#pro team iron man

[illicthearts]

I watched Infinity War today, sometimes I question why I liked it so much because half the things they do pisses me off. Especially Quill he pisses me off so much.

And STEVE, don’t even get me started on him. “We don’t trade lives,” JUST A MOVIE A GO YOU WERE PREACHING THAT WE NEED ACCEPT THAT IN YOUR LINE OF WORK YOU CAN’T SAVE EVERYONE. And than he goes ahead sacrifices a bunch of people (POCs) to save a ROBOT! Who mind you could be made again.

But I guess that only applies to faceless people. Not to the people you know personally and especially not if Wanda loves that person. I hate his hypocritical ass so much.

#pro team iron man #pro tony stark #tony stark defence squad #tony stark #tony was right #infinity war #avengers infinity war #the avengers #marvel mcu #marvel #mcu #anti peter quill #anti steve rogers #anti captain america #anti team cap #anti wanda maximoff #anti vision

[moontheoretist]

“Sokovia Accords were repealed! Team Cap was right! Team Iron Man must feel really stupid just about now!”

Actually no. We do not feel stupid at all. Because we actually did research about law that MCU writers did not for a TV show that is supposedly all about law, and know that the statement that Matt made was bullshit at best and ridiculous lack of knowledge at worst. Sadly, characters in MCU are written by people. If Matt and Jen were actual living, breathing lawyers specialized in international laws and international treaties, they would know that making such a claim would make them sound as if they slept through the law school and impact their carrier negatively, simply because Sokovia Accords were a multilateral international treaty signed by 117+ countries. So no, we do not feel stupid.  We are trying to not laugh about your naivety, and we also are horrified that MCU once again bullshitted something about law that is completely untrue, because they just cannot sit and do research. As if it would kill them if they did.

I did that research for them, and it looks like that for multilateral treaties (that Sokovia Accords are) “termination” would mean that the treaty ceases to exist for all States parties. There was no mention of repealing, but there was mention of withdrawal in the sources I found. So USA could only withdraw from Sokovia Accords, not repeal it as it would be then a case of termination, and it would mean that all countries who signed them would have to agree to that and the Accords would then cease to exist for all of them. I only saw the word “repealed” used in context of bilateral treaties, which are between two parties, usually two countries. And I do not think UN is considered a side with whom the repeal could be processed. So yeah, USA could only withdraw from it, which would then also mean that Sokovia Accords still exist. Team Cap was not right. Team Cap was stupidly not realizing the imperialist implication of their own actions, and everybody who doesn’t live in America and knows how America can fuck up foreign countries  “for reasons” knows that.

Sokovia Accords are portrayed in a way that is not true in regard to real life law and the version of our universe that MCU uses as its background. And it is not the only example of such gross disregard for international law representation in the media. It was done many times before in many other shows. Accords are just another example of how entertaining the audience seems to be more important than accuracy and quality of the worldbuilding in American mass media.

#pro sokovia accords #sokovia accords #mcu critical #media critical #pro team iron man #fandom critical #seriously i am thinking of tagging it anti team cap

[mcu-critical]

Introduction post.

My name is Blank and I use any pronouns. I'm 18+ and a die-hard Tony Stark stan and Agatha Harkness stan.

This blog explores my thoughts throughout the entirety of the MCU in no particular order.

Expect a lot of rambling and cursing.

DNI: if you use any slurs of any kind (q slur, t slur, r slur, etc), team cap stans (anyone who sided with Steve in CW, alternatively anyone who defends anyone on team cap- i.e Wanda, Steve, etc), TERF, SWERF, radfem, etc.

#mcu critical #anti steve rogers #anti captain america #anti stony #anti team cap #anti team captain america #pro accords #pro sokovian accords #anti wanda maximoff #anti wandavision #tony stark deserves better #tony stark deserved better #team iron man #pro team iron man #tony stark defense squad #tony stark protection squad #pro tony stans #pro tony stark

[ircn-dad]

gifs not mine

I saw on the original post of these gifts the reblogs and...wow. Not the people saying "Tony reacts like that because that's what Steve tried to tell him before!! #antitonystark"

What actually Steve said: This job... We try to save as many people as we can. Sometimes that doesn't mean everybody, but, if we can't find a way to live with that, Next time... maybe nobody can be saved.

Peter is basically saying he can't live with the knowledge of not helping everyone, Steve is saying that they have to learn to live with it because it's better saving someone than not saving everyone.

While I think Steve is not an asshole and doesn't like when someone dies, I also think that Peter and Steve are not guided by the same morality. Steve accept the fact a lot of people die with his job, Peter and Tony don't. They can't accept the fact they cannot save everyone, they feel responsible for every damage they cause. That's why Tony had that look, because he related to Peter's words. That's literally the point of why he wanted the accords.

Tony blames him self and not just for Ultron. He blamed himself since IM1. When he said "I just finally know what I have to do, and i know in my heart that's it's right" and right before that he mentioned the soldiers who were killed by his weapons, even if it wasn't directly his fault. You can se the parallels between the two of them, they both blames themselves for everything.

Were the accords bad? Yes. Were they needed? Also, Yes. The idea of the accords was good because if I was one of the civilians like Zemo I would want them, and you cannot say otherwise if you were in their place.

So yes, I still think Peter would have been on Team Iron Man anyway because Peter would never turn his back on the civilians (He sacrifices his identity for them, he sacrificed his whole life for them). Even if he didn't like the accords, he would have accepted them and willed to change them. Peter and Tony have the same guilt, the same morale. Tony choose Peter because he saw himself in him, and Peter found comfort in Tony because he was the only one who understood him (Like confirmed in IW novelization).

Tony was the best person to mentor him.

#tony stark #peter parker #irondad #iron man #spiderman #tony and peter #irondad and spiderson #marvel #tony deserves better #pro tony stark #mcu #team iron man #anti team cap #not really but i agree more with the accords #civil war #irondad analysis #mcu peter parker #pepper potts #pepperony

[gay-jewish-bucky]

imagine thinking ca:cw existed for a reason that wasnt an rdj tantrum that forced them to scrap cap 3 which was supposed to be focused on steve, bucky and sam, and instead make into ironman 4🤣🤣🤣

#marvel #mcu #anti tony stark #anti tony stans #anti team iron man #anti marvel #anti mcu #marvel critical #mcu critical #team cap #pro team cap #anti captain america: civil war

[taylorkellyreporting]

tony stark you are so loved and appreciated🫂

#tony stark #iron man #pro tony stark #tony stark defense squad #team iron man #team tony stark

[confused-much]

I've seen some anti Steve Rogers posts and the level of delusions tony stans have is appalling.

They accuse Steve of being a hypocrite (why???) while ignoring the fact that Tony:

- created murder bot and then faced zero repercussions AND the blame for that murder bot fell on ALL Avengers somehow

- signed the Accords and then broke them when he involved Peter into the fight and when he left for Siberia

And you know what's the funniest? Almost every single villain in Tony movies (or even in Spider-Man movies) was Tony's creation.

And all villains in Steve's movies are outside of his influence (Hydra, the corrupted government).

So it speaks volumes about the kind of characters those two are.

#anti tony stark #anti iron man #pro steve rogers #pro team cap #anti tony stans #steve rogers defense squad

[breckstonevailskier]

Rewriting Captain America: Civil War to actually make it a Captain America movie

Let's face it, the biggest problem with Civil War is that despite Captain America's name being in the title, it's not really a Captain America movie. It's more like an Iron Man 4 or Avengers 2.5 masquerading as a Captain America movie. I mean, the plot relies more heavily on threads from Avengers: Age of Ultron than it does Captain America: The Winter Soldier. Not to mention the creators deliberately trimmed/cut Team Cap scenes because they wanted audiences to be split 50-50 on what side to take, as if they needed to do that to make Team Iron Man Support a Piece of Legislation That Reads Like Something Written By HYDRA look good. And Tony Stark has more dialogue than Steve Rogers gets. And this is around the time when basically, the writing for the MCU decided to stop letting other characters call Tony out on his wrongdoings.

So how does one fix that?

General changes:

For starters, have HYDRA still be as important as they were in Captain America: The Winter Soldier. Rather than have them be conspicuously absent, they are still very much lurking in the shadows. Bonus points by having the movie strongly imply (and members of Steve's side speculate) that the Sokovia Accords might be a brainchild of HYDRA's. After all, the Accords (and the ways they basically take away the rights and freedoms of enhanced individuals) read like something out of Nazi Germany, the place that Red Skull's HYDRA originated in.

Scene by scene changes:

Lagos aftermath:

The opening act in Lagos remains unchanged. It's a great action setpiece. However, some extra stuff is added to acknowledge that Rumlow's cell is obtaining the bioweapon with the purpose of carrying out an attack directed at people who pose a threat to HYDRA's existence.

In the aftermath, what I would change is the press coverage that goes out of its way to vilify Wanda. T'Chaka's biased take blaming the heroes for the destruction caused by Wanda relocating the explosion can stay, and maybe the second one where if not for the mentions of Wanda, you'd think they were talking about Rumlow. But I'd also add at least one newscast that is speaking favorably of the heroes, and praising Wanda for her efforts.

I'd slightly tweak Steve's scene with Wanda, and instead of saying, "The deaths are on both of us," he'd say, "It's not your fault, Wanda. It's Rumlow's fault. It's not your fault that he was a spiteful coward who decided he wouldn't let us take him in alive." I'd also have a scene or two of Vision doing his best to comfort Wanda and provide her someone to express her thoughts to, not unlike this scene from WandaVision:

Also a thing I'd fix is that I'd have the Avengers make some sort of press statement to defend Wanda from those who are unfairly vilifying her. Something to the effect of Natasha, Steve, and/or Vision going in front of a gaggle of reporters to read a statement as follows:

For the past month, the Avengers have been in pursuit of Brock Rumlow, international terrorist and confirmed member of HYDRA. Last week, the Avengers tracked him down to Lagos, Nigeria, where his cell was plotting to steal a biological weapon that it is believed they were going to use to carry out an attack that would kill hundreds of people. Acting per their training, the Avengers engaged Rumlow and his men, successfully killing or incapacitating most of them, and reclaiming the bioweapon. Eventually, Rumlow was successfully cornered. However, as Captain America was preparing to arrest Rumlow, he decided to blow himself up. As there were hundreds of people in the immediate area, Wanda Maximoff instinctively stepped in and used her powers to try to relocate the explosion into the sky where it wouldn't kill anyone. Despite Miss Maximoff's efforts, she ended up losing control of the bomb, and it ended up destroying part of one office building. It is a tragedy that despite the Avengers' successful efforts to stop Rumlow, there were still innocent civilian casualties, including the dozen or so people in the office building that were killed by Rumlow when he blew himself up. However, the blame for those deaths does not fall on Wanda Maximoff. Those deaths are the fault of a madman who, two years ago, was part of a plot by an organization dating back to Nazi Germany to use gunships to mass murder 20 million people, and whose motto is "Cut off one head, two more shall take its place." In addition, it needs to be pointed out Miss Maximoff also saved the lives of everyone in that marketplace. If it was not for her split second thinking, hundreds more people would be dead. And if the Avengers were not there in Lagos, a group of terrorists would have successfully released a bioweapon into the world, one capable of killing thousands. The Avengers are not responsible for the destruction brought upon by the bad guys that they are attempting to stop. That blame should start and end with the bad guys.

Because yeah, that would do wonders for Wanda.

Ross blaming the heroes for the destruction caused by the villains:

Yeah, this is something where Ross is a fucking hypocrite. “How about ‘dangerous’? What would you call a group of US-based, enhanced individuals who routinely ignore sovereign borders and inflict their will wherever they choose and who, frankly, seem unconcerned about what they leave behind?” Then his biased presentation showing footage from the Chitauri invasion in New York (The Avengers), the destruction of the Triskelion (Winter Soldier), Sokovia (Age of Ultron), and Lagos. This presentation is clearly done to paint Steve and his allies in a bad light, and Tony in a good light.

Thing is, though, this is just Thaddeus Ross blaming the heroes for the destruction caused by the villains. Not only in every aforementioned situation would things be worse if the Avengers weren't there (New York City would've been nuked by the WSC, HYDRA would've gotten the Project Insight carriers launched and 20 million people dead, Ultron would've wiped out human life, and terrorists would've gotten away with a bioweapon), but Ross is a hypocrite to try to pin this destruction on the heroes given his failures to capture the Hulk and the destruction he caused in his efforts. @thehollowprince posited here that they really should've had Steve call Ross on his hypocrisy right there and then.

Like, in response to Ross's remarks, Steve would speak up to say, "The Avengers as a whole are not responsible for Ultron destroying Sokovia's capital city. If you want to blame someone for that, direct all your blame at that man who decided to go behind his teammates' back to create Ultron," and point an accusatory finger at Tony. And as I said, have Steve throw Ross's failure back in his face to show that he really has no skin in the game.

Passage from thehollowprince's take on what should've been said:

“But, in the spirit of fairness, let’s talk consequences.” Steve went on. “F.R.I.D.A.Y.?” “Yes, Steve?” The A.I. said from the speakers. “Could you roll footage of Culver University, spring semester, 2008?” The screen that had been off immediately clicked back on and began playing back footage from cellphones and cameras of Ross’ failed attempt to contain and capture the Hulk in the middle of a crowded campus, using an unauthorized enhanced human, as well as weapons that put the civilian population in extreme danger. The last image was of the Hulk launching an armored truck at another, the screen immediately going static as the footage was lost. “Harlem, three days later.” The Hulk’s fight with a severely mutated Blonsky showed on the screen next, as well as the atrocities that Emil committed on his own before Banner stepped in to stop him. Ross’s face was reddening at having one of his biggest failures played in front of the very people he was trying to intimidate. Harlem was on of his biggest failures and he did a lot to try and distance himself from it. “Thank you, F.R.I.D.A.Y.” Steve said and the screen froze on an image of the infamous Abomination lifting a car above his head, about to crush it into some police officers. “Tell me, Mr. Secretary, where were your consequences? Because from what I understand, you tried to pin the whole thing on Blonsky and Banner, getting a medal and a promotion for your trouble.”

And, as happens in the hollowprince fix-it, Steve, as a last-minute parting shot, drops a bombshell on Ross that he was on HYDRA's hit list and would've been eliminated by Project Insight in the initial attacks upon the helicarriers' launches.

The Accords debate itself:

The big problem with the debate itself is that it's very one-sided. It's more "Tony and his allies make a lot of flawed points, and no one on Team Cap is allowed to call them out on it." So basically, the way to fix it would be to rewrite the debate using a combination of this one by @thehollowprince, as well as these ficlets on Archive of Our Own.

So, obviously, I would rewrite the debate to be more in Team Cap's favor, while we get multiple opportunities for Tony's side's points to be quickly picked apart and called out. To give examples of how this could go:

Have someone on Team Cap point out the whole fact that HYDRA would benefit greatly from this legislation, since it would curtail the freedom of superheroes' ability to respond quickly. And even for those in the UN who might not be compromised by HYDRA, it's a power grab. And it's also a power grab for Ross.

When Rhodey brings up Ross's medal of honor, have Sam point out (as he does in thehollowprince's fix-it) that a Congressional Medal of Honor doesn't mean shit, and comes off with Ross like a white man being rewarded for doing a subpar job. (Also, have someone remind Rhodey that the Accords would've prevented him and Tony from rescuing the President of the United States from Aldrich Killian had they been in place at the time of Iron Man 3, especially seeing as the Vice President was also in Killian's circle.)

I'd cut Vision's whole BS equation entirely. Instead, I'd have him on the side of Team Cap for this movie, and logic, "The number of potentially world-ending events has risen at a commensurate rate. Oversight is not an idea that can be dismissed out of hand, but the form that is being given to us by Ross is one that makes me calculate that the next world ending event has a likelier chance of succeeding.” (Vision's reason for being on Team Cap here is partly because he cares for Wanda, but mostly because he views himself as human, and the way Ross just dehumanized Thor and the Hulk by likening them to nukes makes Vision think Ross would view him the same way; this would actually be consistent with the will he has in WandaVision where he wished not to be turned into a living weapon, the very will that Tyler Hayward disregarded. On top of which, he realizes that he, Wanda, and Steve would be the most severely impacted by the Accords because they seem to be harsher on those who have innate superpowers than those who have removable suits.)

Have an instance or two of Tony being called out on his America centrism. Particularly when he brings up Charlie Spencer's death. In response to that, I'd have Wanda snap at him with a bit of pure rage. Why would I have Wanda do this? Because he's basically ignoring all the Sokovian citizens who died, up to and including Wanda's brother. "And what about my brother, hmm? What about Pietro? Remember him? Does his death matter to you, Mr. Stark? Or do you not give a shit about him because he's not American?"

Use Ross's antics from The Incredible Hulk to posit that Ross or HYDRA or any party with nefarious intentions could use the clause about demanding enhanced give up blood samples so they could use said DNA to create their own army of super soldiers.

Peggy's funeral, UN bombing, pursuit of Bucky

There's few changes here. But one change I would make is that Steve wouldn't just go with Sam to bring in Bucky. I'd have Wanda and Vision brought along too, because after a serious discussion, they think that the best way to salvage Wanda's reputation with the public is to have her going out to do heroism in public. When they get to where Bucky is hiding out, they bring him in, and Wanda gets to use her telepathic powers to render unconscious some of the SWAT forces sent to bring Bucky in. Then T'Challa joins the pursuit, and they are all captured in the tunnel.

Wanda meets Zemo and T'Challa

We then have the whole setpiece at the detention center where Bucky is detained. Natasha is firmly on Team Cap's side, but is taking a neutral stance to gain dirt on the other side. In addition to all the canon interactions, we also have Wanda interacting with T'Challa and recognizing his revenge quest because she still remembers very well what it was like for her last year wanting revenge against the Avengers, and how badly that ended for her. She empathizes with T'Challa and tries to persuade him to look at the bigger picture, not with much success. When Zemo infiltrates the facility to activate Bucky's Winter Soldier programming, Wanda goes down with Steve to subdue him and ends up encountering Zemo. She recognizes him because she knew his wife and son before they died, she once met him at the dedication of one of the memorials to the victims of Ultron's attack, and he's got a reputation in Sokovia as a killer.

Airport battle

The airport battle obviously is very different. Tony has Rhodey, Spider-Man, T'Challa, and a few other superheroes (or maybe Ross's special forces are there as backup). While Steve has Bucky, Scott, Clint, Wanda, Natasha, Sam, and Vision. This airport battle plays out more in Steve's favor, and despite Tony's efforts, everyone on Steve's side makes it to the quinjet and flees to Siberia with him.

Siberia final act

Steve and his team enter the HYDRA base, and make it to the containment area where the other Winter Soldiers were kept on ice, and have been all put down by Zemo. The fact that the Winter Soldiers are already dead, all shot in the head with a pistol, makes Steve surmise that they're walking into a trap.

They've barely had time to acknowledge this when Team Iron Man arrives and corners them. At this point, Steve is fed up with Tony for having such flawed judgement, and T'Challa still very much is on the warpath against Bucky. But as the two sides prepare to clash once again, Zemo chooses this moment to reveal himself. He wasn't exactly expecting to have an entire Avengers team there, but he's willing to improvise. Zemo even tries to liken his crusade to Wanda's misguided revenge campaign, only for her to shut him down by pointing out that she never wanted innocent people to get hurt, whereas Zemo did murder innocent people for his crusade (T'Challa's father and everyone else at the UN; the doctor that he killed and stole the identity of to get into the detention center to activate Bucky). After that, Zemo plays the surveillance footage of Bucky killing Tony's parents.

The moment Steve and Natasha realize what the footage is showing, Steve gestures for the others on his team to get Bucky away from Tony. Rhodey also realizes that Tony's preparing to attack Bucky, and tries to reason with him, but to no avail. Steve doesn't want Zemo to win, so he clarifies that he didn't know it was the Winter Soldier that HYDRA used to kill Tony's parents. This only enrages Tony further, and a nervous Natasha admits that she was also there when Zola told Steve this information.

In that split second, all hell breaks loose. Tony's rage boils over and he shoots Natasha with one repulsor, throwing her backwards and knocking her out. He tries to shoot Bucky with the other, but Rhodey is able to grab his hand and deflect the blast away from Bucky.

A fight ensues. Like in canon, T'Challa is the one who captures Zemo, though he also has some help from Scott, Spider-Man, and maybe Clint. Meanwhile, the other Avengers are left either fighting Tony, protecting Bucky, or both. With a fight that basically plays out as a mix of "the Guardians plus Iron Man, Spider-Man and Doctor Strange vs. Thanos on Titan" and a bit of "Payback vs. Soldier Boy from The Boys".

Ultimately, the Avengers still in the bunker succeed in taking down Tony, but Natasha, Rhodey and Bucky take severe injuries in the process. The fight ends when Wanda leaps on Tony from behind and uses her powers to attempt to disorient him, giving Steve an opening to smash his arc reactor with his shield. Vision then tears it out of the armor for good measure.

The Avengers effectively turn their backs on Tony Stark, and the movie ends with them as a whole condemning his misguided actions as well as condemning the Sokovia Accords, and taking the unified position, "After the events that happened in the course of pursuing the person responsible for bombing the UN in Vienna, the Avengers have elected to reject the Sokovia Accords, although we are open to alternative forms of oversight if the UN is willing to negotiate with us and also purge their ranks of anyone who might have ties to HYDRA." They also make publicly condemn Tony for trying to murder Bucky out of misplaced anger. Vision and Wanda settle down in Westview, Clint and Scott return to their families, though they'll still meet up with Steve, Sam, Natasha and Bucky for missions, and Natasha still meets up with Yelena and her old spy "family" to destroy the Red Room.

This then segues into another movie that's about Steve and his team of Avengers (Sam, Natasha, and occasionally Wanda, Vision, and Clint) going around the United States doing everything to get the Accords struck down and Ross removed from office for his abuses of power (especially since while the UN's been forced to let them go, the Raft is a walking human rights violation that no one should be locked up in for any reason).

#Youtube #anti sokovia accords #anti team iron man #anti tony stark #pro team cap #anti thaddeus ross #wanda maximoff #pro wanda maximoff

[darklinaforever]

Now that we're choosing teams: Team Black or Team Green? Team Jacob or Team Edward? Team Cap or Team Iron Man? Team Pepsi or Team Coca Cola? Team Darkling or Team Mal? Choose!

Team Black !

Team Edward !

Team Iron Man !

Team Coca Cola !

Team Darkling !

I have chosen !

#team blacks #team black #pro team black #pro team blacks #anti green #anti greens #anti green stans #anti greens stans #anti mal oretsev #the darkling #pro darkling #aleksander morozova #edward cullen #iron man #hotd #anti hotd #anti house of the dragon #house of the dragon #fire and blood #f&b

[pandadude55]

first post but i just saw this on a youtube video about how tony was a terrible person. like why post this on the video when u know the people seeing it would be people who don't like tony. also like all of these points can be easily debunked cause they don't make any sense at all. this person is acting like everything good n progressive that happened in the mcu was down to tony n no one else did anything productive which is not true as well. i just don't understand the point of this comment so enjoy looking at this :)

#anti tony stark #anti tony stans #anti ironman #anti team iron man #what goes through their brains when writing things like this #i will never understand iron man/tony stark fans i swear #have fun experiencing the mental damage i went through guys #honestly made me laugh tbh #pro team cap #pro captain america #please someone debunk these so i don't have to pls im begging

[tony-is-visions-father]

People are always saying Tony creates all these villains like he had any control over how they would react to what him blowing off someone? Someone angry that there dad got caught doing something illegal and getting the appropriate consequences for it? Trusting someone that was in his life since he was a kid? Getting his mind messed with? Firing someone after they show concerning behavior that could end up being disastrous? Someone who blamed him for have there name on a bomb and not the people who shot it? When the bomb most likely was just a counter fit one with his name on it bc it will sell more bc let’s be honest if it was his bomb they would be dead. Like he is not at fault for them being crazy and overreacting like people blow other people off all the time and they don’t turn into a murderer like?? Use critical thinking and you will see he had no hand in any of the people becoming villain’s he didn’t hold there hand and told them to do bad things!!! All of them chose to do it on there own free will

#pro tony stark #tony stark defense squad #tony stark deserves better #team iron man #tony stark

[reignof-fyre]

J-just saw a youtube comment comparing wendy martin and tony stark by saying their character arcs are the same like ???

tony stark's arc begins with him being an arrogant bajillionare genius that sleeps around and runs the company his father started from the ground up. his eyes are forcibly opened to the horrors of said company's products and is held captive and tortured by terrorists and after freeing himself of captivity through his own genius and ingenuity he ends weapons productions and promptly begins trying to right the wrongs he himself is not culpable of and finds out that a man he trusted was responsible for the illegal selling of his weapons to terrorists and puts his life on the line to stop stane (orders pepper to overcharge the reactor to kill stane even when he was in its line of fire). tony's arc is about self-growth and change and responsibility and accountability. In IM2 tony's a bit more reckless than usual because oh, yeah, he's actively dying :))))) do you know what heavy metal poisoning does to a person?

to name a few symptoms/effects. No wonder the guy was all over the place.

Wendy, however, begins her arc in the mcu as a WILLING HYDRA volunteer/agent that plots to kill tony stark for something he isn't guilty of. She mind rapes the avengers, triggers tony's ptsd, is at least 50% responsible for ultron's creation, sets the hulk on Johannesburg, plots to kill all the avengers and help ultron do so, and only backs out and changes sides when she goes into ultron’s mind (mind rape :)) and sees that his plan is GLOBAL ANNIHILATION and that includes her and her twin brother. she didn't change sides for altruistic reasons. It was self-preservation at its finest. She was a willing and eager nazi terrorist.

In CACW she accidently tosses a bomb into a building full of people and they die and/or are injured. At this time the avengers, of which she is a member, act as an unfettered, unsupervised (I'm team responsibility and accountability and oh, so is Tony) police force and so it's absolutely likely that, in real world situations, house arrest is the LEAST of wendy's problems. But she throws a tantrum and shoves vision through dozens of floors because "I can't control their fear, only my own" says the girl with the ability to mind rape people and bring up their worst fears :(((( poor bbby. At the Leipzig airport in Germany she tosses several cars at Tony, a baseline human under the suit, because "uwu u lockeded me in my woom u big meanie! :(" she then goes on, after endgame, to trap an entire town under her powers against their will (MIND RAPIST) because vision died and acts as though she's the victim and deserves sympathy??? No??? And let's not get started on her arc in Multiverse of Madness because BITCH IS CRAZY AND UNHINGED AND I hate her bye

My point is this:

tony stark is constantly trying to better himself in each movie he's in. Is he perfect? No, but at least he actively tries and does better himself.

Wanda is the same mind raping nazi HYDRA scum bitch she's always been in the mcu and she hasn't tried to better herself other than call herself a hero and offer empty apologies :)

#pro tony stark #team iron man #anti wanda maximoff #anti mcu wanda #anti maximoff twins #i love tony stark #tony stark defence squad

[ircn-dad]

We deserved a fourth iron man movie set during homecoming and infinity war. I would have loved seeing how Tony acted after civil war, how much Steve's betrayal affected him and how much the break up of the avengers affected the world.

I'm not a writer and honestly I guess tony's arc was kinda complete, but I think his self-pity, his anxiety of always having to improve would affect this film, in a different way from Iron Man 3, since in this he would also have to manage the disappearance of the Avengers and of its consequences. He would work twice as much as an iron man and perhaps this would lead to more hatred of him by civilians (cough that lady in civil war cough and maybe a possible villain cough). Another thing I always saw weird is how they handled Tony and Pepper's relationship. I mean, they broke up because Tony never stopped with being Iron Man, so in this movie they could have shown us how at the end they managed to make things work between them, since this was never explained to us and since Pepper never "accepted" this side of him and Tony never wanted to leave Iron Man.

Also, they could have showed us Tony mentoring Peter and how they became closer, and i genuinely think that if they showed more of them, their respective death would have hurt more for us. Peter was the reason why tony wanted a child- you can't tell me otherwise because we all know he wouldn't even think about a baby before civil war, mostly because of his father- so we would have seen how Tony acted towards him and slowly becoming like a father figure to him.

I don't think this movie would have been boring and useless, because I'm really curious what happened in those two years and I also think that those two years changed Tony and I'd die to see how.

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I googled “is Tony Stark a war criminal” hoping to find at least ONE post agreeing with me that he is not a war criminal.

Boy, was that a fucking mistake.

Also, everyone absolutely adores interchanging “war profiteer” with “war criminal” when it comes to Tony Stark; probably because they will always associate Tony with the word “criminal”

Now, I wish I could say he wasn’t a war profiteer, but the definition of a war profiteer is “any person or organization that derives profit from warfare or by selling weapons and other goods to parties at war.”  Which he did, so he was.  

HOWEVER.

The definition of a war crime (or criminal) is “is a violation of the laws of war that gives rise to individual criminal responsibility for actions by the combatants, such as intentionally killing civilians or intentionally killing prisoners of war, torture, taking hostages, unnecessarily destroying civilian property, deception by perfidy, wartime sexual violence, pillaging, the conscription of children in the military, committing genocide or ethnic cleansing, the granting of no quarter despite surrender, and flouting the legal distinctions of proportionality and military necessity.”  Now, I know that there are one of these that anti-Tony people love to scream and shout.....but there’s something extremely hypocritical about their argument and their other MCU beliefs (which I’m going to talk about further down).

And they further push the belief “Tony Stark is a was criminal who deserved to be convicted and executed for his war crimes because he worked with the military.”

Which is fucking hilarious given their love and support for many other characters in the MCU.....who have had just as much involvement in the military as Tony (and by extension, Rhodey) have.

(Below is long, but I need to get it out)

SO, the sheer, absolute hypocrisy that so many fans of the MCU preach is their hatred of Tony working willingly with the military and making them weapons.  Many are enraged that Tony willingly made weapons for the military and believe he should be convicted for it.

But.

They absolutely love and support characters who willingly and happily joined the military, and carry their military stance with pride.

Those who willingly joined the military (Steve and Sam mainly), are seen as the true heroes while Tony is just a military monster pretending to play hero.....but like, huh?

So some arguments they'll make: 

“Steve and Sam (and other military MCU characters) wanted to help people! Tony just loved making weapons that just murdered people!” Um, do you seriously believe Steve and Sam willingly joined the military believing they would just be like servicing the underprivileged in other countries, giving out supplies and then be on their merry way?  Especially Steve, who was obsessed with watching the reels from the War; who saw all the violence happening oversees and reiterating the phrase “I don’t like bullies” with wanting to join the army.  You think Steve thought he would just give those Nazi’s a stern talking to and be on his way?

Steve and Sam (and others) were completely fine with killing others, because they were the enemy; they were the villains and it was their job.  Why is Tony different? Because he makes weapons that can kill more than Steve and Sam can kill with what they’re given?  And I know people will say “but Tony’s weapons killed innocents, Steve and Sam never did!” We don’t know that in a possible crossfire between the US enemy and the military, innocent people were killed from a gunfight or a modest bombing by the US military.  Veterans like Steve and Sam may have been in a battle with the enemy, and innocent bystanders could have very well been killed in the crossfire, even if that wasn’t the intention.  Do you honestly think Tony makes these weapons like “oooh, the US military can kill everybody, terrorist or innocent, using my weapons! Kill them all!”  Honestly, knowing the fans, they probably do believe that.  

But why are Steve and Sam seen as true heroes and Tony is a monster?  All of them were legally involved with the military and have killed.

And to add....what about SHIELD and the Avengers a part of it? What about Natasha, who has constantly talked about having “red in her ledger?” Who has constantly implied that innocents have been killed as collateral damage to her targets, or even on purpose?  Yes, Natasha was conditioned as a child into being a killer, I will not ignore that and say she could have stopped anytime.  But Clint was able to convince her to turn, which means that a part of her somewhere knew it was wrong.  Natasha’s arc was all about her trying to “wipe out the red in her ledger”. Why is it truly heroic when Natasha does it, but absolute bullshit when Tony’s arc was basically the same idea? Tony wasn’t tortured the way Natasha was, but Tony didn’t start this weapons manufacturing company; his abusive father did, his father who constantly pushed him into the role of taking over the company someday and continuing his “legacy.”  It’s not the exact same as Natasha’s situation; but their goals for the future were, but one was praised for their ability to change and want to do better and should be absolved, while the other one was seen as being full of shit and should be convicted for everything they’ve done.

And Clint? Who was an assassin who has killed who knows how many people? Before and after the snap? And I’m not talking about him being controlled by Loki, I’m talking about his days as Ronan; being hired to kill people who may have very well be innocent (or at least, didn’t deserve death).  Why is Clint absolved of all guilt, of having “changed”, of being seen as one of the “true heroes”?  Has Clint taken responsibility of his actions as Ronin, or did he just hide it away and try to pretend it never happened until his past caught up to him?  And even then, he is forgiven because he wasn’t the one who picked the targets, he just killed them on orders? Tony wasn’t picking and choosing who his weapons would kill; he had a legal contract with the military and made the weapons they requested.

Some will admit it, but most will pretend that’s not a reason; it has to do with money.  Steve, Sam, Natasha and Clint are relatable; they grew up poor, wanting better for themselves and their families.  Tony is a born into money billionaire, the favorite saying of “eat the rich.” If Tony was a poor kid who was maybe hired at the company and worked his way up into making the weapons, the opinions would probably shift.  But he’s not, and therefore, any attempts to do better are bullshit, while the others are absolved of any guilt.

Now, to go on to one of the qualifications of a war criminal and everyone’s sheer hypocrisy:

The only line in the definition that can really be applied to Tony is “the conscription of children in the military” with Peter.  Yes, Tony brining Peter to Germany was definitely irresponsible, but there’s something very funny about people’s absolute rage of “Stark brought a child into war!”

Your boy, the true hero Steve Rogers, said maybe a half hour or less earlier about your girlboss feminsit queen Wanda Maximoff “she’s a kid!” when Tony tried to confine her to the compound. Yet, in Age of Ultron, while Steve was weeping at the “poor children Maximoff twins” story of the murder Tony Stark murdering everyone, he was more than happy to add them on the Avengers and into the fight Ultron when they decided to save their own skins and switch sides. If your argument is “Wanda (and Pietro) chose to fight!  They wanted to help!  Steve didn’t do anything wrong, he just encouraged them!”  Peter’s been on the streets of Queens for months fighting crime.  Tony absolutely tried to persuade him to come to Germany, but never forced him.  Peter most likely just wanted to help too. Even in the movie, it doesn’t seem like Tony was expecting Peter to actually fully fight; this is the conversation that happens between Peter and Tony during the fight:

Peter: “Mr. Stark, what should I do?”

Tony: “What we discussed.  Keep your distance, web them up.”

And as soon as it looks like this fight is getting more intense for Peter than he thought it would, he tells Peter that he’s done. But everyone fucking ignores that and is totally cool with Steve encouraging his “sweet kid” Wanda to fight.  Why didn’t he tell Wanda when it was getting too much to back off if she’s “just a kid”?  

And the future of the MCU looks like there’s going to be a number of teenage superheroes being recruited.  America Chavez, Kamala Khan, and probably many more coming in the future.  So will the superheroes who recruit them also be seen as “war criminals”?  The answer: most likely not.

The massive problem with everyones rage and pushing of “Tony is a monster because he willingly worked with the military!” stance is one of the most hypocritical things I have ever fucking heard.  If you hate Tony because he willingly worked with the military, fine!  But then you have to add a whole list of a large portion of MCU characters who have also not only worked with the military, but are in the military and are so with pride.  

But they won’t; Tony was born into money billionaire, so, “eat the rich”; and thats all that matters to everyone.

So in conclusion:

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i’m looking for an anti team cap fic on ao3 that i read once where either the entire team or just clint break into tony’s living quarters and finds laura and her kids there with tony watching a movie in the living room and it shocks clint cause he didn’t even know laura left the farm. i’m pretty sure peter and maybe harley are there. i vaguely remember laura’s kids either call tony dad or uncle. i’m not sure if a physical fight breaks out but i know there’s shouting. does it sound familiar to anyone? it might be part of a series.

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I'm sorry I have to point something out a lot people in the fandom call out Tony because he made 14yr old Peter fight for him in civil war and let him join the avengers which has caused a lot of the bad things that has happened to Peter (which I do agree with don't get me wrong) but I wanna talk about civil war because Steve kinda similar thing with Wanda. In the scene where Steve almost signs the accords but doesn't because Tony tells him that Wanda is confined at the compound and let's face it the only reason she was is bc Tony negotiated it with the government if he didn't she definitely would've been thrown in jail so surely the compound was better than the alternative.

But Steve gets mad at this and goes "she's just a kid" (even tho she was in her 20s) but if he cares about her then how come he allowed her to become a fugitive and to fight for team cap? if she's just a kid he shouldn't of let her on her on the team knowing full well that they would've ended in prison. and obviously Wanda did end up in prison she literally put in a straight jacket and likely sedated so she could've use her powers thats what Tony tried to avoid but no Steve let that happen. Even more so if he cared about the avengers and not splitting them up why would he drag them all into something he knew would be illegal just so he could rescue his bestie Bucky Tony even said he would be taken to an American pysch ward instead of a prison in wakanda if he had just signed.

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