2021 Interview with John Schuck
I found an interview with John Schuck dated Aug. 9, 2021 on "Gilbert Gottfried's Amazing Colossal Podcast". I transcribed the parts related to "Holmes & Yoyo" below, but can listen to the whole interview at this link:
1:07:41
Gilbert Gottfried: Now-- Now we can't be nice to you any longer.
Frank Santopadre: Uh-oh.
GG: Talk to us about "Holmes and Yoyo".
FS: Also created by Leonard Stern!
John Schuck: Created by Leonard Stern… Well, it wasn't… [laughs] I must say…
[GG and FS laugh]
JS: All right guys, it was a crap show. Come on…
[GG and FS laugh]
JS: It was well-intended. It was an-- It was an attempt by Leonard to get back to two-man comedy like Abbott and Costello.
FS: Mm-hmm.
JS: I mean, you name your duo. Of course, it never turned out to be that. But several interesting things happened. The craftspeople that could make something funny no longer existed in Hollywood. For instance, if you wanted to take a phone and water squirt and some guy pours water in at one end it comes out and hits them-- the other guy in the face-- those gags, they didn't know how to recreate.
FS: How interesting.
JS: Um, we had a-- a radio that was supp-- I forget what it was. Um, and I remembered that it was-- it couldn't-- it couldn't do that-- there were a number of things… I'm-- I'm babbling here… um, maybe that was one of the problems with the show. But, we worked hard at it. John Astin directed most of them. We re-- we did a lot of naughty things. We rewrote, uh, Richard Shull, a wonderful actor, um, and an interesting man. Uh, we worked 18, 19-hour days for that show, and it just was definitely a dud. Interestingly enough, the previews for it were shown on ABC during the Super Bowl, and so, for our first night, we had the highest-rated show [chuckles] of the year!
[GG laughs]
FS: Oh, interesting!
JS: An-- And it went quickly down.
[GG laughs]
JS: I mean, by today's standards, with so many s-- We-- We went down like from a 22 to 16, you know.
FS: I always thought of it as Leonard trying to take Dick Gautier's Hymie the Robot from "Get Smart" and spin it off into-- into his own series.
JS: Uh yeah… no?…
FS: Although, you had th-- "The Six Million Dollar Man" and "The Bionic Man--
JS: no
FS: Uh, "Woman" were going strong at that time, so--
JS: That's right.
FS: You could understand the thinking.
JS: I also think we made a-- and here I had my-- my argument with Leonard.
[clearing throat]
JS: In the pilot… uh, there's an accident and I'm-- I fall apart on the street and, as a result, Dick Shull knows that I'm a robot. And I said that should never have happened. He shouldn't know that I'm, uh, a robot that way there's much more conflict about why can't I act like normal people and blah, blah, blah and all that kind of stuff. But, um, it-- it was what it was, and we did our 18 shows and… uh, I did have the honor that year, though, with it of being the first actor to be on two tele-- national television series on two different Networks.
FS: There you go! Oh, "McMillan & Wife" and "Holmes & Yoyo".
JS: Right.
FS: Very good. You know, we joke about it because it's easy to-- it's easy to poke fun at-- at-- at-- shows--
JS: I joke about it.
FS: Yeah, of course!
[GG laughs]
FS: But you-- you have to applaud Stern for trying to bring back that kind of classic comedy form to prime time.
JS: Yeah. And you know, we never made a pilot for it. [clears throat] Uh, Jackie Cooper directed the-- we had a-- a scene and Jackie Cooper directed it, and we went up into Sid Sheinberg's office and moved all his furniture away, and Dick and I did the scene. And on the basis of that performance, he-- he let the show go on the air. So, we never made a pilot which was unusual.
FS: Why did the r-- Why did the android have a Russian name?
[laugh]
FS: Why was he Yo…yo…
JS: Gregor Yoyonovich?
FS: Yoyonovich.
[GG laughs]
FS: Why wasn't he just "Yoyo"?
JS: I dunno. They couldn't find a Scandinavian one?
[laughter]
[projector starting up sound effect]
[The "Holmes & Yoyo" opening credits play.]
[Polaroid ejecting sound. Brass music sting]
Capt. Sedford: You've got four partners in the hospital! Come on, Alex! You're a good cop!
Alex: By the way, who's my new partner?
[Sounds of Polaroid ejection, typing, and typewriting bell]
Narrator Paraphrasing Dr. Babcock: We call him Yoyo. He weighs 427 pounds. He's a completely mobile computer specially programmed for police work.
Capt. Sedford: Is he indestructible?
Narrator: We think so.
Capt. Sedford: Send in Holmes.
[peppy funk theme music]
Narrator: This is top secret. No one, including Holmes, must know his identity.
Yoyo: Alex, no! Don't!
Alex: You're not a person!
Yoyo: You're not going to tell them?
Alex: In my book, you got the makings of a good cop. That's what I put in my report.
[music]
[laughter]
FS: One episode was directed by, uh, Jack Arnold. I don't know if--
JS: Yes.
FS: --you'd remember this, Gilbert, the director of "Creature from the Black Lagoon", "Incredible Shrinking Man", and "Tarantula".
1:51:28
FS: By the way, Richard Shull-- I was talking to John, by the way, who, uh, who starred with Richard Shull in "Holmes & Yoyo"-- By the way, you worked with Richard Shull and Richard Stahl.
JS: Yep.
FS: But possibly not Richard Schaal--
JS: No.
FS: --who was married to Valerie Harper…
JS: To Valerie, yeah.
FS: Okay, okay but there you go. But he told me, what? He was a throwback who drove a car from the '40s? Richard-- Richard Shull?
JS: He-- He and his wife, Marilyn, lived in the '40s.
[FS laughs. GG laughs.]
JS: They bought u-- all their clothes from the '40s. It's-- it's various stores. He would write only with a-- a fountain pen. He had a 1940 Chevy or something. A Buick or Chevy. He had-- He was a railroad aficionado, and he owned his own railroad car.
FS: Wow!
JS: And for the opening gift, uh, because he knew of my affection for, as a kid, of-- of taking the train from Buffalo, New York to New York-- to New Jersey to see my grandparents, and I had remarked on the-- on this doeskin type, uh, blankets that they used to have, he gave
me one of those blankets numbered so you could find out where it came from. Which compartment on which-- which train.
FS: That's cool.
JS: Very thoughtful, but he was-- he was eccentric. And their-- their house was all, um, from the '40s. All their furniture. Everything.
FS: He was like a-- sort of a-- a-- a-- a curmudgeonly actor. A little bit like a Matthau.
JS: Yes.
FS: In some ways.
JS: Yes, he had this wonderful, unusual, mobile rubbery face, and, uh, very distinctive and--
FS: Loved him!
JS: Um, he was doing a Neil Simon play, went home between shows in New York, and never c-- you know, the break, never came back.
FS: Oh.
GG: Ohh.
JS: It was a bit of a shock. I hate to end this on such a downer but…
FS: All right then, sing us a little more from "Annie".
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