Unpopular fanbase opinion: Luke and Julie feels a little like twilight in terms of the age gap (if luke wasn't dead he would be 45 the same way Edward is like 100 and something in twilight but looks 17/18)
I mean to be fair, Luke is genuinely 17 and he was more frozen in time than anything so it’s not Twilight levels of Bad™️ but there’d absolutely be such a weird disconnect between Julie and the boys. Coz the guys are like 5 years younger than Ray is, their childhoods would literally be closer to her father’s than Julie’s herself. Literally depending on backstories and school structures, it’s not impossible for Ray to have gone to elementary school with Luke. And if being a ghost isn’t a dealbreaker, that’s gotta be one.
But also like beyond that, the age gap is yikes to me anyway. Coz even without the context of Charlie being five years older than Madi, the timeline makes their age gap Concerning as a Brit. Coz if it’s the March timeline like I believe, Julie’s a freshman/year 10 and Luke’s going into senior year/upper sixth. The ‘intended’ August/September timeline isn’t much better for me, coz that would still be someone who’s barely a sophomore/y11 dating a senior. And in Britain, we tend to have a very strong taboo against people in high school dating anyone even just a year below them, so that age gap makes me viscerally uncomfortable
And then there’s the wildcard: the Leo!Luke timeline they hinted at with that old Instagram post. Because in Leo!Luke, Julie’s a freshman going into sophomore/y11 and Luke….. had already graduated. Because if Luke’s supposed to be a Leo, the show took place at summer school and he would have finished his senior year a couple months before he died. And the idea of a graduate going after a freshman is Very Gross to me.
Tl;dr, it certainly aren’t as bad as the Twilight age gap, but it definitely isn’t great
Carlos realises that Reggie likes watching YouTube so whenever he goes to school he just “happens” to leave his laptop open on a playlist he thinks Reggie would like
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Just love thinking about how the band is never gonna have a happy ending. Even if - and that's a very big if - the boys stay as ghosts, they're gonna have to split up before their fans notice that they don't age. The guys can't become famous on their own merit, they'll only ever be the tragic backstory for their famous bandmates
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I genuinely forget that like,,,,,,,,, Triple Threat isn't actually a thing. Like it's only ever been Julie and Flynn, Carrie was never involved in it and it's such a weird thing to think about
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At a surface level, Carrie definitely seems like the Alex of Triple Threat, but beyond the pink-loving judgemental gay blond pop fan bit,,,,,,,,,, she was the Luke. Coz they're both very self-assured lead singers with major insecurities and a bad relationship with their mothers who tend to lash out when their ex-best friends do something music-related that they don't like. They are literally the same person in different fonts.
So imagine Julie telling the boys some stories about what Carrie was like before they fell out, and Alex is just laughing his ass off in the background because he has those exact same stories about Luke
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Willie being both touch starved and flighty as hell is so beloved
He touches Alex at every single opportunity and will literally hang from his neck when they're bored, but the second Alex initiates any physical contact they'll just instantly poof out. Like dude could hug or kiss him with no problem, then one time they were holding hands and Alex laced their fingers together, and next thing he knew Willie was just Gone
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We really deserve a moment of Willie going no brain because of Alex. Just full-on forgot his own name, can't think, stumbling over their words Gay™. Him being completely unable to believe his luck and having a mAgIc moment of their own
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Hi Tyler. You used this term earlier and you are far from the only person who uses it in this way, so I'm not blaming you for not knowing... but the term "gay panic" originates from a legal defense in the US (I don't know about other countries because I live in the US, but I wouldn't be surprised if it existed in other countries too) that says that if you were murdered, and someone acted in "gay panic" they are cleared of their criminal charges. Once they knew you were gay they "panicked" (1/2)
(2/2) and yes this is still legal in certain states today. Here is a link with more information including how to fight for this legal defense to be removed: erosbittersweet.tumblr.com/post/653897656352096256/tastefulcrucifixparty-browherenew Again, I know that you didn't mean to offend anybody and you are far from the only one who doesn't know its origins.
Thanks so much for this! I'd completely forgotten this was a defence, I've already changed the post to get rid of that, thank you <3
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Ok I know the end lines of Great is a juke moment or whatever but like,,,,,,,,, we were robbed ngl. Coz Alex and Reggie's harmonisation in the recording is so beloved and I just Wish it was in the actual show
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Anyway HOH!Sunset Curve uses ASL a lot, so Willie gets Reggie to teach him some sign to surprise Alex
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Ok but in-universe, Alex is absolutely the guy who has a tiny but super dedicated fanbase. Like the majority of their fans probably barely even realise he’s a member of the band, but there’s just like thirty people on Twitter who could and would die for him
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I am once again requesting that Alex gets more than the occasional vibe session during performances in season 2. Let him actually interact with the boys or do a duet with Julie or just anything more than people smiling at him over his drums. And, most importantly, let! him! dance!
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I mentioned this in my last tags, but pre-fallout triple threat absolutely reminded Trevor of the boys. Carrie, the self-confident but very insecure lead singer who struggles with emotions to the degree that it impacts her relationships. Flynn, the energetic sweetheart who wants to help and support her friends whose parents are implied to have a less than amazing relationship. And Julie, the anxious one who doesn’t sing as much as people want her to and who seems like the sensible one until you actually think about her actions.
Part of him probably saw the kids as a new version of the guys, managing to stick together even after they died. But then they fall apart. Sunset Curve’s pseudo second shot at fame is over and once again there’s nothing he can do about it.
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Trevor: *leaves mansion to check mail*
Carrie: *standing in front of the security gate with Flynn sat on her shoulders*
Flynn: *cutting barbed wire with shears*
Julie: *visibly concerned while holding a bag of barbed wire*
Trevor: do you want a stepladder?
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The casualness of queerness in JatP is literally just so beloved. Like Alex being gay isn't a big deal in the friend group - he's open about his sexuality and the boys all love him and aren't afraid to be physically affectionate with him. When he talks about his crush on Willie, it gets the same teasing "!!!!!!! You have a crush!!!!!!!!" interaction that the m/f couple gets.
When they talk about the homophobia he goes through, it's not super drawn out and dramatic. It literally gets a single line of acknowledgement, but it clearly has an impact on him. And queerness isn't a source of conflict in his relationship with Willie - they're both openly gay and don't try to hide their attraction to each other. Their orientations aren't preventing them from being together: the conflict is entirely external.
They get treated like any other couple that just happens to be queer, and they were clearly shaped by their experiences without making their struggles being made into some huge 'homophobia is bad' psa. It's just so great and I love it
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I'm back on my 'Caleb isn't interested in Luke' shit, gays. Because he's almost the exact wrong fit for someone like Caleb. He's self-assured and combative, he takes on a leadership role among the boys, and he has connections to multiple lifers outside the club. His usual vulnerabilities as a newly dead homeless teenage runaway don't even work to Caleb's advantage, because Luke isn't bothered. He still has a way of being around his parents, he has music, and most importantly, he has a found family that he's very connected to. Caleb doesn't have a way of truly getting through to Luke.
But the others? They're a different story. Reggie still has a strong need to belong somewhere. He doesn't know how to get to his parents or his brother, and he's attaching to the Molinas to fill that void. He has music and the boys, but there's still a part of him that wants more. His personality makes him sort of a mixed bag for targeting. On one hand, he doesn't particularly add on or take much initiative in conversations. When Caleb appears in the studio, he spends the entire time in the background, fidgeting uncomfortably while Luke and Alex take over the conversation. But on the other, he doesn't defer to him. He treats Caleb like a bro - greeting him with a 'sup? and a peace sign, going off on allegories about his friends, and openly talks about the way Caleb died. He doesn't see Caleb as a superior until he becomes a threat. His respect is conditional on fear, but he's always gonna be loyal to the boys. If he wanted Reggie in line, he'd need both Luke and Alex to be obedient, too.
Then there's Alex. And Alex is almost the perfect target. He's anxious and insecure, he's looking for answers, and he has a strong connection to a member of the club. Not just that, he was raised in a homophobic household, has never had a boyfriend, and has friends who are dismissive of his anxiety and love of dancing, even if it's supposed to be a joke. Almost everything that Alex is going through is something that Caleb can help with. At the club, he could learn about the ghost world, be with Willie, and be actively encouraged to dance. All while being in an explicitly queer environment. The club is almost the perfect place for Alex, he has the most incentive to join.
And throughout their conversations, Alex constantly defers to Caleb. He's the only one who gives him a formal greeting, he politely and directly asks him to turn them visible instead of the more explanatory approaches that Luke and Reggie took, reprimands Reggie for stepping out of line, and thanks him for just agreeing to talk to Willie. The one time he challenges Caleb, he immediately slinks backwards and calls him sir after a single look. Not only does he have a legitimate motivation to take the deal even without the threat of the stamp, he's a lot more polite and mature than Luke and Reggie are.
If he had more time, there's no doubt that Caleb would be able to break Luke and get him to take the deal. But with the three-day timespan he gave himself, Luke was a lost cause. There's no way he could get him in line before he was destroyed. Alex and Reggie would only need a bit more pushing to join the club, but Luke would never agree.
And I think that's why Luke's offer seemed the least targeted - he didn't need to waste time considering what would get Luke on the hook because he didn't care about getting him. As long as Alex and possibly Reggie were willing to take the deal, he'd achieved his goal. Luke was a bonus he could live without. He just underestimated how loyal they all are to each other.
Tl;dr Reggie and Alex are far more suited to the club than Luke is, and the time constraints Caleb gave himself made Luke more hassle than he was worth. But he didn't realise that Alex and Reggie's love of Luke played an integral part in their decision.
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Alex would get more flustered by Willie kissing him on the cheek than an actual kiss
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