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lunabug2004 · 2 months

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Why the Troy and Angela Situations Should Not Be Compared (+ Why Mike's Reaction Is Valid)

One of the things that gets my blood boiling as a Mike defender is when people try to compare the bullying/El's reaction to said bullying between the Troy and Angela scenes. They are not the same thing, not even close! Yes, they're both cases of bullying, but two very different levels of extreme.

Yes, I understand that words can hurt just as much, if not more, than a physical weapon, and Mike understands this too, that's why he tries to connect with El the morning after. But in the real world, one without monsters or powers, the one they believe they're living in at the time, violence is almost never the answer, it only makes things worse, as it did. Mike also understand this. Now, yes, it took him a minute to figure out that El didn't quite understand this yet, but he works to fix his mistakes as soon as he does.

Now, let's look at season 1's incident. Troy is threatening to cut Dustin with a knife if Mike doesn't jump off the quarry cliff. Two lives are in immediate and direct danger in this situation. El, literally at the last second, saves Mike as he's falling, so that's one problem fixed and one less life at stake. By this time, yes, Troy has moved away from Dustin, but he is still holding the knife! And then he aggressively steps towards El, threatening her with it, so she snaps his arm and makes him drop it. This is self defense, as well as defending her friends from a dangerous situation.

In season 4, Angela publicly humiliates El. Yes, it's awful, and yes, she deserves the smack that she gets for it, but it's nowhere near as bad as what Troy was doing. Angela isn't putting any lives in immediate danger, she's not brandishing a weapon! Legally, El smacking Angela is assault, because at the point of the roller-scate-smack, the ordeal is done with, and there was no physical harm done. I'd like to add that I'm aware of El falling, and that she may have been hurt, but technically no one touched her, so it still isn't technically self-defense (I may be wrong here, pls correct me if so). This is a very unfortunate situation, and I feel terrible for El, as should everyone, but I'm a firm believer that when it comes to bullies, you shouldn't fight fire with fire, and Mike seems to carry this belief as well, as he repeatedly tells the boys to just ignore their bullies in s1. @foodiewithdahoodie has an old post (can't find it irl, but it's stuck in my brain) in which they say El treats Angela, a normal girl who is not a serious threat, with the same extreme hostility she shows the UD monsters, and I completely agree with this. El is flawed, and Mike's not a bad person for reacting to those flaws, that just happen to include unnecessary violence, the way a normal person would.

Anyways, what I'm getting at here is that these two situations are completely different (again, Troy has a literal weapon, two peoples' lives were being actively threatened!) and Mike's reaction in both circumstances were completely valid! In season one, he was seconds away from death, and so when El saved him and made the threat go away, he was eternally grateful for her defense. In season 4, he tries so hard to get to her when he realizes what's going on despite having just found out she'd been lying to him for months, and he was even completely on El's side, trying to find and comfort her, until she hit Angela, then he believed she went too far (she did), so he made that known. He's never been one to sugarcoat when he disagrees with certain behaviors, and he doesn't start here, he tells it like it is: Angela doesn't look fine. It also is just a lot to process, so it doesn't surprise me that it takes an overnight thought-session for him to figure out where he went wrong, and again, he tries to make it up to her! To connect with her, bringing down some of his walls in the process! She just disregards his experiences, then brings up him not saying ILY, so he gets defensive and puts back up his walls, and they never get to continue this conversation! (This is an analysis for another day in and of itself tbh)

To reiterate, it just irks me when people compare these scenes to try and make Mike out to be a bad person, when they are nowhere near the same situation! His reactions being different makes total sense, esp when adding the shock-factor of it all! I'll stop talking now cuz this could go on forever and I lowkey feel like I'm just repeating myself now.

Pls tell me your thoughts on this!

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livelovecaliforniadreams · 2 years

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your-stranger-halfblood-things · 8 months

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Mike kissed Will's lips frantically. He's never done this before; kissing a boy, that is. He could feel the stubble on Will's cheeks and chin, and he could taste the toothpaste in his mouth.

It was nothing like kissing El. It didn't feel forced, or like if he stopped then Will would be mad. This felt good, like he should have done it ages ago. Mike was glad he'd done it now. Now he finally found this part of him that was missing for so long.

Mike backed away from Will after one more kiss. They stared at each other for a long time before Mike pounced on Will and hugged him tightly. He could feel Will's heart beating against his own. Thump. Thump. Thump

#stranger things #byler #mike wheeler #will byers #byler kiss #byler hug #byler tumblr #byler fanfic #byler endgame #gay mike wheeler #gay mike truther #anti milkvan #anti mileven

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queerxqueen · 2 years

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They share a common bond that is not of this world.

#st4 scripts #byler script #willel #interesting that the willel hug is way more emphasized than the mileven hug

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will80sbyers · 1 year

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Byler - Mileven / s1 parallels

#Byler #mileven #will byers #mike wheeler #karen wheeler #el hopper byers #my gif #my gifset #byler mileven parallels #the focus on Mike for both #and the hug with his mom #will80sbyersgifs

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insertsareallycoolname · 3 months

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Mike may not be my fav one but his haters are freaking annoying

Oh so we are comparing traumas now?? Wow soo mature of you 👏🏻

Ya El and Will has gone through much worse but it still doesn't give you right to call someone's trauma non existent.

Mike around season 1 almost lost Will (his best friend since kindergarten). He a 12 year old saw his best friend body being pulled out of a river/pond and at that time no one knew that it's a fake body. He jumped off a cliff in order to save his another friend and you are saying that it doesn't count as trauma?

By saying this you are literally denying that Joyce had any trauma.

At least he still jumped (even tho he was saved by El), I bet you would've ran away.

Btw here's the definition of trauma (since u are soo dumb),

Mike was neglected by his parents

At ending of season 1 he thought that he lost El

Around season 2 he had to witnessed his best friend being hurt and being possessed by some giant creature

He was literally bullied for his entire life for god sake and was getting names like "frog face"

And you are saying that this doesn't count as trauma?

Please get some knowledge on how to analyse a character then open ur freaking trashbin in the form of mouth.

#mike wheeler needs a hug #mike wheeler #mike wheeler defender #mike wheeler defense squad #leave mike wheeler alone #stranger things #byler #mileven #<<target audience

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stormypasta88 · 7 months

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i think mileven's gonna breakup in s5.

not bc of mike's sexuality or el's crave for independence or anything, which are both large potential factors.

but rather, i think that mileven is trauma-bonded and their relationship, romantic or platonic, is built on their shared trauma.

we know for a fact that el isn't interested in anything that mike is interested in (dnd, fantasy, sci-fi, etc etc) and that mike isn't too fond of anything that el is interested in (even tho el is still on a journey of finding out what is our there that she likes)

something they have in common is their trauma regarding to the upside down/alt dimension monsters. even though their trauma isn't on the same level, it is still trauma that they both went to

i think in s5 they'll go through experiences and they'll realize that "huh. maybe the only thing that i know about him/her is what she's/he's gone through and we shouldn't be togehter"

the external factors of mike's sexuality and el's crave for independence could play a part in that too, but all in all it's the realization of their trauma bond.

tldr; mileven is trauma bonded and they only reason they're still together/have been together so long is bc their shared trauma keeps coming back

#mike wheeler #stranger things #michael wheeler #stormypasta88 #byler implied #anti mileven #mileven anti #mileven is toxic #mileven is bones #el hopper #jane hopper #mike wheeler deserves better #el hopper deserves better #someone give him a hug #someone give her a hug #stranger things 5 #stranger things theory

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hesquietoday · 7 months

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They're really watching a different show aren't they

#tw!! milkvan kiss!!#jkjk #no but seriously they see thst mlvn havijg romantic scenes in public and are like #yay! they love each other in public #and not at all concerned that none of the other romantic scenes are shot like this #every other romantic scene shot in a crowed room barley even show other people during it #also do they not think it's suspicious thst all of their romantic scene are in public or around other people?#and they watch this gif a million times over because it's the only mlvn kiss in season 4 #(L)#and they dont notice or think about mike putting the flowers on his stomach before hugging her #it genuinely amazes me that they dont pick up on or look into these details #they're just too far in denial 🤷‍♂️#anti mileven #byler #< target audience

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alex-the-bringer-of-chaos · 2 years

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It's funny how Macdonald shippers want a sex scene between Mike and El on s5, meanwhile we have Finn over here telling people to stop sexualizing him. Funny am I right?

#byler #i remember thay finn created a tiktok account to ask people to stop sexualizing him #maybe i'm remembering it wrong #but if i'm right is just show how disgunting the allocishet milkvan shippers are #fuck what the actor is comfortable with and the fact thay they were kids when this show started #y'all want a sex scene #and to anyone who might care #no i don't want a byler sex scene #i want a cute confession and smooches and hugs #the heartstopper stuff #feck off you weirdoes #stranger things #milkvan #tw sex mention #anti mileven

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frozenfrogz · 10 months

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Byler kisses and hugging and holding hands is the only thing I need in life.

#byler #will byers #mike wheeler #byler is endgame #byler is canon #byler is real #byler season 5 #s5 byler #byler s5 #byler hug #byler kiss #anti mileven #anti m*leven #anti midleven #anti milkvan

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daisybrained · 1 year

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do mike and el even make eye contact once after the two day time skip??? we know they don’t talk (on screen) but like... i’m trying to remember back and i cannot think of a moment in the last 30 minutes where they even look at each other at the same time. what the fuck?

#byler #anti mileven #byler tumblr #mike #el #like im thinking about all the scenes they're in together #entering hawkins in the van theyre all looking out the windows so no eye contact there #showing up at mikes house el goes to hug dustin and mike hugs his mom so no eye contact there #then in max's hospital room theyre standing next to each other so no eye contact there (but there is a little side hug thats adorable)#then going to hop's cabin... nope nothing there either #she side-eyes mike and will while theyre cleaning but its a very brief look and we don't see mike looking back until after the door closes #and then the scene outside the cabin... nope. shes looking at her family and mike is hugging hop #and then the last scene again...nope.#girl this writing choice is even wilder than i thought it was #if this is the endgame couple they have FUCKED UP

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livelovecaliforniadreams · 2 years

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will-byers-needs-a-hug · 2 years

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I just remembered the van scene and just Will in general

LOOK AT HIM HE LOOKS SO SAD-

AND THE FUCKING LOVE CONFESSION DURING MIKES MONOLOGUE

Daily I'm not okay as a Will Byer's kinnie-

I'M GONNA SCREAM SOMEONE GIVE HIM A HUG GOD DAMN IT

HE LITERALLY I'M GONNA SHAKE SOMEONE AGGRESSIVELY LIKE LOOK AT HIM HOW CAN HE WAS LITERALLY SHAKING

I'm gonna punch a wall fr

Johnathan I appreciate you for this like GHASFKLSDF;SJDAFSDJKL;FDS

I swear to god yes this post is chaos BUT LIKE I SWEAR TO GOD WILL BYERS NEEDS A HUG LIKE YES I DID IN FACT CHANGE MY USER CAUSE I SWEAR TO GOD-

LIKE FIRST HE GETS KIDNAPPED BY THE FUCKING DEMOGORGON

LOOK AT HIM HE'S SO SMALL YOU COULD PUNT HIM ACROSS A LAWN

HE SURVIVES THERE FOR LIKE A FULL WEEK

ONLY TO GET POSSED AND SPIT UP A DEMODOG

WATCH THE PERSON HE WAS IN LOVE WITH FALL FOR SOMEONE ELSE (he thinks he's not a trustable narrator we all know this)

Regretting the fact that I had to look up Mileven to find that gif-

BUT I'M JUST RANTING SO ITS WORTH IT THANK GOD TUMBLR AIN'T LIKE TWITTER-

ANYWAYS

ALL THAT ONLY FOR HIM TO CONTINUIOUSLY GET BRUSHED OFF BY HIS FRIENDS FOR WANTING TO PLAY DND, WHEN HIS ENTIRE CHILDHOOD BASICALLY GOT SNATCHED OUT FROM BENEATH HIM-

THEM CONTINIOUSLY SAYING NO

ONLY TO JOIN A DND CLUB AS SOON AS HE LEAVES LIKE PLEASE?? (I love the entire series don't get me wrong but like jesus- don't really have a point to this rant but like yes)

THIS SCENE WE ALL KNOW IT

Mike Wheeler I'm going to shake you aggressively-

BUT LIKE AFTER THIS FIGHT WHAT DOES HE DO-

DESTROYS HIS SAFE PLACE, LIKE FULL ON DESTROYS IT AND I SWEAR TO ACTUAL GOD-

Mike Wheeler I just wanna talk-

That's all just talk

Worst part is after that he doesn't ask to play again and just pain all I know is pain.

ARARARARA AND AFTER THAT HE MOVES

AND WHAT DOES MICHEAL WHEELER DO HE IGNORES HIM AND ONLY FUCKING TALKS TO EL- GIVES HIM THIS AWKWARD ASS PAT AT THE AIRPORT

LIKE HE WAS FULL ON SHAKING HE WAS SO EXCITED TO SEE HIM I'M GONNA

BLAMES HIM FOR THE DAY GOING BADLY

ALL THAT HIM CONTINIOUSLY PINING PUTTING HIS LITERAL HEART AND SOUL INTO THAT PAINTING LIKE LOOK HOW SOFT HE LOOKS HERE

HE PUT HIS WHOLE HEART AND SOUL INTO THAT ONLY TO USE IT TO BUILD UP MILVEN TO MAKE MIKE AND EL BOTH HAPPY

Anyone who says this boy is selfish is wrong literally so wrong he has never done a bad thing in his life and I will die on this hill-

Yes he's still in love with Mike even though yk his sister and whatnot but like the heart wants what it wants he can't exactly just cut those feelings off man </3

Stg Will Byer's deserves the world and I will die on this hill, thank you for coming to my ted talk.

#will byers #mike wheeler #byler #byler is endgame #will byers deserves better #will byers you will always be famous #platonic mileven #ignore how chaotic this is #will byers deserves happiness #will byers needs a hug #this is a whole ass essay I'm so sorry-#ignore my temporary insanity #stranger things

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bisexualmultifandommess · 2 years

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I love Mike’s monologue a lot and I hate that it gets misinterpreted so much.

People get upset that he said that he feels his life started the day he found El in the woods because they think he’s saying that his life started the day W*ll (censoring the name so it’s not in his tag) went missing but he’s not. W*ll went missing the day before so it wasn’t the same day and it makes sense that he feels his life started that day because he met someone he fell in love with and his steady and normal life changed a lot.

They also say that it’s impossible for him to have fallen in love at first sight and even though I love the idea of it I can also understand what he meant. He’s not saying that right at that moment he knew that he fell in love instantly because during season 1 he tried to keep his feelings a secret, he’s saying that looking back with an older perspective he can see that he felt a connection and love for her.

The people who say he’s lying are strange too because that would just make Mike an asshole if that’s the case and he’s far from it.

#I’ll defend mike forever #they wouldn’t have mike and hopper reconcile and hug if they were going to reveal that mike lied in his monologue #because that would hurt el and piss of hopper #so them accepting each other would be for nothing #stranger things #mike wheeler #eleven #eleven hopper #mileven #mike x eleven #eleven x mike

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pjo-fan17 · 2 years

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someone said that in the new Stranger Things book, Lucas on the Line, he mentioned that after El moved, Mike became more depressed than he was in S2, never leaving his house and sitting in his basement writing letters to El all day.

#Mileven #i wanna give Mike a hug #Poor kid #I swear he has separation anxiety with El #Someone confirm this is true #Take a picture of it and post it #Tag me

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musicalchaos07 · 1 year

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Something something the specificity of the Jancy "that's why I love him/her" scene versus the vagueness of the milkvan "I love you" monologue

#there is no why for Mike's love to El #literally no reason #he just does and he always has #contrasted with Jancy focusing on their respective core traits of ambition/protectiveness #mike could've said I love that you're brave he did not #blah blah blah I'm reaching except I'm not because we open/close with both of these i love yous this season #and one couple has a running hug reunion and the other doesnt talk onscreen after #stranger things #jancy #nancy wheeler #jonathan byers #mike wheeler #anti mileven #el hopper #Byler

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