#breadtube

[altairattorney]

This James Somerton debacle is something else, and I mean it's definitely not the main thing we should be talking about now, but:

Never let it be forgotten that this man is determined to keep conning (and most likely plagiarizing) people from a community that is so vulnerable and in such need of good faith actors.

He is counting on hbomb's video's fame waning to hide his wrongdoings. And his wrongdoings are egregious - misinformation, misogyny, outlandish amounts of plagiarism. He is still hoping to squeeze money out of the same LGBTQ+ community he has been stealing from all along, because all we are to him is exploitable idiots.

Please pass around this information for the newcomers, when he inevitably tries it again and again. Don't let his exploitation of our fellow queer authors be forgotten, especially given the times we are living through.

[maturelovemature]

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[sapphia]

The thing I love about Hbomberguy’s latest video essay on plagiarism is it really gets to the root of why someone plagiarises, which in turn reassures the audience of the soundness of their own creative process and that of the creatives they love. He spends so much time praising and analysing the difference between derivative works (non-negative) and plagiarised works that it reassures and broadens the knowledge of other creatives and of the audiences consuming their works, which in turn helps assuage any unconscious reactionary feelings of “But this other creative I love does something slightly similar”.

As someone who writes, and as someone who went through the churn-em-out of the modern university degree system and all the plagiarism anxiety that comes with that, the topic of copying and mimicking other creatives is a heavy and ill-understood topic in so many spaces. The education system, at least in my country, went from encouraging rote-learning and copying by rewarding those who best memorised answers previously learned (e.g. exam answer schedules, memorising the wording of pre-practiced essays) to encouraging original thought in extensively-written about topics for essays. It’s very hard not to feel like you’re plagiarising when you’re one of 300 first year law students writing about a a topic from one very in-depth source that you’ve studied in class and three smaller ones, and Turnitin has put in your mind that the MOST important thing you can do for this essay is not to pass it, but to reword it well enough not to get caught up in this plagiarism detector. And I can recognise my behaviours in what Hbomberguy identifies - I remember minute-before-the-deadline essays where I was guilty of padding out my biography with sources from my sources, and can think of phrases or techniques of writing I’ve read in books that I sometimes worry might come through in my writing in a way that feels like stealing.

Plagiarism anxiety is real, and it’s fed by a lack of understanding around what plagiarism is and where it comes from. Hbomberguy is so right for complimenting a bunch of lame youtubers for the enthusiasm with which they openly bounce off of other people’s ideas. This collaborative method of creating where ideas are taken and passed on due to love of the craft can feel derivative eventually - but taken within a body of work where the creator is riffing or paying homage to and not merely regurgitating others success is at the heart of where any meaningful success and love for the medium lies. Creators need to be coming from a place of genuine enthusiasm and respect - it’s when they dont, when they’re looking down on others, that we see these behaviours emerging.

And that helps identify the urges within ourselves, and know more firmly whether what we’re doing is tribute or theft, including the many not just acceptable but positive ways of referencing back to sources and inspiration. It helps us tell when we ourselves are genuinely trying to pay homage and when we are treading the more murky waters of unfair attribution. So thanks Hbomberguy for dumbing down this topic in the most relatable but inaccessible-by-length way possible, as per usual.

#continually impressed with the way he manages to add to conversations tbh #hbomberguy #breadtube #video essays #james somerton

[queenoftheimps]

THERE'S MORE???? HOW IS THERE EVEN MORE

#james somerton #hbomberguy #todd in the shadows #breadtube #love when youtubers tag team each other like this

[renthebarbarian]

Me, yesterday, reblogging a post about hbomberguy with this tag:

Hbomberguy: *mere hours later* *drops an entire 4 hour video destroying James Somerton*

Me: did I…? do this???????????

#hbomberguy #james somerton #breadtube

[redditreceipts]

Random thought but have you ever noticed that breadtube is...misogynistic? Idk, as someone who used to watch a lot of breadtube (still a leftist, but as I've learned more about leftist politics and movements I find that breadtube often lacks substance - just seems like a lot of rambling without critical thinking/analysis).

Like, I can't help but notice that the lot of them shy away from topics around sex based oppression, male/female socialization, sexploitation etc (and if they're not ignoring it, they're saying that none of it is real and that those are just conservative talking points).

Idk. I just feel like a lot of people would rather watch transwomen talk about how important feminist works are actually bigoted to justify violent, misogynistic feelings toward radical feminists who discuss these things. It feels like they want to intellectualize misogyny and uphold a strawman of radical feminism so that they can validate telling women to shut the fuck up about our oppression. Am I making sense?

yes, you're totally making sense, and I decided to look into that. so I made an Excel list with the most prominent Bread Tubers, the number of their subscribers, their biological sexes and their gender identities:

if you just look at gender identity, the subscribers seem to be quite evenly distributed between men, women and non-binary people:

looks kinda fair, right?

but if we look into biological sex...

it's suddenly clear that biological males gather about 77 percent of the total subscribers, while biological females gather only about 24 percent.

doesn't seem that fair anymore, right?

but it gets even worse when you take into account the male's gender identities...

there are more subscribers to biological males with female or non-binary gender identities than subscribers to biological females???

I guess there is your answer on why bread tube does not cover issues of sexism and sex-based oppression.

...and that is why an analysis based on biological sex is important and trying to erase it will let us believe that we are closer to equality between the sexes than we actually are

#I still watch some of them and think many have good analyses #for example on topics of history #but I will never #ever #try to know anything about sexism and misogyny by them ever again #breadtube #bread tube #leftist youtube #sex discrimination #trans #transgender #trans woman #listen to trans women #terfblr #terfs please interact #radical feminism #it took a while to make these graphs so #radblr #radfems please interact #gender critical #radical feminists please touch #radical feminists do interact #feminism #listen to women #misogyny #terfs please touch #gender critical feminism #gender critical feminist #gc feminist #gc feminism

[lesbianamalvada]

the schizo 4chan conspiracy about contra and philosophy tube is real and this is all the confirmation I need.

#contrapoints #philosophy tube #breadtube #lefttube #video essays #video essayists #twitter #twitter screenshot

[monster-mash]

If nothing else, I think lefttube/breadtube discourse reveals how twitter literally rots your brain. People who have made entire careers off of making thoughtful, introspective multimedia essays get on the bird app and drop the most ludicrous, brain-dead takes you'll hear from someone with more than 1000 followers. Just head-in-ass levels of poorly thought out, no-nuance, terminally online drivel. Some people will see this as the mask slipping from their perfectly polished personas, but I don't buy into that interpretation. Sure, people are more likely to speak off the cuff on an app like twitter, meaning they put their thoughts through less of a filter, but I think this phenomenon speaks to how twitter encourages reactionary behaviour more than it says about any individual.

Creators who are usually very professional and reasonable will suddenly jump on some internet drama without doing even the bare minimum of research, because they're supposed to have a "hot take" on a situation that most of the time doesn't even involve them, because twitter drives people to engage, for better or for worse (but mostly for worse)

#content #breadtube #twitter #quinton reviews #sarah z #dan olson #contrapoints

[selfish-solace]

pay a lot of attention to the hbomberguy behind the greenscreen / wallpapered drywall

#hbomberguy #youtubers #youtube #video essay #my art #breadtube

[killjoyfem]

The duality of the woke leftist male

#my post #vaush #breadtube #YouTube #i stand with jk rowling #gender critical #radfem safe #radical feminism #feminism #radblr

[weaselbeaselpants]

Lindsay Ellis plagiarized a ndn author

This post isn't a callout and it's only my own post because the OP source I just learned it from, @neechees, doesn't allow rbgs at a certain point on that post.

After Hmbomberguy's expose on Illuminaughtii and James Somerton some people are giving a well deserved eye back to the leftube sphere that was kind of schism-d and held under scrutiny in what I feel was, a lot of the time, misinformed hate campaigns in response to genuine criticism; especially towards Lindsay Ellis who up left after she was canceled and hasn't returned to continuous video making publicly even after people have mostly agreed the hatedom directed for her Raya and the Last Dragon takes was stupid and was erasing actual SEA people's discussions of the culture. To hear and see a decent breakdown of that film's representation problems BEYOND the Ellis-parts because it's worth your wild regardless of if you've seen the movie, please watch the three part video series hosted by Xiran Jay Zhao.

To tl;dr the 2021 drama: people have held an ire towards Ellis for a long time feeling like her and her white-woman base talk over, steal, or just straight up don't apologize for their own racism towards women and ppl of color, and after Lindsay did a problematic by pointing out that Raya and the Last Dragon was like ATLA, people jumped on her.

Being both a longtime fan of Ellis and white as fucc, I personally feel like Lindsay kind of forgave herself and threw out the actual criticisms held against her every bit as much as people just kind of treated her like a punching bag. Or, to paraphrase @padawan-historian's old takes from then, they treated Lindsay like she was trying to be the ENTIRE conversation, not the start of one, and like every possible outcome that could happen over her videos was her fault personally. Some of Lindsay's loudest and nastiest 'critics' were, in fact, other white people or just people who have no good faith in addressing her fuck ups, like Lily Orchard, fe.

One 'Lindsay did a racism'point tho that I felt wasn't truly addressed in full though were claims by indigenous people that she was anti-native, especially in her videos about Twilight and Pocahontas, which yeah at the time I was very passive of you can 100% find post abt that. But then Neechees linked me to an article I, and I think a lot of other video essay-fans had never seen before. This article accused Lindsay of stealing half of her talking points on Disney's Pocahontas from theirs.

When people on the breadtube spectrum talk of Lindsay, even people who criticized her at the time. all kind of agree that the intensity of the backlash was uncalled for and, while not everyone agrees if her public silence is a 'canceling' or not, agree with her need to just take care of herself these days. For those curious, this is the article making this claim:

I am not saying you need to all unfollow and hate everything Lindsay ever touched, mkay? But I also genuinely hope that Lindsay addresses this+comes clean because holy fuck. Unlike Somerton, all I can tell you is I don't just 'believe Windsey wouldn't hurt nobody uwu~'. I am pretty certain that Lindsay care about the topics she covers, for whatever that's worth to say as another whiteperson. It's just that, like Contrapoints, I ALSO think she has a tendency to deflect criticism within that sphere and lump all her negative bagage together. This really sucks cuz not all of us are Lily Orchards or Vaush clones.

Most of us are/were casual watchers of Lindsay like we are Hbomber, Contra, Lady Emily, Folding Ideas, and ToddintheShadows (does he count as leftube idk?) and we really, genuinely don't want to believe that Lindsay stole from + refuses to listen to women of color when they call her out.

Where I like almost everyone in the leftoob analyst sphere that's ever growing and hopefully now weeding out Illumanaughtii-s and Sommerton-s of the world, there ARE controversies within the space that I don't agree with creators on. Some are dumb things like the exact takes Lindsay has about movies n shows that I just up and disagree with her on, Princess Weekes' proshipping apologia that I have LOTS of thoughts on. However, some matters are clearly personal and about maters that just don't involve me. Earlier this year, Folding Ideas and Lady Emily ctrl+alt+deleted some replies they made to Quinton Reviews, making clear that they very much still dislike him based on something that happened between Quinton, Lindsay and I think SarahZ. And by "dislike", I mean also still believeing his former editor over him on who was boundary pushing about who in their relationship. On the offchance any of those creators or their stans somehow see this, know that I'm not going to tell any of you guys how to feel about whatever Quinton did in private I'm not aware of; it's just that I also happen to believe Quinton on this issue and I don't like the guiltybyassociation mantra.

>>>>side note: I hate that every time someone says "I believe so and so after hearing their side now" ppl jump on the "you were just a stan from the beginning and never actually able to listen"-bs. Yeah, being more familiar with one creator over the other means there's bias, sure, but I kinda hate that that once held bias means you can't be held as any kind of source or form your own opinions. <<<

Big introvert vibes ahead: the thing about any big social circle of better-spoken people than you is they ALL seem like a scary meangirl's table from outside looking in. The kind that'll send goons after you with passive-aggressive "this is slander against me and I have the right to be upset abt it sorry if the stans eat you alive". They can also be made out by their fans to be harmless internet nobody's who YOU are at fault for getting mad and staying mad at cuz it's not like it matters on the internet and are clearly just out for drama and 'twofaced' yourself. I think the reality is the same thing that drives every community forward as well as drives them apart: these people are legitimate friends. They stick up for each other the same way we stick up for our personal internet friends whenever there's shit coming their way. The breadtube circle, whoever that is at this point, clearly know some shit we don't about themselves as much as they don't know shit about us and our true intentions. One of them has a platform and responsibility, where the other has power in masses and following them or not. We gotta all make the choices best for us.

Anyway. I guess, if any of the stuff about Lindsay ripping off that writer IS true, I really hope that she admits and apologizes for it. That's not cool to do to her indigenous audience, or even me, one of her white fans who expects actually allyship.

#breadtube #lefttube #hbomberguy #lindsay ellis #critical #ndn tag #indigenous rights #plagerism

[leo-fie]

Did James Somerton really just post a video called "a measured response" ? James Somerton, who was practically annihilated by one Hbomberguy for plagiarism, uploaded a video using a title style Hbomberguy popularized. I can't watch it, the level of cringe would be deadly for me.

#james somerton #hbomberguy #breadtube

[sapphia]

my guy tried to content mill breadtube and he got tube breaded

#breadtube #hbomberguy #james somerton #i made this joke before but i fucked it up so bad with errors lol. will not apologise for plagiarising myself

[queenoftheimps]

James Somerton has released a second response video

#james somerton #hbomberguy #youtubers #youtube #breadtube #my dude my guy just take the l #this is not gonna get walked back

[renthebarbarian]

As a creator myself, I would make a joke about how I never read theory or do research so I can’t possibly be accused of ripping anybody off, but Somerton’s co-writer Nick already admitted to not reading anything with his whole chest. We truly live in a post satire world.

#james somerton #hbomberguy #breadtube #youtube

[redditreceipts]

Least misogynistic Vaush fan

#bread tube #radblr #radical feminism #radical feminists do interact #radical feminists please touch #feminism #gender abolition #radfems please touch #radfems please interact #radfem safe #misogyny #reddit #patriarchy #vaush #anti vaush #breadtube