a thing a lot of people - often young - get confused about. Accountability isn’t just about having someone telling you what to do. Some people and some organisations find themselves in the rare position of having no direct oversight, but they still need to have accountability measures in place - look at the UN Charter for example)
Going back to my original point, the only one shown to routinely ignore sovereign borders and inflict his will wherever he pleases was Tony. The one operating outside government sanction for the majority of his appearances was Tony. The one actively seeking out “criminals” and trying to “win a war before it starts” has always been Tony. Tony might not be the one wearing the red white and blue but he’s the only one gloating about having done the job for “Uncle Sam”. The greatest advocate for American imperialism was Tony, not Steve.
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hipeopleandrobots · 9 months
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Does anyone else just hate when people act like Tony Stark was such a great person or is it just me?
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thewhinesofmoria · 10 months
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2023 and fools still try to claim Scott only hated T0ny because of Hank and Steve.
Never mind the fact that St*ve never once badmouthed T0ny to Sc0tt and Sc0tt canonically disliked him before he ever even met Hank.
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He’s basically R*bin Hood and “hate[s] violence,” so it shouldn’t be shocking that he hates a billionaire weapons manufacturer. Not to mention how after they met, Tonky basically put him in the Raft, constantly insulted him, and is the reason the five years he lost with C-ssie stuck.
But, no, anyone who hates him is just stupid somehow and should repent and lEaRn ThE eRrOr oF tHeIr WaYs. *gag*
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ifandomus · 2 years
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Well, no wonder why they supported Tony and the Sokovia Accords; they don't see the enhanced characters as human beings either.
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cixxsxturn · 10 months
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"tony's a good person-" tony joked about reinstating prima nocta what are you ON??? that's a shitty sense of humour and misogynistic to the CORE what the fuck
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I really should have talked about this author when I did my “good MCU fanfics” rec series a few weeks ago, but to be honest, there’s so much to recommend with this author that they get their own separate post. 
Basically, ever since 2017 this author has been writing counters to all the things crazy Tony stans say, and pointing out all the bad things Tony has done. I’m going to share some of my favorite ficlets with you now. Warning, there are a LOT.
Tony [Stark] has a lot to answer for - the author’s very first ficlet series in which they detail every way Tony wronged the other Avengers in Civil War. This one is only 12 chapters, so I don’t see the need to point out my faves as there are so few.
Actions Have Consequences [For Tony Stark] - highlights:
- May Parker finds out what Tony did to Peter in CW and gets him arrested
- The many problems with the Sokovia Accords
- My favorite if this collection; the Wanda chapter
- Team Cap did not rely on Tony’s money
- The Guardians of the Galaxy offer their take on the Accords
But Wait, There’s More [Prop-Tony Tropes]! - highlights
- Howard Stark would not approve of Tony’s actions
- Tony’s man-pain is not an excuse
- Wanda’s illusions were not mindrape
- Obadiah Stane’s under-the-table deals are not comparable to anything Bucky (or Wanda for that matter) went through
- Why the fuck would Ultron stop mid-fight to say that Wanda was responsible for creating him instead of Tony?
Inconvenient Truths About Propping Tony Stark - highlights:
- Tony’s gamble to kill Stane was not a sacrifice
- Nebula would be disgusted and horrified if she knew what Tony did in Siberia
- My favorite of these: after the Snap, Steve gets a visit from Wanda’s spirit thanking him for giving her a new family (this was written pre-Endgame where we learned everyone was totally deleted from existence)
And the [Prop-Tony] Tropes Just Keep on Coming - highlights:
- The idea that Tony could get the Accords amended is preposterous
- If Nebula learned about the Accords, she would be furious at Tony
- Steve crashing the Valkyrie in the ocean WAS a sacrifice
- Contacting the Nigerian authorities would not have stopped Rumlow
- There were absolutely civilians who supported Team Cap
- Vision would NEVER turn against Wanda
- Killing Vision immediately in Infinity War would have been a horrible idea
More Inconvenient Truths About Propping Tony Stark - highlights
- Pepper was probably aghast at Tony’s refusal to help undo the Snap
- Morgan could have seriously injured or killed herself with that helmet and gauntlet
- May Parker would be horrified if she learned about EDITH
- Tony never gave a shit about Vision
- Tony never cared about Wanda in the slightest
- The other Avengers would have personally arrested Tony if they learned about EDITH
- Tony was not left for dead in Siberia
- Tony was fine with letting the world burn so long as he got his perfect life
- If Tony knew about the Accords ahead of time, that makes him even more despicable than he already is
- Shooting Sam point-blank was arguably the worst thing Tony could have done
- Team Cap DID face the consequences of their actions
- If Tony tried to tell Wanda he wasn’t responsible for her parents deaths, she would absolutely school him
- The Avengers would have been better off without Tony (this one is a DC crossover in which Luicis Fox and Superman take Tony’s place in the first Avengers movie)
- Tony may or may not have designed the sonic cannons Ross used on the Hulk
- Rhodey was not given a suit during the climax of Iron Man 3, and that was dumb
- Tony never gave Nebula a second glance after getting back to Earth
- Peter would cut ties with Tony completely if he learned about Siberia
- The SHIELD data dump was carefully planned
- Bucky would NEVER, EVER turn on Steve
- Bruce would be disgusted with Tony for supporting the Accords
- None of the Avengers tried to kill Tony during Age of Ultron
- If Wanda has to stand trial after Age of Ultron, then so does Tony
- Pepper and Rhodey would be furious at Tony if they knew what happened in Siberia
So Many [Prop-Tony] Tropes So Little Time - highlights:
- If Clint learned about Tony’s refusal to help undo the Snap while he was still Ronin, he would most likely have taken drastic measures
- The Doctor would never in his/her two thousand years of life or beyond support Tony (this one was particularly cathartic as a Doctor Who fan)
- Wanda does not have to forgive Tony just because Yinsen did
- Rhodey and Vision would both blow their stacks if they knew who Peter was
- Sarah Rogers would be proud of Steve for standing up to Tony
- Pietro Maximoff would NEVER support the Accords, much less take Tony’s side over his own sister’s
- Peggy Carter would be ashamed of Tony
- Steve is an actual captain
- Team Cap would not leave Scott (or anyone else) behind if they could help it
- T’Challa would not refuse to help get Wanda’s shock collar off
- If you seriously think a World War Two veteran would support Tony over Steve, you are delusional
- If Tony and Gamora ever met, she would not like him
- Maria Stark would not approve of Tony’s actions
- Steve having that checklist in Winter Soldier is not indicative of his skills as a leader
- Wanda would never side with Tony over Steve
- Nigeria did not support the Accords
- The universe would have been better off if Tony had gotten shot down instead of Rhodey and he went to Siberia instead
- Bruce never tried to hurt or kill Wanda in Infinity War or Endgame
- Why the fuck would Asgard support the Accords?
- There is no canonical proof that Wanda or Pietro were formally trained by Hydra
- Scott was probably horrified at the fact that Tony did nothing to help after the Snap
- If Sam actually did get shot down, Tony at least would probably have just kept going after the Quin-Jet
- If for whatever reason Wanda had cast her Hex in the ruins of the Avengers Compound while everyone was still there, it would not have lasted very long at all
- Abraham Erskine would probably hate Tony
- Michelle Jones would have had Tony running out of Peter’s apartment like a bitch if she had been with Peter that day
- If Tony forced the Avengers to choose between him and Wanda, they would choose Wanda
- May and Ben Parker would NEVER be pro-Accords
- Wanda convincing Tony to start spending his money on the world would be a good thing
- Wanda and Bucky never met until Leipzig
- If Logan Howlett randomly showed up in Leipzig, he would be on Team Cap
- If Redwing was sapient, it wouldn’t betray Team Cap for Tony
- If Howard and Maria Stark were deep-frozen in Siberia, they would horrified to see what Tony was doing
-If Tony summoned Khonsu to kill Team Cap, he would be the only one Khonsu would kill
Ghosts of Conversations Past -  in which Tony’s awful words are reacted to more appropriately. Highlights:
- Bruce is furious at Tony for saying Steve should have been left on ice
- Peter dumps Tony upon realizing his deception
- Wanda and Pietro actually get to call out Tony for claiming that arms dealing was never his life
- Revealing Clint’s family to Ross was arguably the most evil thing Tony ever did
- Natasha is internally hurt at Tony’s callous insult after Leipzig
- Steve explodes at Tony over his WMD crack
- Bruce reacts more appropriately to Tony’s story in Iron Man 3
- Remember that double whammy homophobic AND transphobic comment in Iron Man 1?
- Stane’s final quip about Tony was 100% true
- Tony sticking it to Congress directly contradicts him being pro-Accords
- That famous gif of Tony rolling his eyes only exists because he is a jackass
- Vulture gets to take his explanation further and rants about Tony’s callousness
- Tony is a massive hypocrite
- Tony not paying the Avengers is completely in character
- Per No Way Home, Tony had a Star Trek Matter Replicator and never shared it with anyone
You Could Make a Case for That - assorted headcanons realized. Highlights:
- Morgan being a robot would have made about as much sense as what we got
- If Strucker’s pedestal for Loki’s scepter was booby-trapped, Tony would have died, and the universe would have been better off
- Tony insisting that Wanda and Pietro belonged in prison would be wildly hypocritical
- The Infinity Stones may or may not have made sure Tony died
- That deleted scene from Endgame where Tony shaves Rocket is 100% in character for him, and it is awful
- Tony not wanting to undo the Blip might have made more sense if Morgan was adopted after being orphaned by the Snap, but that would definitely have made him even more despicable
- If Mantis read Tony’s emotions, she would feel nothing but egotism and rage
- Whether Novi Grad was bombed by Hydra, NATO, or whoever, Tony is stil responsible for his bombs being sold to them
- If Pepper went to Siberia via the Rescue suit, she would be on Steve’s side
- the villains of the MCU liking Tony is not a good thing (this one was a rebuttal to a specific Tony stan fic)
- Tony failing SHIELD’s evaluation in Iron Man 2 was completely fair
- Tony has a lot in common with Lex Luthor
- Vulture didn’t reveal Peter’s identity, and Loki didn’t reveal Clint’s family, but Tony did
- The fact that Tony and Bruce were nowhere near an interface when Ultron came online is irrelevant; the mere fact that they had plugged in evil alien tech is the problem
- Steve did not hurt Tony by disabling his suit in Siberia
- Vision and Shuri probably helped keep Team Cap off the radar
- Goose the Flerken would not like Tony
- Steve and Tony on Vormir together would not work at all
- Tony has a lot in common with Kang
- If the other two Peter Parkers learned about Tony during No Way Home, they would be horrified that MCU Peter looked up to him
- If Tony had tried to rebuild the world after the Snap, he probably would have made things even worse
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ivecaughtawritingbug · 11 months
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So I saw on Facebook some Stark Stan arguing that “the rocket that blew up the Maximoffs had to have been stolen by Iron Monger or a fake using Stark Industries casing.” Stans really will come up with anything to remove blame from Stark, won’t they?
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stank-tony · 10 months
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kill yourself
the upside would be that i can bully tony personally in hell
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gay-jewish-bucky · 3 months
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did y'all hear anything?
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themoonking · 11 months
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of all the fanons that tony stark stans made popular, nothing will ever confuse me like the “tony stark and peggy carter were incredibly close and he thought of her like his aunt” one. like just made up whole cloth, and it went largely unchallenged.
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cblgblog · 9 months
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Is it a common MCU fandom thing for people to write anti fic? Asking because there are so many fics tagged with Steve on Ao3 that turn him and like basically any of his allies into mustache twirling villains or complete idiots because they disagreed with Tony or didn't kiss the Starks' asses enough, or something, and they can be hard to filter even if you exclude the critical and not friendly tags. I saw some yesterday that were about Steve carelessly spreading tuberculosis and Peggy being blamed for Howard's assassination at the pearly gates like what even??? I have no idea if this is common on all sides of the fandom, like if lots of pro-Steve people write OOC anti-Tony fic I haven't seen it but it could be out there. It just seems like a huge waste of time and effort to write all about characters you hate and how cartoonishly awful and terrible they are, instead of characters you actually care about.
Oh anti-Steve nonsense is super common. Like you said, the Tony stans do it against Steve or anyone who didn’t punch Steve in the face. They do it to May Parker, turn her into an abusive sociopath so best dad ever Tony can rescue him from the awful life she gave him. Stuckies do it to Peggy because she’s awful and not Bucky. And filtering is awful because no one tags correctly.
As for if pro-Steve peeps do the same? Like you said, I haven’t seen it, but I’m sure there’s at least some, because there are all kinds of people on all sides of fandom. I personally don’t see it, but I also stay the hell away from tags and characters that I don’t like.
And remember kids, Steve Rogers gave me tuberculosis, and probably you too. What a bastard.
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