I'm wondering if you know, has anyone ever done something like an explanation or just a compilation list of intertextual references in Howl's Moving Castle? (as in, references to other literary works within the book) because I know there are such references, like what Howl sometimes quotes etc but I have only ever heard of a couple here and there, and it would be cool to read about all of them in one place somewhere...
Hmm I don't remember seeing one, and I'm not cultured enough to catch them all, but you're right I'd love to see it
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Looking beyond the traditional interpretation of Ophelia’s Death:
Okay, @wokecola !
So, I wasn’t sure how to answer this at first because Ophelia has been analyzed so much, I wasn’t sure I had anything to break down that you wouldn’t be able to read somewhere else. But then! I was reading an article about the parallels between Anna Karenina and Ophelia (as they are similar characters - I will link the article), and this article opened my eyes to something I have never realized before in all the times I’ve read the play.
Shakespeare never explicitly tells us that Ophelia killed herself.
I’m sometimes guilty of accepting traditional interpretations at face value, but I was so fascinated by this point, I immediately changed my perspective on the character!
I always find Ophelia to be kind of a weak spot in the masterpiece that is Hamlet. She’s so, so strong in the first couple of acts. I dearly love her first scene with Laertes, and in many versions, her non-verbal blocking with Hamlet can make their relationship quite compelling. However, post-Polonius’s death, I struggle to connect with her grief. The best Ophelia I’ve seen is probably Jessica Brown Findlay in Andrew Scott’s production, but even the best Ophelia can’t overcome the stilted, awkward flowers scene, and the difficulty of singing madly on stage. The Public’s 2023 production’s choice to make Ophelia a singer throughout the play somewhat successfully mitigated this awkwardness, but… not entirely. This is just my opinion. But I’m always a bit taken out of the action when I hear Ophelia start to repeat ‘goodnight.’
All to say, Ophelia is an interesting case. Whereas Hamlet and Lear’s madness on stage, for example, both seem entirely natural, Ophelia’s… doesn’t. To me, at least.
But suspend your disbelief for a minute, and let me present an alternate theory.
What we know:
In act four, scene seven, Gertrude tells us that, Ophelia was making heartlands of flowers and stringing then around the trees when she “fell into the weeping brook” and continued singing in an unnatural way until her clothes got too heavy with water and pulled her “to muddy death.”
(I am obviously paraphrasing.)
But at no point does Gertrude state that Ophelia’s death was a suicide. It’s the gravediggers who suggest this, and in fact, I would argue that the grave digging scene weighs against the probability that it was a suicide, because the gravediggers specifically comment on how odd it is that she is allowed a Christian burial after taking her own life. They speculate on how else it could’ve happened.
So, if Ophelia didn’t kill herself, was it just an accident?
Well, let’s take this one step further.
I want to direct your attention to Act one, scene four, when Hamlet is pursuing his father’s ghost.
At this point, Horatio says, “What if it tempts you toward the flood, my lord? / Or to the dreadful summit of the cliff / that beetles o’er his base into the sea, / and there assume some other horrible form / which might deprive you your sovereignty of reason / and draw you into madness? Think of it.”
Okay. So. Do you see where I’m going with this?
Horatio is afraid that the ghost of Hamlet’s father will lure him into a body of water and drown him, or drive him to madness.
And what exactly happened to Ophelia again…?
Obviously this isn’t a watertight (heh) argument/analysis, but I think it’s fascinating!
Shakespeare, as we know, does everything for a reason. And Horatio’s fear is… specific. It’s very specific. Maybe he had knowledge of something like this happening before. Hell, maybe the ghost heard him and took inspiration.
My primary assertion here is that a ghost may have indirectly killed Ophelia. It may have even been the ghost of Hamlet’s father.
Additionally, Hamlet and Ophelia are, in a way, foils. When Hamlet’s father dies, he takes it out on others. When Ophelia’s father dies, she internalizes the pain and takes it out on no one but herself. Is it possible that she saw a ghost too? Is it possible that Hamlet Sr. wanted her dead?
I mean, we don’t know about Hamlet and Ophelia’s relationship before the play. Maybe Hamlet’s dad kept them apart. Maybe he didn’t approve of her.
We just don’t know.
The idea, to me, that Ophelia may have been tormented in the exact same way Hamlet was, is mind boggling and transformative.
I also love the idea that she didn’t kill herself!!
What do you think? Let’s have a discussion!
The article I referenced above:
https://www.jstor.org/stable/43909432
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To be fair, King Hamlet may have also CAUSED young Hamlet’s mental illness. That is also very plausible lmao.
Yeah hamlet most definitely did not have a functional family. it’s where he gets his attachment issues
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