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kisses-4-loki · 1 year

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Why Endgame Thor wasn't a shitty mockery of him + fit his character (in my opinion)

Tw// mentions of disordered eating, depression, suicidal ideation, alcoholism/ alcohol abuse, death and grief.

DISCLAIMER; this is all my personal opinion and is in no way fact! It is based heavily on canon, using references to scenes to prove my point, but this is mostly for fun/ character analysis- do not leave me hate comments about how I've misunderstood Thor/ elements of the films, bc I will not listen if you are hostile :)

Thor during Infinity War is presented all the way through as a man grieving, full of rage and self hatred for his own failures to kill Thanos twice. (“He is anxious, angry, he feels tremendous loss and guilt”- Nebula, infinity war.1) Once aboard the Statesman, at the start of Infinity War, which led (in part) to his brother’s death and the loss of even more of his people, who were already strained and damaged. Again at the end of Infinity War, when he hit Thanos in the shoulder and didn’t do enough damage to prevent him snapping (likely due to the recent loss of his eye, and though partially rectified by the fake one given to him by Rocket it is likely in no way a perfect match for his eye.) As well as these losses, of his brother and his people, as well as actual losses in battle, he has also lost his father and all of his friends (though we find out Sif is alive in Thor 42, he doesn't know this at the time and thinks they’re all dead), as well as Heimdall.

He lost to Hela, he lost to Thanos, and this is all directly impacting him as it is all recent, within the space of possibly a week or two at most. At the beginning of Endgame, it's established that it has been 22 days since the snap (thank you Tony3), so 3-4 weeks since Loki, Odin, Heimdall and the warrior three’s deaths. Thor is likely not in the best mindset, you could say, and that's putting it lightly. Again, he’s shown to be angry, rageful at his loss, because he is Thor, of Asgard, and Asgardians are not shown to be a very emotional group of people. “He’s pissed. He thinks he failed.”4 is how Rocket puts it when we see the rest of the Avengers. Thor has lost. Twice. There’s a rather large precedent put in place by the Thor trilogy that Thor isn’t used to losing, or at least not losing alone. He isn’t powerless, and he’s never alone, except he now is alone.

“He has the Avengers,” you may say, and I say “No, he doesn’t.” After CACW, the Avengers are not getting along, and Thor has also been in space dealing with rebellions on foreign worlds, he doesn’t know anything about the changes. Regardless of what side he’d choose, Thor isn't informed of the disagreement- Bruce also didn’t know until recently, Tony was in space, Nat has been working, Clint is lost in the winds, and Steve is trying to help with damage control with SHIELD. There’s no one that he knows properly left in the world, any Asgardians are lost and he doesn’t know where they are.

Here we come to the ‘disordered eating’ section- and you may be thinking ‘Thor? Disordered eating? That seems more like a Loki thing.’ But what else do you call Thor’s stress eating? He’s been in space with crappy space rations, so I'm sure he could be just eating to fill himself after not eating properly for a while, but that’s not necessarily the case. It’s somewhat established (thanks to the end scene of Thor 1) that they have feasts in honour of the dead in Asgard. Post Loki’s death, there is a large banquet5, and I'm fairly sure that they wouldn’t be celebrating his death even after what he’s done. After all the losses Thor’s had, a large feast would be in order, most likely, but there’s no one to share the burden with. It comes to Thor to grieve for all of his people. (The drinking comes from a similar place)

In Endgame we see him eating when Carol arrives, and even if this is normal, he clearly gains weight after 5 years. It could be a beer belly, and that’s what it's meant to represent, but it's also more than that. Asgard's cuisine is different to Earth’s- they eat a lot of meat, sure, but less carbohydrates and sugars (Loki hasn’t had a proper sweet, just grapes and candied nuts6) and we know that Thor enjoys the more processed earth foods. (He eats a box of poptarts in Thor 1.) It's partly a change in diet, partly feasting in honour of his lost family and friends, but most importantly it's Thor’s isolation. He’s always had Loki as his walking impulse control, and when not Loki, likely Fandral or Volstagg (as they speak against going to Jotunheim in Thor 17) so he’s never really been alone with his own decisions before, and it's a large, sudden change that he clearly cannot cope with.

When they go to fix it at the start of Endgame, Thor’s temper bubbles up again. He’s angry. Thanos has taken everything he had left from him, taken his brother for a third and final time, and Thor can’t fix it any other way than he knows how- kill the bastard that did it. Repeating what Thanos said to him clearly shows his self hatred, and how he blames himself for not being able to do it the first time- “I went for the head”8- he doesn’t fail again. But it doesn’t bring him satisfaction, and he’s still alone. There’s still no Loki left, right when they had reconciled, there’s no father to offer the head to, no mother to heal his wounds, no Heimdall to watch from afar, no Asgardians to revel in his victory. It’s hollow.

They set up New Asgard, but Thor was alone until then, thinking he was the last left of Asgard. And then they timeskip 5 years (lazy of me, i know, but blame the Russo’s not the innocent victim) and Thor is a MESS. He’s an alcoholic, he’s isolated, barely speaking to people, and has gained a significant amount of weight from both eating and drinking. If he were a human he’d likely be in liver failure. He's managed to repress things by not speaking about it but is still struggling. And not ONE person helped the poor man. He’d not seen Bruce since Thanos was killed, Tony was separated from them all, Clint was out living his assassin best life, Nat was working to fix things and Steve was doing the same. But they didn’t visit Thor. He had Korg, sure, but he and Korg were acquaintances in Ragnarok and no more than roommates now. With no family left but the Avengers, you’d think they might help him a little bit. (Valkyrie has a solid excuse- she was literally being the king of New Asgard)

Had they taken Thor even a tiny bit seriously in this film, he’d be so upsetting to see in the scenes where he’s drunk and talking to Bruce. (“Why would I be scared of that guy? I killed that guy, remember? Did anyone else kill that guy? Nope. Didn’t think so.”9- he’s basically justifying why he can’t possibly be scared of Thanos, he’s THOR he’s of ASGARD, he KILLED Thanos, so he can’t be afraid.) But instead they make endless amounts of jokes about his want to prove himself by fixing the world. (“Just let me do it, let me do something good”10) and his celebration at still being worthy of Mjolnir11. (Another important aspect of his character arc in Endgame that they barely brushed- he’s still worthy as an unhealed mess of a man.)

The Russo brothers made so many jokes at the expense of ‘fat Thor’ that it massively negated why being sad and depressed was something he needed. Thor didn’t often dwell on being sad- he mourned for Loki, he mourned for his Mother, but he’d never really been heartcrushingly sad in the way he had to be after Infinity War. It was all new for him, and regardless of if he wants to do it, he has to. Thor NEEDED to be sad in that way- it helped him heal from the loss of everything he knew. Thor has changed since Thor 1, he’s no longer the arrogant bastard he once was, and it’s a change finalised by his depression in Endgame that leads him to give up the crown and go travelling.12

Ultimately, I think it was the excess of cruel jokes about Endgame Thor that made me mad- he’s just being endlessly bullied for being depressed and fat by people that lost less than he did. (Sorry Rhodey- this is aimed at you. The character assassination of you in Endgame was so unnecessary but like,,,) Everyone lost something, and you cannot compare trauma in a world where 50% of life has been snapped away by some purple dickhead, but Thor lost everything all at once and ended up alone for his troubles in trying to save the world, and I will always be sympathetic towards him for that.

Thor meets the Guardians- 1:26-1:33

Thor and Korg find Sif -0:34

Tony's message for Pepper 0:44

"He's pissed"- Rocket- 0:39

Asgard banquet - 0:27

Grapes, Nuts- 1:23

Fandral, Volstagg and Sif - 1:46-2:05

I went for the head- 2:24-2:27

Why would I be scared of that guy- 2:39-2:56

Let me do it- 2:34-2:38

I'm still worthy- 3:41-3:46

There's no need to evidence this- it's canon, I just want to appreciate how his new arc mirrors Loki- deciding he doesn't want to be king (as Loki appears to be when not being changed every few seconds) and travelling as Loki does mythologically/in the comics. And his adoption of Love at the end of Thor 4 mirrors Odin adopting Loki, so hopefully he does it right :)

#thor #thor odinson #avengers endgame #endgame thor #fat thor #not happy about that that tag but #calling him fat thor in tags might help #endgame meta #im so strange

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iamanartichoke · 2 years

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Apropos of absolutely nothing, closer inspection indicates Thor's hair, while long again, is still kinda tragic? That is, it's still unkempt, but not Endgame levels of unkempt.

Idk maybe it's just me but -

In the first image, Thor's hair still looks a little matted, like it's been a minute since he's washed it or combed it, while in the second image (peak Thor), his hair looks shiny and clean and luscious.

Another example -

Again, in TDW, Thor's hair is literally gleaming in the sun, whereas in Thor 4, it has that matted, kind of unwashed look. Not that I think Thor (or his hair) looks unclean, just that while his TDW hair looks like he deep conditions it with unicorn tears on the daily, his Thor 4 hair looks like it could benefit from some dry shampoo and a blow dryer to spruce it up between washings.

I'm not complaining - I like this, actually? Like, I don't know if this was an intentional costuming choice or not, but regardless, I kinda view it as symbolic of how much Thor has changed and how much he has gone through since he first lost his hair at the beginning of Ragnarok, and even though it's grown back, it's different.

He's different. He can't just dress up like his old self and braid his long hair and slip back into being that person bc that person is long gone and whoever Thor is now, he's a little worse for the wear. His face is hardened; the scar over his eye contributes to the look of someone who's Seen (heh) Some Shit. His beard is darker and longer, shadowing his features. He's no longer bright-eyed. His luscious blonde mane is lackluster. He doesn't shine anymore.

I say upon closer inspection bc my first reaction to the trailer was that Thor looked like himself again but, actually, he doesn't. The resemblance is surface-level. And, again, I couldn't say if all of these aesthetic choices were intentional or not, but it is interesting to observe especially in comparison to Jane's blonde hair, which is the very definition of luscious flowing locks:

Just kinda fits with the overall theme of Jane being worthy and Thor not, a little. Jane is Thor, but who Thor used to be, and all the shininess that entails.

Again, maybe it's just me, though.

Unrelated to anything I've written here, for some reason, I really like this moment:

Why? I don't know. I just do.

#thor 4 #all of this is speculation + scenes from the trailer #which i don't consider spoilers #but if you do - lmk and i will tag and/or cut #thor meta #charlotte's meta #what is my meta tag #i don't know???#i need to organize my blog man #thor glorious thor #christian bale exists in this film and i'm making it everyone's problem #endgame thor #in which the curtains are just fucking blue to everyone but me

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