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Hey, @mickmoh , thanks for your note! That's amazing there are still people who don't support the theory despite everything is against us.

I hope you don't mind I reply to you as reblog, but it's getting too long and I prefer to do this way than writing million notes.

Yes, that hasn't been confirmed in canon, but sadly now I see it's totally possible. When one of show ambassador's said that, I didn't believe at all, because that was just one girl who claims thing that's totally absurd to me (it still is), maybe for the hype reasons or something. But when more "serious" official account say the same is another story (it's much less likely it's lying for whatever reason).

Before that I hadn't noticed as I didn't think it could be possible, but in the S4 finale, there are strong hints that Adrien is a sentimonster. Like Gabriel rubbing a finger where the ring is supposed to be placed and making weird expression when Félix pretending to be Adrien is trying to rebel. I was totally confused by this scene (I even thought that Gabriel could notice that it was Félix not Adrien, but the next episode shown it was just a false assumption of mine), but if the theory is true, that explains it. Of course "rubbing the ring" thing is totally inconsistent and that could be only a nervous tic. I have always thought it is all the time, especially considering that Adrien is doing exactly the same with his Miraculous when he is nervous, so he could get that from his biological father for absolutely no magical reasons. And then there are all those Thomas twitts about him saying "Sentimonster who looks like humans are humans, there's no difference between them and biological people". So even if he isn't really confirming the theory, he is trying so hard to convince us that it doesn't change anything (would he do that if the theory isn't true?), Adrien is as much human as he was if being born in "normal" biological way. He can say that as many times as he wants, but that never changes the fact that the narration of his own show says something totally opposite, human-looking sentimonsters are always treated like tools, never like real persons, their lives are worthless for everyone, they are worth less than every other living being. So in my opinion, considering only what's been shown in the show in seasons 2-4, human-looking sentimonsters aren't real humans, they are treated exactly the same like abstract looking monsters (someone can say with exception of Sentibug but even she was killed on screen, so she is no different in real), even if they have all the traits of real people (like ability of talking and thinking). That can't be undone no matter what seasons 5 and the next ones will try to show They already totally fucked up the sentimonster writing if anyone who is not "monster of the week" is indeed one, even if it's only Félix not Adrien.

I agree that the theory is not solid but that has no chance to be for all the reasons said above, no matter how many proofs there are in season 4. But that's also not a proof the theory can't be true, sadly. :( The show is already full of inconsistency and plot holes, especially in season 4, I have lost almost all of my faith that the writers know what they are doing, seeing only that's been shown in S4 (of course the writing has never been perfect, but that season brought that to a another level of inconsistency). Adrien being a sentimonster is taking the rest of my faith.

For example if someone would say me before S4 started airing that Marinette will tell Alya all the Miraculous lore, the code to the Miracle Box, let her to take any of the Miraculous without the guardian consent and do whatever she wants generally, I would never believe it. It sounds totally absurd and completely out of character for Marinette to me. But that what exactly happened in canon, despite being totally non canon compliant. Seasons 2-3 were clear with that, the secrets are sacred, only guardian can know all the lore written in the grimoire, not even the Kwamis can, and they lose their memory during passing the guardianship (even Furious Fu episode hints that "guardians are losing their memories" thing is always happening) for the safety reasons. And then Marinette tells everything to Alya, lets her to see the grimoire and the Kwamis are always present when Marinette is doing guardian things. In previous seasons there was nothing suggesting that those rules are wrong in the narration and Marinette has never questioned them. There're still nothing about that, but Marinette is doing something totally opposite to what Fu has learnt her. It's also absolutely OOC to Marinette, as she panics so easily, she thinks to much and always see the worst possible scenarios of everything, but out of nowhere she stars doing totally risky and irresponsible things mindlessly like telling all the secrets to Alya, gives her access to the Miracle Box or giving her the fox permanently despite her identity has been exposed or her precious ladybug Miraculous without a thought. The only thing that narration did was giving her a nightmare in which Alya tells Ladybug's identity to everyone, which was absurd like dreams usual are, but never address the scenario that's much more likely: Alya being akumatised and then telling Shadow Moth her identity, all the guardian secrets and giving him the Miracle Box. It was like Alya is unable to be akumatised since she knows Ladybug's identity. The only Marinette's fear was Chat Noir being akumatised, never her best friend being akumatised. There's absolutely no way that Marinette we all know would never consider that giving Alya all things mentioned above is extremely risky and that all the Kwamis (especially Tikki) will be fine with that. And that's stupid that Tikki criticise Marinette for using her power for selfish reasons, but no one Alya for doing the same. Double standards are so strong, even in the narration.

I can watch season 5 with a mere 1% hope that it isn't true, but that would be a pain. If I decide to watch the next season, it's probably better for my mental health to do it believing that Adrien is a sentimonster and then being pleasantly surprised at the end of it, than being even more disappointed. Because of course, we will get the answer in the season 5 finale most probably. Thankfully definitely not later knowing that the next season is the end of Hawk Moth saga. I'm aware that watching the whole season during the year not knowing if it was worth it or not is not going a fun thing to me. And I'm not sure if I am able to handle that. I barely handled watching season 4. If you can watch the whole season without knowing what's true and be fine, it's great for you, but my situation is different.

Hey guys, I feel I need to say something. I thought I'm ready to give season 5 a chance despite I absolutely hated season 4, and be even a little excited by it, but something I've heard yesterday just destroyed everything. I mean that there's an official Twitter account (like Miraculous Mexico or something) saying that Adrien and Félix are sentimonsters. It look like for 99% the show is now destroyed to me and I there's a high chance I decide quit watching it. Maybe I will watch season 5 when I calm down, but only for the curiosity reason, with even less enjoyment than season 4. That was already mostly a pain to me. Adrien being a sentimonster is the worst thing that could potentially happen in the show to me. Anyone who isn't just our usual "monster of a week" being a sentimonster is already extremely problematic, brings full of inconsistency and plot holes, but when it's one of the main character, it's even more fucked up.

I agree with everything what @ilikekidsshows said in the tag "Adrien is not a sentimonster" and I've found a post of @gamajun that also perfectly sums up what I think about the whole thing. Read what they say, their posts are written better than I would ever be able to, but I still want to add some other my thoughts.

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Every single sentimonster introduced in season seasons 4 and 5 were nothing more than just a tool in the hands of a peacock Miraculous user, none of them was considered as a real live being, by the characters or the narration, not even Ladybug sentimonster. The characters had some sympathy for her, but that doesn't change the fact that she got killed on screen. If she was a considered as a human being for real, that scenario would have no chance to happen in this show or she would be resurrected like Uncanny Valley. Markov and Aeon are treated much more like persons by the narration than every single sentimonster despite them being robots. So if Adrien, Félix or whoever is something more than just a villain's slave that's needed to be defeated by the heroes, are sentimonsters, that brings two scenarios:

1. Adrien and Félix are not real persons.

2. Adrien and Félix are treated totally differently than any other sentimonsters, and I can't describe that as nothing different than racism. Or all sentimonsters life matter, or none of sentimonsters life matter. You need to decide for one, you can't get both at the same time. It doesn't matter if a sentimonster looks like a human being or is totally abstract monster like Strike Back or Feast, they all are the same specie, the narration should not treat them any differently. But even if, that still doesn't justify that we're seeing them being killed onscreen casually (even by the heroes) continuously and no one cares. You also can't show animals being killed onscreen in a kid show and portrays it like that's not a big deal. This scenario brings a massive moral problem to the show and I have no faith that's going to be addressed correctly, if even.

Félix being a sentimonster is a massive big "no no" to me, no matter if I like him or not. But Adrien being one is the worst scenario I could imagine. He's supposed to be the deuteragonist, though after season 4, I have very strong doubts he really is, seeing how much unfairly the narration is treating him, even favouring Alya over him. The writers weren't super nice for Adrien in seasons 1-3, but S4 brought that to a completely different level. So then him being a sentimonster is making things to him even worse again. Since, as ilikekidsshows said, sentimonsters are magical slaves, they have no free will, no control of their lives. I don't even want to mention all the potential plot holes (like when Miraculer used cataclysm on Chat Noir, why hadn't he gotten berserk) and everything.

The whole time since I've been watching Miraculous, I was looking forward to see Adrien distancing from Gabriel by himself when he finally realizes that he's being abused. With help of others of course, but that's needed to be done by him. If he's a sentimonster, that's scenario has no chance to happen when Gabriel can easily control him as long he has the object with his amok (by the way, if both the twin rings contain amok, I don't get why the Félix one's in Gabriel's wedding ring, that doesn't make sense to me, it should have been in possession of Amélie all the time). Adrien would need to be saved and of course by Marinette.

The thing I hated the most about Gabriel Agreste (episode) was portraying Adrien like a classic princess and Marinette like a knight. Now I see we're supposed to interpret that even more literally than I've imagined before. Since yeah, Adrien being a sentimonster means he is literally like a damsel in distress, who is locked up in a castle somewhere, and no matter what, he can't get control of his own life, until the knight saves him. I'm sure that Adrien and Félix are not going to be magical slaves to the end of their lives, Marinette will find a way how to free them from the power of amok and then they couldn't get controlled by anyone anymore. But that would not be a satisfying way to resolve his story arc. It would ruin it completely.

Adrien being a sentimonster isn't adding any good thing to the show, it only robs us from a great story of how an abused child is freeing himself from an abusing parent in a normal, human way. It's also making me feel betrayed, because as I'm too invested in Adrien, he is my favourite character and I always wanted seeing him getting his beloved freedom without a magical resolution of the problem.

Adrien being a sentimonster only brings a totally unnecessary drama, his life is already tragic enough. We don't need "I'm not real human, my life doesn't matter" angst, he is already sad enough.

And to be fair, I think this show is not always good at angst, most of the time, it's pretty bad at it. See Gang of Secret, that's loved by the majority of the fandom, to me is just a laughable and cheap melodrama I can't take seriously, instead of being a really emotional episode. They also did it with Ladynoir conflict in season 4, that was nothing more than just a drama for the sake of drama, the characters hasn't learnt anything in the process, that hasn't affected the main heroes vs villains plot at all (Gabriel was too much dumbed down to take advantage of it, though he has gotten obvious hints there is something wrong between Ladybug and Chat Noir in Kuro Neko) and that has been resolved in the last scene of the season out of sudden which was another poorly written and bombastic one. And considering how easily Marinette has been sideling Chat Noir and favouring Alya over him, her love towards Adrien stopped being believable. Now that would make more sense if she was in love with Alya, seeing her being totally biased over her best friend and letting her much more than any other Miraculous wielder.

The writers already ruined the Love Square to me, ruining Adrien character is too much to handle.

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1. Adrien and Félix are not real persons.

Adrien being a sentimonster only brings a totally unnecessary drama, his life is already tragic enough. We don't need "I'm not real human, my life doesn't matter" angst, he is already sad enough.

The writers already ruined the Love Square to me, ruining Adrien character is too much to handle.

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Thank you for all the music from Miraculous you are uploading here! Quick question: do you have a Ladybug yo-yo sounds? I can't find anywhere!

Thanks! :) I'm sorry, but I have never tried to rip sound effects and I'm worried that would be hard to rip one specific sound, because they are most probably mixed with some other sfxs and/or background music.

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Can you make fuse all paris miraculous

Do you mean in the canon universe? I'm not in the writing team and we haven't seen any character doing it so far, so no one from the audience can know it for sure. We can only speculate. From what I understood watching Kwamibuster, the more Miraculous one person is using at the same time, the more harming it is for the user. So I think it may be potentially possible, but it should be extremely dangerous and harmful, so I imagine that no one should be magically and very quickly recovered from that like Marinette in the said episode after using only some of them.

Also I wondering it is safe to unify the ladybug and cat Miraculous at the same time even if along with the other ones and can you still make the wish?

I imagine if one will do it, it will be only Marinette and I'm afraid that she would not suffer from that as much she should, because she is the protagonist and she needs to be portrayed as the best superhero and guardian ever (although after the events of season 4 I think that the biggest Fu's mistake was passing the guardian role to her, she is way too immature to be one, seeing how much she is biased towards Alya, giving her and letting her doing everything she wants just because she is her best friend, but of course the narration will do everything to convince us she is a wonderful guardian at the end).

I also can see Gabriel trying to fuse all the Miraculous he has in his possession in the S5 finale and it will end terribly to him, maybe it is going to be that thing that will bring his failure, knowing that the upcoming season will be the last one with him as the (main) villain.

But personally I I'm not sure if I want seeing anyone unifing many (not mentioning all) of the Miraculous. I think that even when Marinette fused only three of them in the S4 finale (ladybug, rabbit and horse) her suit seemed to be somewhat off to me, too many things in one suit and it looked rather ugly (albeit it could be just poor design). Though fusion of only two are cool, I'm angry that Adrien hasn't done any of the unifications in season 4, while Marinette had some, especially since the guardian lost all of the Miraculous except for the main two ones. The writers were so awful to him, despite he is supposed to be the main character like Marinette. Watching season 4 I never felt he indeed is, seeing that even Alya got much more special treatment than him (the writers let her to use the Ladybug Miraculous successfully unlike of him, she got two episodes in those she is the main hero, she replaced him as Ladybug's partner etc.).

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chicoriii · 2 years

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Thanks @familyagrestefanblog for tagging.

Lila and Chloé are obvious choices.

Lila fits the fox Miraculous the most of all Miraculous characters, even much more than Alya. She is made to have the power of illusion. I hope Gabriel will give it her in one of the first S5 episodes and she will use it throughout the whole season. At first I thought Lila to reuse Volpina design, but then everyone will know she is evil and it's to early to knows her true colors for the characters (other than those who knows it already). So she will need new design, unless she will be hidden (but please no).

I want Chloé to get the bee back after watching S4, because well... Zoé is so weak and boring character, she is just another "nice girl" in the show who has very little personality. She has still much more potential. The thing what happened to her in S3 was logical, but in S4 she became a parody of herself, totally one-dimensional evil character and somewhat out of character (I don't believe she is able make Adrien's life totally miserable like in Gabriel Agreste episode). But she still has more potential than her step sister. Potential as evil Miraculous user this time. She and Lila can cooperate at trying to ruin Marinette's life as civilians and Ladybug's life as Miraculous users. That would be so great.

They both obviously hate Ladybug and if Gabriel is not going to try to make use of their anger, he would be even more an idiot.

I don't see how Gabriel can give Gorilla a Miraculous to protect Adrien without letting him discover that he is Hawk Moth. Then I don't see how Gorilla could be all fine with working for a terrorist and letting Adrien to live with him even if he has a Miraculous. I think Miraculous Gabriel has should be used only for evil.

Audrey and Tomoe are good candidates too, but I also want Gabriel to fuse some Miraculous.

Let's make a tagging game of the characters you want to get a miraculous in season 5 and which one!

- Lila finally getting the real Fox Miraculous

- Audrey getting the Bee Miraculous and then ending up giving it to Chloé who gives it back to Ladybug to complete the circle started with her stealing it in the Queens Battle.

- Tomoe Tsurugi getting the Dragon

- I want the Gorilla to get the Ox or some other suitable Miraculous he can effectively protect Adrien with

- Edit: I completely forgot! I want Emilie to come back, getting the Tiger Miraculous to match her son so she can mega punch the fuck out of her husband

Alright let's go! :D

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Season 4, Episode 26 - Réplique (La Dernière Attaque de Papillombre - Partie 2) \ Strike Back (Shadow Moth's Final Attack - Part 2)

I start with my predictions for this episode in the post about Risk: I have mistaken the dog Miraculous with the fox, hahahaha!!! It was because I hadn't paying much attention to the image (since it was a spoiler I didn't want to see), the dog and the fox Miraculous users have very similar orange colors (so really, the dog should have used darker brown color), and I was sure Félix had fox-like tail on the picture. I had to imagine it, since I assumed in advance that he got the fox, there was no other options.

Personally I preferred Risk over Strike Back, that's the first time when I liked the first part of the finale more than the second. Though both episodes were better than the rest of season 4. It's because I'm disappointed by the Shadow Moth's plan. Risk had promised an epic battle, in which Gabriel will do something very risky and unusual to him. But in fact he wasn't risking anything, he only sent a very boring sentimonster, very similar to his first akuma: Stone Heart, who is just mindless monster destroying everything in its path. He wasn't even showed up to the heroes or something, just waiting for Ladybug making a big mistake, he did nothing as himself really. So for what was the whole big travel, confiding his wife's ring and his son to Nathalie like he thought he could die soon. He was overdramatic for nothing. So well, though the battle scenes were not bad at all, there were still better than usual, I was expecting something even bigger, more epic.

But I need to say I really, really loved Risk, this boy was so cute with his bravery. Just look at him. So adorable little frog boy. Now I want a frog Miraculous, please. *_* And I want to see him in the future, but that's probably not gonna happen. And I want to draw him, maybe someday.

It's another time I don't know what to say next, because I have too many thoughts in my head and I'm worried that I will forget about something.

Another thing I didn't like in the episode the most. Nothing has changed, Marinette was still treating Alya like a sacred cow. She didn't learn anything even after discovering that her best friend betrayed her trust, did something related to Miraculous without asking the guardian for the permission AGAIN. She immediately forgave her like nothing happened. I'm sure that if that was any other person, including Chat Noir, her reaction would be totally different. We've seen in the New York special that one Chat's big mistake had made her very angry at him and lost all her trust in him (even if only for a moment). On the other hand, she is showing that Alya can do anything, there woul never be consequenced, Marinette is completely losing the rest of her rationality when it comes to her. Is she really in love with Adrien, isn't Alya love of her life?

"I can't lie to my best friend" blablah, how we are supposed to buy it if Marinette was able to lie to Alya all three seasons and then all of sudden, it became impossible to her in the fourth one? That's not a good excuse that they can't lie to their friends or boyfriends or anyone else. They can, they just don't want, because it's more comfortable. Or they keep in secret what's needed for the greater good, or they should not be superheroes. They can't have a cake and eat it at the same time. Chat Noir also "can't" keep the secret who he is from Ladybug anymore, so why she isn't letting him what she lets her best friend? That's risky because he can be akumatised? Alya can be as well and tell all her secrets to their enemy. Hypocrisy, double standards and favouritism are remain. In previous seasons Marinette was the one who is overly careful, this season a sudden shift in her behavior happened, at least when it involves her best friend. It was reckless Alya who kept her head on straight at the moment. She was aware she can't be a fox Miraculous holder (at least not a permanent one) when Shadow Moth knows she is still active. For Marinette friend favours were still more important than being a responsible guardian. Bravo for Alya, that was the first time this season when she was really noble, unlike Marinette at that moment, she learned her lesson and she understood that there are more important things that having fun as a superheroine. She had to punish herself (giving up on the Miraculous), seeing the guardian was unable to do that. Though being selfish at that moment would actually made things a bit better at the end (they would not lose the fox at least), but the girls had no chance to know that.

But really, I still think Rena Furtive being a permanent Miraculous holder was totally pointless. In all episodes from 18 to 24 we haven't seen her being active even once, so we have no evidences that she was doing anything all that time. It means, Marinette just could have given her the fox when she was needed, like she did with every other Miraculous holder.

I can't believe, Félix was was present in only four episodes in total, but he had achived much more than Gabriel throughout all four seasons. Compared to him, Gabriel looks like a pathetic villain even more. If there was no Félix giving him most of the Miraculous on the silver plate, Gabriel's plan would be a total disaster. Once the frog boy got discovered as an akuma, beating him was quite easy, there was no much problems with the sentimonster as well. It was also so lovely to see Félix blackmailing his uncle that he could say Adrien about his mother being hidden in the basement.

So yeah, as I said in my previous post, Adrien's cousin is too good at evil to appear in many episodes, the main characters would have many more problems then. If only he wanted to be an everyday villain. But it looked like he wasn't interested at getting the ladybug and cat Miraculous, fighting with heroes or whatever more. He just wanted the peacock.

I know what that means. Majority of the fandom is all happy that most probably they all were right that Félix is a sentimonster. I can't deny that we got very hard evidences. He was interested only in the peacock and he said he doesn't need Emilie's ring anymore. So it looks like the ring contains his amok, but since he has the peacock Miraculous, no one could control him, so he's safe.

But personally I still hope it isn't true, as I said before I think any "normal" character being a sentimonster, no matter who, doesn't make sense, it would mean that the sentimonster writing is totally fucked up. The show's narration treats every single other one like a tool, even in this episode Strike Back monsters were thrown into magma and no one cared even for a moment. In one of the previous episodes Chat told that akumas are persons, but not sentimonsters. It doesn't really make sense if every single sentimonster, no matter if it looks like a human being or not, is just a tool, but only this one is different and treated by the narration like a person. If Félix is a sentimonster then it means that we have seen persons being killed on screen casually, also by the heroes, in a kid show. Also I don't want Félix who is now one of my favourite characters to be a one. And some other things give me questions. If the ring contains his amok, Nathalie should have sense that Félix is a sentimonster, and then she could have just transform into Mayura, got the ring, and gain total control over him instead of fighting him. Unless Gabriel wasn't aware that the ring is an amoked object. And it also doesn't look like Amelie is aware that her son is a sentimonster, but how she could if she wasn't gave birth to him, he was created by the magical power? Or why he didn't consider gaining the ladybug and cat Miraculous to get a wish like becoming a real human or a sentimonster who can't be controlled by anyone and erased from the existence? So though we got hard evidences, it doesn't add up fully, but knowing that this show has some major plot holes, it still could be true.

Félix was able to make use of every single information he gained to get what he wants. Gabriel got some "gifts" from Ladybug that he completely missed. If he was smarter, he could have discovered Ladybug's identity or used some of her mistakes against her. Even just after events of S3 finale, he could have noticed that almost all the Miraculous users are from Adrien's class, so instead of telling Optigami to go after teens who had jewels, it could have following other girls to see if one of them is Ladybug. There were other occasions. He discovered that Ladybug and Alya are so close to each other, so when the new ladybug Miraculous user appeared out of nowhere, that wasn't hard to suspect that she could be the same person who was Rena Rouge. But he completely ignored that extremely important information. The same when Cat Walker appeared, and he discovered that there's conflict between Chat Noir and Ladybug. He hasn't even tried to take advantage of the moment when their partnership was so weak.

What he will do next, is he going to remain being a pathetic villain who's wasting most of the occasions to gain any advantage over Ladybug and Chat Noir? He have not only almost all the Miraculous from the Chinese box, but he also know that Ladybug and Rena tricked him, so Alya Cesaire is indeed someone very close to Ladybug. Is he going to finally use that information? Probably not? And what he will plan to do with all these jewels. Knowing him he could be enough crazy to wear them all at once. Or maybe he will try to find more allies, like it's happening in fanfics in which he get access to additional Miraculous. Both Lila and Chloé seems to be perfect candidates. I hope that Lila will get the fox, I think she fits it more than any other character in the show, even Alya.

There's one more thing I'm thinking about. Most probably Félix still has Nathalie's tablet, so if they hadn't copied translation of the grimoire, they don't have access to the information about other Miraculous they could need to use them properly. They are not that stupid to not have have backup of that much important thing, right? And I've checked on the Miraculous Wiki is there's something about when we can expect the start of season 5 and I've seen someone in the comments saying that Gabriel just can use the rabbit to discover the heroes' identities. Yes, but I wonder if he knows about the burrow and how to use it properly? Is there an instruction in the grimoire? Even if yes, from what I remember it was said that Fu hasn't translated everything. Marinette knows how to use burrow thanks to adult Bunnix.

So I wasn't right that Gabriel realized that Félix was pretending to be Adrien in the scene in which "Adrien" said he doesn't want to go on a trip in Risk. But then I don't understand why he started acting weird at some point.

Hyperventilating Ladybug was one of the most serious things that happened in this show ever, it was like she got panic attack. And I just realized that we got one great Ladrien scene this season. I'm not sure, but there weren't any more in S4, right?

All of a sudden, Marinette fully understood how much she was unfair to Chat Noir only because she lost all her other allies. If Félix didn't steal her yoyo, nothing would have changed in her attitude towards him. That wasn't satisfying at all. I don't mean she should have lost him as well, but it would have looked much better if she understood that faster, not when she had no other choice but start treating him like a partner again, not unwanted sidekick. It's not looking really sincerely when Chat Noir is the only one hero who remains. It would feel much better if she chose him as her main partner again when she still had Alya and other options, because she appreciates him.

Adrien is too softhearted and he forgave her everything like it was nothing, and he still sees her as perfection That's not healthy, this boy can be easily used by people he cares about. Though of course, there's no time to hold a grudge. They need to be become better partners than ever before, now when there are no other superheroes anymore but Ladybug and Chat Noir and there are more potential supervillains. Adrien can't be mad at her now even if she deserves it. Saving Paris from the crazy man is more important than his hurt feelings.

Oh, I just realized that Ladybus was all blushing when Chat appeared and there was a thunder rumble. The whole thing felt a lot like the famous final scene from Origins, there was only an umbrella missing. So okay, it looks like it was the moment in which Ladybug felt in love with Chat Noir? It could have been a nice scene, if not that it wasn't believable to me anymore, after all those bad things what have happened between them this season.

Sadly, I didn't like how much melodramatic the end of the episode was and that the Parisians were chanting only Ladybug and Ladybug, like Chat was completely forgotten.

So well, I remember there was a spoiler ages ago that in season 5 Ladybug is going to look for lost Miraculous, now we know what it meant. It wasn't about searching for jewels from other miracle boxes.

I wonder what Su-Han is going to do now. He can't be just a useless jerk anymore, he needs to start helping Marinette like he should have from the start. Knowing him he will try to take away her status of a guardian seeing how incompetent she is, but something will stop him from doing that. And no one should blame him.

And what about Luka, there was nothing explaining why he knows identities of both heroes in the whole season, it was just like it happened only because he is the writers' favourite character. Maybe it would change in season 5, but please do not portray him like a prince on a white horse who will save Marinette and Adrien. I would not stand it, same as her having zero problems with Luka lying to her all the time about that.

What about that thing what Adrien found? I hope it's going to be essential later in season 5 and maybe thanks to it, he will discover that his father is Hawk Moth.

Besides, I noticed that both finale episodes don't have their end cards, I wonder why.

As I said above, I've checked that season 5 is going to premiere this summer, I expected that it will happen this year. But I'm worried that we are going to get the episodes released in even more chaotic order than S4. I hope that at least the first episode will be released as first. I was very worried that I'm not going to watch the next season willingly. Thankfully, this finale gave me hope that S5 is going to be much better, though due to the fact they ruined some important things to me, this show will never be as much liked by me as it was before season 4 started airing.

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Season 4, Episode 25 - Risque (La Dernière Attaque de Papillombre - Partie 1) \ Risk (Shadow Moth's Final Attack - Part 1)

As I said before I do two separate posts about the finale episodes, because writing about them both at once would take too much time and the post would be too long (my posts are already too long, since I'm unable to express all my thoughts in short ones when I have much to say). So remember it's just the Risk episode "review" written before watching Strikes Back.

It seems that everytime I watch season 4 of Miraculous and there's a scene in which Ladybug neglects Chat Noir, I can't stand it and I need to stop watching for a while to calm down. It's always frustrating to see Marinette lying to him casually when they talk about it. Chat Noir is definitely not her favourite, Rena Rouge/Furtive is. She is a total idiot if she is not able to see that she favouring her over every other hero, their "partnership" is over, that means nothing to her anymore, because she prefers Alya and her ego became extremely big since she's the guardian. And I can't stand Adrien not seeing that all these sweet words like "you're my favourite one, you're irreplaceable etc." are not true, her actions say something totally opposite. He had gotten more than enough evidences to see that. His blind love to Ladybug is very unhealthy to him, that's more and more frustrating that he is unable to realize it.

Also Rena is watching after other Miraculous holders, is that means she knows identity of all of them? If yes, no one can say that Marinette is not unfairly favouring her and not because she has no choice, it's just because Alya is her best friend who knows her identity. Rena Furtive existence is not essential, it's just friend favour.

Besides, kissing Chat after all of that what happened between them, even if just in a cheek, was just a dick move, because that she knows he is in love with her, she should not have given him a false hope that he is stil appreciated and wanted as much as before. S4 Marinette is terribly unlikable. I wrote all above that while taking a break from watching the episode and that's just the beginning. :/

Thankfully the rest of the episode is much better. Not only. It's better and more exciting than all of the previous episodes of S4, though still not perfect. And finally I didn't get the impression even for a while that I'm watching a very childish show for preschoolers what happend while seeing some previous episodes (like Psycomedian and even Qilin), but a cartoon targeted for older kids that can be enjoyed by adults as well. Sadly, I'm not able to enjoy everything fully for reasons I write about in later paragraphs.

Gabriel seems to get more and more crazy, though I would only prefer he isn't looking that much like a "generic cartoon villain" with his evils laughs. It seems the fandom theory that using a Miraculous for evil reasons continuously is slowly affecting the user is true. Nathalie isn't affected mentally despite being affected physically, because she hadn't been using the peacock nearly as much as Gabriel is using the butterfly. Maybe using two at once makes the negative effect even stronger and/or faster? Who knows.

No, Gabriel, Ladybug has done some mistakes this season, just the writers make you too stupid to see them and make use of them successfully for the plot armor reasons. Poor villains, they can't be too clever, because protagonists always needs to win. Or have better writers who are able to write plot and characters that way to make villain really clever, but also let protagonists to win.

Despite Gabriel didn't seem to think rational at that moment, he was able to create one of the most dangerous akumas ever, because no one see he is active and affects people's minds. Akumas and/or their actions are usually so flashy, so there's always someone who can easily recognise there's one quickly, but that's not the case this time. The power of Risk is more subtle, though not as much subtle to not starting some strange things happening after a while. However, Ladybug and Chat Noir are too much focused on their own problems to see that. Normal people could not realize, but the heroes should have. Definitely one of the best akumas ever created.

By the way, am I the only one who thinks that the boy is looking a lot like Nino? And his akumatised self is looking like Carapace? The first time I've seen the akuma was after downloading Strike Back episode - in the thumbnail of the video in Windows, and my first thought was "Oh, is it baby Carapace or what?"

So Gabriel decided about the travel, because he plans something big. He also wants to take a risk, not only force Ladybug to do something risky (that's ridiculous to me, because Marinette is taking so much risk with Alya this season and this idiot hadn't noticed), but alone, without help of his assistant. It was just a excuse to take Adrien and Nathalie outside of Paris, to make them safe. Is he also afraid of Lila messing up and this is why he sends her to the trip as well? He plans something big to the point that takes into account that he could get killed/arrested/disappeared/something else if he won't get successful. Putting Emilie's ring on Nathalie's finger was a big thing to him. Are the writers trying to foreshadow that Gabenath is going to become canon? I have no idea what to think about that.

Finally, finally Lila is in action! I can't forgive that she had been ignored the whole season until the end of it, but I'm happy seeing she is doing something. Also finally we've seen how Lila and Adrien's interactions are looking like after the events of Ladybug episode. Just in time. :/ He pretends he doesn't mind her for others, but without trying to be nice to her. Good. And thankfully, Lila and Chloé are really collaborate against Marinette. It's good to see that it's going somewhere, unlike some other things that appeared to be important.

Thanks to Risk we have confirmation that Adrien indeed hates modelling, yes? Personally I thought all this time that it's not an ideal activity for him, but he tolerates it.

In this episode we got the first one really essential Adrienette scene that maybe could help at developing their relationship. I say "maybe", because knowing this season, we can never be sure if something what happened is indeed important or is to going to be forgotten later. S4 shows even more than before that the writers have problem with the plot continuity. Normally, I would have been be super happy with all Adrienette scenes, since it really looked like a huge step in their relationship. Marinette is the first person whom he told what he really thinks about people's expectations towards him, even if it was because of the akuma, that happened and it would not be forgotten after Ladybug cure, right? It would have been perfect to me if it was season 2 or 3 episode, but season 4 destroyed the relationship between them in their masked selves. It went way too far to the point I can't enjoy Adrienette scenes like before. They are the same people after all, it's still Marinette treating Adrien like she doesn't care about him much. It doesn't matter that she isn't aware that he is Chat, I can't believe she loves Adrien anymore. Adrien claims he is in love with Ladybug only, but he isn't treating Marinette any worse than her, he appreciates them both equally, he thinks as much high about them both.

Are Nino and Adrien really that close to each other? He is amongs those who don't see real Adrien's feelings. Hasn't he seen this sad boy on TV? But even if not, he should have realized that something is wrong with his friend, that he isn't really happy. Kagami and even Félix of all people see that! Oh, Kagami, I know why I love her. At this moment I even wanted her to know he is Chat Noir and know everything about the heroes relationship to make him realize that his love to Ladybug is not good to him, that she isn't worth him. Though I'm against other people knowing identities of the main superheroes. Now, at least.

I'm not surprised that all the classmates think that Marinette wants to stop Adrien from leaving Paris only for her selfish reasons. I can see Alya salters being so salty that she still believes that Lila is an innocent angel. ;) I became an Alya salter this season too, but for completely different reasons. I'm not going to blame her for this, from her point of view, it makes sense that Marinette is just jealous of Lila to the point she is ready to destroy his trip. It's not like she hasn't done something similar before (see Backwarder).

Félix, I love this guy more and more with his every appearance. He shows again that he's more clever than Gabriel. This is why he can not be everyday villain, then the main characters would have too much trouble and they would need even harder plot armor. ;) Though it seems, it might change in season 5.

I wonder what type of technology Félix was using, because there should be a reason why Adrien found it. At first I thought it's recording things what Félix is seeing while wearing it, but that's probably too early for Adrien to discover that Gabriel is Shadow Moth and he's hiding his mother in the basement. Or maybe he is going discover it much later, at the end of season 5. I assume that butterfly and peacock Miraculous Félix found are fake ones (but why would Gabriel have placed them there?), but he is going to make use of knowledge in stolen tablet for sure. Or maybe they weren't fake? I just recently rewatched a scene in which Félix is trying to say he doesn't want to go and I realized that Gabriel probably noticed that it's not Adrien, it's Félix, because he doesn't have the ring which his son is wearing all the time. At least that's how I interpret this. So then Gabriel could have find occasion to take Miraculous (and the tablet?) back. I'm not sure now, so I will see in the next episode.

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Since I have seen something which is most probably a big spoiler from Strike Back, I have some assumptions what could happen in the second part of the S4 finale and I write it here, so you and I can see if I'm right or not (but please, don't tell me!!!). Beware of the spoilers if you haven't seen the next episode yet.

It was a video of Olchuś (the best known Polish Miraculous influencer, who is known outside of my country as well), I have blocked his channel on YouTube, because titles and thumbnails of his videos are full of spoilers and cheap clickbaits (and I don't like watching them anyway), but that hasn't stopped Google from showing it to me, just not in my YouTube recommendation, but in feed on my smartphone. :/ Of course I hadn't clicked on the video, but its thumbnail features Félix transformed into the fox Miraculous self and its title says something like "Marinette was betrayed" (I don't remember exactly). From what I remember it was before Strike Back aired, so it's probably spoiler for it, not season 5. Back then I assumed that Alya will be totally reckless like usual, so Félix will steal the Miraculous from her so easily. But now it looks like it will happen because of Risk. I was hopping to finally see Marinette and Alya suffering consequences of their careless actions. But no, it seems it's going to be portrayed like Alya has done nothing wrong, she is just a victim of the akuma's power, so everything is okay. Alya is good, Marinette is good, no lessons for them. :( I would be happy to be wrong.

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Did Strike Back get leaked?

Strike Back is going to be officially aired tomorrow from what I know, but I just seen some fanfics with spoilers for that episode on AO3, thankfully all with warnings. So I assume it got leaked earlier like Penalteam and Risk, right? I don't follow Miraculous news for months and I try to avoid all the spoilers completely.

Well, even if not, it looks like I need to start take a break from scrolling through AO3 right now until I see both episodes and that's not going to happen this week definitely.

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Season 4, Episode 24 - Penalteam

Thankfully I managed to see Penalteam today and I was shocked that this time there was no problem with subtitle synchronisation, I didn't have to shift times even once. :) It should not be a long post again, because there are not many things to comment really.

The thing that payed my attention the most in Penalteam was its animation. It looks like an episode animated by SAMG, there're only few done by that studio for season 4 and I'm 99,9% sure this one is one of them. It's definitely the best looking episode of this season and one of the best in history of this show. The animation is very dynamic (no wonder since it's sport-themed episode), colors are so vivid and beautiful. The effect is even stronger to me since I've just seen Qilin yesterday that looks horrible in comparison, especially colors are so bland.

There's one more reason why I enjoyed the animation the most in this episode, its main theme is not my thing at all. Literally almost the whole episode was a football match and I dislike it. I'm even sick of it, since it's the most popular sport in many countries, including Poland, it's discussed everywhere, especially during the biggest events. That's the only sport which is constantly extremely popular in my country, no matter how good Polish national team, that's not very successful since... I know? 40 years? Or more? I know we have Robert Lewandowski and few other great players, but the team doesn't belong to the greatest in the world or Europe since decades, from what I've heard Polish football clubs are also very weak compared to the best ones in the world. Personally I can't stand watching one full football match, it always bores me too much, so I could not find this episode interesting as well. So this is why I don't know how to comment plot of this episode since it was mostly a football match. Great animated, but it's just a match of a sport I don't enjoy.

I also noticed that hand-drawn artworks are definitely made in the artstyle referring to Captain Tsubasa, though I don't remember if I've seen a single episode of it (and of course I haven't read the manga). But since it's one of the first anime that has been ever aired in Poland in 90s, it's a iconic series in my country and I've seen people mentioning it so many times. It's possible I've seen some of it, as I was born in early 90s, but I really don't remember. Though I remember seeing my two older sisters watching Sailor Moon in 90s (also one of the first aired and one of the most popular ever anime in Poland) when I was very little, too little to enjoy it myself.

As I mentioned, I've seen the end card when looking for the episode, so I knew it features all the heroes minus Bunnix and Rena. I wasn't totally surprised, as I've heard that all the remaining superhereos are going to debut this season except for Bunnix months ago, but I thought it was just a rumour, since I didn't believe there are enough episodes to show them all. I never expected they would introduce four new heroes in one episode. That's terrible decision in my opinion. That's extremely for these characters that their introduction was so rushed, there was no time to show their superpowers properly, not even transformation sequences. Everything was too chaotic and happened way too fast to enjoy it. They all deserve their own episodes like other characters, especially Sabrina. I always thought that she should get the dog Miraculous in a episode about her in which she will start distant from Chloé. Someone from writing team has promised in an interview before S4 started airing that Sabrina and Chloé's toxic behavior is going to be addressed in the show, so a such episode should be created. I'm especially angry because of the dog, I was curious of the power of this Miraculous along with the tiger the most. Also Barkk is one of my favourite Kwami, I wanted to see her first interaction with Sabrina showed in a proper way and more screentime with her. They ruined introduction of four heroes, it's another big thing they handled terribly in season 4. I don't think these heroes are going to get more attention in season 5, seeing that Ryuuko hasn't gotten even her full transformation sequence. This season heroes introduced in seasons 2 and 3 are more in the background, except for Rena and Viperion.

I have no idea how it could be possible that Adrien knows nothing about football. Is there a country in Europe in which it is a not very popular sport? I don't think so. I'm pretty sure football is a big thing in France as well. Being sheltered and homeschooled for the most the life is not a reason to know anything about thing as much well-known around the world. That's impossible. Adrien wasn't kept in the cellar without access to the TV or the internet. Sports like rugby or baseball aren't popular in my country, but I know something about them thanks to American movies. And hey, I just remembered something. Weren't Ladybug and Chat Noir playing football using Miracle Box as a ball in Furious Fu and wasn't Chat score a goal? So that thing was not only stupid but also inconsistent with thing that happened before. All the more, there's no way Adrien could not know the most basic rules of this sport.

Another Chloé's akumatised form, really? But maybe she is not going to be willing akumatised anymore, because it seems she's starting seeing power gotten from Shadow Moth's as weak and useless.

And finally Lila has gotten a speaking role this season! Almost the whole season of silence and suddenly they remembered that she is supposed to be a bad girl who is plotting against Marinette all the time. In S3 it's been shown that Lila is doing her evil things throughout the whole season, in this one she has been completely ignored when she was useless for the plot. I hated that, especially that at the end of S3 she made a deal with Adrien that hasn't been mentioned even once after Ladybug episode. But of course since Marinette wasn't directly involved in that, it wasn't that much important to show consequences of it. :/ I hope this time Lila and Chloé will make a deal that will go somewhere and she will be active again finally. I miss Lila's evildoing, really.

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Something not related to the episode, but I can't help myself. Today I saw Polish premiere dates of the second half of season 4 that's going to start at the end of this month and I noticed that Hack-san will be aired on the 1st of April. There could not be a better day for the premiere for that episode, since Hack-san is the biggest joke in the history of this show. It's just a shame that totally unfunny. Good job, Disney Channel Polska. ;)

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Season 4, Episode 20 - Qilin

It's been quite some time after premiere of Qilin and Penalteam, but as I've said before, I was waiting for the French premiere of last four episodes of season 4, since I completely dislike the English dub and I prefer to avoid watching this show in that language if I can. I started with Qilin, though Penalteam was aired a week earlier in France. I was planning to wait for Qilin release anyway, but since the war in Ukraine started, following the content about it and related to it takes quite much of my time everyday, sometimes more, sometimes less (though mostly I watch or rather listen to YouTube videos during doing something else). In few first days I was unable to concentrate on watching the show anyway. The war is in my neighbouring country and it also affects my own one a lot. Remember that Ukrainians are fighting not only for independence of their country, they are fighting for the Europe and the whole world. Poland isn't as safe as we all thought before, despite we're in both NATO and EU unlike Ukraine. Putin must be stopped for the safety of all us.

I don't know French, but I have one simple trick to get subtitles to watch the remaining episodes in language of my choice. I just rip the subtitle files from the Hulu releases. They including the American scripts of course, so they're are not ideal, but that's better than nothing. Besides Hulu is using different frame rate (23.976 fps) than other releases like Disney+ or TFOU's service (25 fps). Simple changing frame rates of subtitles isn't working ideal, I still need to manually shift time while watching, but that's not a big problem. I'm still glad that I found a solution, so I'm not forced to watch the dub that annoys me. ;)

Unfortunately, there was a problem with the French video of Qilin I got that's ripped from the TFOU's service. For some reasons there are few minutes missing, two fragments got cut. I noticed it thanks to the subtitles, since at some point text stopped to correspond to the video. Still it took some time to figure out why. I suppose something went wrong during uploading the video on the site. One of the early S4 episodes also got corrupted there. So well, since I hadno other choice than watching these missing minutes in English, I can say I don't change my opinion, I still think that the American dub is so awful, soulless and so generic. Only Shadow Moth voice was okay to me. Sorry.

And you know what? I have no idea what to say about this episode, so this post should be one of the shortest and the weakest one I have written about season 4. The first part of it was quite nice, but the second one when the ticket drama started was way too absurd to me. I hate when the plot of this show is that stupidly exaggerated. It reminded me Mega Leech that's one of the worst S4 episodes in my opinion for its absurd plot that felt more like a episode of Peppa Pig or another show for preschoolers than targeted for older kids.

It was really nice to see Sabine's everyday routine and all. That she is better organised than Marinette, but also we've seen what Marinette has from her mother. That was unexpected that Sabine is interested at art like her (though totally different type). I'm also surprised that she has a job outside of working at the bakery. If I got a chance I would be interested at getting some Chinese painting classes as well. It was also surprising to see Lila there, it seems that's her biggest this season till now (remember that I haven't seen Penalteam nor Risk yet, maybe she got any speaking role in any of them, I don't know yet). I don't think it's going to be significant for the plot, but I very like the fact we've seen that Lila has life outside of being a bad girl, there's something that interests her in positive way.

But there's one thing that bothers me. Sabine has been portrayed totally one-dimensional. She's another way too much idealised character, too noble, she is also too ideal mother. She hadn't done anything even a little wrong in the entire episode. I don't like characters without a weak points, they are so boring. So yeah, Sabine is a good mother, but she's not a type of character I can care about much.

Despite that I thought it's going to be a decent episode until that ticket accident happened. I don't want to comment how stupid it was that they started to treat Sabine like a terrorist just because she had no ticket or a wallet with her for a moment. Besides the akuma battle could in my top 5 the worst this season and I don't want to waste my time to write anything about that as well. So unfortunately, the whole second half of the episode was much worse than the first one. Not nearly as bad to me as some of other this season's episodes, just stupidly absurd (that happens from time to time in all seasons) and boring. Not to mention this is another episode without Adrien (as civilian) and Plagg at all, and since I lost most of my sympathy for Marinette throughout S4, this episode has not much to offer for me generally.

I wonder if was that said before that Chat Noir's umbrella is a magical weapon? I don't remember that. It looks like one, since it seems to be completely indestructible. I remember that umbrella appeared once only to protect against rain (but I have no idea in which episode, since I don't rewatch any since Hack-san). I thought it was just a one-time thing to make another reference to the famous umbrella scene. If it's a new Chat's skill, why wasn't it properly introduced? Geez, that's another thing this season that appeared out of nowhere without explaining how. It makes this season feels incomplete like we're missing something.

Also I have a feeling it was the ugliest episode this season. Looking at the picture below just hurts (pay attention at Marinette's eyes and the shading). Although generally I think the animation quality of S4 is better than seasons 2 and 3, not a lot, but still. And at least I like Qilin design and especially her color scheme.

In France the whole season finale is going to be aired this weekend, at 13rd March, so thankfully just one day after the international premiere of Strike Back. I would prefer to see both episodes as fast as possible because I'm worried about spoilers (I've already accidentaly seen something big in my mobile's Google feed and I hate that, I'm not saying what in this post, because it could be read by someone who tries to avoid spoilers like me, I can't be sure if it's a spoiler for any of the finale's episode, but it should be). And mostly because I still read Miraculous fanfics and I'm sure that after premiere of Strike Back there are going to be post-S4 fics with spoilers in the tags and/or summary without warning on AO3. That always happen after premiere of big episodes those bring a lot of emotion in the fandom. I plan to stop scrolling through AO3 to search for any interesting fic after premiere of Strike Back in the USA until I see the finale, but I don't want that to take too long. But definitely I'm not going to watch both episodes in one day and I plan to write two separate posts, because since it's the finale, I expect that I'm gonna to have many things to say about both of them. It would most probably take too much time to do it in one day, knowing my writing speed which is rather slow, especially not in my native language (I don't mean typing speed, that's not too bad when using computer keyboard, but thinking what to write and how to create sentences is another story), and I always takes breaks. Because of that I hope I will be able to watch Penalteam before Sunday, maybe even tomorrow. I've also seen spoilers from this episode, including its final card which is extremely spoilery. :/ At least I know that should be more interesting than Qilin and more plot focused, so I feel I'm a bit more willing to watch it soon.

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