#pro endgame steve

[sersi]

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[moonlayl]

I hate when people use Steve’s speech about moving on at the beginning of the movie as “proof that he’s a hypocrite” because literally in the SAME MOVIE, he himself goes “but not us”.

#that speech was for civilians to help them #he and the other heroes (with the exception of a certain someone) couldn’t move on from their failure to stop thanos and save the world #like it was literally stated in the film. it was literally addressed and spelled out. #again; not the biggest fan of his ending but saw a dumb post about how his ending actually is a villain arc or whatever and some i you all #just hate it so much for *certain* reasons to the point of trying to find ways to make it seem worse than it actually is #steve rogers #pro steve rogers #pro eg steve #pro endgame steve #marvel #mcu #avengers endgame #captain america #layl.text #marvel meta

[steveandbuckysdaughter]

Hi, again. 👋

I found the post you were talking about. The stan's account was deactivated, but yeesh. 😬 Nice replies to them, btw.

The stan that bashed on me said I was being misogynistic, even though I'm a black woman who just wanted to see another black character get their chance to shine.

Hell, it's not just the shows and movies (I think this all started with Endgame). It's also the Steve Rogers musical too. I don't know if you know about it, but Disney made the musical real, and it really did Sam and Bucky dirty.

Sam isn't even in it. Maybe he was mentioned once, but the musical showed an image of Sam as Captain America. As for Bucky, his scene from CA:TFA, where he saved pre-serum Steve, was given to Peggy instead. Bucky was mentioned once, and the musical tried to justify Steve's ending from Endgame. All for this ship.

And, frankly, I don't hate Peggy, I'm just more annoyed that other characters get shoved aside as well as this great dynamic that Steve and Bucky had, while she and her ship with Steve has been getting propped up more and more. But, seeing some of your and the others' posts, I get why you guys don't like her.

Girl, don’t get me started on the abomination that was Rogers the musical. It could have been glorious, it had so much potential, but once again Bucky’s role in Steve’s story was given to Peggy, and Sam wasn’t even there!

I feel like Marvel feels the need to tone down Stucky or their friendship overall because it was just too powerful. We all remember the hashtag that begged Marvel to make Stucky Canon, #givecaptainamericaaboyfriend. They just couldn’t let it happen, not to a main and important character like Steve, god forbid. And so ever since civil war Stucky has always had little to no scenes together no matter how well established it was in previous projects. All their scenes and dynamic were given to Peggy, their friendship was toned down, Steve’s whole ending happened. It just feels like Stucky is so menacing to Marvel that the only way to stop us is by destroying Steve, Bucky and their relationship.

I mean, Steve is given no justice in his ending and in all the other projects he appeared in. Bucky went from a victim and prisoner of war to someone who must make amends for things that were beyond his control. And the depth of their friendship was toned down and reduced every time Peggy was involved. And then they wonder why many people in the fandom dislike Peggy or why the whole Rogers the musical initiative flopped the second it went beyond Hawkeye.

Like, even if you don’t ship Stucky you can tell that they care for each other, and you can tell there was a shift after people actually wanted Marvel to take action and do something about this dynamic. Steve can’t get even one episode as his own character because Peggy must be there. Bucky had more luck, but still… and let’s not even talk about Sam, his only appearance was as a zombie!

In another post of mine I ranted about how bothered I was that Peggy was inserted in the 1602 storyline, and i haven’t changed my mind. It would have been so nice to give Steve one episode about himself, about his dynamic with his best friend and about the relationship with himself and his fellow avengers. But no, Peggy must be there too, and for no good reason as well.

I feel like Marvel trying to erase pre-existing relationships to have Peggy shine only results in fans turning their back on Marvel and hiding in fanfiction or whatever piece of media that can actually bring justice to the characters. Once someone on Tumblr said “you gave us the characters, but once you mess them up they’re not yours anymore. You don’t understand and respect them, therefore you don’t deserve them.” and I couldn’t agree more, which is why I am currently reading and writing fanfiction rather than buying into everything marvel gives us.

Peggy was the love interest with more screen time even before what if and all that jazz, she had her own show! And I fear that the day Marvel will realize that pushing a reimagined Nazi turned Mary Sue into every single what if episode where she can fit instead of enhancing the characters that are actually relevant in-universe it will be too late.

Sorry about the rant, I get carried away when it’s about my boys lol

#Steve rogers #pro Steve rogers #anti endgame steve #bucky barnes #pro bucky barnes #stucky #pro stucky #steve x bucky #anti peggy carter #anti steggy #marvel critical #mcu critical #what if #sam wilson #pro Sam Wilson #sam wilson is Captain America

[harrington-love]

"I don't understand Steve's character."

"Steve was so OOC in season 4."

"He was over her in season 3!!!!"

"Why did the writers make Steve love Nancy again?"

Steve Harrington has always been in love with Nancy Wheeler.

He never stopped.

It really is that simple. It's really not that difficult to understand.

#steve harrington #nancy wheeler #stancy #steve harrington x nancy wheeler #steve x nancy #stancy endgame #pro stancy #stranger things

[gloomstevie]

nancy wheeler sawing off a shotgun will always be famous

this scene is why i will never see her as steve's "perfect" mom, she's more likely to be the cool aunt that shows up out of the blue and teaches his kids how to do illegal shit...

#nancy wheeler #stranger things #max mayfield #stranger things four #volume two #six nuggets #steves six nuggets #natalia dyer #sadie sink #jancy4life #pro jancy #jancy true #jancy endgame

[taylorkellyreporting]

we don’t talk enough about steve and his betrayal being the reason tony relapsed

#just one more thing to hate him for #i can’t believe that after everything he did he was just allowed to go back to the past and have a happy ending #while all tony got was. death. #anti steve rogers #anti captain america #anti mcu #anti avengers endgame #tony stark deserves better #pro tony stark

[gay-jewish-bucky]

do you really think steve's ending was in character (which the writers have admitted was ooc while publicly mocking people for expecting it to be in character) or are you so desperate to self-insert that you will ignore or outright oppose any canon or logical conclusions that contradict it?

#marvel #mcu #anti endgame #pro steve rogers #based on several people i have argued with

[thereisnolumos]

All the people going about how Nancy wants a career, not a family when they’re whining against Stancy getting back together, I just can’t.

First, it’s absolutely possible to have both a career and a family, thank you. Never once have Steve mentioned that his dream includes her becoming a stay-at-home mother. If anything, Steve would be a stay-at-home dad and he would THRIVE at it! He would be phenomenal even, being a parental figure literally been shown to be his true calling in life.

Second, there was never anything pointing out that Nancy doesn’t want to have a family. She doesn’t want to have a marriage LIKE HER PARENTS, where husband and wife barely care about one another and are only together bcs they were supposed to get together. And that wasn’t a family Steve was describing, you know, the one she said she LIKED the image of. She was all heart-eyes when he was talking about it.

Third, to the argument of “well, she’d have to birth them for him”: there are different ways of becoming a parent, you do know that, right? And wouldn’t that be a fucking great full circle if they fostered/adopted kids in need?? Come on! Also, he wasn’t even set at six. He’s thrown it out as a joke, after talking about wanting a big family. Steve is an only child of a very neglectful parents. If anything it was overcompensation for a dream.

Stancy is a fantastic example of second chance romance trope. They didn’t work before, when they were younger. But they both grew and matured and changed. And now when they start to catch feelings again (or what’s more likely when they discover that those feelings never went away truly) they just might work. And they’re scared and yet they want it and it’s beautiful and filled with hope and I want them to be together soooo much!!! (Especially after we were shown how little Jonathan actually understands about Nancy as a person)

#stancy #stancy endgame #stancy for the win #pro stancy #steve harrington #nancy wheeler #steve x nancy #i love them your honor #second chance romance #one of the most beautiful tropes #alexa play this love by taylor swift #anti jancy

[gaiagalit]

I thought I liked Endgame but as time went on I realized I only liked parts of it. And the more I think about it, the more I realize Endgame didn't have to be as disappointing as it was. I feel like even just a few changes would have greatly improved the movie:

Having an actual scene where Tony and Steve talk about what happened between them. Instead, the movie rushed their reconciliation and we're left to assume they worked out their issues off-screen. (They HAD to have talked sometime in the five-year time gap in Endgame.  You don’t get from “No trust liar” to “If you don’t talk shop, you’re welcome to stay for lunch” without reaching some kind of understanding).

It would have been good to have seen that on screen. It definitely would have been a better use of screen time than Fat Thor and all the offensive and not-funny jokes that came with it. Getting rid of the Fat Thor subplot and giving us more Steve and Tony content would have been a big improvement for the film.

Another thing that we didn't get was any type of closure between Bucky and Tony. There should have been a scene where Bucky saved either Pepper or Tony during the Battle of Earth and Tony would thank him and let him know he's not a murderer, etc, basically make their peace. Heck, even just a nod to each other on the battlefield would have been better than nothing. It certainly would have been more substantial than that contrived girl-power scene.

The aforementioned Tony, Steve, and Bucky scenes I've suggested would have also have helped heal the rifts in the fandom. Obviously not the hard-core haters, but antis on both sides capable of seeing reason would likely soften their stance on the characters.

All this of course doesn't address all of the problems with Endgame, (Natasha's death, Tony's death, Steve's ending, the fact that the MCU had reached its logical conclusion but was still going to continue..., etc.), but I feel like even those changes alone would have drastically improved the film.

#Endgame Critical #MCU Critical #Anti MCU #Pro Tony Stark #Pro Steve Rogers #MCU #Avengers: Endgame

[darlingor]

Thinking about the scene in the beginning of Endgame when Tony told Steve to hide with so much fear in his voice, and then how absolutely terrified Tony must have been during the final battle and those last few moments.

#tony stark #pro tony stark #tony stark defense squad #the avengers #avengers endgame #iron man #steve rogers #thanos #the fear in his voice #absolutely breaks my heart #i love him so much

[sincerethoughtsblog]

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#mcu #the avengers #the mcu #avengers #captain america first avenger #captain america winter soldier #avengers age of ultron #avengers infinity war #avengers endgame #avengers civil war #doctor strange multiverse of madness #captain carter #mcu peggy carter #peggy x natasha #peggy x steve #steve x peggy #peggy carter #pro peggy carter #peggy x dottie #peggy x angie #i miss hayley on twitter #hayley atwell love of my life #hayley atwell is stunning #hayley atwell #pro hayley atwell #mcu marvel #marvel ladies #women of marvel #q #fc

[nataliaxalianovnaxxx]

Y’all are literally coming online telling people you don’t know to kill themselves (among other hateful things) just because you don’t agree with them.

That’s weird behavior and to make it worse, five minutes later y’all turn around talking about how much you care about mental health after somebody actually hurts themselves.

News flash, you don’t and it’s getting pretty ridiculous. You’re the problem. Your words have power and some of y’all need to realize that.

Desperately.

#tony stark #captin america #marvel mcu #mcu critical #anti tony stans #anti tony stark #anti captain america #anti steve rogers #anti steve stans #anti wanda maximoff #pro wanda maximoff #wanda maximoff #scott lang #falcon and the winter soldier #bucky barnes #captain america civil war #avengers endgame

[musicalchaos07]

When all you wanted Was to be wanted Wish you could go back And tell yourself what you know now

#I lock the st writers in a room I play this song #I pull up a fulll powerpoint presentation about how Stancy is detrimental to Nancy AND Steve's character development #I successfully ensure a Jancy endgame #Profit? #stranger things #nancy wheeler #anti stancy #pro jancy

[harrington-love]

Steve and Nancy's story is complex and beautiful...and not everyone will understand it.

I pity the people who cannot, or refuse, to see the beauty in Steve and Nancy’s story. A story about how trauma impacts your relationships and the way in which you cope with traumatic events. A story about how in the beginning, these two teenagers were not compatible but attempted to make their relationship work, only for the shame, guilt, and blame to take over and rupture the relationship. A story about how it is crucial to acknowledge and understand your partner's pain, and be their support, their rock, their shoulder to cry on.

It is a story about a teenage boy’s fall from popularity, and finding his true self as a friend, a protector, a lover. A story about a teenage girl working to make something of herself, to establish an identity that is purely hers. A story about a teenage boy who works to rectify his past mistakes, and learns to give himself grace for being a human. A story about a girl being true to herself, trusting her gut, and believing in her capabilities without bending to everyone else's expectations of who she should be. A story about a boy who's love for a girl was so strong that it helped him change into a person she could trust and depend on. A story of a girl who sees this boy in a new light, and thinks maybe, just maybe, he can offer her a future of partnership, adventure, and love.

It is a story about how these two teenagers have worked to grow and heal (and how they will continue to grow and heal), and are in a better place now where they can be what the other needs in time. A story about a second chance at love, now that they are both in a better place to love the other. They're not perfect. They never were. Healing and growth are not linear. They will always have their faults, their flaws, and like everyone else, they'll hit rough patches along the way. The difference between Steve and Nancy then and Steve and Nancy now is how they handle the hard times, together. How they face them, together.

And the audience can see how Steve has changed, from a boy who was apprehensive of Nancy's drive to get justice for Barb, to a man who trusted her investigative instincts, offered to join her on her exploration, and told her to be careful. From a teenager who utilized avoidance as a coping mechanism, whose "go with the flow" attitude was a mask to hide his pain, to a man who confidently told Nancy that she is what he's always wanted. There was no avoidance. No shame. No fear. There was simply a boy, who has changed, telling the girl he loves that she is it for him.

And the audience can see how Nancy has changed, too, from a girl who pushed a boy away because his presence was a painful reminder of what, rather who she lost, to a woman who is slowly, slowly, learning that this boy is good, and he is safe. She welcomes him back into her life with ease. From a girl who held this boy at gunpoint because she did not want him involved, to a woman who includes him, and trusts him when he volunteers himself in the face of danger, and defends him because he is someone worth defending.

To truly understand Steve and Nancy's story, you have to be willing to see their growth. You have to be willing to acknowledge change and believe characters can and do change. You have to accept that they did change. And therein lies the problem. Many, many people are purposely choosing to ignore their growth, because it does not fit their version of what they want or think should happen. Many people do not trust or believe that these characters know what they want, or know what's best for them. You have to be able to see and accept who they are now, as opposed to who they once were. How their views have changed. Their morals. Their personalities. Their wants, needs, hopes, and dreams. If you're still holding onto who Steve and Nancy were in the earlier seasons, then you are closing yourself off to any potential understanding of who they are now. If you are intentionally misconstruing what these characters say to fit your own narrative, then you are choosing to believe you know these characters better than they know themselves. If you are perfectly content with misunderstanding their relationship and refusing to acknowledge their growth, then you will miss out on not only a delicate and beautiful relationship, but also a lesson: Second chances happen. And sometimes, people do find their way back to each other.

I don't know what season five will bring. I don’t know if we’ll get a happy ending to their story.

But I do know one thing. I pity the people who willfully choose to ignore a beautiful story about two people finding their way back to each other. That is real life. That is love. It's not always simple or easy. Second chances happen every single day. And how beautiful it is for us to witness the rekindling of two ex-lovers. That is Steve and Nancy's story.

#steve harrington #nancy wheeler #stancy #steve harrington x nancy wheeler #stranger things #steve x nancy #pro stancy #stancy endgame #stranger things netflix #stranger thing s4 #stranger things s5 #and before anyone tells me this is a shit take #i want y'all to know i am quite literally studying relationships in my master's program #i conceptualize them based on data and evidence #so do with that what you will #and don't be shitty to people who love this relationship #just because you can't understand it doesn't mean everyone else is wrong #i would be open to talking more about their relationship #but i don't trust that people would approach this with curiosity and an open mind #because this fandom is known to be hostile and quite actually assholes to people who like steve and nancy's relationship #and if you take a look outside of tumblr or twitter #you'll find a lot of people who like this relationship...are all adults #so again...do with that what you will

[jancysmixtape]

I know it’s only November 1st and all but merry Christmas.

#stranger things #nancy wheeler #jonathan byers #Jancy #jonathan x nancy #they are both so precious #one of my favorite scenes of theirs #the way she’s looking at him #Steve is waiting for her upstairs but she’s downstairs kissing Jonathan’s cheek #she is so in love with him #my precious angels #pro jancy #jancy is endgame #jancy supremacy

[darkskyatnight]

Why is K.E.V.I.N holding the real Steve Rogers hostage tho.

#she hulk #anti endgame #at the same time #fuck marvel for flanderising him #he deserved so much better #anti steve rogers and pro steve rogers at the same time