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apparently people missed the very, very clear purpose of this post.

No, I'm not blindly believing this rumor.

The issue is that something so completely horrendously stupid as removing Toph's blindness isn't even shocking given how much they destroyed the show already.

the fact that there’s rumors going around that NATLA is going to get rid of Toph’s blindness and no one is even remotely shocked is telling

#natla #natla critical #anti natla #avatar #atla #avatar the last airbender #should i be surprised that some of the 11 NATLA enjoyers got angry at this #probably not #its on brand for them to not understand anything given they liked NATLA

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Sokka may not be a misogynist, but the Netflix live action ATLA is:

There really is no cartoon/anime for female empowerment like the OG ATLA and LOK cartoons.

The creators of ATLA wrote the manifesto on how to create a masterful series on female empowerment and equality that is not cheesy or hocky.

In this show, women and girls are not a monolith but immensely diverse. There's no correct way to be a powerful, talented and bold woman or girl within the avatar universe.

You can be hyper-feminine like Ty Lee and Asami.

You can embody more traditionally masculine qualities like Korra and Toph.

Or you could just be a typical woman or girl falling more in between like Azula, Mai, or Suki.

You see the exact same thing for the male characters. There's no right way to be a man. There's many ways to be a man, and this idea flies in the face of patriarchy.

I say that the Netflix version is misogynist, because it's not enough to be a powerful woman. One must be allowed to be unapologetically, unabashedly and boldy powerful.

Which is what happens in the OG ATLA. Sokka's misogyny was actually a part of his character arc, because every time he was misogynist his misogyny was met with the answer that women and girls are phenomenal, that women and girls are living their lives and largely unconcerned with the opinions of men.

If you read the Kiyoshi novels, you learn that surprisingly enough, the least patriarchal amd misogynist nation in all of Avatar is the fire nation, and the misogynistic nation in all of Avatar is the northern water tribe.

The reason I say that the women in these shows are unabashedly powerful is because aside from Sokka and the master from the Northern Water tribe, no one ever questions why or how they are powerful. They expect it.

Zuko is Ozai's first born son, yet Azula is his pride. When Ozai imagines the future, he imagines it with Azula as the fire lord. He names her after his father. He trusts her to go find the avatar once he knows the avatar has returned.

Sokka and Katara effectively lost both of their parents, but Katara the youngest steps up as the mother and becomes the glue of the group. She's the one who becomes both an immensely powerful bender and healer.

Suki loves Sokka, but when we are introduced to her. She is unconcerned with him. Her and the other Kiyoshi warriors are the protectors of the village who go out into the world to do good into the world.

We see the revseral of all of these tenants in the Netflix show.

Ozai has hope for Zuko at the expense of Azula who he sees as a nuisance. She is no longer am obvious prodigy.

Katara is seen as a child who will not grow up by her brother who is now behaving as a father figure.

Suki is infatuated with Sokka and she follows him around Kiyoshi island when he arrives.

These woman are powerful but restrained and undermined in this power. Suki becomes concerned with the opinions of a man, and a random man at that.

What the OG ATLA taught to all women, girls, boys and men is that you never have to apologize for being powerful, intelligent, kind empathetic.

This is a very critical point that cuts to the heart of the OG ATLA that Netflix has missed.

#atla #avatar: the last airbender #natla critical #anti natla #natla #nothing progressive about pushing women to the side

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Don’t believe rumors

Not even the point of that post but whatever

#point is that people aren’t even shocked because NATLA fucked so much shit up

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the fact that there’s rumors going around that NATLA is going to get rid of Toph’s blindness and no one is even remotely shocked is telling

#natla #natla critical #anti natla #toph beifong #toph #ATLA #avatar the last airbender #like yeah of COURSE they would #why would we expect anything more

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The amount of people that can’t separate Aang being a “flawed” parent from being a “bad” parent is comical. 100% sure if we saw Zuko having some parental missteps you guys would be forgiving him as soon as possible.

For the record all of this applies to Toph too. Being a legitimately bad parent versus having some issues with parenting due to your environment and upbringing are NOT the same. It’s sad a show like LOK really tried to make that a powerful point of the show and losers with no brain activity took it as “every parent is bad.”

This.

The aang and kataang renaissance is the funniest thing of 2024

The haters always get crazily ratioed 👀

#atla #lok #aang #avatar the last airbender #katara #toph beifong #Zuko

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I know dunking on Zutarians is fun and all, but can we please talk about Tyzulaians? Cause they are almost as delusional, if not more than, Zutarians. Maybe they might have been friends when they were kids, but all of Ty Lee's interactions with Azula in the show are clearly that of someone deathly afraid of their superior snapping, and therefore kissing ass much as possible. For fucks sake, the advice Ty Lee gives to Azula during that Ember Island party in regards to getting boys is what she uses to placate her. And even though basically every single piece of post-Sozin's Comet media has all but said that she loathes Azula to the point that she eventually overcame her fear of her so she could hunt her down, Tyzulaians still cling to their ship.

And have you seen the ridiculous handwaving they do in regards to Azula's dream world showing her have a male love interest? I've even seen edits on TikTok where they blurred out Ruon-Jian.

Also, just like Zutarians like to call anyone who disagrees with their ship racist and sexist, among other things, Tyzulaians call anyone who disagrees with their ship lesbophobic, even if the person doing the criticism are queer themselves.

I know that Zutarians have engaged in mass delusion ever since Korra made their ship explicitly fanon, but I really wonder what is going to happen once we get hard confirmation that neither Ty Lee or Azula are queer, or if or both them are, Tyzula is not thing on one or both of their parts? Especially in regards to Azula stans that are also hard-core Tyzula shippers considering the current comics writer got death threats by a crazed Azula stan that made her wary of writing a comic involving Azula for quite sometime?

Sounds like a personal problem

#never really seen tyzula shippers be awful en masse #every ship fandom has a few bad apples #Zutara just has a majority of bad apples

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When your only defense for NATLA is “it wasn’t as bad as the movie,” you need to up your standards. Why settle for lazy, cash grab media whose only potential merits is stuff it only copies the bare essence of from something else. Demand better.

#atla #avatar the last airbender #anti natla #natla

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Mai isn't the only character that they believe is underdeveloped.

They think the same about Aang. You know, the main character of the show.

It's definitely convenient that characters that stand on the way of their ship are supposedly underdeveloped...

It’s almost like if you hyperfixate on two characters and develop your own wack ass “development” for them while ignoring everything canon, you’ll think the ones you ignore are “underdeveloped.”

Like legit 75-80% of the characterization for Zuko and Katara by Zutarians is just a complete lie. They sometimes even don’t get basic elements right. I’ve seen them mess up stuff like saying Katara’s mom was a waterbender, Zuko only met Mai once before banishment, etc.

#anti zutara #atla #avatar the last airbender #Zuko #Katara

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Love how zutarians literally cannot fathom a main character being romantically involved with someone who isn't a main character. Mai isn't underdeveloped; she's just not a main character. That doesn't make her love for Zuko or his love for her less valid. It's just not a primary focus, like, oh, IDK...Aang and Katara.

They could've made the entire show about Mai and Zuko's romance and you guys would miss it anyway because you're too busy masturbating to a red and blue aesthetic AU ship you call Zutara.

So I guess I'm going to talk about Maiko... again.

So, when there is an underdeveloped character like Mai who is literally put into a position to subvert expectations, it's actually bad writing.

It really is. It's not that Mai is problematic, it's that she is just a placeholder. This is the reason I don't find Maiko attractive at all. I'm an experienced writer (21 years now) that utilizes all the characters in a way that makes the story progress along. Mai doesn't really do this unless she is in the same frame as Azula.

Let me put it this way, she has a better relationship with Azula than she does with Zuko. Why? The only example of a relationship with Zuko we get is a flashback to where he's I'm a fountain with her. This is, of course, after we see them together on a ship. He is banished at 13, we don't see Mai before that. Then when he is allowed to return to the Fire Nation, Azula and Ty Lee set him and Mai up on a date. Its... lackluster at best. We are supposed to just fall in love with this ship when there is really no context given to us about how or why. It's a shoehorn. She is shoved into this relationship to subvert the relationship that the writers want to happen with two other characters. It's awful, I hate it, and it lacks development to make me really care about Mai.

It's a huge flaw.

We are given the line 'why don't we order a few servants around, that will make you feel better' is actually gaslighting Zuko into feeling the way she wants him to. That is the problem that people see. Not that she enjoys ordering servants around, but that she invalidates Zuko's feelings when he is really struggling internally with something that is ultimately a difficult decision. He's not happy to be home like he thought he would be. Zuko doesn't really fall for that, though, because he knows it now. It's been done to him all of his life by his own father. He recognizes it now. Which means he is growing. Mai, unfortunately, doesn't get that opportunity until later in the comics, and even then, her growth comes with realizing that her relationship is filled with secrets.

So, yeah... Mai isn't a well fleshed out character. If she was, then maybe I'd like her a little better and ship Maiko. But I don't see that as someone who is familiar with character development and dynamic. Mai is pretty static, where Zuko isn't.

Zutarians don't need to validate themselves to the Antis for not liking Maiko. We love what we love. And it's also pretty fun to write metas.

#anti zutara #can't insult writing if you're illiterate #sorry i dont make the rules

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If you read plot synopses only then maybe you’ll agree with this. Feminism isn’t just about screaming about how much better women are than men, so if you were expecting that then you’d be disappointed.

But yeah saying characters like Toph, Katara, Azula, Ty Lee, Mai, Suki, etc. didn’t contribute in their own way towards a woman-positive message is just ignoring facts to fuel a bias. Seeing as your tags have this blamed on shipping, I think you just don’t like the ships they ended in. Even removed from their romance, they are strong characters, and adding the romance at absolute worst doesn’t affect them as individuals in any way.

It's funny to me when people insist that "ATLA was really feminist" as if there wasn't really only one feminist message which was the very generic "girls can fight too" spiel that every 2000s show had going on whenever they briefly tried to jump on the feminism bandwagon or whatever

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Hey so you can keep saying “Bryke are the reason NATLA is so bad” as much as you want. There were several layers of producers, directors, writers, executives, and more that came in after they left that approved of the show and had more power than Bryke to change the story, and they gave us dogshit. Even if you have your unfounded hate boner against them, the responsibility of the final product was on the people who ultimately did the majority of the work on the show, that being NOT Bryan or Mike, and it fucking sucked.

It’s parallel to how you can hate Bryan and Mike so much for either petty or completely made-up BS but they were ultimately the creative heads of ATLA, which you love and cherish.

Also if you’re gonna pull the “tHeY hAvE sOmE wRiTiNg CrEdiTs In NATLA” card, that doesn’t matter. If a shitty singer does a bad cover of a good song by a good artist and publishes it, the original good artist gets writing credit. They had credits on M. Night’s movie too because they created the original show. That’s a completely null and void point.

#atla #avatar the last airbender #anti natla #natla #maybe you should stop hating Bryke and like do something about your life #avatar #zuko #katara #Aang

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There are multiple articles where the showrunners for NATLA say Netflix directly ordered them to remove Sokka’s sexism because they didn’t think it would test well. Bryke had left by that point. But keep using misinformation to inform your bias!

bryke likely being the ones responsible for removing sokka's sexism arc and katara's temper in natla before they left is soooo funny because rabid kataang shippers were legit making up conspiracies that some natla writer that liked zutara was responsible for it...like what...? do you even know how show writing works lmao, you people are delusional

caleb williams's comments about bryke wanting to make a lot of changes and leaving because netflix wanted to keep things more similar to the animated series, hence the "creative differences", checks out because i know bryke were always unhappy with how book 1 turned out and they have said numerous times before that they would want to do certain things differently if they were given the chance to remake atla.

#also if you’re gonna pull up their writing credit it’s because they had to credit them somehow #if someone does a bad cover of a song the original artist still gets writing credit #atla #natla #anti natla #people really out here blaming Bryke when they literally aren’t even doing anything

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Dude really just took a dump on the franchise and dipped lmao. I’d wanna leave this shitshow too even if it were my fault like him.

#atla #avatar the last airbender #natla #natla critical #anti natla #wouldn’t be surprised if they literally just get AI to be the showrunner #at this point who even cares #the people defending it are just babies who clap when nostalgia keys are jingled in front of them

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For whatever reason, people decided Su was a part of the Red Lotus when she first appeared and the negative opinions for her relating to that stuck despite it not even turning out to be true.

I think the reason I'm so protective of Su is that most Suyin haters I've met woobified Lin and Kuvira, completely deforming them as characters. While also defending or even agreeing with Kuvira's literal war crimes.

Also the very shitty aspect of piting two traumatised women against each other. Like Lin and Su are both victims of a less than ideal home life. They've both suffered and a huge part of their trauma is them having to compete for the good graces of their mother. And now we do something so similair. Arguing ove which of these women has the moral high ground in a very blurry situation.

Along with the veey concerning trend of discarding Suyin's mental anguish due to the fact that she 'seems more stable'. We give Lin a free pass for her shitty behaviours because we see that she's traumatised. But Suyin doesn't get this because she doesn't appear as messed up.

And I love Lin and I think she deserves to be treated more gently by the fandom because of her past. But so does Su. Someone who literally built her coping mecahnism from the ground up and then spent like two seasons watching said coping mechanism fall apart bit by bit.

I'm not saying you can't criticise Su's behaviours in the show but like. So many people just handily discard the very obvious reasons for them and just call her a shitty person.

#suyin beifong

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Given how Netflix treats Katara, I expect Lin would more closely resemble a wooden 2x4 than an actual character if they adapted LOK.

Now if there will be a Netflix Adaptation of LOK, y'all better do this job done and good.

LET KYA AND LIN INTERACT!

I haven't read any of the comics, but please, let them talk, give them a vacation together with the gaangs other children. I know they are old but find a way pleaseeeeee!!

#NATLA handled women as bad as Bill Cosby

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Zuko is not an equal to Katara

not saying anti-Kataang people are all into incest but I ain’t seen a mother blush at, kiss, or flirt with their child

So when you say Katara was like a mother to Aang just remember that.

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Damn imagine when you find out that caring people can be in romantic relationships

not saying anti-Kataang people are all into incest but I ain’t seen a mother blush at, kiss, or flirt with their child

So when you say Katara was like a mother to Aang just remember that.