Oof it delated my reply so I have to write it again :/
By “that’s her own tragedy” I meant that its horrible situation for her. And its even worse because the twins are fighting with each other and are not paying atention to Lizzy and her mental health. Whe can see that she cried out her emotions and now she’s just… dead.
Also… I understand why u want to call it rape but i have a strange feeling about it. You know rape is something much much worse. And Im not saying that lying about your identity when it comes to marriage or sex is good. No, its not. You shouldnt EVER lie about who you are to people.
The thing is that Ciel propably did not prepare to live that long. If I had a contract with a demon, I’d prepare for an early death. Not for a marriage :/
I agree that Lizzy is a victim there. He lied to her. I think he wanted to die as Ciel bc of many things but also for Lizzy. We all know that our Ciel do care about Lizzy. He really do. Even if it wasn’t the best decision…
Yeah, he’s going to die, but his revenge intake pretty long. If it got to the age where he couldn’t delay marriage any longer, would he really call off the marriages, risking the Phantomhive name and leaving no heir?
“That’s her own tragedy.” Maybe I’m misunderstanding, but are you saying “That’s her own problem”? Uh, no. It’s completely and entirely O!Ciel’s fault. First of all, she’s thinking hypothetically in that scene. We don’t know if she really wouldn’t care. She’s just confused. We don’t know how she would have reacted if O!Ciel hadn’t lied. But she was by no means obligated to just transfer her affections to her fiancee’s brother! Say you were dating a twin. They get in some dangerous situation, and only one comes back. If it was the twin you weren’t dating that came back, yeah you’d be disappointed too. Not that the twin survived necessarily but that your loved one didn’t. You wouldn’t be morally obligated to just start loving the surviving twin. If the survivor lied and you did date for a while, you’d be fully justified in leaving.
Yeah, he did lied to her and thats not the best thing he would do…
I don’t think he could ever marry Lizzy. Remember? He is going to die. And he knows it very well.
The thing is that Lizzy realised that she cared only because its Ciel. She fell in love with Ciel and then loved O!Ciel. Thats her own tragedy.
+ i dont think it would be a rape but it would be realy horrible. But still I have to say that propably O!Ciel never wanted to marry her. He’s not that type of person. And he still is a kid.
< I know that my english is not perfect. Im still learning UwU. Have a great day/night >
So apparently some fans feel that Lizzie is absolutely horrible for ‘betraying ’ Ciel…
Like, he lied to her. He was never her fiance, and he lied to her. Was he ever planning on telling her? Because if he didn’t before they married, the marriage would be invalid. If they consummated the 'marriage,’ he’d be a rapist. Now that’s all speculation. He’s a kid, and I don’t think he planned that far ahead, let alone understood what that lie would mean. But I find it ironic that people are more concerned with Lizzie not standing by someone who betrayed her than the fact that Ciel did betray her.
And of course it would be rape because Lizzie would be consenting to R!Ciel, not O!Ciel. If I consented to sleep with one man, that doesn’t mean another man can just swoop in and have sex with me. Even if I didn’t fight back, thinking I was having sex with the man I consented to have sex with, it would still be rape because the person in bed with me wouldn’t be the person I had agreed to have sex with. Consent isn’t some object that can just be passed around.
Dont be so harsh on him. He’s just a kid.
Okay. I’m sorry I misunderstood.
It would be rape though. Rape is having sex with someone who didn’t consent or had an impaired ability to consent. Gentle or violent, it’s just as bad. Since O!Ciel lied about his identity, the only way Lizzie could consent to having sex with him would be if he told her the truth before hand.
And yes, I think you’re right that he didn’t plan for this, and I’m not being hard on him. As I said, I don’t think he thought that far ahead, and the situation of them getting married was hypothetical. He hasn’t actually done it, and now he can’t. I brought it up because people are having the audacity to blame Lizzie for not standing by O!Ciel. They act as though she betrayed him, but the truth is that he betrayed her. I don’t know if they’re misogynistic, angry at her for getting in the way of their pedophilic Sebaciel ship, hate her so much that anything she does is seen as wrong, or love Ciel so much that they think he deserves her unquestioning loyalty, but regardless, it’s bullshit that they blame her for staying with her actual fiancee instead of the boy who lied to her for years, especially considering that, had the lie continued, she would have been even more wronged.