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aziraphale-rights · 9 months

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So, what is the deal with the world’s most conspicuously uneaten Eccles cakes? (A meta)

Well, I wouldn’t say it’s bad writing, not even the on-purpose-as-a-secret-message kind. I agree there is a visual ‘loose thread’ here that the creators wanted us to notice, but I don’t think the meaning has anything to do with Metatron or the eventual plan for S3. I think the eccles cakes are all about what’s going on in this episode with Crowley and Aziraphale, and they’re unsettling in exactly the way they’re meant to be, even if we might not register the full implications consciously on first watch.

On the most straightforward level, this shot is the punchline to a joke set up by Aziraphale and Nina in the coffee shop. Crowley orders six shots of espresso, bound to get him all worked up and stressy. Aziraphale, who desperately wants Crowley to be thinking clearly when he learns about the Gabriel situation, says to Nina: ‘What do you sell that calms people down?’ And she replies: ‘Eccles cakes.’ From this moment on the cakes are a visual symbol of what Aziraphale needs from Crowley right now.

That’s why they get so much screentime as we cross the road and go into the shop. Aziraphale won't leave those eccles cakes behind because he’s still hoping that Crowley will respond to the request they represent: Please stay calm, please be patient and listen to me with empathy.

But Crowley never does respond, and as he storms out we get that close-focus shot of the abandoned plate to make sure the subtext hits home. The cakes are framed sitting in front of the horse statue, brilliantly dressed up in Crowley's sunglasses, to remind us that they were brought there for him and he's dismissing them. (Crowley is the frantic horse who can't be managed!)

There’s another level to it, though, which doesn’t fully become clear until episode 6. The episode 1 meeting in Nina’s café is the first time that Aziraphale and Crowley share a scene in the present-day in S2, which means that the last time we saw them together was when they were dining at the Ritz. As viewers, we quickly recognise the visual language of their partnership: a table for two, a drink, a dessert. It feels familiar. But the food gets delivered and then nobody eats it. On that level, it is a set-up without a pay-off and it really niggles as you watch. S1 closed out their relationship with a happy toast after a resplendent dinner; S2 opens it with a snack that gets ignored. The dynamics of who offers food to whom are also off, atypical. It’s a sign of how things are going to go later on, hinting at the fact their dynamic is dysfunctional right now, even though it might seem OK on the surface.

Which brings me, finally, on to the other thing I’ve wanted to point out…

The punchline is that Crowley doesn’t eat the eccles cakes, but the really subconsciously disconcerting thing is that Aziraphale doesn’t. That he seemingly never planned to, and never orders anything for himself. In fact, we don’t see Aziraphale eat anything substantial in any of the present-day scenes in S2. The only things he consumes onscreen are sherry, tea, and a travel sweet. (Oh, and Manipulation Coffee, which is definitely a callback to Crowley’s disastrous sextuple-espresso.) We see him with food, yes, but primarily he wants to give it to other people.

For me this little detail of S2 – not something you even fully notice until you think about it – is a very telling understated cue in terms of Aziraphale’s post-Heaven state of mind. It's about what amuseoffyre puts so well in another meta: 'the whole series looks like he’s having so much fun doing silly human things, but there’s this brittleness to it.' At first glance, we see Aziraphale interacting with food and assume he is now living the happy Earthly life we wanted for him, but on closer inspection he's not engaging much in the pleasure of eating for his own sake. He gets a quick sweet pick-me-up on his way somewhere else in the Bentley - all alone - and that's it. He's too anxious, too busy, he doesn't have time. Crowley doesn't have time to invite him for lunch.

I find it fascinating that Gabriel gets a squillion cups of cocoa in this season, waxing all lyrical about them, and Aziraphale gets none. Aziraphale's mug becomes Jim's mug, even. And he mostly makes the tea to show Muriel how to blend in. In short, S2 Aziraphale is terribly preoccupied with looking after/managing others, and not taking the time to look after himself. Like the Maggie and Nina match-making, all that kindly treat-offering is displacement, displacement, displacement.

No wonder it all goes wrong.

#SORRY for image quality #good omens spoilers #good omens meta #good omens #takes by me

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archiephd · 2 years

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my sister cut my hair way shorter than either of us anticipated and i just remembered i have a job interview tomorrow..... which is also the same day we have to drive out of town to get a quote on fixing her car’s shattered skylight. anyway i will look cute af doing all of it

#it's so much shorter than i imagined but like she did a rly good job?? and it looks so cute #straightened it was giving shiv s3 air dried it's giving the sister from atypical #j.txt

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vidavalor · 11 days

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Ok fine, I brought milk and chocolate chip cookies this time 🥛 🍪 and also some eggs from my lovely chickens! 🐓 🥚

I hope you accept this apology, and I’ll try my best to behave 😜

So, I wonder how you interpret 1.03 where, just before the flood, one of the unicorns makes a run for it and Crawley says ‘you still got one of them’? Some people seem to believe this means she didn’t understand the process of procreation (at the time). Do you have any thoughts on that?

Please don't behave. Why would you want to do that? Would make this all very boring lol. 😂 Thank you for the very fun ask. I love this question.💕

I think the scene you're talking about is more than a funny aside about whether or not Crowley had finished reading Demon's Guide to Reproduction of Beings on Earth yet... and that might not be the question the scene is really asking. I think it also has a ton to do with the Final Fifteen of 2.06, too, so *slices pie* let's get into the unicorns and the professional midwife/cobbler and what, imo, these two moments have to do with one another:

In S1, in the scene set just before the beginning of The Flood, we have two questions emerge from Crowley's dialogue, both of which are then picked up again in S2. One is what Crowley meant by "kids" when he said "you can't kill kids" after looking at a group containing both small goats and children. The second question is the one you're talking about, which is whether or not he understood at the time how human reproduction works. The question is born out of the fact that, on the surface, he might appear to not exactly be grasping the concept of Noah's Ark when he says that Shem's "still got one of them" after one of the pair of unicorns takes off and doesn't get on the boat. Both things show back up together again in S2 in the Job minisode and that sort of continuation of story, in a way, might suggest that there's going to be a third layer to this that emerges in S3 as well. I think, though, that we might have enough to look at some potential answers already.

While the "kids" bit is, essentially, answered and was always more of a language joke anyway-- Crowley wishes to kill no kids, be them goats or humans-- the fact that this question returned in S2 and was tied once again with a plot centered around sex and reproduction shows that the questions raised in The Flood scene in S1 are interrelated and pretty important overall. The entire Job plot ultimately comes down to who knows what about human reproduction. Saving the kids comes down to fooling Gabriel and fooling Gabriel can only be done because Gabriel, at least at the time, did not have the first clue how human reproduction normally works. He had only seen this one, initial, very atypical version of it that has basically never happened since and because he didn't spend time on Earth at that point in the story, he didn't know he had it all wrong. This whole story is built around what someone's understanding of reproduction of another species is and it isn't Crowley who doesn't know how it all works by 2500 B.C., it's Gabriel. But what does this have to do with The Flood and Crowley and the unicorns?

In the Job minisode, we are told that Gabriel was in The Garden at the start of it and witnessed Eve's birth from Adam's rib. We find this hilarious because we know that this isn't how sex works and this time, in this scene, Crowley is more than in on the joke with us. What makes the scene funny is actually Crowley's knowledge in it of how human sex and reproduction work. Unlike Gabriel, he wasn't there for Eve's super-weird birth and so he's visibly trying not to be like what the actual fuck? this is how Eve was made? at Aziraphale as Aziraphale's gestures lead Crowley to telling Sitis to pull out one of Job's ribs-- absolutely not a feature of any sex Crowley has ever had or seen. Aziraphale then is flirting with a Crowley who totally gets the joke when Sitis pulls the ox ribs "out" of Job. It's very evident between this scene and the prior night in the cellar that, circa 2500 B.C. at least, Crowley absolutely knew how human sex and reproduction worked.

The key bit here to understanding what Crowley was saying about the unicorns back during The Flood is actually in the reminder in the Job minisode about The Garden that the minisode gives us through making the plot equally about what Gabriel saw in The Garden-- Eve's weird conception and birth-- but also about what Gabriel didn't see-- Adam and Eve have more human-typical sex-- which is something that Crowley set into motion and then something that he and Aziraphale both witnessed.

By bringing up how Gabriel doesn't know what human sex and reproduction normally look like because of what he saw (and missed) in The Garden of Eden, the show is also reminding us that, after Gabriel left, Crowley was sent up into The Garden and tempted Eve into eating the apple. Eve then shared the apple with Adam. Adam and Eve figured out sex not long after that, during a period of time in which both Aziraphale and Crowley were also in The Garden and Eve's pregnancy was one of Aziraphale's motivations for giving them his flaming sword.

Mah point is that Crowley absolutely knew about sex and sexual reproduction during The Flood because Crowley and Aziraphale essentially watched the first humans have sex on Earth in The Garden of Eden.

The show also has about a half-dozen jokes about Anthony J. "Can I watchchch?" Crowley's voyeuristic tendencies and roots some of it to the fact that he's the Serpent of Eden and gets off on watching his temptation labors bear fruit. (It's been a long day. I have earned that joke😂). Ya know, such as:

This whole unicorn and sex thing is also part of the Job minisode by way of the ox ribs, further making it all kind of part of the same story. The inclusion of unicorns in ancient history in GO feels like a nod to the re'em, an animal mentioned a few times in The Bible (including in The Book of Job), which has been frequently translated as "unicorn" and is part of the origin for from where our idea of unicorns comes in the first place. The same word has been translated as meaning other animals-- among them? The wild ox.

Making things even more interesting is unicorn lore. The unicorn was said to be a wild, secretive creature who lived in the forest and who could only ever be captured and tamed by a virgin maiden. Aziraphale, in 2500 B.C., is shown to not eat or drink before the night in the cellar began so odds are also good on the food-and-alcohol = sex show that Aziraphale definitely qualified as a virgin maiden when he went to absolute town on those ox ribs. Anyway...

...what I'm saying here is that it feels extremely unlikely that, by the time of The Flood in 3,004 B.C., that Crowley didn't know how human sex and reproduction worked when he saw it play out in The Garden. Other than Eve's speedy stages of pregnancy meant to get the ball rolling on humanity, Adam and Eve's sex was typical of humans. So, Crowley knew about sex and sexual reproduction when he made the comment about the unicorns... but then how does that make sense, right?

In order to think that Crowley didn't know how reproduction works during The Flood scene we've seen, you would have to assume two things are true: 1) that unicorns reproduce via sexual reproduction and 2) that unicorns went extinct as a result of one of them making a run for it and not making it onto Noah's Ark, right?

The thing is... the show might be subtly trying to show that unicorns do still exist in GO. But before you say 'but, Vida, seriously?! We've never seen an unicorn after The Flood!', I'm going to argue that maybe we actually have one as a major supporting character and this S2 scene might be hinting in that direction:

The parallel to the "Oi, Shem!" scene is Nina-as-Crowley telling Aziraphale-as-Shem that that unicorn (The Bentley) is running of its own accord. Unicorns are magical beings. How magical beings present, as God pointed out in S1, is up to them. Human forms are just one option, right? I don't know exactly where this is going but this bit in S2 was a direct tie to The Flood's unicorn moment and it would explain a thing or two about Chitty Chitty Bang Bang if it were somehow tied to the unicorns. Can Crowley actually make them, the way Beez can make flies? Can Aziraphale? We really have no idea how the unicorn thing works in GO so we can't really use it as an example that Crowley didn't know about sex when it's more that we don't know about unicorns...

The unicorn that we saw during The Flood tracked with what we think of as the mythical being of an unicorn in our real world so we could make the assumption that some of the same aspects of them are/were true in GO. Unicorns are magical horse/donkey-like beings (which couldn't possibly be more Crowley and Aziraphale if it tried.) They are few and far between, are hard to spot and mostly keep to themselves. Human beings have no real actual proof that they ever existed in the first place and generally consider them mythical beings but Good Omens shows us that they at least did exist in GO ancient times-- and might still. In modern times, unicorns have become a LGBTQIA+ symbol and, for that reason and that reason alone, it seems unlikely that they actually went extinct in the world of *Good Omens*...

So, let's presume that Crowley said the existence of unicorns would continue even if Shem only had one of them on Noah's Ark because he knows that unicorns are not like other beings on Earth. Think about what else Crowley is then saying here with this line to Shem:

Noah's Ark, to us, is a story about continuing the existence of life for beings on Earth, right? It's about pairs, about mates, for the purpose of continuing species on earth via sexual reproduction. That's why we consider what Crowley's saying in this moment of this scene through the lens of it being entirely about sexual reproduction. When it comes to the unicorns, though, you could argue that Crowley is not actually talking about reproduction but about romance. We don't actually know how unicorns work-- but Crowley does.

What Crowley is actually telling us in this scene is that paired unicorns can survive the death of one of them because they're a part of each other. What Crowley is actually saying is that the pair of mated unicorns in the scene are two beings who share a single existence.

You couldn't permanently kill one of a pair of unicorns without killing both of them. So long as one of them still exists, they both do.

One unicorn could make a run for it for any reason and bolt away from his mate and die in the storm but Crowley knew the bolting unicorn was a part of the one that Shem got on the boat and so could be brought back.

In S2, we see something like this with other magical beings-- Ineffable Bureaucracy.

Oi, Shem, that purple-eyed unicorn's gonna make a run for it...

It's too late, too late...

Oh, well, you've still got one of them...

The Fly is Gabriel and Beez together; it's their shared existence. Without it, Gabriel would not have survived. The one of them still left-- Beez-- is the one who can put it together and bring Gabriel back into a full existence.

Ineffable Bureaucracy are unicorns who parallel our main two, though, and Oi, Shem...

...that bow-tied unicorn's gonna make a run for it...

Oh, well, you've still got one of them...

#ineffable husbands #good omens #good omens meta #crowley #aziraphale #aziracrow

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still-a-morosexual-help · 11 months

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I just read Mammon's The Guardian Demon devilgram. Adorable! Mammon is top tier dad. My mc will fight those witch and raise that girl in Devildom with her father as God (or whatever obey me verison of God is) intended! I need dad Mammon in my life right now. Does the game mention his daughter more in other stuff?

Also Imma punch Solomon in the face. Sometimes this game makes it really hard to like Solomon. Why is he written to go out of his way to put down Mammon!? Yes, all of his brothers do it, but at least they know him and care about him when they're not being shitheads to each other. Why does Solomon have so much beef with Mammon? I'm not saying he can't, because everyone does. But idk it feels more aggressive when it comes from Solomon. Maybe it's because I haven't seen much of his character aside from the devilgrams and pop quizzes.

-💙🐏

Yes!! Definitely one of my favourite devilgrams! Outside of the Devilgram they mention her in S1 and in S3, I believe, Mammon mentions the three witches and going up to the human world frequently to meet them

Okay so about Solomon,

-> He thinks in a very practical way rather than an emotional way and, though his constant smile and upbeat attitude may not show it, he's rather cynical (the complete opposite of Mammon). We see this a lot in Nightbringer, where he's constantly preparing for a fight between the human world and other two realms and is heavily skeptical when MC talks about making the other two realms see humans as equals without it leading to a fight.

-> He talks about how demons (and angels) look down on humans and about wanting to make them see humans as equals but he himself seems to see demons as lesser than humans. He somewhat admits this in s3? s4? where he says he only started seeing demons as friends recently. But even this doesn't stop him from collecting them and trying to use them as weapons against their own people if he needs to

-> Solomon has lived a long time and it's made him very stuck in his belief that demons (and angels) see humans as lesser beings and nothing, other than proving it wrong through force, will change that. Even though we do see the attitudes of demons changing slowly throughout s1-4 with Diavolo's pilot exchange program

-> Solomon doesn't really have any family members or even close friends when he's first introduced in S1. The closest people to him are Asmo, Barbatos and Thirteen and we already know that he didn't see the demons he had pacts with as friends until recently. So that just leaves Thirteen, with whom he has a very atypical friendship. They care about each other but they wouldn't put each other before anything else. He doesn't seem to have the best understanding on what typical (specially familial) relationships are like. This is why Solomon initially believes that MC, being human, would be like him and pick the safety of humanity over their loved ones. When almost any average human would tell you that they'd pick their loved ones over countless faceless strangers - something even Nightbringer knew

So Mammon's whole deal with the witches for the sake of some human child probably made him very skeptical. And so he tries to break it down to something that's more understandable to him, something that fits within his belief system

Eg: "Oh she's not excited to see Mammon because she sees him like a family member she just has a silly little kiddie crush on him"

^ Which is an insane thing for him to say, specially when both Mammon and MC (two of the most emotionally intelligent characters in om!) instantly pick out the fact that the girl sees Mammon as a father figure

But Solomon interprets it like a crush because crushes make sense. You can have a crush on a demon, specially if they helped you out. Hell, there are demons specifically there for you to have crushes on like Asmo and the succubi and incubi. But for a demon and a human to see each other as family? That's strange

Anyway Solomon is such a complex and interesting character, there's just so much you can unpack there, but I tried to keep this short as possible

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lightshiningforth · 1 year

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One thing that bothers me about Discovery is that it takes the grimmest possible view of Vulcan culture in general and Spock's family in particular, in ways that I don't think are justified by prior Star Trek series.

On the one hand, I think there's absolutely room in the Star Trek canon to portray a flawed, xenophobic Vulcan society. It's right there in front of you, starting in the original series. We all know that Spock grew up being bullied for being half human and not Vulcan enough. Dr. Miranda Jones is a human who studied on Vulcan and also has a complex about not being Vulcan enough (S3.E5 "Is there in Truth No Beauty?"). The inherent hypocrisy of Vulcans proclaiming that they value "infinite diversity in infinite combinations" while treating atypical members of their society poorly is absolutely worth exploring.

On the other hand, Discovery takes the portrayal of Vulcan callousness to the absolute extreme. Why on earth would Michael and her Vulcan classmates be contained in isolated orbs at school, practicing rapid-fire rote memorization? Vulcans aren't just computers who spit out facts and figures; that's a stereotype other species apply to them. Vulcans like to philosophize, to debate. Vulcans sincerely value the arts, music in particular. Spock even refers to dances that young Vulcans are taught in preschool (S3.E14 "Whom Gods Destroy"). None of those things are compatible with an education style that keeps kids isolated and interacting with no one, neither peers nor teachers.

Further, I don't for a second believe that Sarek would squash and deny Spock and Amanda their humanity. Yes, he has a complex about it and insists consistently that Spock is a Vulcan and must be treated as a Vulcan and yadda yadda yadda. BUT. Though he and Amanda choose to raise Spock on Vulcan ideals, Sarek is someone who clearly values human ways. He likes when Amanda and Perrin show him their human affection. He values human music, and is moved by it! And Spock, whose education was heavily influenced by Sarek, is fully versed in human history and literature. Often more so than the full, raised-on-Earth humans he serves with. He has read Byron and Shakespeare. He has detailed knowledge of wars, of governments, of even niche gunfights in the ancient American frontier (S3.E6 "Spectre of the Gun"). Sarek also relies without question on Spock's human friends to save his son's life, entrusting them with the most intimate of Vulcan rituals after assuming that Spock had already done the same. And their big father-son conflict? Sarek wants his son, of whom he is very proud, to contribute his talents to Vulcan society via the Vulcan Science Academy and stay close to home rather than going off into space and joining an organization with more military power than Sarek approves of. That's it.

All that is to say, there's no damn way that Sarek would "forbid" Amanda from exposing Spock to human literature and ideas. She would have read Alice in Wonderland to both her kids and he would have pretended not to be interested from another room while secretly being gripped by the story.

#star trek #star trek tos #star trek discovery #listen sarek is not a perfect parent #far from it #it's absolutely true that he values vulcan ideals over human ones #and prioritizes spock's vulcan side over his human one #and holds spock to impossible standards and gives him an identity complex #HOWEVER #a) sarek believes that humans and vulcans can and should coexist and values humanity in his personal and professional life #b) amanda ALSO chooses to raise spock as vulcan! she's not an oppressed wilting flower!#she tells kirk in S2.E10 “Journey to Babel” that the vulcan way is “a better way than ours”#yes she gets frustrated with spock for not showing human emotion but that is a consequence of HER parenting as well as sarek's

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dollypopup · 1 year

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unpopular polin opinions (again)

-Colin honest to God didn't do anything even REMOTELY as bad as this fandom insists he did? framing him as the big bad in a friends to lovers story is deeply unsatisfying and pits him and Pen against each other when the whole POINT is that they're a team.

-Polin is meant to be ride or die. it's meant to be people who see one another for who they are beyond the front. it is NOT meant to be two people who hold grudges against one another with a scorecard of who hurt the other more huffing about how the other is frustrating. their whole dynamic is 'i like you' 'i like you, too'

-BOTH OF THEM have hurt the other without apology. NEITHER of them are actually in love with the other (yet). Both of them are closed off and secretive and neither of them should actually have to beg and cry and scream for forgiveness. they're supposed to be friends

-jealous Colin as we're pushing for it is a shit tier trope. Colin swooping in w/ feelings for Pen only after other people have expressed interest in her would always make her wonder if he wanted her for her or if he wanted her because someone else did first and that's not the dynamic at all. Colin falls for her organically, albeit slowly. He falls for her when she opens up, when she shows him who she is, and only after he shows her that he's a safe place to do so. Likewise, SHE falls for HIM for real when she sees who HE is, too. When she sees that he's imperfect and that his charming artifice is a mask he wears. They're both scared that who they truly are on the inside is unlovable or unworthy of serious consideration, and when they crack open and the other sees, they fall for who they actually are. It's a love made stronger because it's born out of trust and understanding, not out of an ultimatum of 'I could lose her!'

-Penelope ghosting Colin with no explanation after S2 would be her being a really bad friend and deeply hurtful

-Penelope would hate being the unofficial diamond everyone is seemingly rooting for and it makes 0 sense for her to suddenly have a bunch of suitors. it's just lazy storytelling.

-most of the Polin dynamics this fandom has actively rooted for in S3 is just Kanthony or Saphne 2.0. That's very much NOT the point of Polin's romance. and I do not understand why people want the exact same season playing out the THIRD TIME IN A ROW

-Pen's actual character would despise how some of y'all write about Colin. like. . .she's supposed to love him? he's supposed to love her? If someone called him an idiot or undeserving or uninteresting or that he should beg and grovel she would fight

-Polin's characterizations as individual characters as well as a couple have been so completely twisted and deformed in this fandom for the sake of drama and painfully cishet toxic tropes that it makes me legitimately sad. Polin is a great ship. So much of it is beautiful and healing. Two people who care for one another deeply, if with a good deal of confusion, discovering who they are individually and then realizing they're happiest with each other is lovely. Colin being an atypical male love interest in the sense that his primary draw is kindness and compassion and primary struggles being lost and jealous of his LI for her success is INTERESTING. There are a million and one brooding rakes out there breaking hearts and beating their chests howling 'she's mine!' in the middle of a room full of other men gawking. Ship Pen with one of them if you want that dynamic, but that's not Colin and I don't WANT it to be Colin. Colin is great without that

-Penelope is not an innocent lil bab who did everything she did out of good intentions. she is more complex and relatable as someone who fucks up. It is COMPELLING that she did deeply hurtful things not out of saintly altruism but out of jealousy or scorn or desperation mixed with a genuine desire to do well by those she cares for. It is a better story to acknowledge she isn't even remotely perfect and that in wanting to help, she just tangled things up even worse than before. Penelope has plenty of faults alongside her goodness: she's closed off, distrusting, traumatized, jealous. All whilst being funny, sharp, cunning, loving. She wants to be loved and to love those around her and doesn't know how. She hurts the people she cares about and she hurts herself in the process. THAT'S REAL. The idea that Penelope is a perfect bab who should be fawned over and all her ills can be excused away is flat and infantalizing. I understand: there have been a lot of criticisms of Penelope from people who genuinely dislike her character. But the pendulum has swung to the other side to the point where people who DO like her and DO ship Polin point out unsavory parts of her character, it's met with the same rabid defense as if we were haters. Guess what? I like Penelope MORE because she's made those fuck ups. I like discussing how she's hurt others because who of us haven't? Penelope is overlooked and unpopular and awkward and unsure and I LIKE HER FOR IT. I'm exhausted of the glittering, perfect Penelope who everyone else has to apologize to because she's the 'victim'. That makes her so much more unlikable

-speaking of unlikable, most of y'all who say you ship Polin straight up do not like Colin as a character. And it's obvious. Turning him into a character he isn't, wanting him on hands and knees begging for a second chance, considering him only as an extension of Penelope when he has so much richness as a character in his own right. Assuming the worst in his actions and striking out all the good about him in favor of a narrative that deforms Polin into a ship where he is always wrong and she is always right. And it turns a lot of people off to the ship. People who ship Polin already get turned off by how much this fandom hates Colin, let alone peeps just getting into it or outside of it. There are people who despise Polin that discuss Colin more favorably than we do in our own ship and it makes no sense because he is a genuinely fantastic character. He refuses to abide by toxic masculinity, he's gentle and sweet and caring, he's silly and unsure and self-sacrificing, he's putting on an act and he's self-critical and he's got such a big heart. He's the kindest person in Pen's life. He supports her unyieldingly. He's never done anything to purposefully hurt her and he cherishes her as a friend. Why do we so rarely talk about him favorably?

-Polin is NOT Colin vs. Penelope. That dynamic can create some interesting conflict, sure, but it needs to move beyond that because at the core? At the core, it's Polin vs. The Problem. and it's so much more fulfilling that way

#polin #colin bridgerton #penelope featherington #bridgerton #bridgerton season three #yeah yeah i know i'm the polin black sheep making yet another super long post about them in a largely dead fandom during season lulls #i just can't help it #i genuinely love the both of them so much and i miss when the polin fandom did too #i miss people discussing their dynamic in nuanced ways instead of the easy 'colin is terrible and penelope is a saint' convos now #i'm sad the fandom misinterpretations of their characters has made this ship lose so much of their sparkle and freshness and beauty #why can't it just be a beautiful ship composed of two people who genuinely care for one another?

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ladyluscinia · 9 months

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In an ideal world, DJenks could build on Lucius’s poly ideas in “we don’t own each other.” and Stede and Izzy’s (super limited) abilities to compromise with each other (via hostages) and they could both be with Ed and everyone in the love triangle is happy, but that seems super delusional at this point, even if it’d be so cool. So, what do you think a realistic happy ending for Izzy would look like?

I think I pulled up a link I wanted to include to answer this like a day or two after it was sent, and then I promptly got distracted and didn't actually type anything. Oops.

Anyway... happy endings.

So here's a post where I kinda speculated on this before that's worth reading. It brings up some tropes that I think are in the mix of possibilities and how I personally feel about them.

For an answer to your question... The way I kind of see the "compromise" situation coming out of S1 is that all the characters are falling on a sliding scale between two not-ideal extremes of piracy philosophy. One end has Izzy firmly planted as the extreme of Edward's default approach - iron fist, emotionally closed off, total focus on skill and discipline, ruling things through a balance of fear and awe that makes them really good at piracy but emotionally and interpersonally a disaster. The other end is probably Lucius as the extreme of Stede's approach - all focus on interpersonal relationships and emotional fulfillment, wanting to have fun and do no work, flaunting hierarchy, and generally failing piracy in favor of self expression.

(Note it's important that Edward and Stede can't truly hit their extremes - Edward is too seeking of attachment and frivolity even as he bristles at vulnerability, and Stede is too emotionally locked up like a clam to practice what he preaches and now has no money to fund a permanent enforced vacation. They don't really want what they perceive as their culture goal, which is good because both their goals kind of suck in different ways. The Kraken is doomed to collapse because it's further out than Izzy.)

The whole crew, Izzy included, needs to make their way toward the midpoint (which, given this is a romcom, is probably not a true middle but skewed a bit toward Stede and silly hijinks) in order to be successful AND emotionally fulfilled. And I think they can do it!

Like Stede's whole vacation boat and enforcing his own unskilled, atypical piracy in the early eps has already caused friction with his crew. They want to be badasses, face challenges, complete raids, etc. The fact they've grown to like him doesn't mean they've decided Stede's hobbies are better than theirs now, it just means they are more open to doing something silly with him and enjoying it than they were in 1x01. I don't think the show is going to end with "retirement" because I don't think any of the characters really want to retire (including bored-as-hell Edward). And if they are still being pirates - in fact, trying to be good pirates - then it's not unrealistic to think Izzy can chill out a bit via character development and get in on the fun.

This is a guy who met Stede and sliced his shirt up as a hello, and then did literally everything he did in 1x06. He's not an inherent buzzkill of a person lol. He's just stressed.

Izzy and Edward working out their shit is probably going to be a extended part of Edward's general character arc, but once they get through that I feel like Izzy's happy ending will be just moving from lurking on the stairs to being in the circle. Give the man a friend, a knife game, probably a boyfriend for the middle aged love parallels... and throw in a real, much scarier antagonist for S3 just to cement him on the Revenge side (*crossing fingers* please be Hornigold).

He'll do just fine.

#our flag means death #izzy hands ofmd #i'm basically thinking his arc is going to look like villain decay except he's not starting out as enough of a villain for it #like none of them are viewing him as a threat to start with so they don't have to shuffle him into the 'not a threat' category #as soon as he resolves his shit with edward though then his reasons for conflict with the rest of them kinda go away #and i think it's kinda ridiculous when people act like the crew is gonna have a major grudge against *izzy* for mostly edward's actions #ask #ladyluscinia

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Okay so Kahilda calling Adler in 3x04 and then Tally trying to call her the same way now that she’s a steward in 3x09 like?!?! Can someone scream with me or some write how Alder wanted to answer or something. Still upset how her grief persists until Adler is actually there seems atypical. Idk if any of this makes sense but just trying to share my tadler feels/pain lol

omg wait i hadn't even made that connection but you're so right!! she was absolutely trying to call Alder back and rewatching that scene you can literally see the grief on her face when she turns to Adil, but then she was just totally fine seeing Alder at the wedding?!? and like, even shipping aside, Tally literally thought she had just watched Alder die for the second time and then she just...casually hears about her presence at the wedding and just decides to catch her on her way out?? and not address any of it??? it's absolutely just down to bad writing at this point and prioritizing the plot (or what the writers wanted their final season's plot to be before knowing s3 was it, but that's a whole other essay 🙄) over actual meaningful character beats. it makes no sense and i feel your pain!!!

also holy shit the thought of Alder in the cave already thinking this is really it and then hearing Tally's song and not being able to even respond? Tally literally gave up her power for the song, and now with Alder trapped after breaking her promise to save herself, it might as well have been for nothing. now Tally's always going to be carrying a reminder of yet another broken promise. she just wanted to help, she always just wanted to help. Alder's met quite a few like her over the years--hell, even Nicte wasn't unlike that in the beginning--but Tally's different. Tally's special, and Alder's known it from the moment Tally offered herself up as a biddy. but the problem is that Alder corrupts. it's what she's always done from her earliest days. her sister (always 'her sister,' never Abigail. easier to keep the memories and the grief at arm's length if she keeps her thoughts impersonal), every single one of her biddies over so many lifetimes, Nicte, and so many countless others. but Tally hurts the worst because after it all, after all of the let-downs, the lies, the broken promises Tally still hasn't left. she still hasn't given up on her. even now, Alder can hear her singing from somewhere far away, but without the Mycelium she can't travel, and she's so weak she can't spare the energy for a response, but goddess help her, she's not giving up like this. she promised Tally, and for reasons she can't (shouldn't? won't.) articulate, she wants more than anything to keep her promise for once. for Tally. and so with the last of her strength (and the knowledge that one wrong seed might bring the entire mountain down on her, but that's just a risk she'll have to take if it means getting back to Tally), she sings.

#asks #talder #sarah alder #i didn't mean to turn this ask into some kind of abstract ficlet but here we are #also i don't want to jinx myself but i am working on 3x09 scene rewrite that sort of deals with tally's pov of it all #i don't want to make any promises but i HOPE i can post it later this weekend #ANYway....#i could rant forever about my thoughts on how s3 is just highlighting the weak spots of s1 and 2 and the curse of cancellation #but basically it could all be summed up in i wish they had 22 ep seasons #anyway anon thank u for this i clearly had feelings about it shbvhdsbh #and you're welcome to scream to me any time!!

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Something that always stood out in the books is Louis's story is filtered through an interview but Lestat's is just written by himself and he doesn't have to answer to anyone, also its his version thats taken as truth for the rest of the series. And there was always an abuser/victim dynamic even in the books like at the very least Louis's turning is SUPER questionable and borderline rape in the books, but in the end its the abuser who gets his story solidified as truth.

The implication is a lot more troublesome here with a black Louis who can't even tell his own story without a white intermediary who treats his story with mixture of hostility/pity/contempt but when Lestat responds he gets to have his story unfiltered and unquestioned by anyone.

like i say a lot i have an unusual amount of faith [how abstract & atypical of yani] in these showrunners. they are already very mindful of what it means for the perspective & memory of a black gay man made immortal. im sure s3 will toy with the unreliabilty of lestat’s own perspective as an immortal medieval french man , and show what colors his own memories, as they are certainly not shy in showing the ways lestat can be cruel , a puppet show of ‘masculine’ archetypes & terribly insensitive already from others perspectives [claudia’s perspective on pivotal events & character dynamics is something important given in s1 that we dont rly get a complete picture of in iwtv obviously 4 meta reasons .. later in vc we get like pieces of her ghost haunting the narrative in tobt & merrick and even that ghost struggles for control of its own life narrative as it is painted over by lestat/talbot & louis/merrick/jesse n co’s POVs of claudia but a smart reader should be cued :3]. maybe talbot is replaced by daniel in some moments where hes interrogative of lestat & replaced by louis in more romantic scenes, i find talbot is a rare line of vc fanon consensus where nobody ive seen ever gave a fuck about ole dude lol. maybe even like the 94 movie where lestat snuck up on dan? idk. someone else asked me about the 94 movie & ima be real i watched it once years ago n cruise/durst was the only performances i remembered. banderas & pitt was not giving armand & louis to meee

#yn.#yn answers #iwtv #tvc

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arrt-space · 1 year

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Cazzie power 💪

Reference:

Netflix, Atypical, S3

#beginner artist #beginner art #digital painting #digital art #fanart #atypical #netflix

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minty-muse · 2 years

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Yknow what? I have seen PLENTY of your Tangled posts and dare to ask why someone should get into it!

Ok well Bis let me tell ya I am a sucker for cartoons in general so keep that in mind but…it is just a fun show with good plot and great characters and yeah it’s fun. Like there are serious episodes and silly episodes since it’s a kids show but the humor is fun and the drama is really good imo ( tho s3 gets a bit wonky no spoilers ). But when the plot gets more serious is when things get real interesting. There’s a lot of lore and worldbuilding and it’s just really interesting ( I’m bad at describing things sometimes I’m sorry ) Like there’s themes of light and darkness and all that good stuff and characters fucking up and learning to face the consequences of their actions which is always fuuuun. There’s humor. There’s angst. There’s adventure and action. There’s the power of love and friendship being pushed to its very limits. And all the main characters have fun personalities and dynamics. Varian isn’t a main character for the most of the show but I obviously have a huge fixation on him is a really great complex multi-faceted character with stellar writing imo and I’m a sucker for complex characters so characters like him are also a large draw. The art is really pretty and also Eugene and Rapunzel’s relationship is probably one of the most healthy f/m relationships on television. They are just really sweet and gentle with each other and it is nice to see. But there’s also shipteasing between Raps and Cass for the gays ( storyboard artists have confirmed that cass is a lesbian ) Oh and there are a lot of songs and they’re all really good and make your ears go “GGGgHhhHhJjgGg” ( they got broadway singers so ) Also if magical hair counts then Raps is technically an atypical magical girl and I know you are a magical girl enthusiast. But yeah I’d say the main appeal is the characters and the story when it gets into the meat. But no spoilers.

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cloudyvoidsxo · 2 years

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Shoni Theories (?)

Possible Spoilers Ahead!

(This has been floating around in my head for a while now, and I haven't posted anything about The Wilds in a quick second, so here ya go)

Okay, here me out, second last or last episode is when we got the "Shoni Breakup." Let's think about this a little bit. Shelby goes on about how she knows Toni will never forgive her. She then looks to Toni and directly asks her. Toni was already upset as is, so she just shook her head "no" Shelby took this as the "Welp im out" and took off Toni's hoodie. Now, we've all seen the "I will never not love her" scene, as the leatin shippers have been screaming about it, (that's a different conversation though) where Shelby basically says she will never not love Toni. Toni never said she didn't not love Shelby anymore. When Fatin and Shelby got back to the hot spring with everyone else, WHO WAS THE FIRST PERSON TO NOTICE HER CUT? HM? IT WAS TONI. BECAUSE TONI STILL CARES. <3 Technically, they didn't actually break up. Toni's head shake could have meant lots of things. I think Toni meant she needs more of a break, then a breakup since her best friend was quite literally in a coma. I don't think she was blaming Shelby for missing the boat, I think she was more thinking "What if she didn't miss the boat, this wouldn't have happened." Thats another thing, in my opinion, if I was Shelby I woulda kept my mouth zipped about missing that boat. If the guilt was killing me, I would've gone to like Fatin or Marcus. Not Toni. If she wanted to keep her relationship with Toni, she shoulda lied.

Here's where the actually theory comes in though.

In S3, maybe in the first or second episode, Shelby asks Toni to privately speak alone with her, (or vice versa) and Toni complies. This is where it's a bit of a stretch. But it's like a parallel of the Atypical scene where Casey is telling Issie how unfair she was to her. But instead, its Shelby telling Toni that, that was an unfair way to break up with her. Toni is looking at Shelby weirdly but letting her continue her rant, until she says "unfair way to break up" Toni is trying to get Shelby's attention by calling her name and it works after the 4th time. She looks Shelby dead in the eyes and goes, "I never broke with you." And that's how the episode ends. I don't make the rules okay? Just saying.

This could all be a stretch but idk. Hanging on by a single thread with Shoni rn. If we don't get them back in S3 its over, your done.

#the wilds season 3 theories #the wilds s2 #the wilds season 2 #toni shalifoe #shelby goodkind #theories #what are y'all thoughts though?#everything I said could be a stretch but idrc

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depresseddisasterqueer · 2 years

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fandom masterlist

so i'm def not taking credit for this idea, i've just seen it a lot from other users and mutuals and i love it <3. so below i have kinda built it so the fandoms are separated by category (international shows, american & british shows, anime, mid-range shows, books, and musicals — i have also included k-pop as another separate category)and i promise will try to keep this up to date. i might add reviews and top ships later but i'm not about to bite off more than i can chew so here you go :)

*pls note: this list is NOT in any particular order.*

International:

the untamed/mo dao zu shi

live-action show status: finished

show status: watched ep 1-5

book status: finished

fav character: wei wuxian/wei ying

word of honor/faraway wanderers

show status: finished

book status: TBR

fav character: wen kexing

scum villain’s self-saving system

show status: watched only ep 1

book status: currently awaiting v4

fav character: luo binghe

not me

show status: finished

book status: TBR

fav character: yok

kinnporsche

show status: s1-watched, s2-coming

book status: TBR

fav character: pete

la casa de papel/money heist

show status: finished

fav character: berlin and/or nairobi

dark

show status: s1&2-watched, s3-have not watched

fav character: jonas kahnwald

young royals

show status: s1-watched, s2-coming

fav character: simon

the extraordinary attorney woo

show status: s1-watched, s2-coming

fav character: lee jun-ho

American/British:

supernatural

status: finished

fav character: castiel

good omens

show status: s1-watched, s2-coming

book status: read about half

fav character: crowley

our flag means death

show status: s1-watched, s2-coming

fav character: lucius and/or edward teach

barry

show status: s1&2-watched, s3- only watched ep1

fav character: noho hank

the sandman

show status: s1-watched, waiting for announcement of s2

fav character: dream or hob gadling

stranger things

show status: s1-3-watched, s4- watched through ep 5

fav character: steve harrington, eddie munson, and will byers

killing eve

show status: s1-3-watched, s4- watched only ep1-3 (spoiled so ik what happens and i’m not happy about it)

fav character: villanelle

gentleman jack

show status: s1-watched, s2- have not watched

fav character: anne lister

the wilds

show status: s1-watched, s2-watched first ep

fav character: toni

shameless

show status: s1-4-watched, s5- watched only ep 1&2

fav character: ian gallagher

the flight attendant

show status: s1-watched, s2-have not watched

fav character: annie

tiny pretty things

show status: finished

fav character: shane

chilling adventures of sabrina

show status: s1-watched, s2-4-have not watched

fav character: ambrose

roswell, new mexico

show status: s1-3-watched, s4-haven't watched

fav character: alex manes

atypical

show status: s1-3-watched, s4-watched half so far

fav character: casey

the boys

show status: s1-3-watched, s4-coming

fav character: frenchie

the witcher

show status: s1&2-watched, s3-coming

book status: TBR

fav character: jaskier

umbrella academy

show status: s1&2-watched, s3-watched only ep 1

fav character: klaus hargreeves

love, victor

show status: s1&2 watched, s3-watched first half

fav character: benji

heartstopper

show status: s1-watched, s2&3-coming

book status: read book 1

fav character: nick nelson

the vampire diaries

show status: finished

book status: have not read

fav character: damon salvatore

the secret circle

show status: finished

book status: read only book 1

fav character: adam conant

russian doll

show status: s1- watched, s2- have not watched

fav character: nadia

dead to me

show status: s1-watched, s2-watched half

fav character: judy hale

the sinner

show status: finished (so far)

fav season: s3

sherlock

show status: finished (so far)

fav character: sherlock holmes

i am not okay with this

show status: finished

fav character: sydney

black mirror

show status: s1-4-watched, s5-have not watched

fav episode: san junipero

the politician

show status:s1-watched, s2- watched up to ep 4

fav character: river barkley

santa clarita diet

show status: s1&2-watched, s3-have not watched

fav character: joel

only murders in the building

show status: s1-watched, s2-coming

fav character: oliver

big sky

show status: s1- watched, s2-have not watched

fav character: cassie dewell

sons of anarchy

show status: finished

fav character: tara

little fires everywhere

show status: finished

book status: finished

fav character: izzy richardson

schitt’s creek

show status: finished

fav character: david

criminal minds

show status: watched all of s1-4, scattered through the rest

fav character: spencer reid and/or aaron “hotch” hotchner

iZombie

show status: s1-4-watched, s5-have not watched

fav character: lowell and/or ravi

bonding

show status: finished

fav character: pete

american vandal

show status: finished

fav character: sam ecklund

locke & key

show status: s1&2-watched, s3-coming

fav character: kinsey locke

dexter

show status: s1-8-watched, s9-watched up to ep 3 (ik what happens)

book status: read part of book 1

fav character: dexter morgan

the white lotus

show status: s1-watched, s2- coming

fav character: armond

shadowhunters

show status: s1-watched

fav character: magnus bane

(books series below)

law & order: svu

show status: scattered episodes

fav character: olivia benson

westworld

show status: s1&2-watched, s3&4-have not watched

fav character: maeve

Anime:

death note

show status: finished

fav character: L

devil is a part-timer!

show status: finished

fav character: sadao maou

blue exorcist

show status: s1-watched

fav character: rin okumura

ouran high school host club

show status: s1-watched, s2-coming

fav character: tamaki suoh

vampire knight

show status: finished

fav character: kaname kuran

erased

show status: finished

fav character: satoru fujinuma

Mid-range shows:

voltron legendary defender

show status: finished

fav character: keith kogane

she-ra and the princess of power

show status: finished

fav character: catra

miraculous ladybug

show status: s1&2-watched, s3-watched some, lost where i was, s4- not watched

fav character: adrien agreste

carmen sandiego

show status: s1-watched, s2-4-have not watched

fav character: carmen

Books: (only listing some not my entire “read” list)

carry on (series)

status: finished (so far?)

fav character: baz pitch

the infernal devices (series)

status: finished

fav character: will herondale

the mortal instruments (series)

status: finished

fav character: magnus bane

red, white & royal blue

status: finished

fav character: prince henry

the seven husbands of evelyn hugo

status: finished

fav character: harry cameron

simon vs. the homo sapiens agenda (series)

status: finished

fav character: simon spier

a good girl’s guide to murder (series)

status: finished

fav character: ravi singh

hush, hush (series)

status: finished

fav character: scott

this is how you lose the time war

status: finished

fav character: blue

we were liars

status: finished (have not yet read the prequel)

fav character: gat

youngblood

status: currently reading

fav character: taylor sanger

Musicals: (movie versions included)

falsettos

fav character: whizzer

fav song: four jews in a room bitching

dear evan hansen

fav character: connor murphy

fav song: words fail / sincerely, me

be more chill

fav character: michael

fav song: the smartphone hour

book of mormon

fav character: elder price & elder mckinley

fav song: turn it off / i believe

heathers

fav character: veronica

fav song: dead girl walking (reprise)

wicked

fav character: elphaba

fav song: for good

mean girls

fav character: janis ian

fav song: revenge party

tick tick...boom! (the movie)

fav character: jonathan larson

fav song: 30/90

chicago (the movie)

fav character: velma

fav song: cell block-tango

the prom (the movie)

fav character: alyssa & trent

fav song: love thy neighbor

james and the giant peach

fav character: earthworm

fav song: plump and juicy

<<K-Pop>>

Stray Kids

Bias(es): Felix & Hyunjin

MONSTA X

Bias(es): Kihyun & I.M

Onlyoneof

Bias(es): Yoojung & Nine

BTS

Bias(es): Jimin

ITZY

Bias(es): Yeji

Ateez:

Bias(es): Wooyoung & San

NCT DREAM

Bias(es): Haechan

LE SSERAFIM

Bias(es): Yunjin

Xdinary Heroes:

Bias(es): Gaon & Jungsu

Enhyphen

Bias(es): Jungwon

P1Harmony

Bias(es): Keeho & Theo

SEVENTEEN

Bias(es): Hoshi & Woozi

TXT

Bias(es): Taehyun

FIFTY FIFTY

Bias(es): Sio

EVERGLOW

Bias(es): Yiren & Mia

(more coming i swear there’s just so much to update!!)

#fandom masterlist #fandoms #media analysis #mdzs #not me the series #supernatural #books #shows #musicals #movies #anime

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