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kopykunoichi · 3 hours
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I didn't mean that it was Omega's escape alone that sets back the research. It's going to be what happens at the end of this season. It can reasonably be assumed that the midi-chlorian donors are all the Jedi killed in Order 66. I am 99% sure that's who is in the vault at Mt. Tantiss. I'm also quite sure that the Bad Batch is going to blow up all those Jedi bodies and the entire facility at Mt. Tantiss in the finale. The Emperor will then have to spend the next 24 years hunting down all the escaped Jedi and force sensitives in the galaxy to use in his experiments. We know that sometime during that era, he'll be able to make at least one quasi-successful clone body (the one he transfers his consciousness to when Vader kills his OG body in RoTJ). But those clone bodies have no longevity, because when we see him in TRoS, he's falling apart.
We know from the dialogue in The Mandalorian that Pershing is having trouble transferring the midi-chlorians to new bodies and his test subjects keep dying. He had some success with Grogu's transfer, though, which is why they're so desperate to recapture him. Obviously, their resources are extremely limited after the Empire is defeated.
All this leads me to believe that they don't ever get what they need from Omega, and Nala Se is probably going to take the secrets of Omega's genetic engineering to her grave. That, PLUS losing their primary source of midi-chlorian donors, is what will set back Palpatine's research decades. The Bad Batch will be solidified in the annals of history as having a lasting impact on the galaxy, even though we know that eventually Palpatine will succeed, only to be destroyed once and for all by his own granddaughter, who is not a Skywalker because Ben never had a chance to put a ring on it because JJ Abrams is a coward.
Refresher for the people still confused about this...
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In a galaxy far, far away, EVERYONE has midi-chlorians in their blood. The Force resides in all living things. It binds the whole galaxy together. Midi-chlorians are what allow beings to commune with the Force. The more midi-chlorians you have, the more potential you have to RESPOND TO and WIELD the Force. But notice that Asajj couches her statement with the line that those with a higher m-count were "believed" to be more capable of wielding the Force. There's a correlation, but it's not necessarily the only factor (see Sabine Wren).
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This is the moment where the clones literally become stand-ins for the fans.
"What? If you can use the Force, you're a Jedi!"
No. If you can use the Force, you can use the Force. To use it as a Jedi uses it, you have to train as a Jedi. To use it as a Sith uses it, you have to train as a Sith. To use it like a Nightsister, you have to train as a Nightsister. Or you can get some rudimentary instruction and decide how you want to use it.
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Jango Fett didn't have a high m-count, so his clones didn't either. But Omega and the rest of the Batch were special cases. As Cut said, the Kaminoans create with a purpose. Their deviations were intentional. Hunters abilities have always suggested he had a higher m-count than the others. But Omega's ability to perceive things before they happen (her bad feelings are nearly always spot on) and her affinity with animals have always been hints that her m-count is a little higher.
(Will update with screen grabs when I get them)
At the end of the episode, Omega asks Ventress if she has a high m-count.
Ventress: *looking at her nails* From what I've seen...no.
Omega: Then why is the Empire after me?
Ventress: Believe it or not, I don't know everything. But seeing as how a high m-count would make you a target, consider yourself lucky.
Omega: But I'm already a target.
Wrecker: Don't worry about it, kid. We'll figure it out. C'mon, let's get some chow.
Omega: *sigh* Thanks for trying.
Once they're out of earshot...
Crosshair: You're lying.
Ventress: About which part?
Hunter: You tell us.
Ventress: If Omega did have that potential, she'd have to be trained. Which would mean leaving you behind.
Hunter: That's not happening.
Ventress: What you want is irrelevant. The fact is, the Empire is after her, and they won't stop. If I were you, I'd leave this place. You're not as safe as you think you are. Our business is done.
Crosshair: I still can't figure out which side you're on.
Ventress: My own.
Okay, so Ventress is clearly not telling the truth about the m-count, which we know, because we've already seen Omega's charts. I really don't understand why people keep taking Ventress at her word here. We know better, and so do Crosshair and Hunter. My guess is that she's trying to protect Omega because she knows firsthand what it's like to be taken from your family and trained as a young girl.
We know that when Omega was at Tantiss, she was receiving transfusions of blood with midi-chlorians the same as all the other clones (harvested from the dead Jedi they're undoubtedly holding in the vault). They were taking her blood samples, but Nala Se kept throwing them away because she knew Omega would retain the higher midi-chlorian levels and she didn't want Hemlock to know that. The Emperor needs a clone that will maintain a high m-count so he can eventually get himself a new body. We know he does get that body, but not for decades - presumably because a) he never gets Omega, and b) the Batch is gonna take the fight to them at Tantiss and blow up their entire supply of midi-chlorian donors. Think about it - they're still working on Project Necromancer in The Mandalorian (24 years after The Bad Batch), but their resources are severely limited. The Empire has been all but wiped out, the Emperor is hiding out on Exegol, Dr. Pershing is clearly no Hemlock since he keeps killing his test subjects, and Grogu seems to be the only m-count donor they can get their hands on. The Emperor's cloned body is also deteriorating rapidly in TRoS, which suggests that even 25 years after The Mandalorian, he STILL hasn't figured out the right formula for cloning himself (which is good news for Grogu and Omega).
Which brings us back to the question, "Is Omega Force sensitive?"
The answer is, "yes", she is sensitive to the Force due to her elevated m-count. We've seen this all along. Hunter most likely is, too, and maybe some of the other Bad Batchers, to varying degrees. Tech could riot race, which takes incredible reflexes. Hemlock said that Crosshair didn't have a high m-count, and we don't know where Wrecker's abilities stem from. Omega can't wield the Force because she is untrained, but the potential is there. A person's aptitude to wield the Force seems to be strongly correlated to their m-count, but we've seen others with low aptitude eventually open the door to the Force with years of training and a decent dose of impending doom (we see this clearly with Sabine in Ahsoka, but it was also a topic in Legends).
Omega being Force sensitive doesn't mean that she has to leave her brothers. She can choose to pursue her training or not. She'd also have to find someone willing to train her. I'm not convinced Ventress is looking to take on any apprentices at the moment, but she could possibly connect Omega to Quinlan Voss (imagine the trouble those two would get up to).
But I don't think Omega will choose that path. One, it would just make her a bigger target. Two, I don't see her prioritizing power over family. She's a clone, and clones are ALL about family. They're Mando coded, not Jedi coded. Screw the space Buddhist lifestyle - clones parade their attachments around like trophies. Omega goes around collecting attachments like most kids collect rocks..."Hello, stranger trying to kill me, let's be besties."
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kopykunoichi · 8 hours
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Logged on to Facebook this morning to find that someone had made a meme of my poll. 🤣
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kopykunoichi · 8 hours
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Okay for the purposes of the upcoming celebration I need to know what a “rare clone” would be defined as. (Because for some reason I didn’t think my beloved was a rare clone 🤣)
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kopykunoichi · 12 hours
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Tired cat father Rex means so much to me you don’t even know
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kopykunoichi · 14 hours
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Exactly. I wonder if they're going to hash some of this out in "Identity Crisis" next week. But also, CX-2 Tech might be having a similar identity crisis.
So. I think Omega is force sensitive with the potential to be trained because otherwise why even bring it up? And I think that it will be relevant that the boys now, and especially Hunter, now know that when she doesn't.
But I don't think that we're actually going to see Omega leave to get trained. I think she'll consider it. She might even decide to do it. But I think in the end she'll choose to stay with the Batch. Look at the rest of the show - its all been about sticking through tough times with your community, loyalty and belonging with your family, the efforts to bring the batch back together.
Specifically I'm thinking of Tribe too. Gungi was our last featured force sensitive character, and he gets returned to Kashyyyk because "Jedi or not, he's still a child. He needs his people." We get that line from the elder, "When a young one leaves the trees weep, but when they return the trees sing." It doesn't sound like a show that eventually plans to have Omega leave her family that she's tried so hard to stay with.
(And isn't it interesting with that quote that the tree Ventress sends her to is the "weeping" maya tree?)
Much like the first two seasons push to reunite the family fall flat if Tech is dead for good and we never see the family together, Omega leaving in the end would utterly obliterate most of the central theme that the first two seasons spent all that time setting up. It turns from a family fighting to stay together to a story about how Omega really needed to separate from them all along for everyone's own good. It's a complete dissonance from every other theme that we've seen, and I just don't think they set up that you need to stick together with your people to survive just to use season 3 to knock it all back down and say that actually isolation and permanent separation from your loved ones is the way to go.
So why introduce the idea? Because for Omega's choice to stay to have any weight, she needs a viable alternative that she could have chosen. She needs to see another path at all, maybe even needs to think she's going to choose it at first, but I think that in the end she's going to return to the batch and to the family that she's grown so much with.
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kopykunoichi · 1 day
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I 100% had this same thought earlier today. Please, Jennifer.
Imagine how much 3x10 “Identity Crisis” would pack a punch if both Omega and Tech were having identity crises!
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kopykunoichi · 1 day
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That's what happened. It's taken me all day to slowly acclimate to the idea...but I gotta say, it's growing on me.
Bb spoliers
The fandom really saw two deeply distrusting, broken, sarcastic and sassy individuals who secretly like kids and thought:
Yes
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kopykunoichi · 1 day
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Anyway simply having midichlorians doesn't mean you can just tinkerbell your way into being a Jedi. Nearly 50 years of clear lore is not thrown out just because Filoni made one stupid retcon.
Correct. Part of the problem with Star Wars canon is that it constantly centers around all these Force sensitive characters who literally do just that, though. This isn't a Filoni thing (and he has very little to do with The Bad Batch writing); it started with Lucas and has continued with the Disney writers. These characters have no training, but they think a happy little thought, sprinkle some fairy dust, reach out with their feelings, and in one try, BAM...hit a small exhaust port, spin their way through a dogfight and blow up a command ship, do a Jedi mind trick, or force throw someone 50 feet.
What I actually found refreshing in this episode was that they confirmed Omega had an elevated m-count, but that didn't mean she could automatically just start doing outrageous things. Ventress made it clear she would need to be TRAINED to be able to become a Jedi (or any other iteration of force user). Ventress also suggested she was holding back, which might be due to her prolonged captivity or fear of learning the truth. Ventress even warned her she might not like the answer if she did find out for sure. Omega is clearly not herself after Tantiss, and Ventress seemed to be trying to protect her from the added pressure that knowledge would bring her.
That said, Omega has shown signs of being sensitive to the nudges of the Force from season one, but she does it instinctually. In the same way, Hunter has heightened senses, and Tech has heightened reflexes (Faster). Crosshair doesn't have an elevated m-count according to Hemlock, and who knows about Wrecker...but their genetic deviations were definitely intentional enhanced.
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kopykunoichi · 1 day
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Yummy
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Been a while since I last drew him ❦
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They never miss an opportunity to remind us that he's missing, which still makes me think that he's not entirely gone.
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First I was just fawning over this moment. Three handsome young soldiers in the golden light of sunset, serious, stern, attractive. I'd melt.
But then I noticed thre is a very empty gap between Hunter and Crosshair and it leads me to only think that Tech should be there.
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kopykunoichi · 2 days
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Refresher for the people still confused about this...
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In a galaxy far, far away, EVERYONE has midi-chlorians in their blood. The Force resides in all living things. It binds the whole galaxy together. Midi-chlorians are what allow beings to commune with the Force. The more midi-chlorians you have, the more potential you have to RESPOND TO and WIELD the Force. But notice that Asajj couches her statement with the line that those with a higher m-count were "believed" to be more capable of wielding the Force. There's a correlation, but it's not necessarily the only factor (see Sabine Wren).
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This is the moment where the clones literally become stand-ins for the fans.
"What? If you can use the Force, you're a Jedi!"
No. If you can use the Force, you can use the Force. To use it as a Jedi uses it, you have to train as a Jedi. To use it as a Sith uses it, you have to train as a Sith. To use it like a Nightsister, you have to train as a Nightsister. Or you can get some rudimentary instruction and decide how you want to use it.
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Jango Fett didn't have a high m-count, so his clones didn't either. But Omega and the rest of the Batch were special cases. As Cut said, the Kaminoans create with a purpose. Their deviations were intentional. Hunters abilities have always suggested he had a higher m-count than the others. But Omega's ability to perceive things before they happen (her bad feelings are nearly always spot on) and her affinity with animals have always been hints that her m-count is a little higher.
(Will update with screen grabs when I get them)
At the end of the episode, Omega asks Ventress if she has a high m-count.
Ventress: *looking at her nails* From what I've seen...no.
Omega: Then why is the Empire after me?
Ventress: Believe it or not, I don't know everything. But seeing as how a high m-count would make you a target, consider yourself lucky.
Omega: But I'm already a target.
Wrecker: Don't worry about it, kid. We'll figure it out. C'mon, let's get some chow.
Omega: *sigh* Thanks for trying.
Once they're out of earshot...
Crosshair: You're lying.
Ventress: About which part?
Hunter: You tell us.
Ventress: If Omega did have that potential, she'd have to be trained. Which would mean leaving you behind.
Hunter: That's not happening.
Ventress: What you want is irrelevant. The fact is, the Empire is after her, and they won't stop. If I were you, I'd leave this place. You're not as safe as you think you are. Our business is done.
Crosshair: I still can't figure out which side you're on.
Ventress: My own.
Okay, so Ventress is clearly not telling the truth about the m-count, which we know, because we've already seen Omega's charts. I really don't understand why people keep taking Ventress at her word here. We know better, and so do Crosshair and Hunter. My guess is that she's trying to protect Omega because she knows firsthand what it's like to be taken from your family and trained as a young girl.
We know that when Omega was at Tantiss, she was receiving transfusions of blood with midi-chlorians the same as all the other clones (harvested from the dead Jedi they're undoubtedly holding in the vault). They were taking her blood samples, but Nala Se kept throwing them away because she knew Omega would retain the higher midi-chlorian levels and she didn't want Hemlock to know that. The Emperor needs a clone that will maintain a high m-count so he can eventually get himself a new body. We know he does get that body, but not for decades - presumably because a) he never gets Omega, and b) the Batch is gonna take the fight to them at Tantiss and blow up their entire supply of midi-chlorian donors. Think about it - they're still working on Project Necromancer in The Mandalorian (24 years after The Bad Batch), but their resources are severely limited. The Empire has been all but wiped out, the Emperor is hiding out on Exegol, Dr. Pershing is clearly no Hemlock since he keeps killing his test subjects, and Grogu seems to be the only m-count donor they can get their hands on. The Emperor's cloned body is also deteriorating rapidly in TRoS, which suggests that even 25 years after The Mandalorian, he STILL hasn't figured out the right formula for cloning himself (which is good news for Grogu and Omega).
Which brings us back to the question, "Is Omega Force sensitive?"
The answer is, "yes", she is sensitive to the Force due to her elevated m-count. We've seen this all along. Hunter most likely is, too, and maybe some of the other Bad Batchers, to varying degrees. Tech could riot race, which takes incredible reflexes. Hemlock said that Crosshair didn't have a high m-count, and we don't know where Wrecker's abilities stem from. Omega can't wield the Force because she is untrained, but the potential is there. A person's aptitude to wield the Force seems to be strongly correlated to their m-count, but we've seen others with low aptitude eventually open the door to the Force with years of training and a decent dose of impending doom (we see this clearly with Sabine in Ahsoka, but it was also a topic in Legends).
Omega being Force sensitive doesn't mean that she has to leave her brothers. She can choose to pursue her training or not. She'd also have to find someone willing to train her. I'm not convinced Ventress is looking to take on any apprentices at the moment, but she could possibly connect Omega to Quinlan Voss (imagine the trouble those two would get up to).
But I don't think Omega will choose that path. One, it would just make her a bigger target. Two, I don't see her prioritizing power over family. She's a clone, and clones are ALL about family. They're Mando coded, not Jedi coded. Screw the space Buddhist lifestyle - clones parade their attachments around like trophies. Omega goes around collecting attachments like most kids collect rocks..."Hello, stranger trying to kill me, let's be besties."
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kopykunoichi · 2 days
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I think there’s a good possibility of some clone survivor bases/colonies remaining after TBB, especially since in Rebels, Rex, Wolffe, and Gregor seem to safeguard the locations of a lot of Outer Rim assets (which I personally like to think are mostly run by clones) off of the Empire’s radar:
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Wolffe also says they know the locations of remote Mandalorian bases that “…even they’ve forgotten about”:
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Which makes me think of how Lucasfilm somewhat recently recanonized Kyrimorut as a location (a Mandalorian refuge from the Empire for clone trooper deserters and Jedi in Legends) in Mando Season 3. I wonder if Kyrimorut is one of the bases he was referring to?
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kopykunoichi · 2 days
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His gasp, though. 🤣
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STAR WARS: THE BAD BATCH | 3.09 THE HARBINGER
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kopykunoichi · 2 days
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Got him
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I say we give her a chance.
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kopykunoichi · 2 days
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Ventress obviously didn't need to take his hand, but I love that she took it anyway. Quinlan was such a good influence. I wonder if they're still together. We saw his name on the wall in Kenobi, so he's probably still alive.
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kopykunoichi · 2 days
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Except...
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He had more reason to hate her than the other three.
I just know that Echos 501st ARC ass would have sat himself down on a rock and kicked his feet up the second that Hunter, Wrecker and Crosshair decided they want to fight Ventress.
He's like been there, done that. have fun getting your ass wooped.
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