There's one thing that literally wromg on screen and it's very obvious, like there's no justifying at all but of course they trying justify it and it make showrunner look stupid and cruel
It's even mobius and loki first time in theater room and well it's lead mobius saying na d blame loki for frigga dead and say loki existence is nothing but for step stone
That is literally cruel and torture and showrunner specially Waldron had nerve calling it 'therapy ' and make loki 'look into mirrors' to realize his sins and mistake (loki literally know and understand his sins and mistake, he no need anyone and everyone rubbing it on his face). Seriously season 1 scenes it's filled with stupid and cruel scenes
Seriously what the f&*- wrong with Waldron, I know he didn't watching previous films but seriously? Every single his 'writing ' literally bad, boring and stupid. Waldron make joss wedon and Russo brothers look like the best writers and prosucers in world
Loki literally know and understand his sins and mistake
And the thing Loki does understand he did wrong. You see it on his face when the reality of the situation hits him.
So, here's the problem with Waldron entire premise. Everything about the show says he has no choice that he'll be killed along with his entire timeline if he choses to do good but then still places all the blame on him for doing wrong.
Mobius judgment and shaming is really twisted when you think about it because from Mobius perspective, what he fully and unquestionably believes is Loki is just acting out what is written for him. It's not his fault it's the timekeepers intent for things to happen that way. Either Loki has free will and could have choice differently or he has no free will and no one has the right to judge him.
Loki didn't kill Frigga, not just in the way others have explain there is no way take the stairs to the left where enough to lead the monster to the room place and Malakath already was there. But in the way this Loki never got to the point and with the tesseract, that moment probably never would have happened. The TVA killed Frigga, this version of Loki who onscreen family and home is gone because of the TVA.
Loki doesn't admit wrong because he doesn't want to buckle to Odin, someone who has done worse and refuses to admit wrong himself. It is a personal conflict at that point and Loki has never been confronted by someone he has wrong in a significant way.
Thor, Volstagg and Sif threaten to kill him, he doesn't object or defend himself. He gets it. Jane punches him, he's more amused. Again, no excuse to people he's wrong in some way, Loki accepts that hate. The family stuff is a conflict because his family also screwed up and he refuse to be the only one who admit wrong.
Peter lost his uncle because of his inaction. Tony suffered torture and say his own weapons used against the US and civilians. These are both inciting moments for them to be heroes, but it's not therapy and the people doing these things are the villains.
Again, what sense does it really make? Mobius: Hey, you're an evil loser only good for causing harm. Now help up catch a someone so we can go on unimpeded annihilating universes and killing people. It's not therapy it is in every way cult indoctrination because all it does is tear Loki down and say the only path forward is obeying the system that isolated him.
Like, Raganrok wasn't a particular good redemption arc either but what it shows is Loki doesn't need this. He doesn't have to have his mother death shown to him and collared and beaten to change. There can be other paths for him to be a hero. True, either is through torture and shame but TR at least it was about saving live and that was it. He saved Asgard he accepted Thor as king no objection. So, yeah, wasn't necessary for Loki to change he was always capable of saving lives and giving his to protect his loved ones
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me: Hey, hey, hey, what if Loki is just Odin's not-a-king-sona that he then uses to drive Ragnarok forwards?
@browncoatparadox: 👀
me: there are just a lot of similarities? They're both tricksters and both magic users though magic was like a not so common thing. I think it was a combination of posts by @incorrectnorse-quotes yesterday that made me think of it - the one about Loki saying "if using magic is feminine then why do you use magic odin" and the "young adventurer: you're odin!/Loki,disguised as odin, disguised as an old man: you got me/Odin,disguised as a young adventurer for 4-d chess level reasons: I knew it!"
@browncoatparadox: 😆
me: And then also the whole my brother my enemy song and Hell/Balder's song where it's like Ragnarok seems a little like it's mostly happening because of Odin and Loki? And Odin was like I see the future? And if it wasn't for their fight Raganrok wouldn't happen? And Loki always being on Thor's quests with Odin's son? I don't know.
@browncoatparadox: Hmmmmm
me:
Odin: It's hard to be a king? Why can't I be a normal person without all this stress, and go with my son on his quests?
Odin: I know! I'll disguise myself! As my brother! No one will question my brother!
Odin: A fool proof plan!
@browncoatparadox: 😆 Odin alternately using his Lokisona to either goof off or kickstart the apocalypse seems... somehow appropriate
me: And re:him killing Balder, by that point he'd already imprisoned a bunch of his other kids on the Loki side.
@browncoatparadox: Balder, after the truth comes out: Sis, do you have any therapists down here? I think we all need them
me: Hel and Balder, looking at each other awkwardly: Ah . . . so there really was another way. Glad to know I'm valuable for one thing at least.
@browncoatparadox : AU where half the Norse gods are just Odin in increasingly more unrealistic costumes
me: Shadow puppet theatre, It's like Thor, frig, Freya, and balder, And then just all the odins
@browncoatparadox: But if Odin is Loki and Freya it suddenly makes that one myth even funnier
me: ?
me: Oh!
me: The Thor Bride one!
@browncoatparadox: 👆
me: Yeah!
me:
Odin:Yeah, I don't want to pretend to marry that giant. How about you do it my son?
Maybe Freyer rather than Freya then, and Odin was like, look, you know what'll be funny? If I'm your sister too!
I won't make you look bad!
I'll be the most beautiful woman in the world!
Everyone will want my hand!
(he is not the most beautiful woman in the world)
@browncoatparadox:
Thor: Why can't Loki do it? He's already got a bunch of dresses!
Odin, sweating: ... Runes. Can't do it. Not today.
me: 😆
me: (but there's enough rumors that they want freya's hand anyways)
@browncoatparadox: 👌
me: (His freya costume is his worst one)
@browncoatparadox: Oh absolutely
me: (he doesn't even bother shaving his beard)
@browncoatparadox: Freya is literally just Odin crossdressing and with a glass eye
me: Maybe he changes out his glass eye for a fancy one? Like with flowers on it, so it looks disturbing
@browncoatparadox: Oh absolutely All the other deities are varying levels of convincing, but Freya is just Odin dressed up like he's going to the Met gala and claiming they're the most beautiful woman in the world
me: Yep! Loki's maybe the most convincing
@browncoatparadox: 👍
me: Because he was like hmm, okay, I'm gonna kickstart ragnarok like this can't let them know I'm myself and playing both sides
@browncoatparadox: He gets gradually less disguised over time, climaxing in Freya. I think that some people figure out a few of the overlaps, maybe figuring out that, say, Bragi and Loki are the same person, or Heimdall and Odin. Thor does not realize anything wrong until Ragnarok itself.
me: Yesssssss Like when they're on the battle field and there's like only half the people who promised to be there because all of them were Odin.
@browncoatparadox:
me: 😆
@browncoatparadox: Oh! Oh! All the kids unionize at Ragnarok and refuse to actually kill off all of Odin's aliases. Odin is devastated not just because the apocalypse he's been manipulating everyone towards won't happen, but because he was really looking forward to all the dramatic death scenes
me: Yes! They're like what would hurt him the most? At this point, it's not killing him. Any of him.
@browncoatparadox:
Odin: Why won't you eat me? 🥺
Fenrir: Dad, you have to know how weird that sounds. Anyways, I need to catch up with my siblings
Vidar: Honestly if he killed you I'd be way more likely to give him a chin rub than avenge you
me:
Odin: Jormungander? Won't you give you dad a hug? Hel? I can come down to you now?
The kids, gathered around Slepnir: and what's up with this?
@browncoatparadox: Hel: Sorry, can't make it to Ragnarok, I'm busy building a community garden for the dishonored dead. It's full of plants that got eaten by gophers before they could bloom!
me: 😆 Balder: They just need a little light!
me:
The vanir, siddling over to Frey: Hey dude, since when did you have a sister? Like cool we don't have to send over another hostage, but really?
Frey, utterly done with the war and Odin's antics, deadpan: Since always, duh, she's my twin. I know you received belated babyshower invitations, and Mom, you were there.
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