hey! i just wanted to tell you that iāve been into kpop for so long and iāve always been very averse when it came to shipping real people especially because of how fans can easily cross boundaries and over-analyze even the littlest interaction to fit their shipping narratives BUT like. iāve been a stay for over a year now and iāve always thought there was something sus about minsung yk??? at first i told myself that minsungers were reading too much into it but Now that iāve seen your videos and read your posts i think they Might Be Real ā¦. For Real ā¦.. especially with everything that happened this year ????? the pool date ????? WANT SO BAD (i think itās really interesting how the first happy love song han releases is a song with lee know btw) (also cant wait for the 2 kids show) ?????? anyways whatever they are theyāre THE CUTEST boddaramji forever (sorry for the long post lol)
Ahh I'm glad you're enjoying my videos!
They really are the cutest. They're even cuter in 2023, if that's possible. ššš
For me, they're also the first kpop ship (over 10 years of kpop lmao) that makes me raise my eyebrows. (almost all of shipping analysis videos I've seen consist of over editing moments to make them seem more intimate than they actually are or doing some crazy mental gymnastics from words that the members of the ship in question say and then you go back and watch the original content and then you're like "tf there's nothing really going on here???")
But that year was actually insane and what really sparked my š¤Ø about them. Ironically it's not the moments that the majority fans know of (even the song, though it cements a lot of things); it was actually a series of moments throughout the Maniac Tour that completely went under most peoples' radars when put together.
You don't have to do things like slow-mo all of the skinship moments they have/force certain narratives of them and the other members. To me, the footage over the years as is (especially the less curated ones where they interact more spontaneously like concerts, vlives, and even a couple of the early fansigns) says enough.
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My Personal Opinions on Minsung's Dynamic (2023)
Disclaimer: I am not trying to pass off my opinions as facts. This is my personal interpretation of what is laid out right in front of us. I could be completely off base because I donāt know these guys personally, so take this with a grain of salt and feel free to disagree!
I feel like this is the year where theyāre as blatant as they possibly get.
This year, a lot more eyebrow raising moments come about. Ironically, a lot of them completely go under the radar under more popular moments (I.e: the neck kiss) that can be explained away as normal skinship (Han has kissed other members on the neck before) or even fanservice.
LK and Han seem a lot more settled into themselves as the year progresses. However, a lot of the habits weāve seen of them have not changed one bit. The way they act (in concerts especially) directly parallels to how they were during all of those fansigns back in 2018. Theyāre always goofing off together, always finding ANY kind of way to interact. Sometimes I donāt even think they realize theyāre in their āown worldā at times cause it seems so habitual at this point. Someone who has seen the group in person has said itās a lot more (extreme?) if you drift off to the side and pay close attention to those two.
This year (I donāt put fan sightings or airport pics, except the Jeju one lmao) thereās been an array of fan sightings (+ a few direct stories of their hangouts) of them during their off time as well. Like in previous years, they always seem to find a way to spend time together outside of work.
Now for a moment that I havenāt seen being talked about a lot:
Apart from their concert shenanigans, I think this one is one of the most telling. Itās during the YT live they have before Lollapalooza with Seungmin and I.N ā the one where LK has the zoomies. LK asks Han for his hotel room number and Han laughs because he obvs canāt give it away on live (a lot of people freaked out about this but thatās not the part that made me raise my eyebrows at all, there was nothing questionable about that imo). Itās Seungminās reaction, rather. As soon as LK/Han are within a closer distance and Han responds, he literally scoots up closer to the camera to block them and stays frozen for a while. I tried to think of any other reason why that happened, but nothing else seems to come to mind.
Moments that got a kick out of me:
Han stomping his feet as soon as LK strips off his coat (for him, not for the fans ššš) during Sydney day 2, as he was watching him through the big screen.
LK being V.I.P to Hanās muscles and blatantly checking him out before Han covers himself up during the one of the later dome tour concerts.
Han twirling his butt for LK (im not making this up) during the soundcheck before the second Los Angeles concert and the look LK gives him as heās approaching. šµāš«
And the long-awaited moment Iāve been itching to talk about. Maniac Tour - Sydney day 1.
Hooo boy.
Thereās a lot to unpack, but I donāt want to go into details at all, for good reason (I think itās pretty clear if you watch the clips). The way they were acting throughout that concert had me speechless, like they couldnāt turn off their giddiness for one second. Take a shot every time Hanās butt gets smacked/touched in that day alone. LK getting on YT live a couple of days after and trying to explain the ~lower body workout~ they had. If you notice how nervous he was trying to explain himself- šµāš«
Han couldnāt even sit down propā *gunshots*
But anyways, itās the most sus moment between them Iāve ever seen.
And 5-Star promotions. It was a time when Han was feeling noticeably under the weather. If you watch all throughout that period, Lee Know is so attentive and watchful of him. While Han strikes me as a āwordsā kind of person (case in point: their 2 kids show episode, Han was doing most of the talking lmao), Lee Know comes across as an āacts of serviceā type of guy. Youāre not really going to hear him wax poetic about the members, but youāll see his love for them through his actions. This is so evident here. You can see how much LK cares about him; the love he has for Han has always been so obvious, since the beginning.
From what weāre able to see, LK never seems to pressure (or even playfully tease) Han to act a certain way. He lets him be, all while being super attentive and being playful/funny as a way to make him feel better.
Also, Han being the one to write and share āWant So Badā (+ the times during the tour where he pointed at LK when fans would show him husband/boyfriend/girlfriend posters; I wasn't able to find the footage paired w/ the posters of those moments unfortunately) makes all of this so bittersweet. Especially when you look back at his reactions towards LK in 2018 with anything āflirtyā or potentially anything that toes the platonic line (i.e: the feelings discussion in the 1st 2KR). Having that little insight really pieces a lot of things together, especially when you go back and watch their moments from previous years. Again, they've come so far. šš
My personal opinion:
I believe this is the year they want us to know, or rather the fans who have long suspected something going on between them.
Here, theyāre at their 5th year of being idols (almost 6 years as a group). At this point, they know just how much they can get away with. The act of shipping is pretty ubiquitous amongst different groups because of the conditions we see them in (members are in constant close proximity with each other and we constantly see them interact). Which makes it easy for fans to partake in the act of shipping. These guys have been shipped with each other (and with other members!) for years now.
Skinship, Shipping, and āBromanceā isnāt exactly discouraged at all either. Thereās a long history of fans shipping idols together, within and outside of their groups. Fanservice surrounding this is also widespread. Iāve followed enough groups over the years to notice certain/similar patterns amongst the shipping side of the fanbase and the idols concerned.
Which is where Minsung come in.
A few of the things they do (or the group as a whole, rather) can be passed off as just that (some of the 'ments at the Japan DOME concert tour come to mind), but a lot of things weāve seen over the years cannot be explained away with FS or even SKZ-typical skinship and flirting. The āslip-upsā (I.e: Sydney day 1 lmfao) and the consistent patterns of their behavior Iāve compiled throughout these videos (I.e: LKs behavior in 2018, 2022, and 2023, especially) are at the tip of the iceberg.
Thereās the āyouāre my boyfriend, tooā moment. The reason why I believe it made the final cut in the vlog was because itās directly quoted from a show (also telling of how clever LK is). A moment like this could easily be written off as FS, however, itās their reactions to it all that make me believe itās legitimately a safe but clever way of saying something (before the more blatant Want So Bad was even written). As soon as LK jokingly says that his Gimpo friend is his boyfriend, he looks straight at Han and says āright?ā, as if trying to egg on a reaction from him. Han visibly looks taken aback, like he was almost about to choke on his food, probably not expecting LK at all to say anything like that. But Han (probably also familiar with that quote) says āWhat about me?ā. And LK responds accordingly.
Also, Felix/Changbin did a SKZ record love duet a couple of years back. Chan also suggested Felix do one with him during a (2KR?) episode. He recently released one with I.N too. Itās not exactly foreign to them.
Artists of the opposite sex collab on love songs/duets all the time. But I obviously donāt think any of the other members are more than platonic in any way shape or form because they donāt have consistent actual eyebrow raising moments that canāt be explained away with SKZās usual brand of jokey and/or playful flirting (i.e: CB/HJās dynamic), their no-boundary skinship, or run-of-the-mill fanservice thatās not unusual in the industry.
Opinions on the 2 Kids Show Episode (cause someone asked me about it and I thought it would be appropriate to add it onto here):
FIRST THINGS FIRSTā¦
I am shocked by the near lack of teasing from Changbin. I thought he was going to go all the way with the teasing (in a similar fashion LK did with Felix and CB). He did get a few couple of things in though (Like how Han said he was too tired to go back to his dorm after he hung out with LK even though they live a floor apart) and CB being like āooooh wow thatās a creative excuseā.
Iām also surprised, but not surprised by the vague description of āWant So Badā from Han. First, during his Q&A on bubble, and then during the 2KS episode. To me, that speaks volumes. Especially when you compare it with how Han normally speaks about his work and with how other members (who also did love songs) spoke about their own duets.Ā
And them saying certain things about their bond, but then kind of contradicting themselves minutes later is interesting??? A lot of things were kept vague-ish throughout the episode - compare with Felix/Changbin being more open/specific about their friendship and joking about certain things like the pre debut kiss vs Minsung being more lowkey-ish.
If Minsung just released āWant So Badā without doing much of anything questionable, then I would honestly believe they are just friends because, again, love duets arenāt exactly foreign to the group.
But take all of the genuinely eyebrow raising moments + the love song (and its more specific lyrics, i.e: the cosmos flower mention; get closer I'm not playing around) + the near lack of/vaguer discussion compared to other SKZ records/try to compare their "discussion" to I.N/Chan's and Felix/Changbin's + Han specifically saying as he went over the lyrics he was reminded of LK. It paints a pretty damning picture IMO.
Which is why I believe theyāre using whatever they have within their means (the pervasive shipping culture, the industryās familiarity with fanservice, other things that overlap with what other members have done/said in the past like the the duets, etc.) to say as much as they can possibly say without damaging their careers and possibly the careers of the people surrounding them.
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