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randomnameless · 8 hours
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Something pretty interesting I missed in my earlier Supreme Bullshit reading.
When Supreme Leader is upset at Lonato, she wonders if going to help him would be feasible, which leads to this convo with Hubert :
You want to save the man, Your Majesty? If I may, we would march all that way for...what, exactly?
Hubert, imo, thinks Lonato as basically already done and dead, Supreme Leader earlier was pissed at Lonato not following their plans, he acted on personal enemity and will most likely have to fight both the KoS and the Kingdom so...
Imagine the consequences of leaving him to die.
Here we have an example of the Supreme Leader who made this route, so interesting : it's not Hubert who has all the dastardry in their duo, Supreme Leader too, participates.
When KT forgets that they gave her a sailor fuku to be "more free", they write her to be in a similar vein as the other red Emperors like Arvis, or, Gustadolph from TS.
It's not "we must save him" or "we can't let him die", but Supreme Leader directly evacuates all that pathos, and thinks, rationally, about the consequences of leaving Lonato reap what he sowed.
We need our vassals to believe the Empire will always come to their aid. Always.
It's PR!
Going to save Lonato is not about Lonato himself, she can't give a fig about the dude, but it's all about public relationships and keeping a façade for her war of conquest : her vassals need to believe the Empire will always come to their aid.
Whether they actually do, or not, is irrelevant - they need to believe Adrestia is "trustworthy enough" to come to their help when called.
And the sheer "we need them to believe" coming from Supreme Leader herself? It's really neat, she's lying/manipulating the events to build a perfect image for her vassals, or the ones who will become her vassals (by choice).
Compare this to the Kingdom/Church "we need to help the ones who need help!" and here, instead, we have "we need to make people believe we're going to help them".
Lonato doesn't act following the plan ? It doesn't matter, Supreme Leader will seize this new opportunity to advance her own goals : aka, making people believe the Empire is "trustworthy" and "reliable".
Good. Now make our plans known to the others. I'm counting on you, Hubert.
What plans? The "we must rescue Lonato because he is our ally" or the true "we must pretend to rescue Lonato to make other nobles join our cause and believe in us"?
And what is intereting is how this exchange, of course, only happens when she is alone with Hubert.
In the following event, where Barney is here and they talk about their powers :
Ah, you should see the look on your face! Did Hubert threaten you? Don't let it get to you. Yes, he's quite good at that kind of thing, but it comes from a place of caution.
Hm... Sure. It's Hubert's way of caring I guess.
But then comes the manifesto :
I want to transform the world into a place where no one has to feel trapped by where they came from.
What's that about the place they come from? Aren't we later in this route trashtalking Annette and the Kingdom peeps because they believe in outdated values like chivalry and sacrifices to protect their loved ones?
When I am done, it won't matter where you are born, whose blood you have, or what powers course through you—everyone will be treated as equals.
When she means equals, she means people will "believe" everyone will be treated as equals, just like Lonato was supposed to "believe" Adrestia was coming to back him up and not just, play minimal part to guarantee their PR but not much more?
That's what we're fighting for, and that is what this war is going to achieve.
But Hubert said this war is a war of conquest ?
So believe me when I say this—I don't care who you are.
And yet Barney is still a nobody commoner, even if pal with the Emperor, when Linhardt is a general?
I only care about what you have done and what you have yet to do.
And what Barney can do with that power you said you don't give a crap about right? But what if Barney's abilities are basically the result of their weird powers, can we still say their power/abilities are irrelevant ?
And, hm, maybe someone can translate this for me ?
人の力に拠る未来を創るため、 すべての犠牲を私は負って立つ!
She says this when she defeats 1k peons, and Googl'd it gives... "To create a future based on the power of people, I will bear all the sacrifices!" - so what this line about not giving figs about "what powers course through you everyone will be treated as an equal"? Could Amelie the lady from Mittelfrank who couldn't end up as a diva be treated like Leopold, or what?
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Supreme Leader's words being treated as gospel is always imo hilarious, because Supreme Leader has some instances where, when KT's not busy dressing her up with some "Scarlet Blaze Power! Make Up!", she plays the role Arvis already played before her, the dastardly red emperor who manipulates and seizes every opportunity to reach her goals.
In Tru Piss we got the Javelins - but in Nopes? We get those "heart to heart" moments with Hubert that lampshade even more how much of an unreliable narrator Supreme Leader is - she still maintains care to have a level of PR and only confides to trusted people (yay Hubert!) or, in FE16, when, curiously, she has her mask on (Flamey doesn't need PR).
That's why we still have so many pretzels over Rhea's fate in Tru Piss, yes, Supreme Leader claims she wants to spare her when she adresses her in Firdhiad, in front of her allies and the people she has to lie to about her War.
But when she was with Billy? Nah, she can safely tell them that path lead to the death of Rhea and her people, something she rejoices about in their S support.
Too bad Nopes doubled down on "Sailor Adrestia" instead of giving us more of that "Arvis with a skirt" they teased us with (seriously that power move of betraying Rhea in the third chapter was just, that awesome from her part).
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randomnameless · 10 hours
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Random Rhea HC : Nap time.
Back when she was a wee litle thing, she used to nap, like her siblings, in both human or lizard form, on Zanado's warm benches when there was some sun or anywhere, even if she prefered, as always, to sit next Sothis who would always find a way to hum her lullaby and have her sleep on her lap.
When it was cloudy and Sothis wasn't available, Cichol had to put her to "sleep" for naps, and while she always refused to, listening to his stories always did the trick (helped by Cichol tucking her to bed first), to the point where putting Cethleann to sleep was very easy for him, because he had to deal with Rhea for years previously (something he often teases her about when she pretends she's alright and doesn't need to sleep when she's Archbishop Rhea).
As Seiros the Warrior, Rhea has trouble sleeping, because even if she is Seiros the Warrior, whenever she falls asleep, she becomes the Rhea who couldn't do a thing in Zanado again, and her nightmares/memories are so frightening that she refuses to sleep.
Whenever she feels like she has too - else she will collapse - at first, when she still cannot trust humans, she escapes to the most secluded place she can find (a mountain, the top of a tree, a forest, some secluded place where no human can find her, or a cave) to rest but her nightmares mean she cannot really rest/sleep.
When she trusts them a little more (but still not that much!) she allows herself to rest for a few hours, but always alone, in a closed space, and with her weapons at hand. When she "rests" like this, she is a very light sleeper and, coupled to her nightmares, it means she cannot get effective sleep.
Willy does his thing, and while she still has some nightmares she finally manages to get some sleep, even if Willy is annoying because while he may be as warm, or even warmer, as the warm rocks from her childhood, he snores and his heartbeat is loud.
Besides, they rarely sleep when they're together because he has to polish his sword or whatnot.
When Cichol'n'co join her quest, she finally feels "safe" enough to sleep in Enbarr's palace without Willy. It's thus a common occurence during the sunny days, to see Saint Seiros sitting on a bench, or against a column, or even in the gardens, "meditating" for the most devouts. Her nightmares are still there, but knowing some of the others survived "lessens" them.
Lycaon and his friends of course pretend to "meditate with Saint Seiros" whenever they want to escape their tutors, they bring their toys and play next to her, until they fall asleep. Rhea was always puzzled to see those children sleeping next to her when she woke up, but was so amused and touched, because it reminded her of her younger days with Sothis, that she never told them to, uh, stop "missing" their lessons.
(To Cichol's great disarray, why are they always running away from his important "philosophy and life lessons" classes? To which his wife would often reply that to a bunch of 5 years old his classes are way too boring.)
Post War of Heroes, once the monastery is built, Rhea isn't "afraid" anymore to sleep because of humans, but her nightmares came back in full force, "updated" with the WoH and her "new" losses, her brothers, Cichol's wife, Lycaon, Willy, etc etc.
Jeralt once spot her asleep at her desk, he tried to wake her up gently by pushing her shoulder, but she broke his jaw as a "reflex" startled.
Sitri worries about her sleep schedule, so she arranges some time in her planning when she would be free to nap, especially when there's sun outside! However, she later discovers that Rhea's sleeping issues are caused by "nightmares" and while she never prays, she introduces her "not mom" to chamomille, maybe it can help her relax, if not sleep?
Cichol returns and while he knows she has nightmares (even since her Seiros the Warrior days) she refuses to talk about them. Ultimately Seteth, with his years of experience, pulls out the same tricks he used in his youth, giving her his reports at night, while she's tucked in bed, and making sure she drank her chamomille.
It's an old method, but it works.
Hanneman once surprised him with a book about nightmares, and asked him if he needed help, which of course attracted Manuela who gave the advice to "drink so much that you pass out and don't remember what happened when you fell asleep".
Cyril refuses to "nap" next to Rhea, or put his head on her lap despite her insistence, because that's way too embarassing and damn, he's not a kid anymore! Catherine doesn't mind at all though, and takes his turn, which annoys him even more, but for some weird reason, Lady Rhea doesn't seem to mind.
AG!Wise, Shamir catches her, Seteth and Flayn (and even that new merc who joined?) sleep in the Camulus Cathedral, when there'd be a ray of sun peering through the windows.
"They are all in deep religious meditation", says a random monk. Shamir knows better though, they're having a nap.
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randomnameless · 10 hours
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huge shoutout to anyone who follows me who disagrees with things i post sometimes. you are so real for tolerating more than one opinion in your spheres and i love you
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In a way I realise the issue with Fodlan is pretty similar to the one found in Tellius regarding Brandeds, but refusing to acknowledge part of the issue, the games pushes for a less than ideal solution, especially with this ending.
You summed up Claude and his routes as fuck the past and the traditions associated with it.
And I'm thinking, with hindsight, about Rhea's words here.
In our absence, future generations are likely to repeat the foolish actions of their ancestor.
And when that happens, who will be left to stop them? This land has suffered enough as it is.
Nabateans are associated in this route, but Rhea and her Church in general, to the "past and traditions".
In VW, Rhea reveals the truth and is put in the fridge (dying off screen).
And who pops up when we're sure Rhea won't return ?
On the one hand, we can see Nemesis's sudden return and ultimately, final death, as the occasion to cleanse Fodlan from all of its past history and secrets, no more Seiros, no more Nemesis, we get a blank canvas to work with.
On the other hand... Even if the canvas is now blank, what is going to happen next ?
As you pointed out in your post :
but now the false history of Fodlan has been corrected. People now know what the past really was, not some glamorized image of it from the Agarthans nor the story told as part of a peace treaty. The Church is still going to be there, helping to rebuild Fodlan after the slate was wiped clean, free to spread it's messages without having to also recite falsehoods that can give people mixed messages
Will the Church really be free to spread its messages without falsehoods ?
And that's where the Tellius parallel comes in, Fodlan refuses to engage with Nabateans.
Will the Church really reveal that Crests come from Nabateans, and the origin of relics ? Will Flayn will free to show her ears to the world and not be afraid for, idk, potential kids she might have being turned in poleaxes ? Or bled, like she was, to get power ?
VW doesn't answer, hell, no Fodlan game gives an answer.
Hell, we can even make a link : the second she reveals the truth about relics and crests, Nemesis and his Elites, living (well) proofs of human greed and lust for power return.
Rhea sealed Nemesis, just like she "sealed" the truth about Fodlan and Nabateans with her lies.
When the jig is up, Nemesis and his allies return-the game reminds us why those lies were created in the first place.
Some people meme'd and called Nemesis the "ceo of racism", but Nemesis is only an example of human greed/lust for power :: we got Supreme Leader and, arguably, Claude in GW and, even if it ends on a positive note because Claude has a treaty in his hands, the ending mural imo still has one party holding weapons when the others aren't.
VW is painfully silent on the aftermath of Rhea's big reveal - no one reacts to it because, well, Fodlan game means we dgaf about Nabateans but hey, Lorenz just learnt that slaughtering people with pointy ears can give him a relic and a super powerup. Lorenz isn't the kind of person to abuse his power (at least not in VW), but if this "truth" is told to Erwin? What if Erwin immediately wants to secure a marriage between Lorenz and Flayn to get future "super human" heirs? Or maybe, use her in, uh, a more "Agarthan" way to get a poleaxe and new crest for a future line?
Are Nabateans really "free" to live and spread their teachings in a world where there are no lies, and the truth is revealed?
Imo, VW doesn't end with the blank and "new" dawn presented by the game, but it's, again, a return to a past state : an era where humans and Nabateans lived together, but humans knew what kind of power they could get from a Nabatean...
And we know how that ended!
Maybe it was just a "skill" issue and like, where Nabateans and Sothis herself failed to curb down human greed and envy - which led to Zanado's party and Nemesis - maybe Billy and Claude will do better...
And yet, it's just some "maybes" and, at the end of the day, sort of headcanons?
"Telling the Truth" and "Smashing the lies" effectively means painting a giant target on every Nabatean's back. From now then, we won't know what will happen - but we know what happened the last time humans got this knowledge.
And the game, this route's lead (bcs let's be honest, Billy is as relevant as a flower pot in this route) doesn't even take this, say, immediate consequence in consideration.
Rhea conveniently dies at the end of VW - while Seteth'n'Flayn are pretty much ignored in this route as Nabateans - but if she didn't and Claude told her he was going to reveal the "Truth" to get rid of Fodlan's past and traditions, to make a world where everyone can live together regardless of race, etc etc.
Wouldn't Rhea just look at Failnaught, and tell him that Sothis/Nabateans already tried to live with humans - without any lies or omissions, but when Humans desired more power, Nabateans ended up as glorified weapons?
What is going to prevent Claude/Billy from making the same mistakes (slaugther Nabateans to get weapons/trust humans with their secret and hope they won't kill the remaining Nabateans?) their ancestors (Riegan, but also, in a way, Sothis/the Nabateans themselves!) made?
Why were those lies built? Is the "truth" and getting a blank canvas - to create a new society - more important than the lives of a few people ?
I agree with you when you say VW doesn't end up with a "traditional jp" ending, because VW (or maybe I was too influenced by discourse) ultimately champions the "Getting to know the Truth/ending lies" is more important than anything else, regardless of the consequences - I know this also parallels a cultural difference between some parts of the world, lying can be seen very negatively but in some other areas giving half-truths and omissions are more "accepted", especially if it's to protect/bury something important.
Is revealing the Truth and ending Rhea's lies going to benefit Fodlan ?
We don't know, but we know why those lies were made, which VW reminds us through its final boss.
Supreme Leader sacrificed people to get power/for her IdEaLS (even if VW still has her line refusing Flayn's place in Fodlan because of her race!), Nemesis massacred people to get power, in an alternate world, Claude will also kill random people for his IdeAlS (and to get more power!)...
Is it the same of VW!Claude? To make a new world with new values, he sacrifices the few remaining Nabateans?
And in a way, it's annoying because Claude, through WC when he realises Tomas was Solon, understands that piercing the church's secret (aka the Immaculate One and her crest stone) is less important than, in this case, refusing to saddle the Church with another problem/issue and taking part in Solon's plans, aka, Claude could determine that there was something else at stake here than "getting to know the truth and ending lies".
But when Rhea gives her infodump? The end of VW? After knowing why those lies were made up?
"Fuck the past, fuck the traditions associated with it, let's end those lies" which, implicitely but ultimately leads to "fuck Nabateans and their survival".
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Much like Tellius who goes "lol" about, arguably, one of the reasons why the Big Bad does Big Bad things - none of Fodlan's endings (bar Tru Piss lol) deal with the crux behind Rhea's lies, which is often cited as one of the reasons why "the war" happened.
Is there a future for Nabateans to live as Nabateans (aka not hide their ears and maybe transform in front of people) in Fodlan?
Sadly... none of the endings (again, save for Tru Piss) give an answer, and VW, in this way, returns to the situation that existed pre Agartha War. Will History repeat itself again, with a new Red Canyon and a new Nemesis later down the years? We won't know.
I know Claude (and Dimi!) can marry Billy and Flayn, thus, technically, it means they could get (through Flayn?) part Nabatean children... and yet, would those children have to hide like Flayn does in the current Fodlan, or free to bare their ears - if everyone, from Bob the Carpenter to Derrick the soldier, that the Queen/Prince/Princess can be turned in a shiny poleaxe and grant them super powers?
I don't think that's what the games wanted to say (especially with Tellius lol), but that's the conclusion they lead to.
VW ends as a new dawn for Fodlan, it's supposed to be full of hope and a joyful ending !
And yet, just like Tellius that ends with Beorcs and Laguz joking and getting alone, there's still the biggest question left hanging : can they really get along if Laguz die when they "get too close" and racial segregation, at least when it comes to breeding, is the only way they can survive?
VW ends with a positive note between Almyran (or Dagdan?) armies and Fodlan signing a peace treaty, and yet we still see the "foreigner" army with weapons when Fodlanese people have none, besides, there's no Nabatean (no Billy) in this scene, so what, for humans to get along, Nabs have to put under the bus? What of Relics and Crests, is that secret out in the wild and the reason we don't see any in that mural, or they still exist but the game pretends no one will ever give a fuck about it?
Granted, unlike Tellius, I can chalk Fodlan's lack of, uh, resolution, to crap writting and the devs prioritising something else than coherency in their world (tfw no continuity guy and the "uh we added things here'n'there to make the world seem bigger and that's why we left some stuff hanging but don't worry we have our 10k years of lore notes somewhere" from the interview...).
With the last few points in mind, we can see how SS, AM and VW are may be somewhat radical from a Japanese POV.
In SS, Byleth's leadership goes against a very common mentality in Japan where it's viewed as wrong to give people money they did not earn, even when that person is in dire straights. In fact, begging for money is actually illegal over there. So with that in mind, Byleth focusing on reconstruction of Fodlan in addition to the Japanese text saying he supported “every soul” in a motherly-fashion, it does point to Byleth's rule being one that looked out for the people.
It also has elements associated with oudou, considering the Sword of the Creator's Japanese name the Sword of the Emperor of Heaven. Emperor of Heaven is term for the Jade Emperor, the deity that oversees Heaven's mandate (Mazu, the Emperess of Heaven, is commonly depicted in red robes... but she's associated with water as a sea goddess, not fire. She's also said to be an incarnation of the Jade Woman of Marvelous Deeds, and associated with a star in the big dipper, who is said to oversee all aspects of life and death and help those who call upon her. So, Edelgard's color scheme itself might be a red herring, as Sothis is the one associated with water). Byleth judged Edelgard as unworthy of following, rejecting her and in turn leading the Black Eagles to do the same. They no longer bend the knee to their emperor simply because she is their emperor, they take a stand against her actions and work to remove her from power. And this is consistent for them regardless of whether Byleth taught their House or recruited them to another House, not joining Edelgard is tied to their character development (see Ferdinand and Caspar's paralogues not being available in Flower).
Dimitri takes Byleth's supporting the poor a few steps further, believing change has to come from the people and giving them a voice in politics while at the same time supporting them. He empowers the masses, and on top of that even has focus on improving relations with foreign nations (whereas the Japanese text indicates Edelgard begins invading other countries). Dimitri is also meant to represent oudou himself, a benevolent ruler justly governing the people.
Claude also identifies Edelgard's rule as oudou, stops her, but then puts Byleth and his version of oudou in charge of Fodlan. I think the best way to put how Claude is radical is, to put it bluntly, fuck the past and fuck the traditions associated with it.
Claude's goal in coming to Fodlan was to learn from it in order to change Almyra, and he got that in Verdant Wind. He begins transforming his homeland into a trading powerhouse, works with the Church in order to bridge the two nations, and can even introduce magic to his country in one ending. On top of that, people have noted that he embodied a very negative stereotype of his people in Hopes, so his character growth proved beneficial. He's no longer the type who will flee to save his own life rather than protecting his people, he stops trying to manipulate everyone and instead work with them as well.
When applied to Fodlan, it's not saying that the Church is bad. It still continues to exist, but now the false history of Fodlan has been corrected. People now know what the past really was, not some glamorized image of it from the Agarthans nor the story told as part of a peace treaty. The Church is still going to be there, helping to rebuild Fodlan after the slate was wiped clean, free to spread it's messages without having to also recite falsehoods that can give people mixed messages. And on top of that, there's also support for other faiths and customs to be brought in, accepted and learned from. The game really drives home it's the dawn of a new era for a reason.
So, we have that. Meanwhile Edelgard trying to set the clock back on Fodlan, spouting ideals informed by Agarthan manipulations, and trying to conquer the world... this is all supposed to be tyranny according to the devs. SS, AM and VW all support some form of progress whereas Flower, once you see through the cracks and get to know Edelgard, is supposed to be regression. To return to old ways, old traditions, that the Church put a stop to for good reason.
#fantasyinvader#Claude stuff#rather not him but his route#the way the game ignores the nabateans really irked me back then and it still does lol#I've noticed in the US it sounds like a more serious offence to lie than here#i mean morally speaking like tons of Rhea BaD arguments have some 'she lied!!' as a moot point#and iirc aren't people swearing to tell the truth when they are in court?#We don't swear on the bible here and lying in court is also bad#but the capital BaD it seems to be there#maybe it's just an impression#'source : je l'ai lu dans un article du figaro'#but back to FE16 when you realise why those lies exist#and you even have Nemesis pop up#is he not a reminder of what has already happened and can happen if the truth is out?#sure he finally dies in VW but who can say a new Nemesis won't pop up#Supreme Leader was backed up by Agarthans and yet she was one in all but name#what if Ignatz' kid kills Flayn and eats her liver to get super powers? and uses her femur as a bone club?#heck we can even push the disbelief further#some people know how to repair relics game mechanic wise#if Ignatz' kid comes with Flayn's femur and crest stone can those people who know how to repair them just#craft him a new weapon using those materials?#I think like Rhea's line in Nopes paralleled VW to a T#getting rid of the past means people are bound to repeat it#VW resets the counter to the situation where Nabateans and humans were living together#but when humans will learn of how much power they can get from nabateans#what is going to happen to them? Neo Agartha? New Nemesis again?#The Fodlan writers dgaf about Nabateans in their games#which means regardless of the ending save for maybe SS with a living Rhea#Fodlan isn't and will never be a world where Nabateans can hang out anymore#It's the pandora box once the truth is out they're fucked
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randomnameless · 2 days
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Browsing redshit made me think about this,
I might be usually harsh him, but credit where it's due :
The game kills Jerry when Jerry is the one who calls Flamey "uwu not me but Solon i would have stopped them if i knew" bullshit
Oh, we've met all right. But back to you. You're the one responsible for the destruction of this village. Do not get the wrong idea. What in blazes does that mean? It is true that I am working with Solon. But that does not mean our objectives are the same. Had I known they planned to do this, I would have stopped it. You have my word. Your words are meaningless. Now, I'll have to insist that you accompany us back to the monastery.
(note how Jerry has the angry portrait!)
Of course it happens in the event where Jerry backtracks on everything he did before and realises he had been stupid but hey, the game and its red herring is written around this "plot induced stupidity" -
Assuming logic exists in a Fodlan game and Kronya missed his vitals - would Jerry eventually side with Billy in CF?
Regardless of Rhage talking about failures and garbage, I see them as willing to spare Billy (they're his beloved kid after all) or maybe talk some sense in them - like hewwo, did you forget Remire and all? Clownya?
Maybe like a red unit that turns green - but attacks everyone on your team who isn't Billy, which means, of course, Billy will have to end them.
But siding with Flamey, I mean, Supreme Leader?
Nah.
And then Nopes was released lol
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randomnameless · 4 days
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Tiens, on est le 21 avril aujourd'hui?
Ca va faire l'anniversaire des 22 ans de Jean-Marie au second tour et où pas mal de personnes censées se sont rendues compte qu'il y avait toute une frange de cons en France : "moi pas content moi mettre coup de pied dans fourmilière alors moi voter pour vieux monsieur qui a formé son parti avec des anciens Waffen-SS et qui a torturé en Algérie et compare les homosexuels au "sel dans la soupe" parce que moi vraiment pas content "
Et depuis on a de plus en plus de cons à tous les niveaux - mais bon, je reste un blog fandom donc parler trop de politique ça va me transformer en bloc de sel géant.
Par contre, avec le fandom actuel sur Fodlan, ben je vois que c'est une tendance de fond apparemment, et ça dépasse nos frontières (ouais on est pas les seuls cons au monde! Youpi!) et c'est toujours aussi inquiétant - je ne parle pas des délurés dans leur caniveau dans un certain serveur de Discord(e) - mais juste un commentaire banal genre :
"J'ai vraiment aimé ta fic du coup j'ai écris la mienne!"
Je me sens un peu flattée qu'un des trucs randoms que j'avais posté ai pu rendre des gens contents ?
"Du coup j'ai aussi repris l'idée de Lycaon l'hybride Nabatéen"
Cool, enfin c'est pas juste moi, les demi dragons, c'est un peu une tradition dans FE et les mondes de fantasy, et puis Fodlan le sous-entend avec certains persos et dialogues et...
"Alors dans mon idée, les hybrides tombent tout le temps malade, jusqu'à que leur descendance ait moins de sang de Nabatéen parce que c'est ça qui les rend fragiles"
... Attends, quoi ??
(gros gros sel sous la coupure)
Moi dans mes délires c'est l'histoire clichée du "il a du sang de créature magique donc ça les rends plus forts/demi-dieux etc etc" avec l'analogie traditionnelle du "ben s'ils peuvent faire des bébés c'est qu'ils ont pas si différents et les deux peuples peuvent s'entendre au lieu de se foutre sur la gueule tout le temps" - il n'a jamais été question de "oui ben l'hybride est mal foutu génétiquement parce que le sang d'une des races n'est pas bon et il survit que s'il se débarrasse de sa partie "autre" " !
Et puis merde, je sais qu'on est dans une fanfic et une oeuvre de fiction, mais c'est super inconfortable de lire ce genre de trucs! Sans rentrer dans les "théories" à la con, ce genre de saloperies a été utilisé dans la vraie vie pour justifier de la merde!
Enfin quoi, on est sur de la fiction, mais on explique que "il est malade parce qu'il n'est pas de sang pur ??" Et ça c'est censé être, genre, normal, et pas un twist où en fait c'est un super raciste qui a "créé" cette maladie pour garder des gens "purs"? C'est juste, euh, "naturel"????
oui bon j'ai relu bleach récemment
Comment un de mes posts a pu inspirer ça?
Tiens, ça me fait penser à cette autre fic qui m'intéressait bien aussi :
Guerre des Héros? Check
Willy ? Check
Lycaon est un hybride? Triple check
Et puis dans les notes de l'auteur "ah oui c'était compliqué pour l'élever en tant que bébé, mais une fois qu'il avait passé sa phase de nabatéen* ça passait"
*Ok, c'est de l'anglais et j'ai peut-être mal compris le "grew out of his nabatean traits" ???
Bordel ça commençait tellement bien, et ça finit comme les épinards de la cantine.
Encore une fois, on est sur de la fanfic alors bon, si quelqu'un écrit sur quelque chose ça ne veut pas forcément dire qu'il est d'accord avec tout ce qu'il écrit ou veut les promouvoir, j'entends bien.
Mais tout de même, je trouve que parler de ça, dans un fandom qui comporte des latrines comme ce fameux sous-serveur, et dont l'oeuvre principale est centrée autour d'une "waifu qui est en fait méchant mais trop kawaii alors tu te sens tristoune de la dégommer mais comme elle trop kawaii personne va lui dire de la boucler ou tout ceux qui le font sont dépeints comme des vilains pas beaux méchants qui à la fin trouvent qu'elle avait pas tort" dont le leitmotiv reste tout de même la volonté de débarrasser le monde du "sang de dragon" (Et personne dans le jeu ne tique ou ne remarque ça pour sortir - à l'époque ce que j'aurais appelé une tarte à la crème mais vu le fandom et les temps actuels ce n'est en fait pas si commun??? - "le racisme ce n'est pas bien" et que tous les persos mettent à leur sauce des "oui mais c'est vrai que le sang de dragon ce n'est pas bien"!) franchement c'est très très bof.
Est-ce que ces "théories racialistes" sur les "hybrides Nabatéens" c'est juste de la liberté littéraire dans le genre de la "darkfic" ou du "dead dove do not eat", ou est-ce que ce sont des effluves nauséabondes qui émanent des toilettes, ou des personnes qui ont joué au jeu et ne se rendant pas compte des énormités de Dedel - qui sont malgré tout passées sous silence par les développeurs et scénaristes eux-mêmes parce qu'il faut vendre des goodies ?
Ça me gonfle parce que normalement, je me dis toujours qu'il faut consommer des choses auxquelles on est pas forcément attirés dès le départ pour élargir ses horizons et peut-être apprécier d'une autre manière quelque chose - mais avec cet univers, avec un fandom (et des jeux) qui nous bassinent en long, en large et en travers "ouin ouin tout ce qui ne va pas dans le monde c'est à cause du sang de Nabatéens" et chie sur, ben, les persos Nabatéens eux-mêmes, une fic qui a part sur un postulat "les hybrides Nabatéens existent, mais ne sont pas viables/en bonne santé/gérables s'ils ont trop de sang Nabatéen", je ne peux/veux plus les lire/voir/écouter.
Comme pour l'utilisateur de Tumblr que j'avais bloqué, sans avoir jamais interagit avec cette personne, mais parce que j'avais lu un billet en mode "oulala rien que de penser à Dedel qui aurait du sang de Nabatéen [encore dans un contexte de demi-nabatéens] ça me rend physiquement malade!" parce que, non seulement, ben ça veut dire que cette personne n'a visiblement pas compris ce qu'est un Emblème dans le jeu, et surtout, parce que ce genre de trucs avec le fandom de FE16, avant même que je ne découvre le trou à fange qu'est le sous-serveur de la Discorde, c'est un gros gros signe que cette vision qu'à cet utilisateur du jeu et la mienne sont tellement incompatibles qu'on ne pourra jamais discuter sereinement dessus, donc blocage automatique.
Je vois le "fandom" comme quelque chose de relaxant où j'ai envie d'être chill et de juste, apprécier des trucs plutôt que de râler (j'ai déjà la vraie vie pour ça), mais là c'est juste, je pense, de la déception (une origo gentis sur les Hresvelg! Un des trucs sur lesquels j'avais déblatéré il y a longtemps! C'est tellement génial de voir que quelqu'un d'autre a eu l'idée d'en faire une! Si seulement il n'y avait pas eu ce foutu commentaire "et en fait les métisses sont malades parce qu'ils ne sont pas viables à cause du sang de l'un de leurs parents mais si ce sang se dilue ils vont mieux"...) et la simple coincidence qu'aujourd'hui on est le 21 avril qui vaut ce bloc de sel.
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Any headcannons for any Agarthan reaction to Billy joining them in Tru Piss? Cause having Sothis 2.0 on your side must've surprised them. Like Thales going "They do know we killed their father‚ right?" or someone going "We need a backup plan to deal with them‚ because we only killed an unconscious Sothis by proxy." (Also correct me if I'm wrong‚ but doesn't Thales only appear disguised in Tru Piss? So maybe they have a "Don't remind them of Jerry‚" scheme for Billy.)
Yep,
IIRC, Uncle is still Uncle because Thales doesn't remove his meatsuit.
I guess they suppose Billy isn't the Fell Star yet - but only a vessel that hasn't recovered their memories - otherwise why would they target one of their spawn - even if they got her powers.
I suppose their endgame plan was to get rid of both Supreme Leader and Billy - before Billy becomes as powerful as Sothis herself once was (if that's possible?) but I guess they were pleasantly surprised at the end of Tru Piss as Billy lost their powers/connection to Sothis - this one was just a dud after all!
(even more so if they realise the Fell Star's Crest Stone finally disappeared!)
Tru Piss being a player fantasy means Billy and the BESF managed to defeat Uncle, but come on. Even if we smoke and assume Firdhiad wasn't Nuked when Rhea kicked the bucket, I can't see the BESF storm in Shambala and survive the assault against Agarthans - when the other groups only do because Rhea, once again, sacrifices her life to protect everyone.
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Bringing this back for "reasons"
Hybrid Nabatean headcanon?
Uh...
Well, if you insist
HC Nabateans are made of magic.
Sothis made them using “magic” since she is the reason why “magic” spread through the land (Fodlan+other countries), after her arrival in Fodlan.
Flayn is a special case - because she was born when Sothis was still alive. 
That is why she can transform, and have a different crest from her dad.
Sothis blessed her mom with a longer life than what patient 0 would get from a simple crest transfusion. That's why Cethleann is closer to a Nabatean than any other hybrid - Sothis lit gave her mom more “magic” to make her offspring close to a Nabatean.
Nabatean pregnancy takes more time than a normal human one (and is more dangerous if the mother is human, that’s why Sothis “strengthened” Cethleann’s mom even if she had Cichol’s crest). Flayn is thus closer to a Nabatean than other hybrids, she can transform, have her own crest and has the longer lifespan. She can even be cut for parts.
Roughly it is equal to more or less 10 years (Ena took around 20 years to give birth to her son?). This is partly why it was more or less codified that Nabateans has to give their blood to their human partner, so the human could spend time with their offspring.
Post Sothis hybrids are different -
With the Progenitor God dead, there is less magic in the air, only the Nabatean can pour his magic, but they cannot gather it on Sothis’s levels, so the kid ends up as a strengthened version of a human, with a few Nabatean traits.
As a result, post-Sothis, Male Nabateans have a lot of difficulties to “create” a hybrid, because they cannot pour magic constantly to the baby who isn’t in their bodies. As a result, interbreeding with a male Nabatean rarely produces a viable offspring, and if it does, the baby is much more closer to a human than a baby born to a Nabatean Mother.
Ditto for second gen children, hybrid Mother can pass on more “magic” and Nabatean genes than a hybrid father.
Hybrid Nabateans would have a crest stone instead of a heart, but age faster than a pure blooded Nabatean and wouldn't be able to use as much magic as a Nabatean could. They share the same crest as their Nabatean parent, but their bones aren’t shiny and cannot be used to craft relics. However, they are still “super-human” as in, uh, being able, idk, to tank 1 nuke (instead of 5 like Rhea), jump 20 meters high and have a way more “magic” than a human, even a crested one.
They still have the traditional pointed ears, green eyes and green hair.
Second generation children (1/4th Nabatean) have varying hair color and eye color, but round ears. They only share a crest and have a very slightly longer lifespan, but not the additional Nabatean traits.
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Hybrids were actually common before the first Agarthan War - but afterwards, they became ultra rare - some Nabateans thought humans were arrogant, greedy and full of hubris, so Cichol is the only odd loser who grew fond a human.
Of course, everyone loves Cethleann, so maybe humans aren’t bad and all.
But then Nemesis happens.
Noa's children were born after the Chalice - I mean, Noa's kid (rumour says she had a son, who had a lot of difficulties to get a child, so she got a daughter too, but then, both managed to get a child). She expressly wanted to avoid to have more than two kids, and told her kid(s) not to have large families too.
With time, of course, her decree was forgotten - at least the "why" - but House Nuvelle still tried to have the fewest heirs possible, and tried to hide/keep their crests pure, i.e. not intermarrying with other crested families. Actually, their obsession to become “purer” was to return to Noa’s first kid, who was able to do “inhuman” feats - they wanted to gain a closer concentration of Nabatean blood - but sadly it didn’t happen.
By the 4th generation, all Nabatean traits disappeared save for a pronounced affinity for magic.
Constance still has stomach-aches after eating a Zanado Fruit, but she doesn’t immediately throw up like “regular” humans. (The Noa fruit was engineered based on Zanado fruits, they are supposed to be Zanado fruits but tempered to be able to be eaten by humans because Noa wanted to share a Nabatean recipe with her grandchildren, who cannot eat Zanado Fruits, so she made the Zanado Fruits edible by humans!).
Willy the Loser might have tried to get a kid, but given how Seiros the Warrior kept on being a Warrior and always depleted her magic when she was fighting, none could be allocated for a kid who couldn’t “grow” post conception.
Seiros the Warrior never knew about this, naturally.
Wilhelm’s heirs, and House Hresvelg members, are thus 100% human.
When creating Citrus’n’co, Rhea thought about hybrids but thought creating an artificial body out of human and Nabatean materials wouldn’t be able to host Sothis’s powers and/or consciousness, so she only used her own, uh, fluids/materials to create her artificial beings.
Billy, born from an artificial Nabatean and a human, is able to host Sothis’s consciousness and powers, was a welcomed surprise. Granted, Billy might also have worked because they were born “naturally” and not “artificially”.
However, given how Citrus was not a “real” Nabatean, Billy has no hybrid powers nor abilities (but then they merge with Sothis).
Post Sothis fusion!Billy, should they have children with the Nabateans and Flayn, would create beings on Flayn’s levels, for all intent and purposes, a Nabatean.
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Thinking about the "media litteracy is dead" post from yesterday...
The Seteth bans book was intended as a joke in the Claude/Flayn support, Flayn is looking for YA fiction and maybe bodice rippers, to which Claude says some books of that genre are donated to the monastery (seriously who the fucks donates those??) but Seteth bans them before they're found on the shelves.
(The shelves of the Monastery - so it's not the world wide censoring networks, if he finds thing unappropriate for consumption, it's only for consumption in GM, not in, say, Faerghus' royal library!).
And when we finally see what books Seteth personally "removed" and threw in the Abyss we have :
A novel depicting Adrestia in ye old days called the feast of "decadence", suggesting Jesus and Mary Magdalena were fucking and being cut as people are "whispering sweet nothings" at each other -
And a "guide on romance" that is a bit more explicit in the JP text :
いつもの恋人のための褒め方 Googl'd as "How to compliment your lover on a regular basis", and I guess "compliment" here is an euphemism
その日の恋人のための口説き方 Googl'd as "How to woo your lover that day"
真実の愛は幾つあっても構わない Googl'd as "It doesn't matter how many true loves there are"
聖セスリーンの愛の花冠を贈ろう Googl'd as "Let's give St. Sethrine's wreath of love" - I'm pretty sure the "wreath of love" isn't a flower crown
二人きりの時の振る舞いと夜明けの迎え方 Googl'd as "How to behave when the two of you are alone and how to greet the dawn" and I'm pretty sure "greeting the dawn" isn't looking at the sun rising.
Seteth being a prude obviously removed this book - but also, and quite understandably, given how GM's Library is supposed to have "serious" and "for study" books, this thing here isn't related to studies, uh, rather domains that are being taught in an elite Academy, so to the Abyss they go.
"Seteth censor books" is more like "Seteth censors porn books and YA novels in Garreg Mach".
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Fodlan AU :
To create mayhem and distrust in the CoS, Solon has a grand plan : he will take Chilon's old porn and ask Cleo to write tantric guides, then have Thales "suggest" to some noble to send those new guides to the Monastery!
The Abomination's spawns will obviously be unable to refuse a donation - but if they are seen throwing it away, the lesser beasts will feel hurt seeing their "presents" casted away and the support for the Central Church will erode!
Perfect plan!
(i mean it worked for a part of the fandom so...)
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Wholesome Eylos Dragon fam. (Mind the Ivy catfight. Stay on the nose with fanservice, InSys)
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And once again, the male Avatar is treated seriously/gets the most interesting deal out of the two lol
I can’t have FEH’s catfights anymore since that pure mess of a Forging Bonds that was Aversa’s and Loki - I legit wondered if I should continue with this game or not.
Veyle hanging out with Alear and Lumera - knowing the events of the game! - is heartwarming though, maybe they were talking about including Veyle in the family and/or giving her new clothes and/or picking which room she’d like to sleep in ?
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To continue the woobified view of the Elites and my comparison of them to the Black Eagles :
Same for me regarding the BE, especially because they also literally fought Edelgard's troops in WC when you choose their house, and even if you don't, they definitely still would know that Edelgard dus nasty shits in WC.
The idea that media literacy is dead is quite fitting, because the idea that even rotten persons have loved ones/that having loved ones doesn't mean you're not rotten is a known thing, yet the Eagles and elites get a pass solely because "they genuinely believe in the cause" and "they love and care for each other"
Probably Fraldarius was as devoted to Nemesis as Ingrid to Dimitri, Lamine very well may have been as sassy as Dorothea, perhaps Goneril was as brave and endearing as Caspar, or Maurice was as loyal to his clan's interests as Petra to Brigid's happiness (through a strong bond to the Empire) but like the BE, they are butchers, who relished in the destruction of everything those against them hold dear, lap dogs and rabid curs of someone they definitely know have crushed innocents and scorn the very idea of peace except under their domination.
The only meaningful difference between Edelgard-following BE and the elites is that we can know more about the BE and we are forced to dislike cutting them down even as they refuse to let northern Fódlan alone.
Honestly I need a fanfiction where the BE are called out for that bullshit.
Yep!
That's the tone deaf feeling I got from Nopes, the Deers are hunting someone bcs their leader wants her dead for no reason, but Raph only comments on how hungry he is.
Uh, sure Raph, you're not the most thoughtful character in there, but come on? Some commentary or exposition on what you're doing? Hello KT? Can we have characters be challenged or even react to the events of screen instead of wondering what's for dinner/teatime?
No??
I wouldn't say it's an issue of media litteracy being dead, but more something in the lines of people being more and more "all or nothing" nowadays, without any nuance and conflating liking a character with the idea/image that might project on you : if I like ASOIAF's Cersei, I don't think everything she does is "justified", but modern fandom, I feel like some people would categorize you as a "good" or "bad" person based on the characters you like, and it's just... not what fandom is or was supposed to be imo, I'm here to nerd and gush about favourite characters, not write litteral essays about the Geneva Convention.
Corollary is what, imo, made the Fodlan fandom hell : some people really take "criticism" against a character personally - sure the way FE16 was written invites projection, but at the end of the day, making a Berning Fire Joke is, just, making a joke about a bunch of pixels, nothing more.
Back to the BEs, they can have a sense of camaraderie and genuinely support each other... as they tear apart "people because Supreme Leader told me to" and fight side by side with Bob the Carpented who was turned into Waldi the demonic beast.
Ferdie can skewer Flayn on her father's lance because she is "a creature that has plagued humanity for ages" even if they reached a C support before shit hit the fan - and still protect Mercedes and Bernie from their abusing Fathers. Does that make him a great guy? A nuanced guy?
I think the trope is called "even evil people have loved ones" or something like that?
I don't think so, but he is no random one note villain sycophant either - now, what is the more annoying with the Fodlan games is how this dichotomy is never called upon : everything is just a giant blob or Hresvelg Grey ("morally grey" but only applied to Supreme Leader) where no one really is angry at her, and all the "sacrifices" she's making are off-screen while the characters on-screen always moan about her "ReFoRmS" and "IdEaLs" without talking about the cost bar some milquetoast "but war bad". And no one, in the game, will ever throw this hypocrisy to their face - Gallant Ferdinand will dream about the Opera as he wipes off the blood of a young woman who just wanted to return to the only home she had.
Yay.
FWIW, some mutuals and I have nothing but pure lols about Doro's line in the non-CF routes being "we killed Ferdie professor :'(" because, hey, why should I care more about Ferdie than about random loldier 55 ? Rhea? Felix? Claude? Ignatz?
Maybe the Elites were really friends and became """"nice""" persons with time, to their families and loved ones ?
Does this magically erase what they did before? Will that "good" they did erase all the "wrongs" they have previously done? Will theyr forever escape the consequences of their actions?
In a game that depicts Flamey as a terrorist for 11 chapters only to drop that plot point by the window to moan, again, about her "IdEaLs", "consequences" are maybe something you can eat as a snack, or throw in a trashcan.
So following the rules of this verse, given how Supreme Leader never receives flak for her Flamey stunts, why should the Elites receive any for what they did? Look, Maurice calls Daphnel his friend, surely he is not that bad of a man? Well yeah, he might have seduced women and planted a lot of wild oats here'n'there, but he cares about his friends!
Jeritza likes ice creams and cats! Surely it's more important to paint him as a cat lover than to deal with all the consequences of his stunt as the Death Knight, kidnapping and implied rekting young woman while he was in GM, under Flamey's orders, right?
Calling it now, after eviscerating Seteth's older brother, Goneril might have melted in front of one of Rhea's kittens, and adopted the cat asap. Surely that makes Goneril a "good" character right? And forget the entire "genocided a bunch of hippies living isolated in their village" stuff?
I don't have fanfics recs where the BEs are called hypocrites, but I confess I don't read a lot of fanfics in the FE16 fandom because of all of the aforementioned issues.
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Can you imagine what the reaction would be from Edelgard fans if Wilhelm was ever made playable in Heroes, and instead of being against Serios or not trusting her, he is actually just her BFF who talks about her more then Cyril.
He also goes like, "What secret history about Serios are you talking about? dont talk shut about my bestie.
Willy in FEH?
Lol
More seriously,
Lower your expectations anon, after the nothingburger that was Altina's Supreme Alt, FEH made it clear that the Brave Supreme Leader FB and Hegemongard's FB were outliers - we won't ever get anything like this anymore, students will uwu about academy days and the friends they made for 10 months, Hanneman, Gilbert and Alois are old thus will never be released, and the rest is flanderized.
Assuming Willy is ever released though, I can see his lines purposedly avoiding mentionning Nabateans and being milquetoast "we must defeat Nemesis and bring peace to the land" x10.
Maybe his jp lines - heavily Pat'd - would have something like "Adrestia will unify Fodlan and make it a land for everyone regardless of their race" (Pat'd swap "race" by "background" like what happened in Engage!) which would destroy the "sekrit smokescreen theory*" to smithereens, but hey, we still have to this day people arguing Supreme Leader "You are a dragon you should not rule over humans" isn't biased against pointy ears so...
Ultimately, I think most people wouldn't care.
*That was already debunked in Nopes!
Willy being alive after the WoH and Lycaon's icing can't tell... Lycaon's successor that Seiros and her ilk control humanity, given that Cethleann and Cichol left, Macuil left and he goes to meet Indech in a remote location in the mountains...
But I guess Supreme Leader's words have more weight than what the game presents, or what Rhea'n'Seteth - who personally knew the dude - reveal about him. Sure, she's biased and all, but at the end of the WoC, the only Nabatean left to "act" in Fodlan was Seiros the Warrior - her brothers fucked off.
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Shower thoughts,
On top of being the only one, bar player privilege, to know Seteth currently has a daughter and had a wife, the onesm who rushed to her death to save Flayn, and one of the ones who immediately go to Rhea's side after she eats missiles and is on death's door -
Canon Manu also knows the song of nabateans (some verses Rhea isn't usually singing).
Add to that her book lusting after male nabateans, wouldn't that make her in a world where the uwu hammer rusted and disappeared, something as close to a family friend the nabateans, with all of their need for secrecy, have ?
Manu honorary lizard confirmed
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I think the example of the aqueduct in the Red Canyon alongside with how among Seiros's miracles was creating a canal through Enbarr that was vital to it's growth, couple that with how humanity flourished due to Sothis sharing technology with them, I think the game might be hinting that technology regressed under the rule of Nemesis and the Agarthans, the latter keeping their own tech away from those they deemed as base animals.
TBH I'm always a bit miffed by the "technology" talks, because while Agartha sure kept Sothis' more advanced tech and current Fodlan was supposed to be "age of discovery" developed, we still have magic, like, people can warp around...
Tech in general regressed post Sothis vs Agarthans war, but we don't know how advanced/far Enbarr was before the WoH - of course they didn't have elevators, but indeed, I suppose that, in general, after this war, Fodlan had to rebuild itself without Sothis giving tech bonuses anymore to accelerate the growth and development of humans - and here would come the sci-fi principle of "giving tech when people are mature enough" or something, so maybe the Nabateans wanted to let humans develop themselves first, and then would have helped later on?
I still find it fascinating that when Rhea was apparently "roaming around Fodlan clinging to her desire of revenge", instead of directing the Enbarrites to build thousands of mecha-golems, she... made a canal for them.
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in your half lizard au, if lycaon was really rhea's son, would she have agreed to let him fight?
Well, Rhea refuses to let Cyril fight in AG because his death would make her upset, and yet he still fights so maybe she allows the kids to fight under certain circumstances, unlike overprotective Cichol?
I have this scene where Lycaon, full of Hresvelg assholery, uses some argument like "you couldn't protect your mother and she died, but I will protect my mom" hitting so many guilt/trauma buttons at once (Rhea feeling like dirt because Sothis died, Rhea feeling like dirt for being Zanado's sole survivor) that she couldn't find anything to rebuke him.
Willy gets big mad and has him apologise at once to his mom, while Seiros the Warrior dissociates - it was Rhea who was a weakling and couldn't protect anyone, she's strong now, she is Seiros - a name taken after the Goddess herself! - a Warrior who is strong and she will protect her family.
Of course we all know how that ends when Lycaon dies :)
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French Enbarr !
They will even organise some historical reconstitution next month, Enbarrites vs Barbarians in the arena!
(without big kitties to eat barbarians though)
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