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arosjunkdrawer·9 months agoText

sleepyimpulse:

sleepyimpulse:

goyisch historians: jews did not put up any fight in WWII :) they just complacently marched off to camps 

90% of yiddish folk music from WWII: i can and will kill hitler with my own two fists

thanks for liking this post, here’s a list of Jewish protests against ICE happening in the U.S. this month 

7/8-7/11 — New York City Week of Action — Signup

7/8 — Chicago, IL — FB Event

7/9 — Washington, D.C. — FB Event

7/12 — Grand Rapids, MI— FB Event

7/14 —Concord, NH— FB Event

7/15 — Atlanta, GA— FB Event

sign up here to get more updates on mobilization of the jewish community against ICE:  https://actionnetwork.org/forms/take-action-to-shutdownice?source=direct_link&

and here’s a place to donate towards bailing immigrants out of detention centers: https://www.neveragainaction.com/donate

I’m sad that this post didn’t get to me yesterday, my fiance and I may have gone. New York is a city of Immigrants, you see. If Trump had is way, New York would lose the one thing that makes it truly American.

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janothar:

asearchforg-d:

mayuri:

Seems legit

It’s like the writers of each set of texts only lived in one geographic area and didn’t really go all over the world when they started 😒

Also, the circle should be a BIT bigger considering that some of the action takes place in Persia (modern Iran) and that the circle doesn’t include Mecca and Medina at all…like, talk about lazy graphic making.

Also midrashically the splitting of the sea took place in every body of water in the world (and it wasn’t the only one that took place in such a manner)

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I’m awful in the kitchen (with the exception probably of making herring or certain other fish dishes) but that certainly doesn’t stop me from trying. I forgot how much fun baking is, of course, now my dorm smells like fermenting flour. At yeast I’ll have bread for pas shacharis!

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zamru:

arothejew:

3tznius5this:

arothejew:

3tznius5this:

jewishdragon:

8th grade at orthodox Jewish day school

Day 1 of Navi class (Naviim is the book of prophets, we called the class Navi)

Rabbi: *walks in*

Class: *sits there, expecting to be instructed to open up our copies of Naviim*

Rabbi: so you know how people don’t know if Elvis is really dead? How they can’t prove he is or isn’t? That’s how I view G-D’s existence.

[and that’s when the class went from good to great]

@arothejew

misnag mondays: “so you know how people don’t know if the rebbe is really dead?” 

I pretty sure that the only context that we can say the Rebbe is alive is metzad the Chazal “רשעים בחייהם נקראים מתים, צדיקים אפילו במיתתם נקראים חיים”, that the wicked are called “dead” even while they are alive, and the righteous are called “living” even after they are nifter. Or you could also say that his influence is alive, because his legacy lives on through his shluchim, but alive in a physical body? Nope.

gonna’ throw up a disclaimer that this is goyim-don’t-reblog & tbh I would prefer this stays in frumkeit circles too, because although this conversation is valuable & one I need to perhaps learn to grow & be more welcoming to chabadniks/voice some of my concerns, I’m not interested in your average secular/non-Orthodox Jew using it as a leaping point for frum-bashing. 

it’s not monday, so I’ll be less inflammatory now, but there is a definite chabad contingent who believe the rebbe is still alive - because he is the moshiach - and troublingly, there are those that think he is G-d (although, a different form.) 

like, I guess because I live in the bit of North London that has a lot of people who have left chabad & chassidus to join my community because of the alienation from this held belief & thus they join us to get away from it, that I see it so clearly as an alive and well type of thinking.

now to be clear, I’m very-very aware that this is a minority thinking & is shocking to many people even in chabad, but it exists & manifests in some of the rebbe devotion across chabad, that makes a litvishe Jew like me quite uncomfortable & unsure. especially because chabad is so kiruv focused, it’s fine that people hold by things for themselves, but they are often at the forefront of representing orthodox judaism, and bringing in new people with no previous insight into frumkeit. 

can I ask how you juggle this type of thinking existing in your stream of Judaism? - since, from our previous conversations I know, you so clearly do not hold by this thinking. 

First of all, the elokists are in cherem by chabad and considered by the Beis din to be worshipping idolatry. Regarding stam mishichism, for the most part, there’s nothing halachically wrong with it. The gemara says clearly that moshiach can come from the dead (although says specifically that if moshiach will come from the dead, it will be Rebbi Yehuda HaNasi, and I’m personally not one to argue on the gemara). Now, hashgafically, there is something wrong with it - particularly for the people who insist that the Rebbe is for sure confirmed moshiach, when he clearly didn’t fulfill all of the requirements in the Rambam. The Rebbe may have been a fantastic candidate and potential moshiach while he was alive in a physical body, but he didn’t fulfill the requirements of the Rambam, and passed away. From my perspective, I consider it Shtuss. It’s shtuss that distracts a person from the real reason we’re out here - to make this world a dwelling place for G-d. It’s shtuss that mainstream Lubavitch doesn’t hold by, and I would say that the resistance to it in Lubavitch is more emotionally charged than the resistance to it in litvish communities (unfortunately even to extents of getting into a physical altercation over it). In terms of devotion to the Rebbe’s teachings even after his passing? We certainly aren’t the only ones who are in that position - take a look at Breslov too! Also, goyim don’t reblog, and non-frum jews also don’t reblog. Thanks.

Can you give the source in the Gemara for this? This came up the other day and the thing our rabbi explained is that the Rambam is very clearly against this idea and says Moshiach cannot come from the dead, however there is an obscure Rashi that Chabadniks quote that says it is possible - and even that chidush on the Rashi is new and has only ever been used by Chabadniks for the 7th Rebbe, no one else.

I’ll get it for you later, Iy'h. I have to ask a few people (although I might have a detail or two confused on that gemara). Regardless, The Rambam doesn’t say that moshiach cannot come from the dead. The Rambam didn’t use the word או מת in that section, it says או נהרג. That means that if moshiach is killed, murdered, executed, etc, they are no longer able to be considered a possible candidate for the position of Moshiach. The reason being that moshiach is someone whom the world (and the goyim) has no power over, and if they are killed, it shows that they aren’t.

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fromchaostocosmos:

steviemcfly:

alicepolitical:

tiffanarchy:

steviemcfly:

This may well be the stupidest fucking thing I’ve ever read.

“peacefully advocating for genocide”

Until they start actually rounding people up or commit some form of violence, they have done nothing wrong. It’s a freedom of speech thing.

I’d much rather let people wear swatikas in public while not doing anything violent than push them into hiding where they become a secret organization that actually does work to bring about their ideals.

It’s safer to let them believe whatever they want and only restrict their actions. Attacking people for their beliefs will never change their beliefs.

It’s not about changing their beliefs. It’s about letting them and the people who are like them know there are still consequences for trying to bring about our extermination. That they haven’t won.

They actually do work to bring about their ideals. They rally. They recruit. They run record labels. They use the internet to radicalize people. They have people working as police (confirmed by the FBI, with three high-profile cases of cops getting publicly caught this month alone, without even touching the people who were caught posting things that make it obvious they sympathize with their Nazi coworkers). And it works. There have been dozens killed in white supremacist terrorist attacks in the last two years alone, and we’re still sitting here talking about whether or not it’s okay to let them openly recruit.

We saw where that went last time. They are literally making concerted efforts to bring about the extermination of people like me. They’re doing so in secret as they have been, but because of people like you, they now feel comfortable being open. And you’ll jerk yourself off about how brave it is for you, presumably someone who is not on one of the top few rungs on the “people they’re trying to kill” ladder, to defend their rights to build their movement until they’re putting a bullet between your eyes or those of someone you love.

This isn’t “beliefs” or “opinions.” This is people who want to, and are making demonstrable progress toward, gaining enough power to execute (or, at best, exile) all non-white people. And you are enabling them. You are their best ally.

great for you that you are cool with seeing swatikas everywhere

my jewish ass will be freaking the fuck out 

It seems to me that people on this blasted website have the idea of freedom of speech a little funny. What’s provided for in the bill of rights is that the GOVERNMENT is not allowed to curtail an individual’s freedom of speech. That doesn’t mean “I should feel safe saying anything I want”, and it certainly doesn’t mean that average, non-government people (or even government officers off work and not on duty) EVER have to put up with people’s hate speech, or respect people’s privilege to express hateful opinions in public. That privilege isn’t protected by the government, and CERTAINLY isn’t a G-d given right.

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arosjunkdrawer·3 years agoPhoto

Went fishing, forgot sunscreen. Now I have a watch I will wear (whether I like it or not) this shabbos! (ouch!)

Good Shabbos everyone!

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tikkunolamorgtfo:

jewish-mccoy:

sophiakh00:

vermiciousyid:

sophiakh00:

vermiciousyid:

sophiakh00:

rose-in-a-fisted-glove:

asearchforg-d:

rose-in-a-fisted-glove:

asearchforg-d:

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sophiakh00:

Unpopular Opinion

Messianic jews are real and valid. They are not goyim in disguise and they shouldn’t be kicked from jewish spaces

Messianic Jews are 

1) Christians

2) Antisemitic

3) Appropriating Judaism

Messianic Jews are not 

1) actual Jews

If you aren’t ethnically Jewish and you believe Jesus is the son of G-d, you aren’t Jewish. It specifically goes against Jewish belief.

Messianics are a form of pious fraud, created out of whole cloth as a Trojan Horse style deception, in the belief that Lying For Jesus is not a sin, despite the commandment against bearing false witness. They are nothing more than Christians attempting to finally destroy the Jewish people after 2000 years, using deception rather than the force that has failed in the past. I think getting upset at us for refusing to bring this wooden horse in past the gates really goes to show how frustrated the missionaries/thieves are getting.

unpopular fact -
OP is condoning an act of genocide.

I’m not sure I would agree that it’s genocide.

I think I see where you’re coming from, that messianics want to eradicate actual Judaism as a religion. The question is though, how closely is Judaism the religion related to Judaism the culture? Athiest Jews are not a threat to Jewish culture. Are Christian Jews?

Again, I definitely agree messianics (as a group) are putrid sacks of shit that are antisemitic to a high degree. I juts question whether it’s an act of genocide or not to attack the religion of an ethno-religious people. 

Considering Messianic “Judaism” was invented by people who insist Yeshu is the messiah …

That doesn’t address anything I said though. 

It absolutely is a perversion and heresy and NOT Judaism. But does that rise to saying genocide? 

The question is though, how closely is Judaism the religion related to Judaism the culture? Athiest Jews are not a threat to Jewish culture. Are Christian Jews? I juts question whether it’s an act of genocide or not to attack the religion of an ethno-religious people.

And I do mean question, discussion on that would be great. 

I don’t mean harm I’m just confused as to why messianic are all so awful? Sure they’re different but them existing doesn’t eradicate Judaism. How does believing yeshua was messiah affect you ? Don’t be offended I’m just confused..

Because messianic Jews were created for the explicit purpose of tricking Jews into converting to Christianity and later assimilating them, thus destroying their Jewishness.  The entire existence of messianic Jews is devoted to the destruction of the Jewish people, which they are not nor ever have been a part of (the founders of the movement were non-Jewish Southern Baptists).

They particularly prey on Jews who grew up without a strong connection to Judaism (such as many Soviet Jews who grew up under state enforced bans on Jewish practice) who are looking for a way to reconnect.

A Jewish person who believes in Jesus (stop with the “Yeshua” BS, he hasn’t been called that in English ever until very recently) is a Christian with Jewish ethnicity or Jewish ancestry.  They are not a messianic Jew.  There is no such thing, as you cannot believe that the messiah has arrived and be Jewish.  If nothing else, Jesus failed to satisfy pretty much ANY of the requirements of being the messiah.

As for why everyone is offended, it’s because these movements, which you seem to be a member of, specifically target vulnerable Jewish populations in order to destroy the Jewishness of them and give license to Christians to appropriate sacred things within Judaism.

And don’t pretend you weren’t expecting anyone to be upset by your shitty post, when the original was titled “Unpopular Opinion.”

Ok but where are your sources? Where does it say that messianic is a trap? Where does it say in the Bible that Jesus didn’t fulfill prophecy??

I know someone else pointed you at Jews for Judaism, but here’s a question: what prophecies did Jesus satisfy? A small selection of important ones are mentioned here: http://www.jewfaq.org/mashiach.htm

Let’s start simply: the moshiach will restore the Temple.  The Temple existed in Jesus’s time (he did some stuff there with moneychangers that was a real dick move) and it wasn’t destroyed until after he died.  ERGO, he couldn’t have restored it.

He would herald an age of peace.  *looks around* Nope, we’ve still got war.  And have continually for the last few thousand years.

The entire world would recognize Judaism as the true religion.  This absolutely hasn’t happened.  Notably, you disagree with this statement.  But in more general terms, no religion is universally acknowledged.

More details at the link.

And an issue I’ve always had: Jesus is supposed to be teh rightful king, of the line of David.  That is a patrilineal line.  He had no human father.  Therefore…nope.

There’s also a second coming though which has to have prophecy fulfilled before then. So there’s rlly no telling. I heard There are plans to rebuild the temple in the hopefully near future btw (which u gotta admit is p exciting. messianic or not)

@sophiakh00

it’s not a “second” coming if you’re jewish you don’t believe the messiah has come yet

if it’s a second coming you’re a christian 

I’m literally just going to copy and paste my own damn self because I don’t have the spoons to rephrase this entire argument…again. 

Okay, so:

1. comparing atheist/agnostic Jews (a category under which both @vermiciousyid and I fall under) to messianics is a total false equivalency that needs to die in a fire. 

2. Yes, messianics (who also need to die in a fire) are attempting to commit cultural genocide (WTF is a Christian Jew? Do we mean people who are ethnically Jewish who convert to Christianity? Those are non-Jews of Jewish ancestry who are vulnerable to racial anti-Semitism. Not Jews. They don’t get to call themselves Jews anymore. There’s no such thing as a Christian Jew. Thanks for playing).

Okay so:

Struggling with and confronting G-d is one of the central pillars of Judaism. Unlike Christians, Jews are not expected to simply “have faith,” or to blindly accept the teachings of the Torah. On the contrary, Jews are actively encouraged to question G-d on both an intellectual and spiritual level. Challenging G-d through critical thought is actually an innately Jewish act.

Moreover, Judaism as a religion values actions much more than faith. Rabbi Andrea Berlin once said “As Jews, we are commanded not to believe, but to do. While most religions also command [people] to action, to response, to feeling and hearing, and then helping, [Jews] are commanded with no expectation of belief….One doesn’t really need G-d in order to live a Jewish life. To live a Jewish life, one need only follow mitzvot; doing so with a little compassion is even better.

In short, not believing in a supernatural deity is not really antithetical to Jewish living or to Judaism.

Believing in Jesus as the Messiah, however, absolutely does negate the tenets of Judaism in a variety of ways (arrival of Moshiach, the trinity, etc). There is no valid version of Judaism that can be practiced while holding this belief, and trying to do so warps everything Judaism stands for in offensive, inappropriate ways. Attempting to take holidays like Rosh Hashanah or Purim and making them into observances underlied by belief in JC is like trying to write a paper arguing that Pride and Prejudice is a metaphor for the Reagan Administration. The connection isn’t there because it was never meant to be, and saying otherwise is bullshit. The only way to practice a religion while believing in Jesus as the Messiah is to practice Christianity, and if one is practicing Christianity then they are not practicing Judaism. It’s that simple.

Lastly, Messianic Judaism was formed by missionaries as a way to get Jews to abandon Judaism and become Christians. It is effectively a movement appropriates Judaism in order to weaponize it against the Jewish people as a tool for cultural genocide.

Everybody please fucking stop comparing atheist/agnostic Jews (many of whom like myself are actively practicing within various movements of Judaism that were actually set up by, you know, JEWISH PEOPLE) to Christian cosplayers trying to destroy our people. Just DON’T DO IT. 

P.S. Messianics are not valid and not only do you deserve to be kicked out of Jewish spaces, but you also deserve to have your entire disgusting movement flung into the furthest reaches of the sun and incinerated on impact. Please, and I mean this from the bottom of my heart, fuck off and never darken our door with your predatory bullshit ever the fuck again. May Hashem piss on your fucking graves. 

About atheist jews: There was once an atheist jewish man who lived in the boondocks, and he wanted to send his son to the best school he could. The best school in the area- academics wise - was a catholic school. One day a few weeks into the school year, his son comes home, talking about the trinity. He pulled his son aside, and took him for a walk.

“Son,” he said “Let me explain to you something. There is ONLY ONE G-d in the world, and we don’t believe in him.” @tikkunolamorgtfo

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arosjunkdrawer·3 years agoText

@taylorklaine


It seems you think that Yom Kippur isn’t a happy day - I tried Reblogging that post to dispel your misconception, but tumblr keeps losing it. So just take a look at this here: https://arothejew.tumblr.com/post/165333572100/common-misconception-rosh-hashanah-and-yom-kippur


Yom Kippur is one of the happiest days of the entire year, and it is entirely appropriate to wish someone a joyful Yom Kippur! Please don’t spread misinformation about it.

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catescher:

chiribomb:

arothejew:

כבש - lamb
כבש - ramp
כבש - soak
כבש - squeeze
כבש - capture/conquer

שני - year
שני - difference
שני - answer
שני - repeat/review
שני - learn

I’m sobbing

Not from laughter, I’m just sobbing

Thank god I never had the inclination of learning Hebrew.

Now to the real talk: How do you learn to keep them apart? Is there even a difference? This is honest question born out of genuine curiosity without any sort of sarcasm attached to it.

On the other hand, as a result of this Idea, hebrew tends to be an EXTREMELY expressive and poetic language, much moreso than English. If someone speaks in an arbitrary and imprecise manner all the time, biblical hebrew is incredibly hard to understand, speak, or write. However, if a person is used to speaking precisely, choosing each word carefully, hebrew becomes the ideal language, able to express deep ideas in great detail with very few words.

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fromchaostocosmos:

harleyismyhero:

arothejew:

noxelementalist:

arothejew:

Someone asked me (in person) what I think was the worst injustice in the movie “the Prince of Egypt”, and my answer is going to sound weird at first, but once you hear the explanation, maybe it will make more sense.

My answer is, they robbed the leader of the jewish people of his jewish education and Pharaoh’s daughter of her jewish identity.

Moses (Moshe in hebrew) did not grow up thinking he was an Egyptian. Not remotely. When Yocheved (his mother) put him in the basket on the river, Miriam followed the basket, until it reached Pharaoh’s daughter, whose name was Batya. Now, Pharaoh’s daughter wasn’t just coming down to the river to bathe herself. It’s explained specifically in Tractate Sotah (in the talmud) that she came to ritually immerse herself in order to convert to Judaism. I’ll say it again, Pharaoh’s daughter was converting to Judaism when she found Moshe. Miriam knew this, and went up to Batya and asked her if she needed a jewish caretaker to help her raise the baby and give him a jewish education. After Batya agreed, Miriam brought Yocheved, Moshe’s own mother, to raise her own son in her own jewish household (until about age 5-6 when he went to go stay by Batya in the house of Pharaoh). Moshe always knew he was jewish! His mother was jewish, his foster mother (Batya) was also jewish. He always knew his sister Miriam, and his brother Aharon.

So as a side point - if that’s the case, why did Pharaoh agree to let his daughter raise a jewish baby as her own? He came up with a test to figure out if this baby boy was wise and power hungry (and thus a threat to his own son). He placed in front of Moshe a bowl of gold, and a bowl of burning coals, and if he reached for the gold, he was a concern, and if he reached for the coals, he would be safe to keep in his house. An angel took hold of Moshe’s hand and put it in the coals, after which Moshe put his hand in his mouth, burning his tongue, and giving him a speech impediment that would plague him until the last 40 days of his life (something else they conveniently left out of the movie). Because Moshe couldn’t speak clearly, he had to bring Aharon with him as a spokesman when he spoke to Pharaoh - the arrangement sort of that Moshe would whisper it to Aharon, and Aharon would relay to Pharaoh what Moshe intended to say. So in addition to the gross inaccuracy of the movie in general, those of you who make a big deal about “able-ism” by movie makers doing away with character disabilities. Here is an example of a real historical figure who had a REAL speech impediment that makes a big difference in how Moshe should have been communicating. Why do you remain silent? Please reblog this, thanks.

*raises hand* I’m guessing both of these were left out as they are not mentioned in the Bible; The second is mentioned in the Quran, but I don’t know if the first is. 

The problem is as follows. The makers of the movie claim to have consulted as many as “600 religious scholars” to guarantee its accuracy to represent what happened. If they had in fact done so properly, they would have NOT consulted Xtian or Muslim religious scholars. The only thing that matters here is the jewish tradition because this is our history, and our book. Just because it isn’t written clearly in the Bible does not mean that it should not be included - because if they wanted to claim to present a realistic perspective of what happened, they would NEVER have left out any of these details. It shows that the “religious scholars” were goyim - xtians-, not jews. Because if they had intended to actually portray the story in the proper manner, they would have done it according to jewish tradition.

why is ableism in scare quotes

okay yeah i didn’t see that and i would like to know why it is scare quotes as well because yeah that ableism shouldn’t be and also yeah it is ableism 

I’ll remove them. They were there just for emphasis, that’s all, but if they’re going to mess with the message, I’ll get rid of them.

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arothejew:

Someone asked me (in person) what I think was the worst injustice in the movie “the Prince of Egypt”, and my answer is going to sound weird at first, but once you hear the explanation, maybe it will make more sense.

My answer is, they robbed the leader of the jewish people of his jewish education and Pharaoh’s daughter of her jewish identity.

Moses (Moshe in hebrew) did not grow up thinking he was an Egyptian. Not remotely. When Yocheved (his mother) put him in the basket on the river, Miriam followed the basket, until it reached Pharaoh’s daughter, whose name was Batya. Now, Pharaoh’s daughter wasn’t just coming down to the river to bathe herself. It’s explained specifically in Tractate Sotah (in the talmud) that she came to ritually immerse herself in order to convert to Judaism. I’ll say it again, Pharaoh’s daughter was converting to Judaism when she found Moshe. Miriam knew this, and went up to Batya and asked her if she needed a jewish caretaker to help her raise the baby and give him a jewish education. After Batya agreed, Miriam brought Yocheved, Moshe’s own mother, to raise her own son in her own jewish household (until about age 5-6 when he went to go stay by Batya in the house of Pharaoh). Moshe always knew he was jewish! His mother was jewish, his foster mother (Batya) was also jewish. He always knew his sister Miriam, and his brother Aharon.

So as a side point - if that’s the case, why did Pharaoh agree to let his daughter raise a jewish baby as her own? He came up with a test to figure out if this baby boy was wise and power hungry (and thus a threat to his own son). He placed in front of Moshe a bowl of gold, and a bowl of burning coals, and if he reached for the gold, he was a concern, and if he reached for the coals, he would be safe to keep in his house. An angel took hold of Moshe’s hand and put it in the coals, after which Moshe put his hand in his mouth, burning his tongue, and giving him a speech impediment that would plague him until the last 40 days of his life (something else they conveniently left out of the movie). Because Moshe couldn’t speak clearly, he had to bring Aharon with him as a spokesman when he spoke to Pharaoh - the arrangement sort of that Moshe would whisper it to Aharon, and Aharon would relay to Pharaoh what Moshe intended to say. So in addition to the gross inaccuracy of the movie in general, those of you who make a big deal about “able-ism” by movie makers doing away with character disabilities. Here is an example of a real historical figure who had a REAL speech impediment that makes a big difference in how Moshe should have been communicating. Why do you remain silent? Please reblog this, thanks.

Agreed 100%. And thats just the tip of the iceberg of everything wrong with that movie.

Oh yeah, I could go on for ages identifying all of the problems. And it drives me absolutely nuts that people on tumblr seem to love this movie. It’s literally garbage.

Wow, chill out. “Literally garbage”? You’re criticizing Tumblr while simultaneously exhibiting one of the worst trends on this site, the thing where a work/person/etc has to be 100% Ideologically Pure (which nothing is, not completely) or it is Terrible and not ok to like.

Prince of Egypt is bad if you’re evaluating it as a source to learn Torah accurately (I actually once wrote a 15-point non-exhaustive list of inaccuracies, so I am not at all unaware of this). But if you want to learn Torah…why are you watching a movie and expecting to accomplish that? Pull out your Mikraos Gedolos and start reading. That doesn’t mean that people can’t enjoy the movie for what it is, which is a generally well done, visually beautiful, Hollywoodized movie meant to entertain, not educate. Like any true story or book adapted for the screen, plot changes were made both for dramatic effect and to make the story work for the medium at hand. Things that actually happened or worked on the page often don’t work well in film, and not adapting them would result in “garbage.” Prince of Egypt is a decent movie - it has flaws, like any other work, that can be criticized, but calling it garbage is ridiculous. It’s not Torah, it’s not trying to be Torah, it’s just a movie and people are allowed to enjoy it for what it is.

also the movie is not intended for a Jewish only audience. the people behind it took from Christian, Jewish, and Muslim sources to make it accurate and accessible to each interpretation. and it’s the only movie about a Torah story (that I know of, besides its sequel about Joseph) that doesn’t whitewash every damn character so step off? seriously???

Aside from the fact that we already established I was being melodramatic, That’s exactly the problem. The fact that it was intended for all audiences gave them an excellent opportunity to educate the masses about the tradition of how it happened according to the ONLY religion that matters here, and they missed out on that opportunity. It’s our history and our story, and we are the only ones who can vouch for how it happened. I will admit that it has its advantages against other films, and it isn’t “literally garbage” - but let’s not make this about skin color, shall we? Just because they didn’t whitewash doesn’t redeem the choices they did make in the movie.

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arosjunkdrawer·3 years agoText

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Someone asked me (in person) what I think was the worst injustice in the movie “the Prince of Egypt”, and my answer is going to sound weird at first, but once you hear the explanation, maybe it will make more sense.

My answer is, they robbed the leader of the jewish people of his jewish education and Pharaoh’s daughter of her jewish identity.

Moses (Moshe in hebrew) did not grow up thinking he was an Egyptian. Not remotely. When Yocheved (his mother) put him in the basket on the river, Miriam followed the basket, until it reached Pharaoh’s daughter, whose name was Batya. Now, Pharaoh’s daughter wasn’t just coming down to the river to bathe herself. It’s explained specifically in Tractate Sotah (in the talmud) that she came to ritually immerse herself in order to convert to Judaism. I’ll say it again, Pharaoh’s daughter was converting to Judaism when she found Moshe. Miriam knew this, and went up to Batya and asked her if she needed a jewish caretaker to help her raise the baby and give him a jewish education. After Batya agreed, Miriam brought Yocheved, Moshe’s own mother, to raise her own son in her own jewish household (until about age 5-6 when he went to go stay by Batya in the house of Pharaoh). Moshe always knew he was jewish! His mother was jewish, his foster mother (Batya) was also jewish. He always knew his sister Miriam, and his brother Aharon.

So as a side point - if that’s the case, why did Pharaoh agree to let his daughter raise a jewish baby as her own? He came up with a test to figure out if this baby boy was wise and power hungry (and thus a threat to his own son). He placed in front of Moshe a bowl of gold, and a bowl of burning coals, and if he reached for the gold, he was a concern, and if he reached for the coals, he would be safe to keep in his house. An angel took hold of Moshe’s hand and put it in the coals, after which Moshe put his hand in his mouth, burning his tongue, and giving him a speech impediment that would plague him until the last 40 days of his life (something else they conveniently left out of the movie). Because Moshe couldn’t speak clearly, he had to bring Aharon with him as a spokesman when he spoke to Pharaoh - the arrangement sort of that Moshe would whisper it to Aharon, and Aharon would relay to Pharaoh what Moshe intended to say. So in addition to the gross inaccuracy of the movie in general, those of you who make a big deal about “able-ism” by movie makers doing away with character disabilities. Here is an example of a real historical figure who had a REAL speech impediment that makes a big difference in how Moshe should have been communicating. Why do you remain silent? Please reblog this, thanks.

Agreed 100%. And thats just the tip of the iceberg of everything wrong with that movie.

Oh yeah, I could go on for ages identifying all of the problems. And it drives me absolutely nuts that people on tumblr seem to love this movie. It’s literally garbage.

Wow, chill out. “Literally garbage”? You’re criticizing Tumblr while simultaneously exhibiting one of the worst trends on this site, the thing where a work/person/etc has to be 100% Ideologically Pure (which nothing is, not completely) or it is Terrible and not ok to like.

Prince of Egypt is bad if you’re evaluating it as a source to learn Torah accurately (I actually once wrote a 15-point non-exhaustive list of inaccuracies, so I am not at all unaware of this). But if you want to learn Torah…why are you watching a movie and expecting to accomplish that? Pull out your Mikraos Gedolos and start reading. That doesn’t mean that people can’t enjoy the movie for what it is, which is a generally well done, visually beautiful, Hollywoodized movie meant to entertain, not educate. Like any true story or book adapted for the screen, plot changes were made both for dramatic effect and to make the story work for the medium at hand. Things that actually happened or worked on the page often don’t work well in film, and not adapting them would result in “garbage.” Prince of Egypt is a decent movie - it has flaws, like any other work, that can be criticized, but calling it garbage is ridiculous. It’s not Torah, it’s not trying to be Torah, it’s just a movie and people are allowed to enjoy it for what it is.

You’re right of course. I’m just being melodramatic. I guess What frustrates me is more along the lines that people I often get to teach make a mistake take it as a source. In my Midrash Rabbah course, I usually have to start by explaining that the movie is wrong, because they come with preconceived notions about what happened.

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arosjunkdrawer·3 years agoText

Yiddish isn’t even my first language, but a little wine and my English goes out the window and gets replaced with yiddish, and hebrew words wherever I don’t know the yiddish word….

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arosjunkdrawer·3 years agoPhoto

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Don’t even get me started about how horrible this movie is. Every time I start teaching people about the exodus, I have to start by dispelling inaccuracies and simple lies and midrashically incorrect “artistic license” taken in the movie. A movie made by goyim for goyim.

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