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youlackconviction · 1 year
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Dissatisfied with Disney’s attempt at continuing LOKI’s story?
my new fanfic might be for you!
chapter 1 is now published... don’t be fooled, it begins with a scene from the series, and uses series characterisations for LOKI and sylvie initially - but this is not a pro-series fic. it’s rather of a fix-it, if you will.
i have several chapters written, and plans for a lot more which will hopefully be a satisfying read for original LOKI fans and those hurt or disappointed by what has become of his arc in recent years.
feedback welcome... be kind about it if you can 💚
https://archiveofourown.org/works/44077857/chapters/110827368
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sparkyblizz · 6 months
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ever since I decided to write that Ceres/Tycho fic, purely because I thought it'd be funny, I've fallen in love with her and I think that she'd be a smart, sweet awkward, and anxious girl based on her TS3 traits (neurotic, absent-minded, genius, perfectionist, heavy sleeper). but what about her brother? I know Atom has the evil trait but I'd like to think that maybe he doesn't HAVE to be evil, you know? like he doesn't have to follow in his father's footsteps! he's neurotic, a bot fan, evil, a kleptomaniac, and lucky (interesting collection of traits) but like maybe the power of friendship with Ceres, who he's best friends forever with 🥺 and Cyclotron (plumbot) can convince him to not do evil things
I will say that while Loki is kinda irredeemably evil I did also characterise him as a loving and protective father to his clone children, NOT TO SAY I THINK HE'S A MORALLY GOOD PERSON I just like the idea of him being a loving father despite being, you know, Horrible In Other Ways—this also by no means means I excuse the man for experimenting on Nervous I want that made clear—but like if I can give good qualities to Loki, I can give good qualities to Atom, he hasn't committed atrocities
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ulfrsmal · 11 months
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omg those asksssss, 7, 8, 9, 10 :D
Hello! Disclaimer that I'm going to be a right ✨bastard ✨ here, so viewer discretion applies. This is also for the fandom in my pfp; I'm not naming anything to avoid maximum violence.
7. what character did you begin to hate not because of canon but because how how the fandom acts about them?
Perm Guy & Redhead Lady. If you know you know.
In the case of the Guy, he's honestly... fine. He was fine when he showed up in canon. I liked him, though I don't understand why he was touted as a military/strategy genius when all he was doing was stall while trying to understand the unfamiliar situation. I can respect a man who needs info to come up with a good plan. And I do like what they did with him in the show's last season. But there's such a wide timeskip between seasons that... it doesn't work. The charactersation doesn't work. It feels like he changed lots, but we don't get to see that change. Cop-out. And most of his fans just focus on one or two aspects of him and... don't develop him past that. It's not fun for me personally, I write him differently.
And in the case of the Lady... I feel like a bastard AND a cunt. I love her in canon! I do! It's (some of) her fans' representation of her what I don't like. Granted it's the most vocal fans who are like this, so... yeah. Makes me feel awful. Then I go watch canon and remember that, oh, it's just fanon I don't like, and I feel better again. But WOW. I understand the motto of "ship and let ship", I abide by it -- but I've seen one too many posts about how she's perfect in X ship and there are no other options for either her or her love interest, because they are just made for each other. Ship and let ship, superfans of her!! Don't do the vaguepost equivalent of throwing rocks at the sky to see what birds you might enrage!
8. common fandom opinion that everyone is wrong about
... you know, I'm not sure how common this is. But I've seen it before, so here we go. This tattoed Rogue who starts out young and then grows up gets... I'm not sure if "infantilised" is the right word. "Simplified" is more like it. I once saw someone make the argument that he'd been [TRIGGER WARNING NON-CON] imprisoned and raped repeatedly by men while in Dunholm as a teen/child [END TRIGGER WARNING], and in the same fic he was bashful and shy and innocent when Main Character flirted with him in a non-sexual way. You'd think there would be juicy characterisation and/or character analysis the reader could do, but... no. No there wasn't. At all. The Rogue didn't feel like the same character going from one scene to the next. And that viewpoint got adopted by many fans of the original fic, with the same flat results.
(That first author in particular also had a habit of writing this Rogue as the kind of babyboy you'd expect from a DD;LG relationship, but 99.99% of the time it was in non-sexual, non-explicit, non-DD;LB fics. What even?!)
9. worst part of canon
The books don't go deep enough on some aspects, and they downright gloss over others. Characterisation never goes deep. The portrayal of the english-speaking world and xtianity is well-rounded, but the foreigners don't get the same treatment. The Norse Pantheon in particular is just AWFULLY written and researched. Njörd isn't Rán's husband! Loki isn't the heathen equivalent of the xtian devil! THERE ARE MORE HALLS THAN JUST VALHALLA.
Yes this is not the only author who's made these mistakes. Yes I am annoyed at them too. I did say I'd be a right bastard in these...
10. worst part of fanon
I could say "the fans that idolise and borderline deify both the characters in my first answer", but that'd be too easy. Then again I can't think of anything else, so that's my answer ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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nostalgia-tblr · 1 year
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I mean, yes it was Sylki to Thorki for me because once upon a time I was gobbling down sylki content and came across a Sylkior fic and had some feelings about it and... Yup
OMG SYLKIOR. SO PROBLEMATIC. SO WRONG. SO GREAT.
As usual I seem to be One True Character in this fandom rather than One True Pairing, except that One True Character comes in many varieties and so you can make them kiss themselves and also I seem to be on the wrong wavelength to interact with many of them's other fans. OH NO!
One thing, maybe, is that the Loki show is between season at the mo (obviously) and the general trend in fandoms in, erm, general seems to be that during any lengthy hiatus even quite popular pairings go into a holding pattern where it's largely the most dedicated OTP shippers producing content (plus the occasional weird latecomer noob - such as for instance my good self) and while that is fine and valid and etc I am not actually that good at OTP shipping and so I end up wandering into the paths of other pairings to see who else my One True Character is banging in fanfic. And the thorki stuff has been around for a decade now so there's A LOT of it and if i navigate by the AO3 bookmarks of author's whose works I liked I can skip most of the, umm, less standout works and hoover up the good stuff until I wander off to somewhere else.
(This morning I HIT THE FUCKING JACKPOT by finding someone who had written multiple stories where Thor-era Loki is a sneaky little shit who can't be trusted and is often up to no good! Those of you on the very edges of MCU fandom might now be thinking "but nos, isn't that just the default and thus most common characterisation of that Loki?" but NO. NO, IT IS NOT. Hence my shock, joy, and perhaps even arousal at unearthing such a hoarde.)
Anyway, sylkior. That's a good one because they're all related to each other while also in other ways not really related to each other, in different degrees and forms. They all love each other, it combines selfcest and incest and I am problematic enough to go along with that. OMG WAIT CAN WE ADD HELA IN THERE AS WELL??? Sylkiora? Hang on, I seem to recall there was a really good shipname that involved Hela in an incesty pairing with Sylvie and... someone else? Erm... Nah, it's gone :( Sorry :(
BUT I DIGRESS. You and me and the sylki-to-thorki pipeline. ❤❤❤
(Where do you stand on the Sylvie-as-a-Thor-variant concept, btw? I'd probably read that, if it existed. But it might ENRAGE people so I feel like nobody will ever actually write it anyway.)
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ezhilmozhi · 4 years
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Why is it when Loki is represented as unable to navigate human social norms? He was brought up as an Asgardian prince, younger brother to Thor- the recognised crown prince. He’d be great at navigating the pitfalls of royal court politics. Everyone in the palace would’ve either been an enemy or someone who was seeking to gain favour with the royal family and anyone who tried to get to close to Loki would not have had HIS best interests at heart in any case.
So my headcanon - whatever self-doubt Loki feels or self-esteem issues he has - it would never show up in public. Unless he allowed someone to see it. 
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worstloki · 3 years
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So the crazy thing is that watching the Loki show with barely any knowledge about the character ended up turning me into a gigantic fan of his original characterization and story 100000x more than the actual show! Like before a few weeks ago I had never been an active Loki fan or seen any of the Thor franchise except Ragnorok (I did however already know about him being under duress in Avengers and influenced by the scepter though), but somewhere around episode 2 I started reading more about his background, fell in love with the complexities of his previous storyline, started reading a lot of gen fic/ meta analysis, watched every other movie he was in and just really getting into the Shakespearean tragedy in space themes going on in Thor 1 and the depth of his struggles, being enraged about his death in infinity war, and then proceeded to get progressively more upset with every Loki episode because of how little empathy and respect the narrative/ writers showed him and how ooc he was the entire time (also the writing in general… just… oof) and now I’m just like? Genuinely do not know what to do about how much I would have loved to see this show done by people who were experienced and loved Loki and did him justice. How did I get here???
Sounds like a perilous journey but now that you’ve gained knowledge on The Tragedy of Loki welcome to the too-late-for-the-old-characterisation-but-don’t-want-to-let-it-go club!
We usually scream about the decline of writing quality and talk about how superior the old stuff was with the knowledge that we are right to complain!
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kinnoth · 3 years
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What's your take on Thor Ragnarok? What's your take on Thor's development within the MCU so far?I'm a fan of your posts and tags!
GREAT QUESTIONS THANK YOU FOR ASKING, THANKS FOR BEING A FAN
tldr I """"like"""" Thor's canon development now bc I've done some fucking Olympic grade backfilling and contortion to recontextualize the canon to make it meaningful, but this results in me living in my own pocket universe of an interpretation where I can't really interact with other people bc they don't subscribe to my exact reading of canon
But bro I LOVE Ragnarok. I know that can be a controversial take (I've read the meta of people who think it "slaughtered" Thor and Loki's characterisations), but I just thought it was so much fun! Like on a movie watching experience level and on a lore/meta level, it's FUN. That's not something I can say for 95% of marvel movies, which are nigh universally too dimly lit and too reliant on hateful sarcasm between characters as a substitute for a relationship.
On a meta level, I 1000% subscribe to the idea that the entire movie is a retelling that Thor is preforming for his refugees, so it's a heavily edited, exaggerated, and sillier version of events meant to keep everyone's spirits up. On the point of lore continuity, I really appreciate that thor3 makes CANON and EXPLICIT Odin's campaign of imperialist violence behind his "peaceful" reign over the nine realms, I FUCKIN LOVE IT. I LOVE the context Hela gives to their family, because she makes canon and explicit Odin's disappointments in Thor. I LOVE that Mjolnir was Hela's weapon before it was Thor's because Mjolnir was never meant to be a metric for moral goodness or readiness for rule, but a metric for a colonialist's commitment to imperialist violence on behalf of an empire WHICH IS WHY IT FINDS CAPTAIN AMERICA WORTHY BUT NOT LOKI
(btw if anyone else can draw a line between Hela and Steve Rogers that is a. representative of Odin's priorities and b. includes Thor but excludes Loki, hmu, bc this is the best I got.)
(Mjolnir rejects Thor in thor1 bc Thor was trying to conquer Jotunheim for personal glory and doesn't accept him again until he starts thinking about the good of the empire again by protecting Midgard, an imperial asset. Mjolnir rejects Loki bc Loki is a not an imperialist in service of an empire)
Off topic but I know a lot of people get hung up on Thor leaving Loki paralyzed in the parking garage, potentially to be found by the grandmasters dudes? Like people say that was unaccountably cruel and ooc for Thor. But like, ok, they killed everyone on the way up, and Thor knows his armed gladiator rebellion is on his heels also headed for the parking garage, so I dunno, I never read it as Loki was in any particular danger? But I'm a notorious Thor apologist as well as a Loki apologist so 🤷‍♂️
Things I also love: loki defunding the military to spend that money on art and infrastructure, Loki's live action thorki fanfic that Asgard unaccountably loved, Loki stonewalling Odin's attempt to reconcile bc fuck Odin, Thor's lightning powers, Bruce banner is now a Jewish grandma, Hela have I mentioned Hela love that girlboss, Jeff goldblum love that wiggly man, the Valkyrie love that angry girl, "piss off ghost", inglorious deaths for all the warriors 3, "I'm here" (screaming, crying, shaking), the story about how Loki bit Thor as a snake as well as the confirmation that they are in fact the same age
I have complicated feelings about Thor's canon development tbh. On a very ground floor sort of reaction, I despise what they did to My Boy in infinity war and endgame. I think it's a disgusting character assassination and I don't think the russos understand humour and specifically how to use humour to expand on tragedy like what thor3 did.
On the other hand, if you've read my fic and meta, you'll know that I've accepted the canon development, bc at this point, I've done a LOT of very deliberate and concerted labour to MAKE the canon development we see between thor1 and endgame WORK. But, like, there was a LOT of labour that I, specifically, put into it. It fully relies on me specifically doing a lot of digging and reaching and mining these movies for every possible frame of content to the point where I am pretty sure I've put more effort into making all the development make continuous sense than any of the screenwriters put into the actual development.
And I think I've probably just drank too much of my own Kool aid but like, I am in a position now where I do think my interpretation of Thor's character development is THE most complete and accurate reading of his character development. Key to these points are: a) I think he is an ex-imperialist who is currently and actively trying to deprogram himself from the colonialists' mindset that Odin instilled within him b) he is trying to deprogram himself from Asgard's culture of extreme toxic masculinity wherein he was not taught to have any sort of emotional processing that did not involve physical violence c) Loki is/was/always will be the person he loves best
So like, as I try to show in my thorki canonverse fics (shameless plug for myself), I can make most of the bad decisions made about Thor's character in infinity war and endgame work if I recontextualize all of his canon actions with my own (well supported, well documented) headcanon'd baggage. Of course he goes on a death wish mission to get revenge on Thanos -- he has a literal deathwish bc he was already supposed to die with Loki. Of course he sinks into an unshakeable depression afterwards -- he has no identity now that he has no family bc he was never taught to live by himself or for himself. Of course he leaves new Asgard and abdicates his rule -- he hasn't wanted a hand in the dirty business of Empire ever since Odin's ambition got his mom and brother killed in thor2, and that hasn't changed. I try to make him go through all the canon-implied feelings and anxieties and doubts in front of the reader. My entire goal of this is that people read my shit, then look at canon and think "oohh that context DOES make it better!" I will be gratified if that is the case.
(The only thing I cannot fix is the bit in endgame where Thor walks past Loki's Tupperware cell and the narrative doesn't come to a screeching fucking halt as Thor has so many feelings that he has some sort of paralytic breakdown where he simultaneously wants to commit Time Crime (tm) so he can just stay here forever and also wishes he could just die here, next to loki, like he was always supposed to. Like, that needed to happen to really lynchpin all of my work together into one smooth, problem free reading, but I'm not allowed to have nice things so)
(oh also I didn't like Thor calling frigga "mom". Shouldn't it at least be "mum"? I think "mother" is best tbh, bc I don't really read them as having that sort of relationship, see "toxic masculinity", see also "homosocial socialisation")
(and ok I get that it was a nice moment for Thor to call the hammer back to his hand, and I get that it even still works with my headcanon that mjolnir finds Thor worthy still bc Thor is defending the imperial asset that is Midgard, but like God damnit. The uncritical and unquestioning use of that word "worthy" when he catches the hammer again. Like worthy of what you guys? Do you ever ask yourself that question bc I very much do. I kinda wish they didnt bring it up at all, or if they did, it didn't come back to Thor's hand and he is just like, wistfully, "that's all right, I suspected as much. I'm such a different man now, mjolnir doesn't recognize me. I don't think I'd be alive right now if I had been the same man I was")
Wow that got long, anyway, thanks for chatting with me! Again, always a pleasure to field asks!
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keepyourlife · 3 years
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What fics do you like/read/recommend?
Difficult question, cause recommendations I can give but only very limited.
What I like? Slow Burn, Angst, Fluff, damn it I also read Smut sometimes, AUs (I mention something about that later). Basically: I want to suffer, I want to cry, but give me a happy ending. I LOVE good interpreted characters and I LOOOVE well-written relations. What I mean by that is, basically, if a sibling relationship is weirdly written, I tend to just.. not read the story at all. Does that make sense? Whatever.
While I read a lot, I rarely save what I read and more often than not I kind of.. lose half of the fics I read? There’s one I am currently obsessed with, which I found via @worstloki:
doubt truth to be a liar. absolutely amazing tbh. it’s about a younger Loki suddenly appearing in the Avengers Tower, without any memories about what happened (post Ragnarok), it’s got trans Peter & cultural differences between Asgard and Midgard I find quite interesting. Cause while I do know that comic Loki mentioned that the concept of gender and sexuality do not exist in Asgard the way they do on Midgard (I think that is what he said), I found the differences portrayed in that story very believable and also super interesting, cause I didn’t think of that? Especially interesting when you know a bit about the Viking age and its culture, which MCU Asgard clearly was set to resemble.
So, next I need to put a little disclaimer about myself: I normally do not like Reader fics, because more often than not they’re super ooc and I just find this whole.. “y/n” thing kind of offputting and it just makes me uninterested very often. However I have a friend who do likes these kind of stories. And she lets me know. And she needs someone to talk about these stories, so there’s that. And I read a handfull of them and tbh only those I actually find 1. well-written, 2. well characterised & 3. no darn use of “y/n”, cause no I never imagine myself there, I create characters in my head for each story.
A Job Million PRs Would Die For by @saiansha. Jesus fucking christ the amount of times I re-read this story. Honestly, it is, I think, the first Reader fanfic I read in my entire life, was super weary at first cause. idk. I know some people on this website (and AO3, let’s be real) that just post very weird stuff. This one has an interpretation of Loki that I can 100% believe and it is one I support. That was one of my main reasons to continue reading, but it’s also the general writing style that I like and that there’s a Reader character, who is not a helpless damsel in distress. Ultimate proof of that was the most recent chapter. (dear author knows my thoughts, I dared to dm cause I was just. very enthuasiastic about this story)
Broken Crown by @michelleleahhh​. Second one I started reading at one point cause my friend kept asking me to read it. a kind-of AU? It’s set in Asgard. That’s what you need to know. Again, a story that had me from the beginning, once I started. For the writing style and for the characterisation. The story really had me guessing sometimes, cause,, well-written! and really good dialogue!! damn you Freya!! and a decent Reader character that doesn’t have me ripping out my own intestines. (also very enthusiastic about this story, yes this phrasing as a meaning)
Foruneyti by Evaldrynn or @foruneyti (I tagged the blog for the story here, too, don’t mind me pls) Also kind of an AU, basically just Asgard. Anyway, I am so in love with the aesthetic this story gives me. It’s hard to explain, but after 85 chapters I just have this very clear picture in my head of what I think this story looks like. Now, Reader here is also good and well-written, the Original Characters are likeable and not super overpowered, neither is Reader. The canon characters are, in my humble opinion, interpreted nicely and tbh for some reason I just always imagine them in this comic style, rather than the way the films portray them.
Of Different Emotions by @wanderingworldwarrior. my. goodness. I am in love with these stories and I am just. so desperate for an update. idk if we will ever get one, but honestly, I re-read it this week and. Just stopped after the second part, cause I can’t deal with the pain of the third part one more time. First part is set pre-Thor 1, second part is set during Thor 1 and the third during The Avengers. I love the Reader character a lot and the Original Characters just. belong so much to the story. idk I just love the way this story is written, I love the characters, I just love it a lot, alright.
Onwards to anime. Bungou Stray Dogs:
where your loyalties lie by writingfromtheshadows. this!! story!! it’s so good!! it’s a Yakuza!AU and oh my gooood. It’s all just so so well put, compared to canon and I love the dynamics Dazai and Chuuya have here.
Forgettable Significance by Witheryvine. THIS STORY. took my sanity, threw it out of the window and then spat on me. It broke my heart so very often, cause it manages to make you question yourself. morals about relationships out of the window. I re-read this story like five times.
still still still by toriosaurus. I was waiting, desperately, for every single chapter. This AU gives me everything I need and more. I remember doing fanart for this story and being very proud of it, even though it did no justice to the original story. Normally I am not a fan of, idk what to call it, no power AUs because most people just do the thing wrong for me. But this one hits.
If I recommend Twist and Shout now I get thrown into Turbohell, so idk if you want a very sinful Destiel fanfic, then read
Hot Water by Chiyume. I was 16, I decided to read Destiel fanfictions and this one kind of did it for me.
Don’t @ me. I really read a lot more than this, but I suck at organising myself and I just barely ever save shit. Also it’s late, I’ve been on a video call with my friend for over three hours now and I just like to clown when I am tired. Anyway, I used to bookmark Destiel fanfics back in the day and the rest is just. Read it, kudos, comment, and then I forget to save. The multichapter fics are often still in my subscribes, but sometimes. just.. not.
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the-ice-sculpture · 3 years
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Reflecting on the Loki show
Hurray – fewer instances of cringey humour in Episode 2 than Episode 1!
Shame about there not being a single scene in the entire episode in Episode 2 where Loki felt in character
If this wasn’t a Loki show, I’d probably be enjoying it at the same level as a casual viewer of any other TV show. The plot’s interesting with a different take on time travel that I’ve seen, and there are no boring moments. But I can’t get past the lack of MCU Loki here. I just... Ugh. It’s so frustrating. No other media could get away with the main character suddenly having a personality transplant, but because it’s Marvel people are... fine with it, for some reason?
I can live with the tone and plot being different to what I’d do with it if I’d had the choice. I’ve said multiple times in the past that just because the show probably won’t give me what I want from it doesn’t mean that the show can’t be good in its own right. But what I didn’t anticipate before any of the trailers started coming out was that the Loki here might not feel like MCU Loki at all. I can forgive a lot of things, but I just can’t wrap my head around the sheer number of people who must have given the green light to all the decisions made about his characterisation. Those kinds of things can’t just be blamed on one person, it’d be a combination of the writers, directors, actors, producers...
I never thought that Loki finally getting to be the main character on screen (how many years have I wanted that to happen? 7? 8?) would be the thing to cause me to have my first ever thoughts about quitting this fandom.
I’m not having fun. I’m used to being more than a bit disappointed. I even stayed in the fandom after Thor: Ragnarok came about without much complaining, despite not being a fan of a fair amount of elements in it. I even stayed after Infinity War and Endgame came out with very little complaining either, despite how many things there were that I didn’t like in them. I even rewatched Game of Thrones after being just as unsatisfied with how it was tied up as everyone else was, and I still love the first four seasons and some scenes from later on (yes, even including Season 8).
But I’m not used to being this level of disappointed. The past month I’ve gone from having 5 different Loki WIPs I wanted to write to suddenly not being sure if I want to finish any of them at all. I mean, at least two of them will be finished because they’re oneshots for an event and I’ve already done most of the work so I might as well, but the contrast with my motivation is huge.
I don’t want to leave this fandom. I still have things I (hypothetically) want to write. I have over 100,000 words of various unpublished Loki fanfics that I’ve been working on. I don’t want them to go to waste. I want to finish what I started. It’s not like the enthusiasm for the idea of the stories has gone, it’s just... I don’t know, the overarching disappointment and not having fun in a fandom space anymore? How strongly Loki is associated with me feeling bitter and miserable now? How the show and the experience outside of it is doing the opposite of inspiring me?
I don’t to be that person either. You know, the one who has an entire blog dedicated to moaning about something. The one who seems determined to interpret everything in the worst possible light, regardless of rationalism. The one who seems like they’d never be satisfied unless something was made 100% their way, and if it wasn’t then of course it’s Problematic and that’s why it’s Just Plain Bad, and it’s nothing to do with personal taste and a certain amount of projection. The one who starts getting positive reinforcement about hating something, so it becomes a habit and before they know it, it’s part of their daily routine, and they’re still regularly doing it years later. The one who goes on about how ‘if you’re a true fan of [x] and really understood [x], this would bother you’, or worse, starts making it personal with the real people involved in the creation of the show.
But the experience of not liking the show is a lonely one. There are other people who don’t agree on his characterisation either, I know. But when the vast majority of people who watch it seem not to find the changes in his entire character jarring? When people are going around saying that it’s not until now that the writers have finally understood Loki? When you get people acting like anyone who voices any criticism whatsoever is ridiculous and shouldn’t be in the fandom and behaves like they might catch the Taint of Negativity if they were to associate with them? When any criticisms are dismissed as ‘people who just want to hate the show’?
Believe me, I don’t want to hate the show. I’d love to be happy with the show. But I'm not. This Loki doesn’t feel like MCU Loki. The only time he did feel like himself to me was during the scene towards the end of Episode 1 where he was watching parts of his life on screen. That’s it. Over one and a half hours into the series so far, 1/3 of the entire show. Out of all that, only one scene.
And now every time I see people being happy about the show it makes me feel resentful. And, no, I’m not going to add anything negative to their posts or say anything to them. If the show is what it is and there’s no changing it then it’s better at least some people get to enjoy it rather than it bringing about universal misery. I don’t want to take away anyone else’s happiness. I just to feel happy too, but I don’t, and I’m painfully aware of it.
I don’t know where I’m going with this, I think I’m just venting. 
I don’t know what the solution is either. Space from fandom for a bit? I mean, I’ve been doing this a bit already recently (not full commitment, just more than usual), but I like being able to use tumblr as an escape. Unfollow people/leave Discord groups? But there are people who I’ve had plenty of positive interactions with, and I don’t want to lose those connections.
It’s really dumb, but I like my fandom corner. I like knowing that if I post a fic, there’ll be a certain small group of people who’ll probably read it, and a smaller chunk of those who’ll comment on it, even all these years later. And there are still so many stories I want to tell with Loki, so many things I haven’t done yet, but... 
Yeah, I don’t know if my motivation will come back or not (I’m leaning towards maybe not). Or how much the fandom will change as a result of the show. I’d expect a wave newcomers, but if a lot of new fics being written are largely based on the show characterisation (and if reader expectation of Loki’s characterisation lies with that too), then I have little to no interest in it.
Oh, and another thing to add to my list of things I don’t want to be: I don’t want to be that person who is all ‘I’ve been here longer and know better and am therefore more of a real fan than any of you new people’. So there’s that.
Ultimately, I think I’m eventually going to have to choose between staying and trying to squash/somehow extinguish any bitter feelings, or leaving. I don’t like either of those options very much. It might be premature of me to post this before the show has ended because my feelings might change, but, unsurprisingly, writing is a good way of processing feelings and I’ve been having a lot of them that need processing.
In case anyone’s actually read this obscene amount of rambling, I’m okay, I’m not, like, weeping over this as I write or anything. But it’s still not a great feeling to have a place that was once my favourite place for escapism and creativity to make me feel like I might not be welcome or like I might not want to be there. And it’s not like I can easily just switch over to another fandom to write for, because there are no other characters who have inspired me to write anywhere near much as Loki has. So, yes, I’m feeling a little sorry for myself. All over a fictional TV show. I repeat: it’s dumb.
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patricianandclerk · 4 years
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Hi! I saw your post about becoming a Professional writer and I have a question - why do you equate that with stopping writing fanfic (at least that's how I understood)? Do you think you won't have time/creative energy or inclination? And do you want to be connected as a writer to your fandom work? Feel free to ignore if that's too personal. I'm just interested because even though I'm very much a beginner but I want art someday to be my job/part of it and those kind of questions are on my mind.
I mean...
To be blatantly honest, if I have a choice between writing stories that will get published and actually earn me money as well as response and feedback, as opposed to writing stories that will be published on Ao3 and might garner response and feedback, I will not be looking at the latter. And to be honest?
Once my original stuff is getting looked at seriously, there won’t really be a reason for me to play in other people’s universes unless I’m writing scripts for a universe, or tie-in novels, anything like that.
The thing that makes my fanfic good is the same thing that makes my original fiction good - strong characters and complicated layers of characterisation, all manner of worldbuilding, unique plots, like... I come up with things a lot of other people don’t, and to be honest?
It would be a waste if I just threw them into fanfic only when I can actually earn money doing this, and build universes of my own that are distinct and fun and that people can lose themselves in. 
I don’t mind if my name stays connected to the fanfic. Like, a lot of the ideas that I use in fanfic - a lot of my angel-related worldbuilding (which you can see in Good Omens fic, or my Supernatural fic, or if you’ve been following me for years, you’ll have seen the beginnings of the stuff in the Bayett Inn in a Les Misérables angels AU called Les Anges Par Terre) can be seen in fanfic; a lot of my meta about my own universes in how magic works...
Even my version of Loki, which you can see in pretty much every Loki fic I write, has been adapted into another character in my original work because like. He wasn’t ever really importantly connected to the canon Loki anyway - he started off as a 616/MCU fusion and then became something, frankly, far more interesting and far better made. 
And it’s wonderful that those ideas started off in fanfic! It’s wonderful that I was able to play with the canon universes and then move to craft my own stuff, to build on basic building blocks and make things more interesting to me and more fun, and now I can go with them to work on my own stuff.
I get when people say that fanfic is just as valuable as original stuff because like... In many ways, from a crafting point of view, it is. But like, professionally? It’s... valueless. You can’t show it in a portfolio; you can’t sell it. If you can scrape a fanfic of names and remarket it as an original piece, to be quite honest, it obviously wasn’t a very good fanfic in the first place, and should have been an original piece from the beginning. 
And to be honest, like, the... reputation thing is aside like. I’m aware that in five, in ten years, if I have books published, I’ll probably have to answer questions about my fanfic, and some of them will be journalists who think the fanfic is “weird” or whatever; some questions will probably be from fans having temper tantrums that I wrote ~problematic~ things or that I don’t write them anymore, blah blah, but like... From a publisher’s POV, if I was publishing someone’s works, I’d find it weird if they insisted on working on writing stuff for free based on other author’s universes rather than their own stuff.
Fanfic, for me, was always a stepping stone, a training ground where I could attempt new things and build skills, in order to use them in my real work later on. That’s not how everybody sees it! But it’s the case for me. 
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the other side of infinity (director‘s commentary)
For the handful of readers who like seeing my process.
Just after Infinity War showed, I was on tumblr skimming through, and someone had linked to the theory: What If The Infinity Stones Are Like The Elder Wand?
And my brain went: OOOH!
I’m always up for a version of a story that involves the background characters taking frontline positions - after all, I write Maria Hill, who’s the most background of backgrounds for even fans who like the female characters - and this idea was perfect. The characters who were Masters of the infinity stones were all dead, the comics had already done the ‘trapped in the soulstone’ storyline for Infinity War, and it gave me the chance to tie in the relationship connections that must exist behind the scenes if we’re to believe the characterisation of the people who aren’t in the foreground, as well as the way the scenes play out in canon.
The result was the other side of infinity.
The first theory really influenced me in terms of the story, where it was going, what everyone was doing. I am absolutely indebted to this theory for the final solution to this story, the question was always how I was going to get it there. Putting Maria in instead of Gamora allowed me to tie in themes of parental figures, what love actually looks like (even if it's not something that we'd name 'love' in English), as well as bringing in the echoes of willing sacrifice and self-sacrifice to achieve goals. And I couldn't resist giving Nebula the chance to kill Thanos in one timeline, even if Gamora got the kill in the end.
The theory about Jane and Peter Quill being siblings (Jane Foster: Ego’s Daughter) is an interesting one, and I didn't actually get introduced to it until after I'd finished the fic. (Thank you @salazarastark!) I referenced it, but left that one up in the air, because I didn't know if I wanted to add another five hundred words about Ego and earth women.
Yes, I killed Nick Fury. I have an allergy to stories where everything turns out fine and nobody is dead. People die, and it stings to all buggery, but everyone dies. More important to me is that characters have a meaningful death - that it changes something, has significance. So I didn't have an issue with Phil dying in the original Avengers, because he got Loki and he united the Avengers in his death. I wasn't exactly delighted that they brought him back in Agents of SHIELD.
Nick dies with a purpose in mind - he absolutely dies for the very reason that he's been living all these years: to keep Earth safe and defend it from anything that would fuck it up. And yeah, he's not a nice person or a good person, but purity culture has really messed us up - I'm a firm believer that sometimes you just need someone to be on your side for the moment, and you can go back to being enemies when the time comes. (cf. Loki.)
Maria. What can I say about her that I haven't already said in 200+ fics? IMO she's gotten the shortest, sharpest, shittiest end of the deal from the moviemakers, the moviegoers, and fandom (and, some would say, in getting stuck with me as a passionate defender) and even the people who like her mostly wouldn't notice if she vanished from canon next week. (Oh, wait, she has vanished from canon with Far From Home.)
One knows not to expect 'further, faster, higher' in outwards-facing storytelling from Americans - the instant it goes international, they're almost universally completely lost, and don't even think about what a universe might look like beyond Earth's horizons, let alone a polity in which Earth might be able to stand on its own two feet instead of becoming enslaved or destroyed. (There was an interesting article on why our storytelling had such an obsession with aliens coming in and either enslaving us, destroying us down to the last bit, or corrupting our geneset. Although, really, it all comes down to the root of what created white colonialism.)
In many ways, this story is my id on display: from a non-white saviour who sacrifices his life for the many, to the literal and figurative idea that sometimes saving the world isn't nice and shiny bright, but involves literal and figurative blood on your hands. I suspect I haven't quite managed to express this as clearly as I'd have liked. Them's the breaks.
Overall, I am so relieved that this got written - it was all in question for a while, but a serious push during Feburary and beyond made a huge difference, and discovering 4thewords as a writing tool also changed the game for me.
Many thanks to the early readers who kept commenting with “this is intriguing” and “i can’t wait to read this” - it really really helped to know that there was someone (other than me) who wanted to read the finished product! And so many thanks to the people who’ve actively encouraged me with comments and kudos in the last couple of years as my fanfic drifted further and further from canon.
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teamironmanforever · 5 years
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I went to see the movie and honestly? I hated it. (Buckle up bc this is gonna be like a 10 part ask) First: Tony my sweet baby you didn’t deserve that. Honestly I loved that he finally got to marry Pepper and had Morgan, but the ending just made that meaningless to me. Morgan and Pepper while they had some really cute moments, didn’t serve much purpose to the plot at all other than make Tony’s death sadder. AKA they used his family as a way to manipulate the audience, which is not cool. 1/?
I loved Morgan and I love Pepper, but they could have removed them from the film and it wouldn’t have made much difference other than Tony making that choice faster. It was a cheap way to make us even sadder that he died and I hated it. If a character serves no other purpose than that then you’re doing something wrong. Also, as I understand it, in the comics he wore the gauntlet and didn’t die, so WTF?? Also that moment when he finally snaps at Steve for CACW was ultimately disappointing No one took his pain seriously and was disregarded as him being half dead, starved and delusional. AND Steve didn’t even apologise for his fuck up. They just wanted to get the fans that are mad at CACW and AOU mollified without actually having anyone acknowledge what happened. Gross. And the fact that Tony had to be the bigger man?? I love that my son is healing but it still isn’t right. (I could go on for hours about this, so let’s move on for now) Second: Thor. I’ll admit I didn’t really feel anything for his character until Ragnarok, when I officially adopted him and Loki (who they did so dirty in IW, but let’s not touch that right now). They erased all his character development and made him the butt of fat jokes and did not acknowledge the fact that he was probably dealing with severe depression and PTSD. But hey he got fat so let’s laugh at him! Ugh, it was painful to see what they did to him Also I just can’t get around my head that he wouldn’t be out there helping his people, and instead stayed eating junk food and beer for years (and would most likely have gained weight because he didn’t have to be as physically active as before). Thor at his very core isn’t that, he would have kept going for what was left of Asgard, he would have lead his people instead of leaving them to their devices. And the end?? He wouldn’t have left New Asgard to go traveling through space with the Guardians, that made 0 sense and I stand by this point, HE WOULDN’T HAVE LEFT THE ASGARDIANS, not even leaving Valkyrie in charge, he just wouldn’t have. That whole thing was stupid and probably a way to set up a new Thor movie and I’m not buying it. Also the fact that Steve could lift Mjolnir and that meant he had Thor’s powers?? That’s not how it works?? It is stated in Ragnarok that the Hammer was just a way for Thor to channel his powers, not that the hammer gave him powers, just no. Also him getting Mjolnir back was completely unnecessary and just proves even more how they didn’t care for Thor’s development in previous movies. Bruce: He felt off the entire movie, gave me the creeps. Clint: They made him a racist serial killer vigilante and then they just never mentioned it again?? Was that necessary?? If I didn’t like him before now I like him even less. Nat: I felt her characterisation was good this movie. Then they ruined it by using her as a catalyst for man pain. I don’t like her but she deserved better than that. Nebula: I actually liked her this movie, nothing bad to say here (or if there’s anything I haven’t realised it yet) Steve: I’ll admit I’ve hated him ever since AoU and even more after CACW, I can’t stand him, the salty fics where he get owned are my favourites and I haven’t been able to read any fics where he gets anything remotely like happy ending in years, I shy away from every movie that he has been in, I spent all the movie rolling my eyes whenever he spoke (except for the “I know I know” part because that was hilarious. But even so I don’t agree with what they did to his character in the movie. I hate but I still know what his values are, and Steve wouldn’t have done that, ever. He basically erased all of Peggy’s family from existence, putting himself above others, when the very core of his character is that he doesn’t do that! For me it was just bad and lazy writing. Also the fact that he spoke like 7 words to Bucky in the whole movie was just ??? This isn’t Steve Rogers, I don’t know who this is but it’s not him. Besides that a big thing in his character arcs is him adapting to the XXI century and stating that he isn’t the man he was before he went into the ice!! Erased his character development completely (there are several posts expanding on why the end they gave him is bullshit, there are more reasons than the ones I pointed out) Scott: He was alright. Then every other character that appeared was just there for the fanservice and it showed. Peter was there to make Tony’s death sadder, T’Challa and Shuri and Okoye and all the Wakandans were there because they had to have them there for the final battle, they could have exchanged them for other characters and it wouldn’t have changed a single fucking thing. Same with all the women that appeared in the final battle only, they were there because they couldn’t not have them there, and the scene with all of them was cool but in hindsight it didn’t serve much purpose and was a lazy way to try to make us forget that they’ve never given a single fuck about MCU women. But hey! We had the Wakandans and a scene with all the MCU ladies together!! We can’t possibly be racist or sexist right? It was hollow and it falls apart if you start to think about it even a little. Also the whole time travel rules they explained in such a convoluted way?? And then they didn’t even follow their own time travel rules??? That was just lazy writing to get the characters to fuck with the timeline as much as they wanted without having to worry about any ripple effects through the timeline continuity. Terrible And LGBT+ rep was badly executed and very disappointing. I’m sure there are things I’m forgetting, but at least all of those things make it a terrible movie for me. They did all the characters so dirty. (I’ll never forgive them for this, specially for what they did to Tony)
WELL THAT WAS DEFINITELY A LONG ASK but I am so glad you got that out of your chest my dude!!!!! 
I don’t agree with everything you’ve said, I’ll start there. 
I am a BIG natasha fan so this movie really really did great work with her and while her death hurt me, it is the ONE death I can see myself coming to terms with because if she had to go? That was the way to do it. That’s the Nat I know and love; she chose how she went out and she chose to do it for everyone. She has always been a character craving redemption for her past, and an escape - she wanted a new chance. And while she did not get a happy ending she did good in the world. She atoned and she found as much peace as was permitted in her story. Also let’s not forget she was the one LEADING the avengers when Steve fucked off for 5 yrs because reasons. 
I also don’t think the women in the film were there for fanservice. It IS important to see these badass women fighting, because that’s how it starts. That’s how we get representation. They all had a purpose and a role; they all have a story to tell. As for Pepper she exists completely outside of Tony. Yes it hurts us more because now he doesn’t have his family - but Pepper has been such an integral part of the Iron Man narrative, not as a plot device but rather as her own woman with her own thoughts and goals - that her being in endgame made perfect sense. She and Tony have the single strongest and likely most healthy relationship in the shitshow that is the MCU - there is a level of love and devotion there not seen anywhere else. 
Yes Bruce was definitely off - they tried to dumb him down to show just how utterly necessary Tony was in saving their asses, which I can appreciate, but it still felt very very off. The whole jockey thing didn’t work for me. 
And yup 100% what they did with Thor hurt me deep inside my soul. Like… it was just not right man. 
Also yes the LGBT+ rep promised sucked ass like WOW queerbaiting 101 my dudes!! Are we really back to that!?!?!?!?
As for the rest of things - like I said I don’t agree on everything but it would take me too long to write that all out so I will say this: I REALLY hope you feel better because trust me I am on the same boat of feeling bitter and sad and just unable to see the things that were good in the movie. So yeah I hope getting it out of your chest helped :) 
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not-poignant · 6 years
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11, 24, and 30?
11.fandom you enjoyed writing for the most this year
A toss up between Fae Tales and Marvel Loki fandom. I mean let’s face it, the Rise of the Guardians fandom is extremely quiet overall. And I’m used to that, and I know that, but it also means that when I write for other fandoms I’m sometimes reminded of what an active fandom can be like. I’m normally writing rarepairs in uncommon fandoms (I see you, Stardew Valley), so writing the Frostmaster fic for the Loki fandom was fucking amazing.
There is a fairly solid community of like, long-term Loki fans who have all been looking forward to Ragnarok to revive the fandom and it’s been amazing. I’m not so much into Frostmaster as a pairing, but just seeing all the Loki fanart, seeing how active that fic got etc. has been just a really fun adventure, and I’ve gotten way more from writing in that side pairing because of the fandom, than I would have done otherwise.
And Fae Tales because the faedom peeps are just really cool. This year marked the start of the Discord chat, which has been quietly active, as well as the relaunch of the Patreon. It’s seen the first official piece of Fae Tales merchandise as well as an increase in podfics and a steady stream of fanart and fanworks from extremely talented/skilled people. Like, it’s a small fandom, but it’s a passionate one, and that’s very inspiring / motivating.
(Actually Fae Tales probably pulls ahead, it was really nice writing for a popular character in a popular fandom (popular by my standards lol), but the faedom is like...very steady, and very awesome as a result).
24. favorite fic you read this year 
(I’m answering this one multiple times for different fandoms I CANNOT BE TAMED).
From the Harry Potter fandom, it actually ended up being a Severitus fic (Severus is Harry’s father) that like, I mean I am not into that as a theme, I rarely want anything to do with it, and I’ve usually seen it done as a kind of ‘corporal punishment’ thing which I don’t...actually vibe with personally and find kind of squicky.
So cue this gem, which was just actually a solid story of one boy’s journey / recovery through child abuse, and the bad tempered father figure who desperately doesn’t want Harry Potter to know he’s his actual father. I have reread this like...god like ten times this year?
Title: Digging for the BonesAuthor: PaganaiddPairing: GenFandom: Harry Potter (POA era)Wordcount: 200~k (complete)
30. favorite fandom to read fic from this year
Oh boy, this is tough. Like I read in a lot of fandoms this year, and easily consumed over 1,000 fics - but they’re all...difficult to read in for different reasons. Black Butler is plagued by a lot of terrible fanfiction (which is fine really - people write what they write - it’s just tiring to wade through it). Harry Potter is plagued by just a lot of characterisations of Snape and/or Harry that I don’t really love. So I’m actually going to denote ‘favourite fandom to read fic from this year’ by like... how often and how easy it was to find awesome fanfiction. I.e. huge fucking payout in exchange for the effort put in.
And that was Thor/Loki with a secondary Steve/Loki thanks to the fact that everything by @veliseraptor is gold (eVERYTHING) and everything she recs is generally gold too, which has made reading in the Marvel fandom - for me at least - an extremely pleasurable time overall this year. Also I reread all of Remember this Cold and it was GREAT.
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From this meme!
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paperchimes · 6 years
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Have the fanfic questions! \o/ 2, 8, 21, 29, 44
Amiiigooooo thank you so much for asking these! (immediately glomps you first for safe measure) ;w;——————2. What fandoms do you write for and do you have a particular favourite if you write for more than one?- Oh man, oh man, I would say that I have written for Hiddlesworth, mostly. I have a few smaller fandoms like TGS, Thorki, Bioshock, Dishonored, Life Is Strange, Kingdom Hearts and loads more.- I don’t really have a favourite fandom per say, but I love writing Pacific Rim AU’s ‘v’
8. Where do you take your inspiration from? - Holy cow, this was the question I’ve always dreamed to be asked but I think I’ve forgotten the answer I had planned out.- I’d say that it just comes to me. Most of my ideas are basically “what-if’s” and I am a huge sucker of AU’s and canon divergences. I think basically, I just have a lot of feelings and I just need to put them somewhere. (vague arm gestures)
21. Tell me about another writer(s) who you admire? What is it about them that you admire?- Okay, I’d just need to give a bit of a disclaimer here because if I were to 100% start gushing right here, right now about every single writer I have ever loved, everyone would kill me for stretching out their dashboards, so I am actively limiting myself to 2 authors, one of them, @black-nata- I have been a fan of Nata’s ever since the first time I saw her posting on livejournal and can I just say that her works are the most evoking, beautiful and vivid pieces of writing I have ever read. Also, her characterisations of Thor and Loki are so respectfully done. They are - after all - demigods, aliens and it is so profoundly beautiful to see them written as such. Essentially, they are beings of light, chaos and passion and it is a great pleasure to read each and every bit of her fanfiction
- And the second writer is @silverlynxx (you, you potato). I really super admire the descriptive and gorgeous way you write PT and Phillip from TGS. The characterisations are super on-point and can I just say (I am sorry to say this publicly) but your smut is crazy good. Could I ever write like that? I have no idea ;v;
29. Do you have a story that you feel doesn’t get as much love as you’d like?- Oh my, a controversial question. ‘w’ I mean I would say that I am pleased whenever any piece of my writing gets noticed and I am sure that all my fics are noticed by at least one person.- My honest answer would be The Coast of Maine, but of course I mean it’s very niche, to be fair. It’s Bioshock Infinite characters in Pacific Rim setting, so I can imagine I’m working with a teeny piece of a Venn diagram here. (anyway it’s under construction, so I’ll revamp it before reposting it again)
44. What is the last line you wrote?- She looked at him with those bright emerald eyes that could demand the world. ——————Send me a fanfiction writer’s ask and I’ll answer your questions
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worstloki · 2 years
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gonna ask multiple: U , G , H , O , S , T ;)
(added T for the fun of it but it’s ur wish if you want to answer it or not.)
U: Share three of your favorite fic writers and why you like them so much.
I just did this but that's fine I've got more
AuroraWest has a lovely mix of many things. Usually ships but also neat friendships :) Notably a lot of froststrange. I like their gen stuff the most (and they have a fair amount of that too which is fun).
NamelessDragon writes brilliant characterisations for everyone, and I'm enjoying Cold Frame and In Cold Blood currently.
Jackaloki only has 1 series (Eat, Pray, Loki) but it's really good sgvbhdasfhj lovely team dynamic and Loki foolishly has gotten adopted by the Avengers, which I have a fondness for
G: Do you write your story from start to finish, or do you write the scenes out of order?
From start to finish, but when I know what is to happen I often leave little notes or examples of dialogue to use later at the end of the doc
H: How would you describe your style?
Incredibly niche and for a target audience of 3, but in a convincing trenchcoat
O: How do you begin a story–with the plot, or the characters?
a vague image of 1 thing i specifically want to happen and the story unfolds from there
S: Any fandom tropes you can’t resist?
soulmates but soft™ and not necessarily romantic. I also am really vibing with bodysharing right now, though I've only written a bit of it so far. hm.
T: Any fandom tropes you can’t stand?
I don't think so. Not a fan of unacknowledged discriminatory undertones (which with its prevalence I think should count as one.)
fanfic ask game
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kinnoth · 3 years
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hi! i hope this isn’t a weird question but given your opinions/meta and the way you write your fics i was wondering if you have any thorki fic recs? i agree with literally all you say and so i’m sure the stuff you’d recommend are going to be right up my ally. don’t feel forced tho!! you can ignore this message or just take it as me complimenting your work!
Ok so I'm a very old, very picky fan. I don't know if this is obvious or not, but this is my like third or fourth run through this particular ship and this particular fandom. Like, if you look through my "the asshole liveblogs" tag, I'm pretty sure you'll find me liveblogging the Thor movies like 3 separate times lol.
Anyway, so most of the stuff I read back when I was really active in the fanfiction scene is pretty old. Like pre-2015 probably. That being said, I do have a fairly large collection of thorki fic that I saved for my personal archive! A lot of it is from livejournal and a lot of that is off of kink memes. I can't speak for the quality of it necessarily? Bc, like, it's been 6 years and 6 subsequent movies lol. It's all in a Dropbox which I can share if you wanna pm me an email address or something!
If not, I can say I really enjoyed AstoIat's stuff specifically for her writing of Loki and how entangled he is with his magic. I don't like so much her writing of Thor (she falls into the very common fandom trap of interesting!Loki/Thor-is-also-here-i-guess). I am also not entirely convinced of her interpretation of their relationship bc I really do see them as really much more loving than she likes them, but her plots are fun as hell, her fics are epic length, and I appreciate her grasp on characters' voices and motivations
Other than that, I thought along a dark desert highway was pretty cute. I liked the OC little girl character and I liked that it dealt with the logistics of thor and loki being stuck on earth in mortal bodies.
I liked parts of shadow plays for the premise and the overall hopeless sense of repetition that is the structure of the fic. (I like hopelessness as a theme lol.) I also like that this Thor is given the credit of being intelligent and very canny. I am not 100% on board with the noncon characterisation, but again, I'm very picky and also kind of a killjoy!
Anyway, I'm sure I'll think of others. Dunno if you're the same anonymous who's been sending me messages, but thanks for talking to me! Keep sending me asks! It's a good time!
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