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You don’t have to like sebaciel or the many undertones it presents in the series but it’s actually getting to the point where insistent ignorance of the sexual nature Ciel is presented in can be dangerous. Fiction does not exist on a 1:1 scale with reality but just using this fictitious scenario of Ciel being sexualised (by Yana herself) while having a panic/asthma attack and it being called “not actually sexual” or sebaciel fans being called “delusional” when pointing out the erotic nature of, not just this, but the many instances in which the viewer is meant to see Ciel in a sensual manner, is concerning.
You should be able to identify a sexual situation, even if it’s a situation in which the things happening are not inherently sexual. One of the main components of grooming is that is does not start out sexual, there’s a buildup to that in which the groundwork has already been laid. I’ll say it again, you should be able to identify when something sexual is happening without it being inherently sexual.
Yes, Ciel is repeatedly sexualised canonically, it is not being used to mock shippers, he simply exists in a very erotic manner in many situations using a variety of different ways to depict it, most commonly being flower language. No, you are not “morally correct” for not enjoying it, you just find it uncomfortable or triggering and that’s fine. Yes, you should be able to see that he’s being sexualised because he’s fake and if you cannot see it then there’s a chance of not being able to see this in real life, whether it be a friend, a child in your care, or even yourself.
Not being able to identify the sexual nature a character can be presented in is not a good thing. It doesn’t mean you “aren’t a porn addict”, it doesn’t mean you “aren’t a bad person” and it certainly doesn’t mean you are “not a pedophile, like those shippers are”. It means you cannot spot the difference between a bad fake relationship and a bad real relationship.
Stop giving a damn about fictional characters and start giving a damn about yourself.
#someone on Twitter said it better than I can but if you are staunchly and genuinely believing that Ciel’s panic attack isn’t meant to be#use flower language or fan language or even the ways in which they are dressed#for your own safety you should be able to identify that even as an adult#sebaciel#kuroshitsuji#black butler#internet safety#I guess#sebastian michaelis#ciel phantomhive#also don’t come into my notes victim blaming because you don’t like antis I will block you#pro fiction#profic#*loud sigh*#I hate this term but I need to use it for ✨reach✨#pro ship#proship
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Teaching Mychael about the wonders of memes! 🍄
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#✯ living and creating#❥ love at first spore#mushroom oasis#mushroom oasis mychael#proship#profiction#profic#proshipping#pro fiction#pro ship#pro ship safe#pro shipping#proselfship#proship please interact#proship safe#proship selfship#proshipper#proshippers are valid#selfship proship#op is a proshipper#selfshipper#self ship#self shipping#selfproship#selfship#selfship art
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"But they're siblings and in an abusive/toxic relationship!"
Yeah and I want to see them kiss.
#proship#proshipper#proshippers please interact#proshipper safe#proshippers are welcome#pro ship#proship positivity#anti anti#profiction#proshippers are valid#the coffin of andy and leyley#Andy x leyley#andrew graves#ashley graves
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I hope you know if you say 'not a ship post' in your caption and I ship it,
I'm viewing it as a ship post.
<3
#sebaciel#twinleska#harringrove#vigilmaker#corintheus#etc#shippy shippy#shipping discourse#ship#pro ship#pro ship blog#pro ship safe#pro shippers please interact#pro shipping#proship#proshipper
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why can't people literally just have fun?
like- why do you spend your time policing how other people enjoy fiction, if you could spend it imagining fun scenarios for your ships and blorbos to go through?
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"i want more media with zero drama, no tension, and zero problematic characters and i am not joking"
Great! Here are my recommendations:
#proship#proshippers#pro ship#proshippers please interact#proship safe#proshipper#proshipping#sip rambles#anti anti#profic
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People seem to have forgotten that "proship" was the Fandom norm for the longest time.
Only, it wasn't called proship. It was called ship and let ship. Or minding your own buisness.
If someone had a ship you didn't like or thought was gross, you would avoid them. If they drew art or wrote stories you didn't agree with or like, you would ignore them.
There were tags like smut, whump, and angst to tell people about things they might not want to read. And then dead dove: do not eat for taboo subjects and especially gritty fic.
Then people started to ignore that. Younger fans started to bully people because they disagreed with shipping certain characters. Whether it be because it "wasn't canon", they thought it was gross, or they just didn't like it.
These people began calling themselves "anti-ship"
Pro-ship became a label to show that someone was against anti-ship.
Eventually, the anti-ship movement began to die down. So do you know what they did? They started accusing people. Of being pedophiles, groomers, rape supporters, and more. All because they wrote or drew things that these people didn't like.
They began claiming that THEY were the Fandom norm, and that these "proshippers" were the bad people. They started claiming that proship stood for "problematic shipping"
Due to this, the term "pro-ship" is often misconstrued as to what it means. Many people don't even KNOW what it means.
It means "anti-censorship".
It means that we support someone's right to produce art, no matter how gross, no matter how taboo, no matter how "problematic"
Because it's not hurting anyone.
If it's something you don't want to see? Block the person. Block the tag. Say in your bio that you don't like it. That's what they're FOR!
This was discussed in earlier days of fandom.
"I wonder why people would read a story in a genre they don't care for, then take the time to let the writer know that sure enough, they didn't care for it. That would be like me going to a restaurant, ordering a slice of cherry pie, then asking that the chef be brought out so I can say "I don't like cherry pie, and I didn't like yours either." To continue this analogy into its usual fannish outcome, the chef would say "Well gee, lady, why did you order it?" And I'd say, "Are you questioning my right to order cherry pie?"
-Unknown 2002
Except now, it would be like the person who didn't like the cherry pie and ordered it anyways then demanded that no restaurant serve cherry pie because it was poison. Not only is it a ridiculous request, it's blatantly untrue.
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Once you start harassing people over their tastes in fiction, you've gone too far.
You should not be sending anon hate.
You should not be telling people to kill themselves.
You should not be contacting people's family members, job, or school.
You should not be sending people gore.
You should not be telling people that they deserve their trauma.
You should not be attacking people over liking something fictional. At that point, you're the problem. Not the person making things you don't like, YOU. Harassment is never acceptable.
#anti anti#pro ship#profiction#proship#anti ship#antiship#neutralship#neutral ship#ship discourse#fandom
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A common complaint I've seen about the proship community is that we don't take callouts seriously enough. Which, understandable!
But my 2 cents is that when "this user is an actual child predator", "this user ships minor/adult ships" and "this user is against harassing people over minor/adult ships" are treated with the same amount of severity, it is genuinely difficult to determine if someone is an actual threat to others.
If I see a callout post with evidence that could easily be doctored, or no evidence, its easy to assume that antis are making it up to ruin lives, considering the batshit insane shit antis send me on the reg.
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Do y'all remember when this was a normal thing to see all over the place? Because I do. I remember seeing and posting this image everywhere when I was like 12-15.
#anti anti#anti harassment#profic#pro fiction#proship#pro ship#proshipping#proshipper#pro ship blog#pro ship safe#pro shippers please interact#antis dni
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some of you really aren’t gonna like this, but a creator’s wishes should never dictate what fan content is produced for a piece of media.
in the past, authors like anne rice have tried to limit the production of fanfiction. but at least rice was honest - she thought this infringed on her copywrite. back in the day, this was considered a valid argument to not create any fanfiction at all for her works.
do you understand what i’m saying? while you may sound valiant for placing a creator’s “discomfort” above the fan’s natural proclivities in fandom, really you’re just continuing to advocate for censorship in fan spaces.
and for anyone who is a creator, or who wants to become one - get comfortable with the rules of the internet. there will be erotic content made of your characters, there will be weird AUs made with your characters. there will be strange pairings and headcanons, no matter if you interact religiously with the fans or not. you cannot stop people from connecting with and wanting to be creative with your characters.
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Selfshipping has no rules! That means you can...
🍄 Have any type of relationship or dynamic with your F/Os! Having your F/Os be related to your S/Is, be sweet, abusive, obsessed, victimized, anything you wish is valid and wonderful to experience!
🧡 F/O any character(s) you'd like! Main characters, side characters, background characters, characters from advertisements, memes, plushies, any fictional being that compels your heart!
🍄 Write, draw and create anything you'd like! It doesn't matter if the source material doesn't match your creations, all that's important is that you're contributing to your fandoms and having fun!!
🧡 Change your F/O's characteristics however you'd like! Project your own characteristics onto them, change their age, play around with their labels and identity, put them in any situations your mind can come up with! Your entertainment and enjoyment are your F/O's main priority!
🍄 Acknowledge or ignore canon as you please! Bring your F/O back from the dead, make it so they never met certain characters, insert yourself into their main storyline! Craft your story and love to fit all of your favorite tropes!!
🧡 Selfship for your own enjoyment! You don't need to understand or know everything about your F/O's source or even interact with it at all! You don't need to own merch or spend money on your F/O for your relationship to be valid, they love you no matter what!!
🍄 You can do anything you'd like when it comes to fiction! If it makes you happy and no real people are getting harmed because of it, do whatever you want!!
#✯ i hope you'll smile#profiction#proshipping#profic#pro fiction#pro ship#pro ship safe#pro shipping#proselfship#proship#proship please interact#proship positivity#proship safe#proship selfship#proshipper#proshippers are valid#selfship proship#op is a proshipper#selfshipper#self ship#self shipper#self shipping#self ship meme#selfproship#selfship#selfship positivity
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Hot Take
Hannigram is a comship.
#profic#proship#proshippers please interact#proship positivity#pro ship#proshipper#profiction#hannigram#hannibal#will graham#hot take#anti anti#anti's will say i'm lying#comship
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I´ve lately seen many young peeps in fandom spaces, worrying about openly shipping their ships because of what antis might do
so let me tell you something:
antis are huge losers who are gonna find something to hate you for no matter what you do
even if you ship EXACTLY what they ship, theyre gonna yell at you for "not shipping it right"
so, my piece of advice: just do whatever you want and tear up the house! antis are gonna hate no matter what, so ignore them and find some good companions by being yourself
#pro shipping#pro ship#anti anti#pro shipper#proship#proshipper safe#proshippers are valid#proshippers please interact#proshippers are welcome
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the post: everything has a right to exist in fiction, even if it's fucked up
the comments: i was going to reblog this until i realized op likes fucked up stuff in fiction. this is a common dogwhistle phrase for people who like fucked up stuff in fiction. they have to talk in code to trick people into agreeing with them. stay safe out there!
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