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rollychan·5 days agoPhoto

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Interesting. In the concept art for The Avengers, they made the aftermath of Loki’s journey look horrible. I wonder why they toned it down so much?

Wow I wonder what they’re trying to hide….Marvel we need answers

can’t be having Loki be any more sympathetic than he already is :/

Also interesting how they attribute it to his “journey through the cosmos” and not to where he has most recently been but what do I know 🤷‍♀️

i know everyone likes to claim that Loki’s shitty appearance is due to him being tortured (which is a valid hc) but the very act of teleporting through space probably had a lot to do with how beat up he was. Without Odin’s ‘dark magic’ that Thor used, I can’t imagine Loki’s trip was easy or pleasant. 

Oh, I wasn’t at all implying that falling through space wouldn’t leave any marks, sorry if it sounded like that

But he’s been gone for a year and it wouldn’t make any sense for either Thanos or Loki if Loki ended up at Thanos feet (figuratively since I have no idea how that happened or if Thanos himself somehow collected him from space or what) and then was sent on almost immediately after with the mind gem.

If that’s what happened either the writing was really really bad or Thanos was really really stupid.

Also, physical violence isn’t the only form of torture and we’re shown on-screen that the Other is in Loki’s mind and that the telepathic link hurts him. Constant surveillance + threats + mind invasion do not an ally make. The narrative does kind of point towards that. On purpose, because it shows that there is a bigger threat behind Loki that nobody has figured out is even there. It’s a little more than just an hc.

Oh for sure! Wasn’t really responding to your addition in particular, more of a general comment. I would love to learn more about what happened to Loki between Thor 1 and Avengers 1, would be so interesting. I guess I was providing a counter-argument to the popular idea that Loki was experiencing heat stroke or something like that.

Yeah, I’d love to know that too, and the interview where Tom Hiddleston talks a little about that gives nice food for thought imo. But I don’t think even the Loki series will go into that since it seems to have a different focus, sadly :(

The heat stroke / heat exhaustion theory is nice but I personally think that one can be explained away a little by Loki having to teleport to the / through the tesseract (it might just have taken more out of him because it’s difficult to do, and it’s actually a thing I have wondered about before, as in, how exactly that whole teleportation business from the other end worked, and I’ve theorized that he might have done his sky walking that was hinted at in Thor 1 but I digress 🙈)

I’m actually of the opinion that Loki hasn’t been physically tortured right before he was sent to earth since that would have made him less useful and give the humans more of a chance to counter him. But that’s just me and what I think is logical for Thanos and his underlings to do

I totally agree! The physical torture thing never really made much sense to me either. One possibility I like to imagine is that, whatever happened in the void, Loki was probably isolated for a while, which allowed him to ruminate on, obsess over, and twist his thoughts/memories. I mean, the first time he sees Thor and they argue, he says he remembers Thor essentially throwing him into the abyss, when Loki was the one to let go. 

So his mental state is terrible (justifiably so) and then he comes across Thanos, who sees Loki’s potential and drive and rage. Thanos makes him a deal and Loki takes it - for revenge, for power, to prove himself. Of course, Thanos won’t accept failure so he makes sure to deliver some threats. 

But Thanos is entrusting Loki with A LOT - he gives him the mind stone (which fuels the flames of Loki’s desire for revenge but it doesn’t hypnotize him or create feelings that weren’t already there) and an army - which I think actually took some convincing on Loki’s part. Imagine those deliberations between Thanos and Loki! That I would like to see. 

TL;DR I don’t think Loki was forced into his actions in Avengers, which makes him an even more interesting and complex character to me.

Yeah, physical torture right until the end may be the smart thing if you only need information, but if you want someone to do something for you it’s only smart in the beginning, like what happened to Tony when he first disagreed - they immediately kept dunking him in water and then they also hooded him (granted the hooding was probably so he didn’t know where to go), which are both forms of torture. But they still needed him to build them their weapon, so having him incapacitated from torture would have been really stupid. Same with Loki.

I have a feeling this post will be very long so I’ll try to organize it under a cut. (I’m sorry for the length too, I don’t know how to keep it short asdhjasdlals)

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You’ve really thought about this - your points make a lot of sense! I’m just having fun speculating now. I will also add a cut.

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I think I’ve thought about this way too much (but I needed a distraction at the time and when I saw other people saying that Loki was tortured my first reaction was “he was WHAT ? When?” and so I re-watched the whole movie and it suddenly made a lot of sense and then, because I’m me, I just went on thinking about everything else as well lol)
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I really like your breakdown of Loki’s thought process, I think that’s exactly right! I remember he also says something like “I’ve grown in my exile”, as if he was kicked out of Asgard, which is so wild because everyone thought he was dead! 

While I wish canon could give us all the answers, it’s also kind of nice to have the freedom to come up with all these theories! And with the multiverse, maybe each one is true somewhere ;)

Thanks for the great discussion! 

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I know most of you never thought about that, but… GUYS.

“What Can I Do” [wɒt kæn aɪ duː] sounds awfully like “водки найду” [vɒtki naɪduː], which means “I’m gonna find some vodka”.

“Can’t Buy Me Love” [kɑːnt baɪ miː lʌv] is another gem, because I know a whole bunch of people who sing along to that with the phrase “кинь бабе лом” [kɪŋˈbɑːbi lom], which means “throw a crowbar to that [tough] woman”.

Don’t be alarmed, that’s just the way we hear things. 

I do that even when I’m sober… T_T

Michael Jackson’s “I’m bad” sounds awfully close to “Обед” [abed], which translates as “Dinner”. So we often call this song ”The song of a very hungry man” ;)

It happens in spanish too!

“I wanna love you” sounds like “Agua en el hoyo” (water in the hole) and a lot of people sing it that way instead.

See also “This is the rhythm of the night” -> “¿Esos son Rebook o son Nike?” (Are those Rebook or Nike?)

I see this entry is revived))

I need to make another example: “Let’s twist again, like we did last summer”, the “ like we did last summer” is often sung like, “и трусы с лавсаном (and the underpants with lavsan)”. I’ve seen people singing that in karaoke. As you might have guessed, that… amplifies the fun a bit.

To conclude this part, I also need to make an honourable mention. Thanks to Taika Waititi, “VLADISLAV! Baby don’t hurt me…” has gone GLOBAL)))

In Dutch, these are called “mama appelsapjes”, in honour of the refrain in Michael Jackson’s “Wanna be starting something”, which sounds a bit like “mama apple juice”.


The real classic, however, is “ik zat alleen in een vuile kameel” (I sat alone in a dirty camel), heard in “Down under” by Man at Work.

My fave will always be the opening lines of “This Sex Is On Fire”. I genuinely have no idea what the actual English lines are, but in Dutch it sounds like 

“Eeuwen geleden                                      (Centuries ago)

Ik kom met het zout”                                  (I come with the salt)

Doesn’t even make any good sense but it manages the get me going every time.

It gets better!! We need more stories like that ;} Other languages, anyone?

oh my god, this is a huge thing in denmark with coldplay’s yellow. the lyric “your skin, oh yeah your skin and bones” unmistakably sounds like the danish “jeg sked, åh ja jeg sked en bums” which in turns means “I shat, oh yeah I shat a pimple”. it’s gotten to the point where it’s such a beloved joke nationwide that coldplay has been informed of it and find it very difficult to play the song in denmark because people simultaneously scream the wrong lyrics and lose their shit completely

I watched a Buzzfeed video about this and now I can’t hear Sweet Dreams Are Made of This without thinking “sin jeans al mediodia” (without jeans at noon)

Hay agua en el refri (I want to break free) is my favourite

The one direction song “one thing” is famous in France for beginning with “ive tried playing it cool” which sounds a hell lot like “attrape les mes couilles” in French :’)

AC/DC Highway to hell: when it goes “like a wheel, gonna spin it” in Italian it totally sounds like “le galline con le spine” which means “the chickens with the spurs” (?)

Since someone pointed it out to me I can’t I unhear it

it’s widely known in turkish pop culture that the french song “si tu savais combien je t'aime” sounds like “sutu seven kamyon soforu” which means “the truck driver likes milk” ???

my favourite in German is probably the line “it must have been something you said” from I just died in your arms

which sounds like “du musst besoffen bestellen” and translates to “you must order while drunk”

or, well, the classic “Zahnweh” (= toothache) instead of zombie (by the cranberries)

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rollychan·6 days agoPhoto

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Interesting. In the concept art for The Avengers, they made the aftermath of Loki’s journey look horrible. I wonder why they toned it down so much?

Wow I wonder what they’re trying to hide….Marvel we need answers

can’t be having Loki be any more sympathetic than he already is :/

Also interesting how they attribute it to his “journey through the cosmos” and not to where he has most recently been but what do I know 🤷‍♀️

i know everyone likes to claim that Loki’s shitty appearance is due to him being tortured (which is a valid hc) but the very act of teleporting through space probably had a lot to do with how beat up he was. Without Odin’s ‘dark magic’ that Thor used, I can’t imagine Loki’s trip was easy or pleasant. 

Oh, I wasn’t at all implying that falling through space wouldn’t leave any marks, sorry if it sounded like that

But he’s been gone for a year and it wouldn’t make any sense for either Thanos or Loki if Loki ended up at Thanos feet (figuratively since I have no idea how that happened or if Thanos himself somehow collected him from space or what) and then was sent on almost immediately after with the mind gem.

If that’s what happened either the writing was really really bad or Thanos was really really stupid.

Also, physical violence isn’t the only form of torture and we’re shown on-screen that the Other is in Loki’s mind and that the telepathic link hurts him. Constant surveillance + threats + mind invasion do not an ally make. The narrative does kind of point towards that. On purpose, because it shows that there is a bigger threat behind Loki that nobody has figured out is even there. It’s a little more than just an hc.

Oh for sure! Wasn’t really responding to your addition in particular, more of a general comment. I would love to learn more about what happened to Loki between Thor 1 and Avengers 1, would be so interesting. I guess I was providing a counter-argument to the popular idea that Loki was experiencing heat stroke or something like that.

Yeah, I’d love to know that too, and the interview where Tom Hiddleston talks a little about that gives nice food for thought imo. But I don’t think even the Loki series will go into that since it seems to have a different focus, sadly :(

The heat stroke / heat exhaustion theory is nice but I personally think that one can be explained away a little by Loki having to teleport to the / through the tesseract (it might just have taken more out of him because it’s difficult to do, and it’s actually a thing I have wondered about before, as in, how exactly that whole teleportation business from the other end worked, and I’ve theorized that he might have done his sky walking that was hinted at in Thor 1 but I digress 🙈)

I’m actually of the opinion that Loki hasn’t been physically tortured right before he was sent to earth since that would have made him less useful and give the humans more of a chance to counter him. But that’s just me and what I think is logical for Thanos and his underlings to do

I totally agree! The physical torture thing never really made much sense to me either. One possibility I like to imagine is that, whatever happened in the void, Loki was probably isolated for a while, which allowed him to ruminate on, obsess over, and twist his thoughts/memories. I mean, the first time he sees Thor and they argue, he says he remembers Thor essentially throwing him into the abyss, when Loki was the one to let go. 

So his mental state is terrible (justifiably so) and then he comes across Thanos, who sees Loki’s potential and drive and rage. Thanos makes him a deal and Loki takes it - for revenge, for power, to prove himself. Of course, Thanos won’t accept failure so he makes sure to deliver some threats. 

But Thanos is entrusting Loki with A LOT - he gives him the mind stone (which fuels the flames of Loki’s desire for revenge but it doesn’t hypnotize him or create feelings that weren’t already there) and an army - which I think actually took some convincing on Loki’s part. Imagine those deliberations between Thanos and Loki! That I would like to see. 

TL;DR I don’t think Loki was forced into his actions in Avengers, which makes him an even more interesting and complex character to me.

Yeah, physical torture right until the end may be the smart thing if you only need information, but if you want someone to do something for you it’s only smart in the beginning, like what happened to Tony when he first disagreed - they immediately kept dunking him in water and then they also hooded him (granted the hooding was probably so he didn’t know where to go), which are both forms of torture. But they still needed him to build them their weapon, so having him incapacitated from torture would have been really stupid. Same with Loki.

I have a feeling this post will be very long so I’ll try to organize it under a cut. (I’m sorry for the length too, I don’t know how to keep it short asdhjasdlals)

Keep reading

You’ve really thought about this - your points make a lot of sense! I’m just having fun speculating now. I will also add a cut.

Keep reading

I think I’ve thought about this way too much (but I needed a distraction at the time and when I saw other people saying that Loki was tortured my first reaction was “he was WHAT ? When?” and so I re-watched the whole movie and it suddenly made a lot of sense and then, because I’m me, I just went on thinking about everything else as well lol)
More again under the cut.

So, I think first I want to say that I 100% agree that Loki has not been brainwashed completely. He retains too much independence for that, imo (and too much personality if you consider that he did snark back at the Other lol)

You’re asking such good questions about Loki and Thanos’s meeting. I guess I got a little stuck on thinking Thanos “plucked” him out of space, or that he was taken to Thanos, so didn’t meet him exactly willingly, but that doesn’t have to be the case. We literally know nothing about how they met. The movie may imply things about their relationship, but not about how it came to be in the first place.

So Loki might as well have ended up on some planet and heard about Thanos. With how twisted his mind had probably already become by that point, he might have wanted to seek him out all on his own. And here I also want to agree with you that I can easily see how the Void could have made Loki much more vengeful and eager to retaliate. Especially if he let the resentment about how he was treated color all his perceptions.

I think Loki’s grievances are very much justified and he was in righteous anger and disappointment when he let go and fell into the void. And all that, I think, made it so much easier for him to let the situation twist his memories. Letting go turned into “well, of course I let go, they made it very clear I would never live up to their standards” to “it was their fault I fell, they could have done something” to “Odin may have forfeited me, but Thor could have grabbed me in all the time I was clinging to Gungnir” to “Thor let me fall into the Void and did nothing” to “Thor tossed me into the Void.”

And those things naturally are accompanied by anger. And that anger can easily turn into action.

Re your question about “since Thanos doesn’t need Loki, why use him” I’d say because he could potentially speed up his plans. His ability to sky walk (I’m just calling it that now but I just mean his ability to cross to different worlds on his own without the help of the bifrost, as he did in Thor 1) is immensely useful, especially to Thanos, who is seeking exactly that kind of power only on a much much bigger scale in the form of the space stone. He doesn’t absolutely need Loki, since he has his plans in place, but if he manages to use him well, he could take a short-cut to earth.

So if Loki doesn’t do what he wants or refuses to cooperate, he can torture / brainwash / kill him. It would be a little disappointing, but he still wouldn’t have lost anything.

Though I do think that Loki’s own plans aligning somewhat with Thanos’s helped Thanos a great deal. I don’t think he had to brainwash Loki extremely, as I said in the beginning. Though I still think it would have been stupid of him not to instill some loyalty in Loki and at least have a look at his mind to verify his sincerity. That’s why I think he refers to Thanos as his ally.

I like your take on the “you lack conviction” line - it definitely could have happened either way. And Loki realizing it doesn’t give him as much satisfaction as he had hoped would have been a great moment if they’d shown it (we were robbed - and it would also still give enough leeway to interpret it both ways)

The Hulk-deprogrammed-Loki theory is a nice one and I really do like it (just as I like the “Loki actually wanted to lose from the beginning” theory. What can I say, I’m a huge sucker for whump and h/c) but there isn’t actually anything in the text that supports it (same for the “playing to lose” theory). So I guess what I’m trying to say is I agree xD

I guess what could have and likely did happen is that it severed the telepathic link with the Other, since it seems the Other can’t contact Loki since the Hulk smashed him (or it could have been the magic-repressing-handcuffs, who knows).

I love love love those questions about Thor 2 and Loki’s imprisonment because none of what we see in that movie answers any of them lol But it gives so many possibilities for fic writing (personally, I like the “Thanos made it impossible for him to talk about it” and the “he believes nobody on Asgard will ever listen to and believe him” options… actually, I think I like all of them lol)

tl;dr I think I agree with you too lol Loki definitely wasn’t completely brainwashed and he definitely wanted at least some part of what he did (probably the part where people pay attention to him and take him seriously and listen)

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rollychan·6 days agoPhoto

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worstloki:

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Interesting. In the concept art for The Avengers, they made the aftermath of Loki’s journey look horrible. I wonder why they toned it down so much?

Wow I wonder what they’re trying to hide….Marvel we need answers

can’t be having Loki be any more sympathetic than he already is :/

Also interesting how they attribute it to his “journey through the cosmos” and not to where he has most recently been but what do I know 🤷‍♀️

i know everyone likes to claim that Loki’s shitty appearance is due to him being tortured (which is a valid hc) but the very act of teleporting through space probably had a lot to do with how beat up he was. Without Odin’s ‘dark magic’ that Thor used, I can’t imagine Loki’s trip was easy or pleasant. 

Oh, I wasn’t at all implying that falling through space wouldn’t leave any marks, sorry if it sounded like that

But he’s been gone for a year and it wouldn’t make any sense for either Thanos or Loki if Loki ended up at Thanos feet (figuratively since I have no idea how that happened or if Thanos himself somehow collected him from space or what) and then was sent on almost immediately after with the mind gem.

If that’s what happened either the writing was really really bad or Thanos was really really stupid.

Also, physical violence isn’t the only form of torture and we’re shown on-screen that the Other is in Loki’s mind and that the telepathic link hurts him. Constant surveillance + threats + mind invasion do not an ally make. The narrative does kind of point towards that. On purpose, because it shows that there is a bigger threat behind Loki that nobody has figured out is even there. It’s a little more than just an hc.

Oh for sure! Wasn’t really responding to your addition in particular, more of a general comment. I would love to learn more about what happened to Loki between Thor 1 and Avengers 1, would be so interesting. I guess I was providing a counter-argument to the popular idea that Loki was experiencing heat stroke or something like that.

Yeah, I’d love to know that too, and the interview where Tom Hiddleston talks a little about that gives nice food for thought imo. But I don’t think even the Loki series will go into that since it seems to have a different focus, sadly :(

The heat stroke / heat exhaustion theory is nice but I personally think that one can be explained away a little by Loki having to teleport to the / through the tesseract (it might just have taken more out of him because it’s difficult to do, and it’s actually a thing I have wondered about before, as in, how exactly that whole teleportation business from the other end worked, and I’ve theorized that he might have done his sky walking that was hinted at in Thor 1 but I digress 🙈)

I’m actually of the opinion that Loki hasn’t been physically tortured right before he was sent to earth since that would have made him less useful and give the humans more of a chance to counter him. But that’s just me and what I think is logical for Thanos and his underlings to do

I totally agree! The physical torture thing never really made much sense to me either. One possibility I like to imagine is that, whatever happened in the void, Loki was probably isolated for a while, which allowed him to ruminate on, obsess over, and twist his thoughts/memories. I mean, the first time he sees Thor and they argue, he says he remembers Thor essentially throwing him into the abyss, when Loki was the one to let go. 

So his mental state is terrible (justifiably so) and then he comes across Thanos, who sees Loki’s potential and drive and rage. Thanos makes him a deal and Loki takes it - for revenge, for power, to prove himself. Of course, Thanos won’t accept failure so he makes sure to deliver some threats. 

But Thanos is entrusting Loki with A LOT - he gives him the mind stone (which fuels the flames of Loki’s desire for revenge but it doesn’t hypnotize him or create feelings that weren’t already there) and an army - which I think actually took some convincing on Loki’s part. Imagine those deliberations between Thanos and Loki! That I would like to see. 

TL;DR I don’t think Loki was forced into his actions in Avengers, which makes him an even more interesting and complex character to me.

Yeah, physical torture right until the end may be the smart thing if you only need information, but if you want someone to do something for you it’s only smart in the beginning, like what happened to Tony when he first disagreed - they immediately kept dunking him in water and then they also hooded him (granted the hooding was probably so he didn’t know where to go), which are both forms of torture. But they still needed him to build them their weapon, so having him incapacitated from torture would have been really stupid. Same with Loki.

I have a feeling this post will be very long so I’ll try to organize it under a cut. (I’m sorry for the length too, I don’t know how to keep it short asdhjasdlals)

Okay, so I also think that falling through the Void messed with Loki’s mind, but personally, I do think that Loki didn’t have much of a choice with regard to earth.

Thanos had plans before Loki appeared. He doesn’t need Loki if Loki pushes his luck. It doesn’t make any sense to me at all that Loki would be able to bargain for anything. Thanos could simply torture and brainwash him into submission - he has both the mind stone and the Other, who can invade minds. I also highly doubt Thanos would just give Loki the mind stone without precautions not to lose it somehow.

Torture doesn’t make sense just before the mission, but to make someone do what you want later? Yes, very much so (see Tony’s situation, which was also clearly not the first time those guys tortured someone, only it just so happened not to work on Tony >:) ). And Loki really really wasn’t in a position to make any demands.

Allowing Loki to make demands would again mean that Thanos is either very stupid, that invading and subjugating earth was something Thanos thought might be a smart move when Loki suggested it (which I’ll come back to later), or that it wasn’t Loki’s idea in the first place.

Idk, to me it doesn’t make sense for Thanos to see some potential and to just let Loki make demands and simply make some threats that he, for all Loki knows, won’t be able to deliver. Thanos is playing to win, not for a 50/50 chance that Loki will keep his word. Especially not when he’s giving Loki one of the infinity gems, which are his ultimate targets. He knows Loki is porting somewhere he cannot follow unless Loki opens a bigger portal through the tesseract. And what guarantee does he have that Loki won’t simply keep both stones for himself?

This doesn’t make sense unless Thanos either tortured him physically in addition to mentally in the beginning to make him submit, or he brainwashed Loki. Personally, I think both happened kinda, simply because brainwashing is easier combined with physical pain (”kinda” as in: making him feel pain via telepathy, maybe, which would also have the added bonus that he isn’t incapacitated afterwards).

I think he was brainwashed to believe he’s an ally to Thanos. In my opinion it’s made pretty clear that he’s anything but an ally in that scene with the Other. It’s what I meant in my first reply: Allies aren’t under constant surveillance, threatened or hurt, all of which happens with the telepathic link with the Other. The way Tom Hiddleston acted in that scene also draws attention to how very uncomfortable Loki is (and he’s taking the threat seriously, which he likely wouldn’t if he didn’t know it to be true, and for that there would have to have been a demonstration).

And that whole creepy face-touching thing? All of that was done on purpose and against Loki’s will, just like the mind invasion. He is very much a prisoner, not an ally. And I believe we as the audience were supposed to question his “ally” status here. The whole scene was presented in a way that suggests Loki doesn’t want to be there, and it was also supposed to show that it isn’t Loki who’s pulling the strings. He is presented like a sort of victim in that scene. Not at all like an equal to Thanos or his underlings.

I said I’d come back to the option that Thanos thought it was a good suggestion to invade and subjugate earth:

At the time when Avengers 1 came out, mcu Thanos wasn’t quite fleshed out yet, and I get the impression the Avengers 1 Thanos was meant to be closer to the comic Thanos that went around destroying whole planets (instead of half of life) in order to court Lady Death. (That’s all I know as I haven’t read any comics)

I just re-watched the scene bc apparently I like to know things xD The Other says “to challenge them [humans] is to court death” and Thanos turns around and smiles at that. The Other also says that humans aren’t the cowering wretches they were promised and that they cannot be ruled, just before that death quote.

Taking this into account and how obliterating whole planets is nothing new to Thanos, mayyybe he just thought the invasion part would be a nice gift to Lady Death, since it was guaranteed to have a significant death toll.

In that case, Loki might have suggested it - but even if Thanos thought it was a neat idea, why should he trust Loki, especially with the mind stone? Even if all of what Loki did on earth was what he actually wanted to do, that would be no guarantee to Thanos that Loki’d keep his word.

Basically, it is the very fact that Thanos just gives Loki the mind stone that makes it very unbelievable to me that he didn’t torture/brainwash him. What would make sense to me is that Thanos (with the Other’s help) looked into Loki’s mind and saw how twisted it had become, and twisted it even more for his own purposes either just with the Other’s help or also with the mind gem (that would make Thanos a lot more confident in handing Loki the mind stone, too). What came out of that was the Loki we saw in Avengers 1.

tl;dr of my own: I do think there was at the very least some brainwashing and mental torture because Loki wasn’t in any position to bargain for anything, and that even if Loki wanted what he did on earth all by himself it still makes no sense to me that there wasn’t any brainwashing.

(I don’t really think it makes Loki any more complex if he wasn’t coerced into invading earth, but I guess that’s one of those ymmv things. I’d also be interested in your thoughts about this if you’re at all interested in discussing this further, since, you know, you can only think the way you yourself think, so you need others to make you see other ways to think and all. I hope that made sense because I’m kinda tired and should be in bed already lol)

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notesoflore:

rollychan:

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Interesting. In the concept art for The Avengers, they made the aftermath of Loki’s journey look horrible. I wonder why they toned it down so much?

Wow I wonder what they’re trying to hide….Marvel we need answers

can’t be having Loki be any more sympathetic than he already is :/

Also interesting how they attribute it to his “journey through the cosmos” and not to where he has most recently been but what do I know 🤷‍♀️

i know everyone likes to claim that Loki’s shitty appearance is due to him being tortured (which is a valid hc) but the very act of teleporting through space probably had a lot to do with how beat up he was. Without Odin’s ‘dark magic’ that Thor used, I can’t imagine Loki’s trip was easy or pleasant. 

Oh, I wasn’t at all implying that falling through space wouldn’t leave any marks, sorry if it sounded like that

But he’s been gone for a year and it wouldn’t make any sense for either Thanos or Loki if Loki ended up at Thanos feet (figuratively since I have no idea how that happened or if Thanos himself somehow collected him from space or what) and then was sent on almost immediately after with the mind gem.

If that’s what happened either the writing was really really bad or Thanos was really really stupid.

Also, physical violence isn’t the only form of torture and we’re shown on-screen that the Other is in Loki’s mind and that the telepathic link hurts him. Constant surveillance + threats + mind invasion do not an ally make. The narrative does kind of point towards that. On purpose, because it shows that there is a bigger threat behind Loki that nobody has figured out is even there. It’s a little more than just an hc.

Oh for sure! Wasn’t really responding to your addition in particular, more of a general comment. I would love to learn more about what happened to Loki between Thor 1 and Avengers 1, would be so interesting. I guess I was providing a counter-argument to the popular idea that Loki was experiencing heat stroke or something like that.

Yeah, I’d love to know that too, and the interview where Tom Hiddleston talks a little about that gives nice food for thought imo. But I don’t think even the Loki series will go into that since it seems to have a different focus, sadly :(

The heat stroke / heat exhaustion theory is nice but I personally think that one can be explained away a little by Loki having to teleport to the / through the tesseract (it might just have taken more out of him because it’s difficult to do, and it’s actually a thing I have wondered about before, as in, how exactly that whole teleportation business from the other end worked, and I’ve theorized that he might have done his sky walking that was hinted at in Thor 1 but I digress 🙈)

I’m actually of the opinion that Loki hasn’t been physically tortured right before he was sent to earth since that would have made him less useful and give the humans more of a chance to counter him. But that’s just me and what I think is logical for Thanos and his underlings to do

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notesoflore:

rollychan:

worstloki:

wayward-mutant:

itsmadness97:

Interesting. In the concept art for The Avengers, they made the aftermath of Loki’s journey look horrible. I wonder why they toned it down so much?

Wow I wonder what they’re trying to hide….Marvel we need answers

can’t be having Loki be any more sympathetic than he already is :/

Also interesting how they attribute it to his “journey through the cosmos” and not to where he has most recently been but what do I know 🤷‍♀️

i know everyone likes to claim that Loki’s shitty appearance is due to him being tortured (which is a valid hc) but the very act of teleporting through space probably had a lot to do with how beat up he was. Without Odin’s ‘dark magic’ that Thor used, I can’t imagine Loki’s trip was easy or pleasant. 

Oh, I wasn’t at all implying that falling through space wouldn’t leave any marks, sorry if it sounded like that

But he’s been gone for a year and it wouldn’t make any sense for either Thanos or Loki if Loki ended up at Thanos feet (figuratively since I have no idea how that happened or if Thanos himself somehow collected him from space or what) and then was sent on almost immediately after with the mind gem.

If that’s what happened either the writing was really really bad or Thanos was really really stupid.

Also, physical violence isn’t the only form of torture and we’re shown on-screen that the Other is in Loki’s mind and that the telepathic link hurts him. Constant surveillance + threats + mind invasion do not an ally make. The narrative does kind of point towards that. On purpose, because it shows that there is a bigger threat behind Loki that nobody has figured out is even there. It’s a little more than just an hc.

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worstloki:

wayward-mutant:

itsmadness97:

Interesting. In the concept art for The Avengers, they made the aftermath of Loki’s journey look horrible. I wonder why they toned it down so much?

Wow I wonder what they’re trying to hide….Marvel we need answers

can’t be having Loki be any more sympathetic than he already is :/

Also interesting how they attribute it to his “journey through the cosmos” and not to where he has most recently been but what do I know 🤷‍♀️

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worstloki:

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marvelheroes:

*sits in the back and contemplates the absolute disrespect and cruelty of that last comment about jumping out of the plane*

he right tho

#steve could’ve jumped#or dropped the bombas over water or some unpopulated areas#there was no timer#no reason he had to drop them or go down with the plane#he could’ve turned the thing around and flown back to peggy#instead he said something about there not being enough time??? why did he say that?? did i miss something? 

Peggy wanted to call Howard so he could help but Steve said the plane was moving too fast and heading for NY, implying it was programmed as the destination - the controls also showed it as the “Ziel” = target/destination, so that would mean the plane would just correct the course once the pilot isn’t steering it somewhere else anymore, which means there is no way for Steve to jump off without the plane merrily going back to flying for NY.

So likely Howard wouldn’t have had enough time to explain to Steve how to steer the plane correctly what with how long it would have taken for Steve to describe what he’s seeing (not to mention the text on the controls was German, so he probs also didn’t understand jack shit). It would have been too late. And by saying “this thing’s too fast and it’s heading for NY” he also implies (also by the images on the controls with the bombs in red) that the bombs were already programmed to detonate once they reached NY. He probably wouldn’t have had to activate them.

It’s also implied that the bombs are the reason it’s not safe to land the plane (the camera shows the control panel where the plane’s bombs are shown in red before Steve says that bit).

So the best course of action for Steve when he saw he was in the middle of nowhere over the ocean (and not being a pilot and not being able to figure out what buttons he could safely press) was, in fact, to simply bury all that shit in the water.

They could have explained that a bit better, but then, there were a few implications in what was said and shown and I’d like to think that we as the audience can be smart enough to pick up on them…

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bookphile:

It seems like we’re talking about pirating again because some asshole uploaded an arc to a pirate site before the book was published and the author is now facing a possibility of losing a contract with a publisher. 

So here’s are a few reminders:

  • when you pirate books you help devalue them 
  • you may not have money for books, but authors may not have money to eat, pay their bills, etc. 
  • you are stealing, which is a crime in basically every country in the world
  • if a book is pirated enough the author loses not only money they could have made on those sales, but also future contracts. so not only are you hurting book sales, you’re literally ruining a person’s career
  • if you pirate a book that’s part of a series, the publisher may decide not to extend the author’s contract and not buy future books
  • if you live in a foreign country other than where the book is published and you pirate books, you are hurting not only the authors but the chances of ever having more books published in your country, because the decision of a publisher to ever publish in your country is based on the sales and piracy rates
  • If you live in the US and pirate foreign books, just remember that the amount of published foreign books is very tiny, and you’re helping make it even smaller
  • no books shouldn’t be free because they take a ton of labor and resources to produce and are a business. 
  • It doesn’t matter if you decide to buy the book later, you still helped contribute to piracy numbers

Also please refrain from telling people to go to the library to get their books as a solution to piracy. Many places, even in the United States, don’t have libraries or don’t have free libraries, so it’s really a moot point.

Just remember that you don’t have to read the latest release or popular books. There are plenty of other reading materials. And if you really value books and reading, maybe don’t devalue them by stealing.

#Okay kids recite with me: pirating books is bad because it actually hurts people#pirating massive hollywood blockbusters tho? netflix? disney content? photoshop? anything ever made by adobe ever?#college textbooks? academic papers that should be free anyways?#continue please#hurting content creators? no#costing massive companies money? the definition of be gay do crime (tags @ stellophia)

I think you do a very good, succinct job of explaining it.

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hi okay you’re smart and i love your fics so i’m gonna ask you for help or kind of for an opinion: after watching the final problem for maybe the fourth time i’m LIVID because why the HECK did sherlock’s mother say that’s sherlock’s “always been the grown up” liKE????????? did i miss something???? what’s tHAT SUPPOSED TO MEAN???

Thank you!

Honestly, Mrs. Holmes’ line has confused a lot of people – you should’ve seen the number of “Since when?!” reactions. Really, Sherlock has been the overgrown teenager and Mycroft has been the responsible one for ages.

The only way the line makes sense to me is that in that moment, Mrs. Holmes wanted to emotionally hurt Mycroft. That seems like bad parenting, but then again the Holmes family isn’t the most functional family around.

Hope that helps!

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Do you think loki is bi, ace or pan?

It’s a good question, though, I’m not sure if this is a bait question considering some of the current discourse I’ve seen. I’m not here to argue and I’m not sure which Loki we’re talking about, but if it’s MCU Loki, well, I personally see them as bi-pan, but everyone is going to see them differently and if thats not what you envision, that’s okay. 

We all want to see ourselves mirrored in our favorite characters. We all want to feel validated. Loki is great because Loki is so maleable. Loki can be whatever you want them to be and you will be correct. I guess that can be true of any character you want to see yourself in though. So if you’re stressin, don’t. Go and have fun with your headcanons. Make them Ace. Make them Bi. Make them Pan. Make them whatever you want them to be. The possibilties are limitless.

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