There are too many people who, upon encountering a woman character with too many specific traits and flaws established, lose the ability to identify with them and turn to secondary, less active, less developed characters that they can more easily project into.
As in, they'll reframe the whole story in their head and insist the true protagonist is a secondary or tertiary character. That the original protagonist is a 'Mary Sue' not worth regard. And it's weird because so often women characters are also criticized and labelled as Mary Sue's for the opposite reason as well.
I do not mean said secondary/tertiary character is bad or uninteresting. I simply mean it's inaccurate to frame them as the protagonist, and I do often see said characters proclaimed to have traits they don't possess (often traits taken from the protagonist).
It's a phenomenon not restricted to women, but I have noticed it's more common with women. For some reason they rarely do this to the men of the story. And I feel like there's some internalized misogyny in there.
I see it on both the audience end and occasionally even the writer's end. *cough* The Vampire Diaries *cough*. For now, I'll call it the Trapped in a Island with Josh Hutcherson phenomenon where Jenny Nicholson points out that the author wrote a self-insert, got jealous of the self-insert when she took on too much of a life of her own, and proceeded to write a new self-insert to push the old one aside.
Some examples:
Rhaenyra → Alicent, Helaena, and occasionally Baela & Rhaena (might also be some ageism in there too)
Arya & Dany → Sansa, the Dead Ladies Club, Brienne on occasion
Elena Gilbert (TVD) → Caroline Forbes
Those are the most blatant examples, but I swear this phenomenon is EVERYWHERE.
Anyways, I'm looking for more specific examples so I can better look into it. If you can think of another one, do me a favour and drop it below!
how do you have esther (a villain, who's supposed to be in the wrong) say that elijah hurts every woman he loves and instead of proving her wrong you make elijah responsible for hayley's death???
I would like some of the big names to finally speak out about Dan… like Miranda Cosgrove, Victoria Justice, Ariana Grande, Really the whole victorious cast. I understand everyone has their own time to speak out I too am a survivor of child sexual molestation, but its so important to speak out. Its so important to protect people. All these abusers need to be shown publicly as abusers. Looking at Disney and Julie Plec and Marc Schwann and so many others who have also caused trauma.
M'kay. If dullena could do vamp pancakes, which was a bamon thing, all I'm saying that Bamon could kiss, that would be a fair exchange.
But we know, let's stuff Elena into everything Bamon had.
When you think about it, it's pathetic....bamon can't even have a damn pancake thing, aesthetic, ritual. :D It's more funny than sad how insecure Julie Plec, Dries and literally everybody was about Bamon potential and Kian chemistry.
If the rumours about Nettles are true then the House of the Dragon showrunners/producers continue to prove that they hate black women with a fervour only matched by Alan Ball and Julie Plec.
Teen wolf and Originals fans, i just had a crossover idea.
OK, so those who have seen the Originals remember Hayley marshall and how her birth name was Andrea Labonair, right? And the Labonair's were a werewolf pack along with Jackson Kenner's pack?
And for the teen wolf fans, we remember the Hale pack, correct?
So the crossover idea I bring forward is.....
What if the members of the Hale's and the Labonair's were actually related? More specifically, what if one of the members of the Hale pack married into one of the members of the Labonair pack as a form of alliance or something.
That would make Hayley and Derek distant COUSINS!!!!! And Hope WOULD BE A HALE!!!!!!
So back when the TV writing industry was slightly more permeable without connections and TV itself was more episodic, a common way to get your foot in the door was with "spec scripts." Where you'd write your own episode of a show.
You (well, your agent) would never submit a spec script of the show to the show you want to work on to the actual show you want to work on though. Rather, it was only meant to demonstrate that you understood how to write a self-contained story that remained faithful to the overarching story. Consistent in tone and theme and characterization. That not only were you a writer, but a writer able to tell a story someone else asks for, alongside other writers.
So yes, you'd basically submit fan fiction. And your goal was to make it read like a genuine lost script, rather than like... "fan fiction."
Anyways, Julie Plec once wrote a Buffy spec script. And it's EXACTLY what you think.
I mean it, a hellish mix of cringey and boring. All the incompetence and self-indulgence we associate with bad fan fic, but with none of the fun. None of the soul. If you ever feel embarrassed about writing what you consider a particularly cringey fan fic, just remember that Julie Plec not only did worse, but that she wrote it for a professional reason, looked at it, and decided, "Oh yes. This will get me all the jobs." And proceeded to SUBMIT it.