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fungi-maestro · 2 years
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The Question in The Question: The Deaths of Vic Sage (2019)
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theimaginauts · 2 years
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THE QUESTION
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Art by ANDREA SORRENTINO
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confusion-doodle · 1 year
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Hey lads, would starting with The Deaths of Vic Sage be a terrible idea or alright?
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hawkzeyes · 1 year
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Give me slutty Vic Sage or give me death
The Question #22 (1986)
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VIC SAGE/THE QUESTION from DC COMICS (formerly CHARLTON COMICS)
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JUSTIFICATION:
"Has a whole thing surrounding death and rebirth. She’s like constantly depersonalizing and talking about not really feeling like a “man” (in the personhood sense but still). A lot of her closest allies are sapphic women. She shows up in a lesbian bar in one panel. She probably still would have been killed and resurrected for shit philosophy crimes but it would make at least a smidge easier I think" - Anonymous
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brutaliakhoa · 2 years
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Renee Montoya Reading List
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Foreword: Renee Montoya was initially a detective in the Major Crimes Unit of GCPD; after events in Gotham Central (2003), she resigned out of disgust from the level of corruption she witnessed in the department, at which point she was approached by Vic Sage, the Question. They worked closely to dismantle Intergang in 52, and after Sage’s death Montoya inherited the Question mantle as well as his mask, hat, and trenchcoat treated with binary gas to make her appear faceless. Montoya is skilled in detective work, acrobatics, martial arts, and escapology.
The list below includes Renee’s appearances in arcs that I enjoyed, not an exhaustive list but pretty close to it. The issue numbers bolded and italicized are essential reading (either significant to her character arc or a good story in its own right). Titles appear in chronological order.
Detective at GCPD:
The Batman Chronicles (1995)
#13 (first story in the issue); #16 (first story of the issue about Twoface & Renee, events ties into No Man’s Land)
The Batman and Robin Adventures (1995) #21
Summary: Barbara solves a case with Renee as a supporting character
No Man’s Land (1999)
Notes: Renee may not be in every issue, but incredibly important to the overall storyline. If you haven’t read NML it’s overall an incredible book.
Detective Comics (1937) #747
Batman: Officer Down (2001)
Batman (1940) #587; Robin (1993) #86; Birds of Prey (1999) #27; Catwoman (1993) #90; Nightwing (1996) #53; Detective Comics (1937) #754; Batman: Gotham Knights (2000) #13
Notes: Renee in a background role, but still a good read if you like seeing the bats solving a case together
Gotham Girls (2002) #1-5
Notes: short story with Barbara as Batgirl, Gotham City Sirens, and Renee; in the art style of Batman and Robin Adventures. #4 is slightly more Renee-focused.
Batman: Bruce Wayne Murderer? + Batman: Bruce Wayne Fugitive (2002)
Notes: Renee is a background character in this but both books are great reads
Gotham Central (2003)
Notes: you could choose to read through all the issues #1-40 but below are the specific issues where Renee appears/plays a major role in. Bolded and italicized issues are key turning points in Renee’s story that will be referenced in later books.
#1-2 (case with Mister Freeze); #6-10 (warning: mentioned sexual assault case, homophobia [slur, forced outing]); #12-15 (sniper targeting city officials; not my favorite but Renee also appears here); #23-24 (Crispus is framed, Renee investigates. Warning: slur); #25 (the crew reacts to the commissioner taking down the bat signal); #28-31 (Renee and Crispus travel to Keystone City for a cure. Warning: homophobia, racism); #32 (Warning: police brutality, homophobia, racism); #37-40 (Warning: police brutality)
Post-Resignation:
52 (2006) #1-52
Notes: A year in which the DC Trinity have disappeared from the public eye. Includes how Renee meets Vic Sage and how she becomes the Question.
The Question:
Crime Bible: The Five Lessons of Blood (2007)#1-5
Notes: Continues Renee’s adventures in 52, hunting down the last copy of the Crime Bible
Final Crisis: Revelations (2008) #1-5
Notes: Renee tries to delay a prophecy concerning the return of Cain, things fall apart. Warning: attempted sexual assault in #1
Question: Pipeline (2009)
Notes: also backup issues in Detective Comics (1937) #854-865 if you can’t find it by name. Renee solves a disappearance and stumbles into a bigger operation.
Question (1987) #37
Notes: Tie-in for Blackest Night, but can be read as a stand-alone issue. Lady Shiva comes to challenge Renee after hearing about her taking on the Question mantle.
Lois Lane (2019) #1-12
Notes: Some characters may make more sense if you’ve read Crime Bible (2007) and Final Crisis: Revelations (2008)). Lois Lane does what she does best—digging for the truth—with the help of Renee and other familiar faces.
I am Batman (2021) #0-15
Notes: Currently ongoing as of August 2022, series ends in November. Jace struggles with his place in the family and his role as Batman. The Question follows him to New York City.
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ao3feed-brucewayne · 29 days
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Dawn of the Duelverse - (an alternate Post-Crisis DC Historia)
by IGeo An alternate history of the Post-Crisis DC Universe. The Anti-Monitor's mad dream of erasing positive matter from existence has been dashed. By all accounts, The Multiverse should've been made one. Instead, by some unknown means, mitosis occurred. Now what was five is only two. In the aftermath of the crisis, with the worlds of the Justice Society and Justice League dividing the spoils of the other surviving three between them, the new "Duelverse" finds itself settling into a new paradigm. Worlds have lived, worlds have died, and nothing will ever be the same. Words: 1205, Chapters: 1/?, Language: English Fandoms: DCU (Comics), Justice Society of America (Comics), Teen Titans (Comics), Justice League of America (Comics), Infinity Inc. (Comics), Kingdom Come (Comics), Green Lantern (Comics), Superman (Comics), The Question (Comics), Power Girl (Comics) Rating: Teen And Up Audiences Warnings: Graphic Depictions Of Violence, Major Character Death, No Archive Warnings Apply Categories: Gen, Multi, Other Characters: Judy Garrick, Jay Garrick, Alan Scott (DCU), Kent Nelson, Al Pratt, Kal-L | Earth-2 Superman, Bruce Wayne, Vic Sage, David Sikela, Kyle Rayner, Karen Starr | Kara Zor-L, Sandman (Character), Nathaniel Adam, Christopher Smith | Peacemaker, Jared Stevens, Jessica Cruz, Simon Baz, Doomsday (Superman), Ultra-Humanite, Amanda Waller, Ted Kord, Michael Carter (DCU), Peter Cannon, Sonia Sato, Sparkington Northrup, Yolanda Montez, Lyta Trevor-Hall, Koriand'r (DCU), Wesley Dodds, Jim Corrigan, Mar Novu | The Monitor, The Childminder, Matthew Tyler, Courtney Whitmore, Diana (Wonder Woman), Iris West II, Olivia Queen | Oliver Queen's Daughter, Avia | Scott Free and Big Barda's Daughter, Jennifer Pierce, Mar'i Grayson, Helena Wayne Relationships: Helena Wayne & Original Character(s), Kara Zor-L & John Constantine, Dick Grayson/Koriand'r, Mary Batson | Mary Bromfield & Freddy Freeman, Dinah Lance/Oliver Queen, Jennifer-Lynn Hayden/Kyle Rayner, Selina Kyle/Bruce Wayne Additional Tags: Pre-Crisis, Post-Crisis (DCU), Earth-2 (DCU), Earth-1 (DCU), Justice Society of America (DCU), Mentioned Teen Titans (DCU), What If? (Marvel Comics), Elseworlds, Alternate Universe - Canon Divergence, Parallel Universes, Alternate Universe - 1940s, Earth-22 (Kingdom Come Comics), Documentation, Alternate History, Worldbuilding, Super Squad (Legacies), Superheroes via https://ift.tt/SdfeWmI
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Summary: When Jason's former girlfriend shows up a week before Red Hood shows up Bruce gets suspicious and goes to visit her. He finds out more than what she was saying.
This is based on the first part of Bruce's retelling of the events of Under The Red Hood in Death In The Family when he's talking to Clark.
Authors Note: The reader is from Hub City and sibling to Vic Sage AKA The Question. If you don't know who that is, he was a member of the Justice League, a detective, and a conspiracy theorist as well as a vigilante for Hub City. Vic died of lung cancer and has a successor who isn't the reader but that isn't important. If anything confuses you please ask me and I'll try to answer to the best of my ability. The reader also goes by Inquiry.
TW: Mentions of death and angst, anxiety ticks(totally not projecting).
Word Count: 1k+
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I visited Y/N. She had shown up in Gotham a week before the Red Hood had made his first appearance. I should have questioned it but it had become normal for her to show up every few months, after Vic’s death she would show up in Jason’s room every other month and after Jason died, she continued to keep doing so but at his grave instead. 
I had found it curious that the Red Hood had shown up a week after she had but Y/N was smart and knew how to cover her tracks so that I would never find out the connection between them. She knew I would question it but she also knew that there would be doubt in her actions, she had hoped that the doubt would win out. 
It didn’t. 
I found her at a cafe that she and Jason would visit frequently, I knew that if I could get her to look me in the eyes. If I could let her know that if it was Jason, that she had brought him here from Hub City, then I wouldn’t be angry at her.  She knew I was coming, always seemed to know when I caught wind of her being in Gotham and we would always meet at the same cafe. 
He looked into the window of the cafe, Y/N sat there, drinking her coffee and playing with a napkin. In front of her was another coffee, she knew he would show up as he always did when he caught wind that she was in Gotham. Would always ask how she was and they would engage in small conversation before she would leave and go back to her home in Hub City and back to Inquiry and her job. 
Straightening his jacket, Bruce opened the door and walked inside, heading straight for their usual booth in the back of the cafe only this time she was facing the entrance to the cafe. 
“I can switch seats if you want, I suppose I wanted to see you more vulnerable,” she said as he approached, setting down the shredded napkin and grabbing her coffee. “It’s good for someone to be vulnerable every once in a while, not good to be so tense all of the time though I can guess that you will be more now that you are not facing the door.” She took a sip of her coffee but made no indication that she was going to move. 
He waved her off and sat down, an uncomfortable feeling settling in him when he did so. “It’s fine, good to switch things up every now and then.”
She took the cup away from her for a second and looked at him with faux uninterest in her eyes. “I guess if Clark can do it so can you,” she said taking another sip out of the mug. 
Confusion showed up in his expression and his eyebrows furrowed in it. “How did you?” She looked over the mug, the ceramic barely hiding a cheeky grin. Bruce laughed, he was suddenly remembered why his son liked her so much. The charm that she carried with her, the dry and sudden humor that she held. “Cameras?” He asked.
She shook her head and set down the mug, picking up a new napkin to start shredding. “Few of my visits when you didn’t know that I was here, I would walk by and catch you two.”  Bruce watched as the napkin started to be folded. “It’s sweet that you and Clark can get along but yet…” She let her indication hang in the air but he knew what she meant. 
Bruce Wayne and Clark Kent could get along, be confidents and be open with each other but Superman and Batman would rather kill each other than ever agree on anything. 
A small forced laugh came out of him, something that he had always been trained in doing, forgetting who he was sitting with but was quickly reminded of when she looked at him like he was stupid. She raised an eyebrow and scowled at him. “Force of habit?” She asked but he didn’t answer, only took a sip of his coffee. She already knew the answer what was the point of answering? 
Bruce leaned forward, the girl in front of him was playing with her napkin, it wasn’t anything that he found strange or weird. She had done that ever since he had first met her when Vic had brought her into the vigilante life for the first time. 
“You know, I could never truly figure out why you never held eye contact with me,” he said. 
The woman shrugged, keeping the napkin in one hand and grabbing her coffee cup in the other. “Shows too much and you’re a detective, you know this,” she said plainly, not noticing that Bruce had caught onto her leg twitch. Either a simple tick or nervousness, he was willing on betting that it was one of nerves. 
You see, Vic and Y/N work the same way or at least thought the same way. They both depend on facts, and play the long game sometimes to get them but when they talk it's facts, not fiction. But despite all of that, both know how to keep it all to themselves. I had thought about breaking into her hotel room, she would most likely have a folder with her information about Jason or documents that would tell me everything that I needed to know but the possibility of me understanding them would be low. 
So I had to play the long game with her, she would see the trap and get out. She would dodge every single possible answer that would lead to her being backed into a corner but I knew that if I got a simple glimpse of her eyes, if she caught my eyes, then the truth would come out. 
Though it seemed that she was planning on telling me anyways or small tidbits. 
“He doesn’t hate you,” she said, stirring her almost cold coffee with her spoon, taking another sugar packet, and dumping it in. Y/N had always hated coffee but drank it anyway to help her stay awake at night so a lot of sugar helped to calm down the bitterness of the coffee. 
Jason would be angry at her, for letting him know that his suspicions were correct but he was already so close to the truth that no matter how this night ended or how this conversation ended, he would leave with answers. 
“What?” He asked, his face was one of confusion but she could see that he understood. He understood what she was saying but he wouldn’t understand his actions. 
She brought the coffee up to her lips and took a sip of the sweet but still lingering bitter coffee. “When he lets you find him and trust me he will, keep this in mind.” She set down the cup and leaned forward, grabbing his hands to make sure that he fully listened. “He’s angry with–with everyone. Himself, you, Joker.” She looked down and sighed before looking him in the eyes for the first time that night. “Me. He’s angry but you need to understand that deep down, he still loves you. He still cares no matter how much he wishes otherwise and he just wants you to understand and wants to understand himself.” 
She let go of his hands and grabbed her wallet out of her bag, placing down enough to cover her coffee, knowing that Bruce would prefer to pay for his own. She slid out of the booth but as she slung her purse over her head she told him one last thing. 
“Bruce I want you to promise me something,” she said, looking at the plain beige wall of the cafe. 
“Yes?”
“Don’t let Joker win.” And with that, she left. 
When she left I realized something, while Y/N had known where he was, and what he was planning she had never stopped him. She had never made him stop his plans or his path of revenge. She didn’t feel like it was her place, she didn’t feel like it was her place to say anything about it. 
It was mine, my mistake, my fault, and my responsibility.
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professor-doc-emeritus · 11 months
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so I know after watchmen came out there was then a massive slew of other "deconstructions" or "genre critical" comics or just plain edgy stuff. i know you generally prefer the more optimist played straight stuff, but is there anything of that sort of thing that you really like?
There's a couple of directions you can go with this ask, so I'll give you an answer for each
if you're just looking for my personal favorite meta take on superheroes, you wanna check out flex mentallo
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a fictional superhero imagined by a dying kid brought to life, this mini series by Morrison follows Flex's quest to solve the mystery of the death of his fellow fictional superhero The Fact. Morrison is one of the greatest comics writer alive, and this is their definitive statement on the genre, a deep and intimate look at how the platonic superheros of your childhood deal with a world of death, sex, and suicide. Dark, funny, meta, and mercifully short, if you read nothing else I recommend you read this. You'll finish it in an hour and think about it for the rest of your life.
If you want something less so meta and more so just a really well written and gritty 80s comic, check out denny o'neil and deny's cowan's run on The Question
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This run follows the physical, psychological, and spiritual journey of journalist and vigilante Vic Sage as he struggles to bring justice to the deeply corrupt Hub City. It features a much more zen and spiritual take on the classic ditko character, and has a lot of great appearances from some underappreciated members of DC's stable. This run in particular is a must read for fans of Watchmen imo. It features the character that inspired Rorsarch, and actually has a few tongue in cheek references to him during the run. More than anything though, you should read it because it understands something most of Watchmen's successors didn't: Watchmen wasn't great because it was dark and gritty, it was great because it was a smartly written story with something interesting to say, and so is this run. If you've got some pocket change to spare, pick up the omnibuses that released last year. They published the absolutely essential letters columns that most digital uploads of the run neglect, wherein denny hosts a mini book club about the literature that inspired the run.
If you want a meta superhero story that's actually about watchmen, check out 2019's Peter Cannon Thunderbolt
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Peter Cannon was a Charelston character that never really found a home. A medical man and captain of industry imbued with ancient tribal knowledge that gives him the powers of the supernatural, he served as the inspiration for Ozymandias. This story is explicitly and unsubtly addressing and rebuking Watchmen: the core conceit of the story is the original peter cannon confronting a universe-hopping ozymandias (for legal reasons her another Peter Cannon) constantly re-enacting his final plan from Watchmen on different universes until it works. Though not as much a visual force compared to the others on this list, what it lacks in raw technical skill it more than makes up for in creativity and enthusiasm. In order to rebuke a work you have to understand it, and ironically this explicit refutation of Watchmen still understands and respects it better than most of it's direct heirs by being about something. Though at times a bit too meta for it's own good, if you care about comics this is one you absolutely have to read
If you just want to kick back and watch Alan Moore twist the nipples off the genre in another work, I highly recommend checking out his work on superman
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everyone and their mom has read, or at least been recommended, For the Man Who Has Everything and Whatever Happened to the Man of Tomorrow?, but not as many people know about Moore's third (and my personal favorite) outing with the man of steel: DC Comics Presents #85. A short team up (in the loosest sense of the word) between Superman and Swamp Thing, this story more than any other strips away the layers of myth and baggage around superman and exposes the raw psychological core beneath it. Very short, very simple, and probably not as good as his mircaleman run, but i have the benefit of having read this one so I can actually vouch for it's quality.
Finally, as you mentioned earlier, I tend to like reading more straightforward and optimistic stuff, especially when it comes to my capeshit. While some of the stories I've recommended here get quite dark, nothing really reaches the point of being 'edgy.' I haven't read, and thus can't recommend, the primo edgy content such as Preacher or The Authority (though I've heard good things!). But there is one mindlessly dark and edgy comic that I just can't help loving to death: the ever classic Marvel zombies
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A beautiful example of a story that is exactly what it says on the tin: The marvel universe overrun by zombies. The only really original part of its take on the zombies is also the thing that makes it so much damn fun: they're all still intelligent, and basically themselves from before they turned, just with an insatiable and uncontrollable hunger for flesh. Gorey art, pitch black humor, and a lot of genuinely interesting and compelling story arcs you really couldn't do anywhere else, there's been about a trillion followups to it but I still love the original the best. It's not smart, it's not meta, it's not even a particularly good zombie apocalypse story, but it's fun, dammit, and that's a fair bit more than what most of the drivel that passes for good literature these days can say. best read when you're 12 years old and up way past your bedtime
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clay-cuttlefish · 7 months
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We're getting back into the good shit now. Vic's back in action, Renee is written by Greg Rucka for the first time, Helena and Vic meet, Blue Beetle is here...
Azrael Plus The Question
Vic's been playing poker. Lots of opportunities to wander around and get into trouble while keeping him retired from heroing and from journalism, it works for him.
Oops All Daddy Issues.
I like how low key this is, despite everything. Vic and Jean-Paul are weird dudes with a lot of problems and that's on full display.
Green Lantern #81
Another cameo that's only notable because I have no clue why Vic would be here. He has literally never met Hal Jordan, how did he get an invite. He's even standing off to the back instead of sitting with everyone else.
The Question Returns
The river emissary is conceptually a lot better than any of the other supernatural takes on the Question. The idea that Vic's death in the river would make his conscience literally haunt him is interesting, and it being questionably supernatural is more to my taste. Making the river a magical harmonica-playing old black man was not a great choice though.
Vic describing Tot as "an ex-father figure" makes me want to implode.
"these auditory hallucinations are getting on my nerves" BIG mood.
Vic is a mess. He can't go home, he can't stay away, he's shifted from Vic Sage the hard-hitting journalist to Vic Sage the laid-back poker player but he hasn't been able to change the Question. This is why he takes up so much space in my brain.
Even after he left he still held on to his love for Myra and Hub City, and this is where he can't do it anymore. He will never see her again. Godddddddd.
Steel #38
I hadn't read this one before, and I'm glad I'm reading it now, because it's great. I gotta get into Steel eventually.
Vic declares himself teammates with John and then immediately splits up and gets his shit wrecked. Maybe let the guy with power armor protect you next time.
This wandering gambler era is fun, I wish it had lasted a little longer. There are so many interesting places Vic could pop up with poker incidents as an excuse, it's the perfect way to keep him around without him having anything specific going on.
A World for Burning (Tec #714-715)
Calling her a supporting character is maybe a stretch but she gets to talk to Martian Manhunter so I'm counting it.
A fun little mystery story.
Cataclysm
Vic interlude is over, time for events.
I like Cataclysm quite a bit. It's heavy on the cop shit and some of the issues are just not good, but I think the earthquake makes for a better citywide event than any of the "oh no it's the Joker" ones, and everyone involved really gets to shine.
Once again I am forced to admit I like when Cluemaster shows up. Steph saving her dad from Helena despite everything is a strong moment.
Random Encounters (Batman Chronicles #14)
OH NO. Ohhhh no. Strap in folks it's time for her to become a main character.
Renee talks to her brother about his guilt over killing when he was in the Navy, and she uses Two-Face's coin to make her point about randomness and how right and wrong aren't simple, which. Hhhhh.
Apparently she shot a guy who was trying to kill Two-Face, and got the coin in return.
Sorry but Renee flipping the coin and making decisions based on the outcome fucking annihilates me and I cannot BELIEVE I hadn't read this before now.
This isn't even a comic it's a short story. Eight pages of Rucka setting up the dominoes.
An Answer in the Rubble (Batman Chronicles #15)
VIC AND HELENA BABYYYY
Self-recognition through the other (annoying)
His anime hair???
I love them so much.
Road to No Man's Land
Sorry but the Bruce Wayne political drama is ridiculous even by my standards. Gotham would be the second-largest city in the US today, or one of the top 5 if the "7 million" is the city and surrounding area, you cannot tell me it would get totally cut off. Screwed by inadequate relief? Sure. Wiped off the map? Lol no.
Okay fine it's the devil. The devil did it. Comic books.
L.A.W.
We've been in Gotham long enough, time to go do Some Bullshit!
This is in continuity, but it ignores all of Vic's canon post-Charlton - he's a newscaster working with Nora from the Ditko run, Hub City is Ted's home city but not his, he's characterized pretty much how he was in Charlton and those few Blue Beetle crossovers post-Crisis... the other heroes seem a little more up-to-date but they're all still kind of janky.
Wow this does not do a good job making me care about any of these characters.
The plot is mostly racist and/or nonsense and most of it bounced right off my brain despite repeated readings.
Honestly I'm here for Ted more than Vic. He's going through it.
I do like the framing device of Vic writing his report in the final issue. The real treasure was the friends we made along the way.
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fungi-maestro · 2 years
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Cover and inner cover art for The Question: The Deaths of Vic Sage (2019)
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calciumcryptid · 9 months
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Earth-64 | Brief List of the Bat Cauldron
Important Note: The following post consists of a listing of the Bat Cauldron how they are on Earth-64, a fan-made alternate Earth of the DC universe personally made by me.
THE WAYNE FAMILY
Bruce Wayne - Batman I
Selina Kyle - Catwoman I
Talia al'Ghul - Demoness
Dick Grayson - Robin I, Nightingale
Jason Todd - Robin II, Red Hood II, Redkite
Duke Thomas - Signal, Lark
Tim Drake - Stray, Robin III, Golden Aix
Cassandra Brown-Wayne: Orphan, Batgirl II, Black Bat, Batman II
Stephanie Brown-Wayne: Spoiler, Robin IV, Batgirl III, Starling
Damian Wayne-Wilkes: Robin V, Vireo
Collin Wilkes: Abuse, Sparrowhawk
Helena Sage-Wayne: Huntress
Victor 'Vic' Sage: Question II
Terry Wayne: Batmite
Athanasia Wayne: Hellhound
THE KANE FAMILY
Kate Kane - Batwoman I, Vampire Bat
Renee Montoya - Question I
Bette Kane - Goshawk
THE GORDON FAMILY
Jim Gordon - Commissioner Gordon
Barbara Gordon - Batgirl I, Oracle
Alysia Gordon - Honorary Batgirl
THE FOX FAMILY
Lucius Fox
Tanya Fox
Jace Fox - Flying Fox
Luke Fox - Honorary Batman, Batwing II
Tamara Fox - Lady Fox
Tiffany Fox - Batgirl IV (Retired)
THE EXTENDED BAT CAULDRON
Harleen Quinzel: Harley Quinn
Minhkhoa "Khoa" Khan: Ghost-Maker
David Zavimbe: Honorary Batman, Batwing I
Jean-Paul Valley: Honorary Batman, Azrael
Basil Karlo: Clayface (Retired)
Harper Row: Bluebird
Colin Row: Carrier, Oracle II
Mia Mizoguchi: Maps
Carrie Kelly: Robin VI, Oriole
Nell Little: Batgirl V
Claire Clover: Lady Gotham (Retired)
Hank Clover: Gotham (Deceased)
Onyx Adams: Onyx
THE NOTES
All characters listed have been canon characters in one way or another. Not all characters work primarily in Gotham, but have worked there at some point in time. This is to be updated as there are more characters to be added.
In the early years, the Bat Cauldron was fairly isolated from the other masks, which was one of the primary reasons Dick left Bruce. Despite starting the Titans, Dick was not told of the Nightwing and Flamebird story so when deciding a new identity Dick became Nightingale instead of Nightwing. Superman is still his favorite hero though.
The Robin and Batgirl mantles must be passed down from the previous Robin and Batgirl.
Due to the early death of the Joker, Duke Thomas' acquisition happened earlier than the comics. In the same vein, Jason's Red Hood era was a brief period in his life and he rejoins the Bat Cauldron as Redkite.
Due to Jason's death, Bruce refused to give Tim the mantle of Robin so Catwoman took him in as her first sidekick where he served as Stray. When Jason returned, he passed the Robin mantle to Tim who accepted it. Tim's time as Stray made him a bit more flirty than his canon counterpart, and he realized he was bi sooner.
Along with the tech Robin, Tim is known as the water Robin due to being unafraid to get into the toxic Gotham water. This contributed to his alias of Golden Aix, and Arthur Curry often jokes that Bruce stole an Atlantean.
Stephanie was active before Cassandra, but Cassandra was Batgirl before Stephanie. Cass passed her the Batgirl title because Cass was heading on a mission in Tokyo and it would be weird if Batgirl showed up there. That period of time made them realize their feelings for each other, and the first thing Cass did when she returned was confess her feelings.
In this universe, Bette Kane is the adopted daughter of Kate Kane and Renee Montoya.
Colin Row worked as a messenger for Oracle, and later becomes the second Oracle.
Carrie Kelly and Tiffany Fox were the first Robin and Batgirl under Cassandra's time as Batman. Tiffany would later give the mantle to Nell Little.
Terry is not the second Batman because I don't personally like the Batmam Beyond storyline, but he is still a hero under his big sister Cass!
I have some characters marked as Honorary Batmans because if I try to make some sense of that timeline my head will explode.
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Fic Recs! DC:
Fandoms: Justice League & Justice League Unlimited, Young Justice, The Flash (Comics) (note: this section is combined with Halbarry fics), Miscellaneous 
Key: 
Character/Character = Romantic Relationship
character & Character = Platonic Relationship
MCD = major character death 
GDOV = graphic depiction of violence 
Fics under cut
Young Justice: 
“In Case of Emergency” by Deranged Black Kitten - Fanfic.net, one-shot (though its really long), Roy Harper & Dick Grayson & Wally West, teen and up audiences.
It had started as a joke, contingency plans made for various hypothetical circumstances, but then the world falls under mind-control, their mentors turning against them, and those rules made up in jest become something to survive by.
“A Flashlight to See in the Dark” by Kazyre - Ao3, 21/? chapters, unfinished, Hal Jordan / Barry Allen.
When Iris dies suddenly, leaving Barry to raise their three-year-old nephew by himself, Hal Jordan steps up to help out his best friend. Years pass, friendship grows into something much more, and somehow the three of them become a family. Story will span Wally's life from age three all the way to the formation of the Team - will be mostly humor and fluff.
Justice League & Justice League Unlimited:
“Remembering normal” by SmallInsect - Fanfic.net, one-shot, Wally West & John Stewart, Teen And Up Audiences.
“Batman’s satellite cameras had clocked the Flash at an average of four point five six seconds per cycle. Four point five six seconds. To circumnavigate the entire globe. John can see why everyone freaked.” [Oneshot, spoilers for “Divided We Fall”].
“Conspiracies” by SmallInsect - Fanfic.net, one-shot, Wally West & Don Hall, Wally West & Vic Sage, general audience.
There’s a new rule in the League that The Question and Flash aren’t allowed to be alone together on the same mission. Post "Divided We Fall". Oneshot. Flash, Question, Dove.
“Mask” by SmallInsect - Fanfic.net, one-shot, Shayera Hol, general audience.
Her real name is Shayera Hol. That much is true, at least
“Keeping Your Appointments” by incense-whiskers - Fanfic.net, one-shot, Bruce Wayne & Wally West, MCD (non-graphic and doesn’t happen within the story), general audience.
bruce wayne is known for his impeccable sense of timing. death, however, runs by his own clock/on anniversaries
“Pretzels, trust and evil twins” by incense-whiskers - Fanfic.net, one-shot, Bruce Wayne & Wally west, drabble, general audience.
flash is impulsive and lively, it's his nature. it's not something batman holds against him, rather, it is something he tries to protect./drabble, relationship study via Crisis on Two Earths.
“Homework” by onlyanorthernsong - Fanfic.net, one-shot, Wally West & John Stewart, Wally West & Bruce Wayne, general audience.
Wally has homework due tomorrow. He, Gl, and Bats are on monitoring duty. Oneshot.
“Angle Of Death” by xffan-2000 - Fanfic.net, one-shot, Shayera & The League, general audiences. 
A drabble series. It's an unspoken truth that Shayera is the resident killer in the League...
“Atomic Time” by Constance Eilonwy - Fanfic.net, one shot, Wally West & Bruce Wayne, Wally West & The League, general audiences.
Bruce is only thinking of the good of the team. Really.
“A Hero’s Heart” by Everhere - Fanfic.net, one-shot, Wally West & Shayera Hol, CW: Alzheimer Disease, general audiences.
Years in the future, Wally has contracted Alzheimer's Disease, and the only person he still remembers is Shayera.
“These Small Hours (Still Remain)” by CluelessKitten - Ao3, two chapters, completed, J’onn J’onzz & Wally West, Diana Prince & Wally West, general audiences. 
"Do I want to know?" Diana asked.
And Superman, who could hear more clearly than the rest of them, shook his head. "Nope."
Behind her, J'onn said, probably to Flash, "I do not understand why we had to do this in front of a burning warehouse."
“Sharing Food is a Human Friendship Ritual” by those_painted_wings - Ao3, one-shot, J’onn J’onzz & Wally West, general audiences. 
After the events of the Justice League animated episode Warworld, Flash notices J’onn being even more reserved than usual.
“Snapshot Collection” by Belphegor - Ao3, 8/12 chapters, on-going, Linda Park / Wally West, The League, general audiences.
Snapshot: 1. A photograph, especially one taken quickly or in a sudden moment of opportunity. 2. A glimpse of something; a portrayal of something at a moment in time.
08 - When Batman hears that a member of Flash’s “Rogue Gallery” was killed, he shows up in Central to check on the kid.
“Walking on the Moon” by Belphegor - Ao3, one-shot, James Jesse & Wally West, CW: mental health issues, teen and up audiences. 
The Trickster was sitting on the top of a building, thinking of trying out his air-walker shoes for the first time. And then the Flash stopped by for a chat.
(reposting from FFnet)
“Wife” by Belphegor - Ao3, one-shot, The Rogues & Wally West, Wally West & Snart’s Wife, general audiences. 
Sure, being the wife of a supervillain was supposed to have perks, but having his colleagues show up on your doorstep with grim faces and bad news was not one of them. When the Flash - of all people - did, it was a nasty surprise. DCAU Rogues.
(reposting from FFnet)
“Territorial” by KingWatney - Ao3, one-shot, The Rogues, general audiences. 
When Flash is away, the Rogues step up to defend Central City. Because we can't have a bunch of outsiders wrecking the shopping mall, can we?
“You Ain’t Nothing But Gone” by Thistlerose - Ao3, one-shot, Shayera Hol / John Stewart, John Stewart & Wally West, general audiences.
Set during Part 2 of "Starcrossed." Wally tries to reach out to Green Lantern.
“Practice” by Tomboy13 - fanfic.net, nine chapters, completed, Wally West & Kara Danvers & Don Hall, teen and up audiences.
First JLU fic. A mistake puts Flash's life on the line. Now the others must make things right, before Cadmus gets a hold of him. NEW CHAPTER UP!
“Onions and Cakes” by Alba Aulbath - fanfic.net, five chapters, completed, Wally West & Vic Sage, Wally West & J’onn j’onzz, teen and up audiences.  
When the League grew in size after the Thanagar invasion, the Flash took a temporary leave. Which might prove to be a mistake if the Question has anything to say about it.
“Gut Feeling” by Super Chocolate Bear - Fanfic.net, ten chapters, completed, Wally West & Carter Hall, Wally West & Shayera Hol, Wally West & John Stewart, Wally West & Bruce Wayne, Shayera Hol / John Stewart, Teen and up audiences.
Dark events start unfolding in Central City, and Flash is the prime suspect. Just how far will blind faith and friendship go?
“Ouch” by Onlyanorthernsong - fanfic.net, four chapters, completed, Wally West & The League, Wally West & Lex Luthor, Wally West & Shayera Hol, Wally Wst & John Stewart, Wally West & Bruce Wayne, Shayera Hol / John Stewart, general audiences. 
He gave a sharp, uneasy sigh. "I don't know who I am, but apparently, I hang out covered in blood in tight spaces with a mask on. What kind of a freak am I, seriously!"
“Perceptions of non gods” by SmallInsect - fanfic.net, JLU cast, MCD, GDOV (?), Justice Lords Universe, general audiences. 
A year after the death of President Luthor, revolution rises against the Justice Lords. [A oneshot of many ficlets. Set in the Lords Universe. Spoilers for A Better World.]
The Flash (comics) / Halbarry: 
“Radio Free Keystone” by Liviapenn - Ao3, one-shot, Hartely Rathaway & Barry Allen, Hartley Rathaway / Earl Povich, MCD, teen and up audiences. 
When Superman died, it happened on Main Street in Metropolis, live and in color, from five different angles, on five hundred different channels. There was nothing like that for the Flash. He just... disappeared.
“Rewind, Press Play” by TheObsidianSun12 - Ao3, four chapters, completed, Barry Allen & Hal Jordan, Barry Allen & Jay Garrick, Barry Allen & The League, teen and up audiences.
The Justice League. Protectors of Earth, they have beat back invasion after invasion without fail. Even the mighty Darkseid, Lord of Apokolips, fell to them on their first attempt. How, you may ask? Well, all it takes is one speedster to turn back the clock and transform a devastating loss into a victory. But while the rest of the League isn’t aware of their world-ending defeats, the Flash remembers each and every one in vivid detail. He may be the fastest man alive, but there are some things even he can’t outrun.
“with shortness of breath (you explained the infinite)” by LostOnMyRoad - Ao3, 1/2 chapters, unfinished (on-going?), Barry Allen & The Justice League, Barry Allen & Leonard Snart, general audiences.
“Daydreaming, Flash?” someone asks. He turns to see Superman watching him intently. The man may be built like a Greek God, but he’s got an inside like marshmallows. He smiles, shaking his head. “Just thinking,” he grins. The shadow of the Speed-Force wavers in the corner of his vision. “Think we could convince Bats to get us an official Justice League minivan?”
Superman sighs. “I suppose you’re calling shotgun?”
Barry grins.
Or,
Barry struggles to come to terms with the fact that he’s going to effectively disappear while simultaneously trying not to let anyone know about said disappearance.
(It starts, like it often does, with the dreams.
Fire and heat, over and over again every night until Barry starts taking a bottle of sleeping pills before going to bed, in the hopes of staving off the visions for a few seconds, maybe a minute, when he’s sleeping.
The Speedforce has always been rather volatile, but never like this.)
“Acrophobia” by Orphan_Account - Ao3, one-shot, Barry Allen / Hal Jordan, Teen and up audiences. 
Barry becomes a blue lantern, and Hal is thrilled at the fact that they can fly together. But Barry's been avoiding doing just that, and Hal wants to know why.
“fooled around and fell in love” by finalfrontierpioneer - Ao3, one-shot, Barry Allen / Hal Jordan, Teen and up audiences. 
The first time is an accident. The other times after that? Not at all accidental.
Or: Hal starts calling Barry pet names and finds that he doesn't actually want to stop.
Or: Instead of revealing Barry's civilian identity to Batman and Superman, Hal calls him "babe." And then proceeds to call him a lot of other things.
“I died a sinner, you died a saint (a look from you and i would fall from grace)” by DynamicDuo (XylB) - Ao3, one-shot, Barry Allen / Halbarry, teen and up audiences. 
Will-they-won't-they-should-they-shouldn't-they, could-they-would-they-will-they, the five times Hal and Barry almost and the one time they did.
It goes like this: Hal can't stop looking in broken mirrors, and Barry can't stop with the what-ifs, and together they can overcome death but somehow intimacy draws them up short.
(5+1 fic!)
“Yellow Butterflies” by ChocolateTeapots - ao3, one-shot, Barry Allen / Hal Jordan, Hal Jordan & Thaal Sinestro, teen and up audiences.
Much as Hal doesn’t want to admit it, Sinestro’s right. Barry does represent Hal’s fears, though not in the way Sinestro means.
From his smile, Sinestro’s unconcerned with the distinction.
“I Second That Emotion” by CapedCommissioner (smittenbritain) - Ao3, one-shot, Barry Allen / Hal Jordan, teen and up audiences. 
Hal’s report is simple. The Guardians tried to make some upgrades to the Central Power Battery, and they went awry. All Green Lanterns are, currently, at the mercy of their emotions - ones that are, in fact, amplified by that fuck-up with the Power Battery, and perfectly visible through the rings.
Barry decides to keep him company while he's under lockdown, and Hal's ring decides to force his heart onto his sleeve.
“Five Times Hal Complains and One He Shuts The Hell Up” - ChocolateTeapots - ao3, 9 chapters, completed, Hal Jordan / Barry Allen, Hal Jordan & Oliver Queen, Hal Jordan & Bruce Wayne, Hal Jordan & Dinah Lance, Dinah Lance / Oliver Queen, teen and up audiences. 
The world’s ridiculous, and Hal’s going to tell Barry all about it. Oh, and hopefully they'll get together at some point.
It’s not like Hal really has a plan, but that's never stopped him before. Let the whining and dining commence!
Miscellaneous:
“Split” by Wolfsbanesparks - Ao3, 43/50 chapters, on-going, Billy Batson & Captain Marvel, Billy Batson & The League, Billy Batson & Damian Wayne & Jon Kent, Captain Marvel & The League, teen and up audiences. 
After a fight with Black Adam goes horribly wrong, Billy Batson and Captain Marvel are forced to navigate the world as two beings instead of one. But such a separation comes at a cost and they must race against the clock to fix what's happened to them before it's too late.
Unfortunately the Justice League is all too eager to help their trusted colleague and his 'son'.
“Small Favors” by susiecarter - Ao3, one-shot, Bruce Wayne / Clark Kent, teen and up audiences. 
Bruce doesn't exactly intend to start doing nice things for Clark. But once he has, he can't stop—and maybe Clark doesn't want him to try.
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No. 5: “You better pray I don’t get up this time around.”
Debris | Pinned Down | “It’s broken.”
This should have been about Finn and little Elijah in a storm but LadyElijah plot bunny attacked and Matt Donavon suffers as female!Elijah doesn’t take Finn’s and Sage’s death as lightly as Canon.
Warning for mutilation.
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“It’s broken.” she said flatly.
He wanted to yell back ‘of course it was’ since she had snapped it but breathing through the pain was more important, he wasn’t going to let one of the original monsters see him cry.
He had been by himself when a force had no chance against, grabbed him, he should have stayed with Elena and the vampires but how was he meant to know they weren’t still linked. They should all be dead, it should be over.
Matt choked, as the hand that had just snapped his forearm like a twig without issue moved further down, thin fingers almost gentle as they encircled his wrist before twisting.
His scream covered the sound of more bones breaking.
“Why are you doing this?” he asks, he’d blame the pain for the stupidity of that question.
“My brother, Mr. Donovan.” she answered but her stare was cold, unemotional, almost bored that Matt laughed, like the monster cared.
“Didn’t think you’d care.” he managed to spit back, refusing to let the throbbing of his arm or her frighten him, her hand was heavy on his chest keeping him pinned to the wall with ease, despite the fact she was Elena’s size, it was like trying to push back against a truck.
“Now Matthew” the words were soft, almost cloying. The hand holding his limp swelling wrist moved to hold his hand, and Matt hissed at the pain the movement brought.
“You swore to Elena.” he managed to get out.
“I don’t think words matter after your attempt to kill me.” she raised an eyebrow looking like the front page of a business magazine, in her expensive suit not a hair out of place.
“You're fine.”
“And this hand is the one that killed my brother.” She lifted the hand up to his eyeline, forcing choked noises of pain out of Matt with every inch. Then she tightened her grip and he got to watch as his hand was crushed.
He howled, pointless struggling against the hand that pinned him to the wall.
“You should understand this, you had an older sister didn’t you?” the words managed to reawaken his anger giving him a reprieve from the pain, Vicki would still be alive if the Mikealsons had never existed.
“Don’t mention Vic-” he cut off as he screamed again when she bent his thumb back until it broke and he saw bone rip through flesh, he pulled his eyes away back to her face and for a second saw a flicker of something beyond the boredom.
Pain, a pain he was familiar with. Before he could remind himself that this was a monster she did it herself by moving onto the other fingers, his world whited out and ringing filled his ears only broken faint words and breaking bones.
“Centuries and you mere-” a brief burst of anger before he heard her take an unneeded breath and sighed “he’s gone.” 
The words hung in the silence other than his pained whimpers. 
“Just kill me get it over with.” he managed to croak out, his throat raw from his screams and he ignored the hot feeling of tears on his cheeks he could feel that he didn’t remember shedding.
She smiled, and Matt froze.
“No.” the word was almost amused and Matt felt his fear grow stronger. “I have to live with the fact he’s gone, you can learn to live without something as well.” and her hand traced back up his arm to his elbow alighting a trail of fire like pain where it touched before it’s grip tightened and pulled.
Pain consumed him and he came back to himself standing in front of bright doors, it took him a moment to realise he was at the hospital, he went to look for Elijah but the agony of his arm stopped him forcing him to look down at his hand.
Where his hand was meant to be.
Instead he found an empty bloody sleeve.
He screamed.
“I'm here for Sage.” Elijah called from the doorway, one hand behind her back looking as if she was simply here to collect her for another ball.
“She’s-” Damon started to explain.
“I know.” Elijah interrupted
“You know, like the whole sireline dying thing and didn’t-” Caroline started to rant but was cut off.
“You're all alive.” She explains with a shrug, “After killing Finn, even the three of you wouldn't have been able to best Sage, not when she can hold her own against my worst.” Damon had a chill creep up his spine at the loose way normally uptight Elijah moved, and the unspoken reminder that they wouldn’t stand a chance against her, he ignored both those warnings to ready a taunt when she continued.
“She should rest besides her husband.” She gave each of them a look, ending to stare at Damon. “It's the least you can do.”
Stefan had also notice of off way Elijah stood and thought better than to test a clearly off Original, nodded and moved away to wrap Sage’s body in the rug.
“Elijah we-” Elena started.
“We have the stakes we can send you after them.” Damon threatened, brushing off the shard of guilt he felt at the accusation, as he was fully aware of Sage’s love for Finn.
“Please do. Try.” an uncharacteristic smile spread across the normally restrained Elijah, suddenly reminding them all that she was Klaus’s sister, and Damon had the memory of how easily she had taken control every time she had wanted during their little trysts, the contained power he knew she held back to keep the pretence of a mortal.
Stefan froze as he got closer to Elijah, his arms full as he carried the rug to her.
“Why do you smell of Matt’s blood?” he asked, slight horror in his tone.
“Oh! you may want to return this.” Elijah smirked as she brought the hand she had behind her back forward revealing a bloody sleeve cuff and threw what it was holding at Elena,.
Damon moved in front of Elena, catching the object first but it was Caroline who realised what it first and screamed, as Damon stared at the bloodied flesh.
A mutilated hand with half the arm still attached.
Elena covered her mouth as she gagged and Caroline threw herself at Elijah with a cry of rage, before anyone could stop her.
“Caroline, wait!” Stefan shouted but it was too late and Caroline froze in front of Elijah in a way that spoke of a hand in her chest around her heart.
“Elijah wait, please-” Elena begged but Elijah once again ignored her.
“I could tear it out,” the voice was quiet but still the tone was pleasant, as if it was commenting on the weather “gift it to Klaus.”
“Your word-” Elena tried and Elijah laughed.
“Matt tried the same thing. Tell me Elena, if it was Jeremy, what would you do?” she asked “or doesn’t it matter when it’s not your family.” Damon moved to keep Elena behind him, true anger was breaking past Elijah's normally impassive mask. 
“Let her go.” Stefan demanded, Elijah raised a brow as she looked at him, “Please.” he added.
Caroline stumbled back as she was released, and Stefan handed Elijah the rug and stepped in front of Caroline as her knees hit the floor. 
“Where is he?” she coughed, her hand clutching her chest and she glared up at the now oldest Original sibling.
“I left him at the doors of the hospital,” she told them, shifting the weight of Sage’s body. “I'd hurry, it's a marvel what modern medicine can do, but there's a time limit.” and with that she vanished.
“It’s broken.” she said flatly as she allowed her mask to drop and she placed Sage besides Finn’s remains in the hole she had dug.
“It’s broken.” Her family, again, like with Freya’s, then Henrik’s deaths.
“It’s broken.” and with it any chance she and Finn could fix the mess their relationship was since her birth, they had a ten centuries but maybe it could've been different this time.
“It’s broken.” Finn’s sireline and every child he and Sage had taken in, raised and turned over the centuries, nieces and nephews her siblings would never meet and she was left alone to mourn them.
“It’s broken.” she repeated until her voice broke with a sob.
Elijah Mikealson, the noble one, the monster in a nice suit, vanished as dirt stained the knees of her pants and Eylaug the little girl, long dead, that once followed her brother around with wide eyes, resurfaced to grieve.
“Finnbjǫrn, wait up.”
“It’s broken.”
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