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wigglebox · 1 year

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this is another reason why i don’t think Jack is Jack TM and that i am still on my Chuck Won bullshit

This lovely gifset.

another major part of the Chuck Won theory for me is that Cas specifically was used as a barometer of truth in season 15.

Because he’s the only one who can really exist outside of the narrative, and virtually untouchable in that case, when he was around it was easier to discern the truth about things and served as what was “Real.” Remember the line from 15x02 in that room where he’s trying to talk Dean out of that existential crisis he’s having, about what’s real, and that they are.

In one of those ‘real’ instances, is when Cas can tell that Jack is Jack.

There were three times in season 15 where Cas was needed to confirm if Jack was Jack.

15x01, he confirmed it was not Jack but in fact a Demon possessing Jack’s body.

15x11, he confirmed it was Jack after he came back from The Empty.

15x19.... he wasn’t there to determine that Jack was still Jack after he absorbed Chuck’s powers.

And I found that significant.

In my head there is a conspiracy that Chuck and The Empty were working together at this. And part of that is this game of chess that Chuck set up where he wipes out the pieces on the board that pose a threat to him:

Dean, Sam, Billie, Jack, Amara, and Cas.

Have The Empty make a deal with Billie, a fake deal, to get Jack ready to contain Chuck when in actuality it was to make it so Jack could become a vessel for Chuck bc he’s the only one who could do that.

Billie and Dean already had an antagonistic relationship so it wouldn’t take much poking and prodding to get Billie to go after Dean in her attempt to stablize things, losing herself a little bit in the process.

By having her go after Dean, Chuck can trigger Cas’ deal with The Empty.

And if Cas is off the board, then so is the ONLY litmus test to truly know if Jack is Jack or not.

And so by also not having Cas in 1x13 of The Winchesters, you can’t tell if that Jack is really OUR Jack or if it’s... Chuck.

And given the reference to that Kansas song, and these looks, idk — feels like it really isn’t OUR Jack and is in fact a continuation of ‘Is Chuck possessing Jack?’

#spnwin thots #spnwin spoilers #spnwin spec #continuation spec #spn spec #*cries bc i have so much coffee in me now*

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flyingfish1 · 2 years

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*the piece of chalk with which I have been writing “I will not get sucked into spn speculation again” over and over and over and over for the past two years snaps in half* *before I can pick up another piece of chalk -- *

Did you see what Jared Padalecki just said at JIBcon a few days ago?:

JP: Jensen and I have talked about a great way to see some more of Sam and Dean Winchester – um – and without giving too much detail, and nothing’s been written! – but I think we’d like to see what would happen if somehow or another,* Sam and Dean ended up back on earth, somehow? Um. Yeah. Unfortunately, these last two years since we wrapped Supernatural, neither of us has aged well, and it would be too expensive to cover up in visual effects and makeup, so we’re gonna have to do it like thirty years in the future. [laughs]

*I've seen a tweet or two reporting that he said, “another Sam and Dean” – as in, AU Sam and Dean, from an AU world – but that’s an error: he's saying the phrase “somehow or another.” Referring to our Sam and Dean.

I don’t want to get ahead of myself – as he says, nothing’s been written. A continuation is not imminent! A continuation might not happen at all! Even if it did, there’s no guarantee that it would follow that plot!

But I can’t help going “augh” over him saying more or less the same thing that Jensen Ackles was saying a year and a half ago, last March:

JA: Uh, well, I think we caught a glimpse of what Dean does in Heaven. I think he drives around in Baby and he pops tops on the front porch of Harvelle’s and he probably goes over to Mom and Dad’s and gets some lasagna, and then he goes for a drive and, you know, he’s – I think he’s just trying to live his best life. I think at a certain point, he’s, uh, he’s gonna miss the life – and he’s probably gonna – probably get with Sam and tell Jack, “Hey. Put us in, Coach.” And that’s the Netflix, or the Amazon, or the Apple, or the, uh, whatever streaming (uh, Hulu) type of subscription you subscribe to – that’s the reboot. JP: Or maybe we just like grab a few GoPros and get in the Impalas and roll camera. JA: [laughs] And then just sell it to everybody! Hey, I know a production company that would actually do that. JP: Can we call them? Do you know their number? JA: I have their number. Yeah.

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I’m just kind of struck by, you know… It just seems like this is a concept that Jensen Ackles, in particular, is very into. First suggesting the “Put us in, Coach,” thing, and now (still? Again?), a year and a half later, reportedly talking with JP about “Sam and Dean ending up back on earth.” He’s been holding onto this idea. Or at least, so it seems.

(Dare I hope?)

Okay. Okay. *picks up chalk* I will n

*puts down chalk* It's just. The idea of the "Congratulations! Your reward and happy ending is that you get to be dead!" ending being negated in some way. The idea of them getting to live. I can't emotionally afford to be super optimistic about this anymore, lolol, but. I can't help but yearn. I'm yearning.

#spn #spn spec #jibcon 2022 #spn reboot #?#???#?????????#my thoughts

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letmetellyouaboutmyfeels · 2 months

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"if Buck or Eddie is going to be revealed as queer, it means Buddie will be happening." I actually completely agree with this but can I ask you why you think this? I also want to say that I don't think Eddie needs this kind of experiment arc or self discovery arc Buck is going to get. Eddie is just going to simply be in love with his best friend, and that will be it. Buck will be the experienced one.

I think that if they're giving Buck a self-discovery/experimentation arc they won't give one to Eddie because that would be redundant.

I wondered in season five if Eddie would come out - it was very heavily coded that way in my opinion - which would've meant that Buck then wouldn't get a self-discovery/experimentation arc. Again in my opinion. It would just be redundant to have both of them do that.

So yes, I agree with you, I think Eddie is just simply going to be in love with his best friend. Which I think suits him best. I personally don't think Eddie would bother to label himself or care about that kind of thing and would say "well I'm not straight" if asked and leave it at that.

The reason I think that if one or both of them is coming out as queer it means Buddie will be happening is that if the writers are cognizant enough to realize the audience sees queerness in one or both of them, they are also cognizant enough of the fact that making one or both of them queer and not getting them together is a) ridiculous and b) unkindly teasing the audience.

Looking at the situation as a writer, the simplest, easiest, obvious solution is to have Buck and Eddie date each other. If I'm going to make them queer, why would I reinvent the wheel by introducing a love interest the audience may not like, that I'll have to do extra work to get the audience to like, when I can just get them with each other?

Additionally, if I have noticed "hey we kinda made 'em queer and people have noticed," then I have also noticed the audience wants them together. To make Buck queer and give him a coming out episode/arc but then not get him with Eddie is rather like Lucy yanking the football away from Charlie Brown. While it's fun to bait and switch your audience in some ways (like who will have their life in danger in an episode, etc), you don't want to alienate your audience or make them feel played or cheated.

To make Buck queer and then not get him with Eddie would be like a middle-finger consolation prize. "Here FINE Buck's into men are you HAPPY?" And while there are definitely showrunners and writers out there who are that level of petty, most are not. Most care about their characters, story, and audience, and frankly most don't want to risk alienating their audience that much.

I think by now, showrunners and other head creatives are aware that "well we won't get the two together but we'll make one of them bi" isn't going to be treated as the well-intentioned consolation prize they think it is.

Additionally while I have a lot I'd like to yell at Tim about, he did say forever ago (back in season three I believe) that he never wants to make writing decisions based on pettiness or spite, and I choose to believe he stands by that.

Of course nothing is set in stone and if they do make Buck queer they might not make Buddie canon. But to me it simply makes the most sense. It's the easiest route and the most likely explanation for why Buck is coming out, and to not do it would be yanking the rug out from under your audience a bit, and I don't think any sensible writing team or showrunner would do that.

#mads answers things #I mean we all saw what happened when SPN tried it #didn't work out so great for them did it?#911 spec

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curioussubjects · 1 year

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Ok so I have some spnwin-spn connection spec I wanna share with y'all from back when @alwaysanoriginal were spiraling over some interview about The Winchesters (as we do). The second to last question is about John's journal being created, which of course made me think of plot hole vampmimes. Of course.

Or maybe not so plothole-y?

That was mostly a joke, though I did hope tonight was going to maybe for the lolz address that. Well, little did I know because that old convo continued with this:

DOES THIS REMIND YOU OF ANYTHING YOU WATCHED TONIGHT

DOES IT

Char, then, decided to come for me in the night and point out that the Running on Empty montage in 19 has some pretty choice scenes featuring Changing Channels, Wayward Sisters and the AU rift, Dean time traveling, and The Heroes' Journey (which I always argued was essentially the intended finale metaphorically).

Side note: sorry to expose y'all to my private ravings lol

A lot of this actually comes back to a point Billie made in s15 about Chuck building reality with himself at the center to keep it ticking. So how can you possibly beat him? By letting him think he won. I can't help but remember that delightful line from Dean in s12: "‘Cause we’re not trapped out here with you. You’re trapped out here with us." You know, that one time Dean and Sam pulled a death gambit to escape a black ops site.

But back to The Winchesters: last week we had Carlos refusing to play Loki's game (a god who can affect reality, or one's perception thereof) and winning. But to do so, he had to put his life on the line. He had to be willing to lose everything. By the way, I am once again feeling very emotional about Carlos saying he sacrificed everything for hunting, but he gained so much more because that's it! That's the thing! So yeah...cue Carlos singing Hard Times Come Again No More to his family.

This week John is the one with the seemingly inescapable fate of death (courtesy of vampires because of course), and while he doesn't tap out of the game, he realizes he knows nothing about the context of what he saw. He only got half the story, and the rest was up to him. It's appropriate, too, that this week we get another Supernatural classic with Mary reassuring John that they will find another way. And yeah, John does and wins.

And, I mean, if we're talking fate and god and gambles, why not remember a nifty piece of advice Sam and Dean received from Fortuna in The Gamblers: “Don’t play his game. Make him play yours.”

My point is if we look at 19 and 20 much like we would a vision from an amulet, none of the plot of Supernatural needs to change. It's fated. But as Millie says, and John says, and Dean say: fate is what you make it. And if The Winchesters is about how Sam and Dean became the Winchesters, then what else is this show but the context we've been missing all along.

(send this man to stan jail tbh)

[also what is more Winchester stupid than the cosmic consequences of saving your family...like...say...releasing the Darkness or...causing an Akrida infestation...though who knows that could've been on purpose for reasons. I'm putting nothing past spnwin.]

Don't ask me how Dean goes from pulling a death gambit to get into heaven to time travelling to tweak with his parents' past. We're through the looking glass here people and we'll simply have to wait and see -- but the puzzle is for sure getting less mysterious. Something free will, knowledge, family, and Growth, something. Therapy. You know, The Winchesters.

Or I'm totally off the mark and I'll have egg for face who's to say, but for now, as a treat, I'm feeling very

#yes that's an apollo gift of prophecy joke that only 10 people will get what of it lolsobs #the winchesters #supernatural #spnwin #spn #the winchesters spoilers #spnwin spec #spn meta #my writing #remember how we've been joking about the finale being absurdist theater #WELL DO I HAVE BIG IF TRUE NEWS FOR YOU LMAO #please think about that godawful barn speech as a french mistake attempt at acting #if there's a lock there must be a key style #it's FICTION! A COMPLETE FABRICATION!#but it's also true because it happened we lost we sacrificed everything #but we gained so much more #chuck won #...but then he didnt!!!!

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m1zumono · 4 months

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100% fr think dean was aspec

#like both aro and ace spec BOTH #i have reasons #spn #supernatural #dean winchester

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thigholstercas · 1 year

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woke up thinking what if Chuck aka God is hiding in the past somehow (I haven't figured out the how yet) but we saw him there playing the piano, so what if it's not a sure! rob could wear a wig so he can be in the episode I mean louden swain didn't promote themselves in spnwin with rob so it has to be something different. anyway, what if Dean is chasing him because he knows it's not over yet...

#the winchesters #spnwin #spn #spnwin spoilers #spnwin spec

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drsilverfish · 1 year

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Ground Control to Major Tom 1x01 Pilot The Winchesters

I’m catching up due to my VPN issues, so still musing on 1x01 Pilot and the theme that this story, The Winchesters, is a Supernatural AU.

As John struggles with his ‘Nam PTSD flashbacks of his dead friend Murph, the one who stepped on a landmine and whom he couldn’t save, Mary tries to bring him back to the present by quoting from Bowie’s Space Oddity (which came out in 1969):

This is another riff on the theme of aliens (the Akrida) to add to the Slaughterhouse 5 reference in 1x01 Pilot. Space Oddity was inspired by Kubrick’s 2001: A Space Odyssey (1968) which was inspired by Arthur C. Clarke’s short sci-fi story The Sentiel (1951). What could be more AU than aliens in Supernatural, at this point in the timeline, and, we are riffing, here, with the Major Tom reference, on a story with multiple versions/ inspirations leading to other re-interpretive creative texts.

Major Tom, is one of Bowie’s characters who appears across multiple songs, “Space Oddity”, “Ashes to Ashes”, “Hallo Spaceboy”, “Major Tom (Coming Home)” and “Blackstar”, and Bowie’s interpretation of him evolved and changed over time.

David Bowie as Major Tom in Love You Till Tuesday (1969) (Wikipedia)

All grist to the mill of pondering whether this may not be Universe One Supernatural’s John Winchester, but an AU version.

15x20 Carry On ended Supernatural as a tragedy, when it should have been a redemption narrative.

As a counter-point, Perhaps Robbie T’s AU The Winchesters is going to be a redemption narrative, about how John and Mary don’t become Universe One Supernatural’s John and Mary, thanks to, among other things, a Scooby Gang of friends like Lata and Carlos whom they didn’t have in Universe One.

#Supernatural #The Winchesters #1x01 Pilot #SPN meta #Meta #The Winchesters spec #Robbie Thompson #The Winchesters meta

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castieliswatchingyou · 2 years

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so I’ve been focusing on this trailer too much and I noticed 2 distinct times where the screen has a glitching effect

the first time is when the iconic laz rising shot appears for a split second

and the second time is when mary is getting a weapon or something (around 1:23 in the trailer) and it also shows some weapons

after some snooping I figured that this brief shot of weapons is definitely in the impala’s trunk, as lots of them are the same as this shot from 12.11 regarding dean

idk what dots I’m connecting, but i definitely find it odd that these two “glitches” show us the only two shots that exist already in supernatural, not footage from the prequel

#the winchesters #spn #supernatural #supernatural prequel #spec #idk I’m really stuck on these weird glitches #for some reason it reminds me of how chuck was always in control of their story #and the fact it’s glitching makes me think there’s some manipulation/altering happening #idk idk

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magdaclaire · 1 year

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besties... interact with this post if you’d like to be on my tag list?

#if this flops i will delete #this post at least but maybe my entire blog who knows #mer rambles #this is a tag list spec for my spn works. you will not be tagged on my other bullshit prommy

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postmodernmulticoloredcloak · 1 year

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Anyway my old theory/speculation that Mary will have John's memories of hunting removed in order for them to live as normal civilians, as she wants to leave hunting but he gets too much into it to willingly follow her out... I had speculated that Tony might do it, now Lata has learnt the technique from Tony, so it's even easier.

On the other hand, Dean's domino pieces falling... where are they headed? Are they going to actually end up in the place the original narrative started, or not?

#spn spec #spnwin #spn

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deanwasalwaysbi · 2 years

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you’re right tho. they can’t revive the show and bring cas back and have him and dean reunite without addressing destiel to some capacity. not only would it be unfair to misha’s ending to retract the romantic connotations of his declaration, but they know the backlash they’d get trying to bury it. jensen is hell bent on a revival. cas is inevitably coming back. these are facts. 2 + 2 = a destiel reunion and some indication of a confession aftermath. one we actually deserved to see and they deserved to play out. dean was gonna sidle up next to cas in heaven’s roadhouse anyway, which gives me an idea of at least the subtextual direction they’ll go. and he has robbie on the prequel and rich directing, notable destiel-supporting creatives. plus, chaos machine is front-loading the visibility of their queer rep support. i will be utterly baffled if we don’t get something.

Maybe we've all just been burned too many times but my problem is I don't have faith. There is absolutely nowhere else I can accept this story going at this point. Dean saves cas and - yeah fuck it - an on screen kiss or no ambiguity clear as fuck declaration, or I don't want to see it. No CW, no singer, woosh episode 20 never happened we are going to do a six episode post 18 finale redo. Sounds gay. I'm in.

Or I don't want to see it.

Am I nervous that Jensen can't risk a mlm kiss as his mainstream career is taking off? Yes. Would I accept a clear statement instead? Yes. But I don't think we'd get one. "Dean wouldn't" is too strong.

But then I didn't think we'd get Dean's confession in the Trap or 15 FREAKING 18. So.

They COULD start off in post canon with Cas already back. But they can't do that without answering some vital questions. Has Cas seen Dean and vice versa? What is their relationship now? Who is blurry wife? Were Jody Donna and the girls alive? Did the AU hunters come back? Did. Chuck. Win?

At this point you can not revive spn and chicken out. It's time to commit.

#Anon I want to follow you but I don't know who you are #my asks #unhinged deranged rants #who ordered one?#spn reboot spec #apollo #i don't want to be #cursed with prophecy

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wigglebox · 2 years

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i surface from time to time waving the chuck won theory flag and i’m back again babeyyyyy

*the following is an utter denial of that heaven endgame and that cas is there so if you don’t agree with that then this post may not be for you!

Let’s talk about this shot.

This shot... makes me feral. Especially knowing 15x04 was the first episode they shot for the season.

This shot is why I just cannot accept the fact that they are actually in Heaven, nor that Cas is there.

Let’s start here. The fireplace mantle.

This mantle is like an adult toy shelf. We’ve already been in Becky’s space where she’s creating things that are like “toys”. They’re models, sets, other merch items. But here, it’s all decoration. You have funko pop stuff action figures — toys. It’s all toys up there. It’s a toy shelf.

While they’re talking about Chuck getting his motivation and inspiration back, he takes the little Sam one down, fiddles with it, and puts it back in the opposite direction.

There is also some Cas ones up there.

It’s a toy shelf.

A lot of folks will say that the presence of Cas at that Road House means he’s in Heaven, but in my one on one with Misha he said that Jimmy was supposed to be dressed as Cas.

To me, this plays into the theory that Chuck just cannot control Cas whatsoever and it’s only gotten worse as time goes on. He can’t even create a fake Cas. The only way to do so is to pull over his vessel who’s in Heaven and dress him like Cas. The last time we saw Jimmy he was not wearing the coat and tie. So putting him in this outfit would have really signaled to us that something is wrong.

More on that in a bit. Stick a pin in that. It’s a big reason why I don’t believe Cas is with Dean by the end, nor do I want him to be.

But going back to the toy shelf — look at this at the end.

I always forget her family photo is on this toy shelf.

In talking with friends about the Chuck Won theory, I use the metaphor of Chuck putting Dean and Sam up on the ‘toy shelf’ bc he’s done playing with them. Much like this toy shelf here.

But that does not mean they’re dead. And this family portrait up there is why.

Chuck by the end of the episode Thanos’ed Becky’s family and then her. But before he dusts her, they have this exchange:

BECKY: No! The kids.

CHUCK: Oh, don’t worry. They’re not dead. They’re just away.

Sam and Dean aren’t dead, they’re just away. They’re put back up on the shelf. Chuck is done with them.

The shelf itself? The Empty.

My poor friends have had to listen to me ramble and rant about this theory that Chuck and The Empty were working together, and that’s how Chuck managed to get the plot going in his favor.

This right here is why I think that.

The Chess Board TM

Right now the game is not in play. Everyone is set at their starting positions, where they know to be. The position that esablishes their role. Chuck at this point in the narrative doesn’t know where to go or how to start in that direction, so the game is not yet in motion.

But there’s a chessboard regardless right in the foreground of the shot [thanks jackles] and that’s another metaphor I keep mumbling about to my poor friends.

If the toy shelf is The Empty, then the chess board is Chuck’s plan; his game.

In constantly thinking about the Chuck Won theory, I think about who’s left on the field — and no one is.

Chuck managed to get rid of every threat against him by the end of the show. And, if he’s in cahoots with The Empty, then he knows about Cas’ deal. He knows he can’t tell Cas what to do, but he can put Cas in a situation that’d force him to act.

So now we got:

Billie — who already didn’t like the brothers, Dean in particular all that much, antagonized against Dean after Dean hits her with the thingy thing she has idk I can’t spell it. Chuck starts dusting people, Dean thinks it’s her. They have a forced hostile relationship, thus putting Dean in a lot of danger. Chuck knows the only way to contain her is to get the Empty down there to get her but there’s no way to do that — unless —

Cas — Putting Dean in a situation where his life is in danger like that would automatically cause Cas to respond. Chuck may not be able to control him but ‘too much heart’ was always Cas’ problem, and while it’s a strength it’s also a weakness that can be exploited at times. So, put Dean in a position where he’s about to die, Cas is going to call The Empty down to get Billie and sacrifice himself in order to save Dean.

So now Chuck got rid of two threats and they’re gonna be kept there by The Empty who’s working with him.

Jack — The Empty, working with Chuck, is leading Billie on a little bit with this plan that Jack can be Thee Solution TM but here’s how to do it. However, the plan wasn’t actually to defeat Chuck, it was to prime a vessel for him. If you can’t beat Jack, join him — by... possessing him. In my opinion, this season was about preparing Jack to be a vessel, not to defeat Chuck. Why I think this is because Jack had a monolouge at the end of 1519, but the ‘villain’ in 15x20, Jenny, had 8 words. Jack to Chuck is the villain. But also, ironically, Chuck is the villain to OUR protagonists, and Chuck also knows that. So Jack-Chuck got the monologue, and said ‘Chuck [myself] wrote himself into the narrative, that was his mistake.’ So essentially, Chuck nabbed himself a new ride and is off to the races.

Amara — Chuck appealed to her sense of love for humanity and this idea of love as a weakness in general and basically silver tongued his way into getting her to join up with him. How on earth did the boys defeat Chuck when he’s literally at full power now? But anyways.

Michael — I don’t think Michael was AS big of a threat but likely Chuck knew that Michael could be talked into doing the right thing by Adam. But literally just in case as an insurance policy, he feeds Michael and pulls down Lucifer to feed to Jack so Jack can get strengthened up. Adam, his moral compass, is also gone, making it easier.

Dean, Sam — Just... put them back on the toy shelf. They believe they defeated the bad guy, and just go back to life as normal. Almost way too normal. Like a deep regression. Get Dean out of the way first bc his death was always going to be tragic bc Chuck likes that shit. Sam can live his little life or whatever and then he can bite the big one and go join Dean and they have no idea that they aren’t, actually, in Heaven or reality at all.

So that’s the chessboard cleared, and Chuck’s calling Check Mate.

*another side tangent — a lot of folks write off 15x01 to 15x03 but if you take into consideration what was going on, in a broad sense, you get a bunch of souls, trapped in a bubble, trying to escape. And wouldn’t that just be fitting for a continuation?

Some other things I wanted to note:

I don’t believe Cas is in heaven. For one thing, narrative wise, makes no sense. There’s no Empty rescue, there’s no reason to believe he got out on his own. The Empty CAN hold humans, they just don’t default to The Empty. But Billie threatened to throw them in there so — The Empty can hold humans so even Cas’ fading grace wouldn’t have had an impact. In all the times Cas has died we have had to wait a very long time to see him again. There’s just one time, the season 5 finale, where we didn’t. Otherwise: Season 4-5 hiatus, Season 7, Season 7-8 hiatus, season 12-13 hiatus and subsequent episodes etc etc. To me, bringing Cas back for 15x20 kind of dulls the impact of 1518 which was just one episode prior. There’s just 15x19 between them [and no even if there was a 22-23 episode season it’s still not enough time]. There’s no effort made to get him. Plot beat wise, it makes literally no sense for him to just magically appear like haha hey waddup it’s ya boi skinny penis

But also, going along with the Chuck Won theory — Bobby had said that ‘Cas helped’ Jack fix up Heaven. How... in the fuck... did Jack get Cas out of The Empty? How. The Empty hates HATES both of them. ABSOLUTELY Hates them.

Also, Jack said basically he was going to be hands off, and I’d imagine that includes plucking people down from The Empty.

However, you know who does pluck people out of The Empty? Chuck. Though no, I don’t think Chuck took Cas out of The Empty either.

But also, The Empty is loud! Everything is awake! We have no reason to believe it’s not because we weren’t given evidence that anything happened up there. Where we left off was: Cas and Billie taken ALIVE to The Empty which is awake and loud now. Nothing else.

And Jack MADE it loud. The Empty hates Jack, The Empty hates that Cas keeps getting away — they’re not going to just walk in and walk out.

So that made no sense to me.

But also on another note: In 15x02 they managed to sneak in that VERY pointed and thematic line of “You asked what about this is real? We are” from Cas.

Cas is the ONLY one who has escaped the narrative. It’s why Chuck hates him so much. Cas is the beacon of ‘real’. He’s the truth, he’s the antithesis of Chuck. He’s the Free Will guy and Chuck is the Puppet Strings Guy.

The reason why, if the Chuck Won theory is correct, I don’t want Cas in “Heaven” is because I don’t want Dean to ever EVER EVER question if Cas is real or not. I don’t want him, if Cas is rescued and they all live happily ever after, to constantly be worried at night that he’s still locked up somewhere and whatever is happening isn’t actually happening.

Cas has to remain this beacon of truth. Chuck can’t recreate him or make an imitation. Cas has to be able to exist as someone Dean can look at and go ‘Real’. So if Chuck Won is correct, and they’re really not in heaven and it’s all a mirage to placate the boys, then I don’t want Cas there.

I don’t want Cas, The Truth, Reality, to ever be anything other than that.

#other things to note: El Sol beer and Dean commenting on it for like the first time?? i think ever???#The concert was for us not for dean #dean doesn't give any more of a shit about kansas than he does any other 70s band #that's not his favorite band #also in 15x04 chuck spikes the lense twice before he gets his inspiration #anyway this has been brought to you by vyvanse and caffiene #don't do drugs kiddos yayyyy #long post #spn meta #spn spec #all of this to say is that i think in the prequel dean is in this 'heaven' before sam gets there and is pulling on the thread #and wouldn't it just be great that leading into the continuation we get the shot from the bridge but as soon as the cameras are 'off' the #colors go back to gray and blue and dean's like we got work to do #bc he figured it all out WOO #okay i have to go burn this energy off #also like — i know people like the cas is in heaven thing and like the heaven thing #and this isn't to diminish that but to just kind put my thots on paper #or a blog post lol #i know it's sad to think that cas an dean may be apart. but i think maybe bc i'm such a continuation truther #i don't think it'd be like that forever anyway #idk #15x20 felt like dark night of the soul #and not a final thing

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