Hey, Lore Olympus fans!
I was going through a ranking of the most powerful greek gods and I came across a certain comment that sort of made me feel a little sad.
We all hate Apollo from Lore Olympus... he’s an asshole and deserves to be brutally beaten with a metal rod.
IN REAL GREEK MYTHOLOGY... APOLLO NEVER DID ANYTHING BAD TO PERSEPHONE!!!
Rachel’s version of the story is very different from canon! She made Demeter create Persephone on her own, but in canon... Persephone’s parents are Demeter and ZEUS!! Yup, Hades is her uncle! (Thank you Rachel for not making this incest!)
As far as I know, Lore Olympus is the ONLY version of the story where Apollo did something bad to Persephone! In other versions, Apollo is not present OR he and Persephone are great friends!
The comment I saw on the ranking of the greek gods said something along the lines of, ‘I feel bad for what he did to Persephone though!’ and I just want to make it known that canon Apollo has been getting a bad rap.
For anyone else who is a Greek god nerd, we know that Apollo is actually famous for not even being straight!! Yeah, he’s had relationships with both men and women! If you have the time... I REALLY recommend you research the story of Hyancithus, a prince of Anciet Greece, and Apollo. It is one of my favorite stories from mythology.
In conclusion, LO Apollo deserves to fucking DIE, but canon Apollo deserves respect!
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Good Characters vs Good People
A literary analysis
Hello! This is a post discussing the differences between when a fictional being is a good person and a good character. For this post I will be using the fandom of Lore Olympus and the infamous character Minthe.
Now *Spoiler Alert* if you have not made it to the most recent chapter to when this post is made -106-. Just a general warning.
As most in the fandom (on the internet) know, Minthe is a well fought between Minthe-Stans and Minthe-Haters. Waiting to tell which side I am on until the very end, please know that this review and my own opinion does not condemn the other side in any way, and I ask anyone who reads and/or comments does not attack the other side. This is to be a peaceful discussion and ones opinions on a fictional character should not cause any animosity. Thank you.
Okay, what’s important first is to define the difference between a good person and a good character [character being used in the definition of fictional being in writing/media].
Good Person is subjective based on ones morals, but most agree that a good person if someone who has a strong moral code that benefits those they care about/someone who fights for the greater good. General Ex. the Jedi or the Hobbits.
A Good Character is a 3 dimensionally, well written character that has a personality and is more than a plot device [someone who’s only purpose is to push a plot (and yes I know every character should push the plot. This more means someone who shows up for three frames to help the main characters. Minthe is arguable a very important character and therefor not a plot device)]. General Ex. Anakin Skywalker.
Now there should be no argument that Minthe is a good character. She has been show. to have a life outside of the plot, has multiple sides showing in the comic, and has generally been shown a decent amount of respect from the other characters. I would very well argue that Minthe is a much better character than Apollo, who has only been shown as a kinda villian (unless you count those few panels when he helped Persephone’s hand, but he mostly did that to be a simp judging by his later actions and his constant objectification of her body).
But is she a good person?
This is why she is such a good character because it allows this dicussion of what makes someone good.
Minthe has been shown with her good (figuratively) friend Thetis, who is a very flat character. Granted that’s not always bad, as you can’t have everyone be a 3D character, but Thetis is only shown as a manipulative liar and sabotager. Very good for the story, but she is very static [Static character is someone who we know very little about (aka they’re fuzzy)]. She is shown to want to sabotage the relationships of others so she can look better in comparison.
Because of this we can see that Minthe has her fair share of manipulation and insecurities. Toxic friends are a real thing. But this begs the question- Does this excuse Minthe’s behavior in abusing Hades?
I will give a very simple answer. No, no it doesn’t. Abuse is abuse is abuse. She was very aware of what she was doing, and yes she was apologetic and we can see that Thetis had gotten to her, but this does not excuse her actions. In fact, one might argue that she is on the same level as Thetis. Manipulating and tearing down someone else so they feel bad about themselves.
Minthe and Thetis had no right to say what they said, and it shouldn’t be excused. It should be clarified that just because someone may have reason they are not exalted. Everyone has reason; it doesn’t make the actions okay. It just gives context.
Furthermore, not only has Minthe been verbally abusive, causing a psychotic break in Hades, but she also assaulted him. The moment a fight goes from verbal to physical, the instigator is at fault. Should the roles be reversed, Hades would have been crucified by the readers and we would never look back (and yes I am implying that maybe the social sexist roles that we had been spoon fed might have an impact on why this is not taken more seriously. Men are abused physically and vebally all the time. It should not be taken lightly).
The question should never be, “Is it that bad?” And while I haven’t seen a post with this question posed, it’s very subconscious in the fact that men being abused is often buried. There is no doubt amongst the readers on if Apollo is a bad character (obviously not saying r*pe and physical abuse are the same, as they should be two seperate conversations), but if Rachel made a larger backstory for him and had some subplot where he too had been r*ped or manipulated into sex, it would absolutely not excuse his behavior. The same should fall under all kinds of abuse, no matter the gender.
Now, is it forgivable? I am one to argue that everything is forgivable. But this does not mean everything is easily forgivable or I expect it from everyone. Some people will not forgive and some people will. But there is a different between forgiveness and second chances.
1) Minthe has been shown putting in some effort of reforming herself. Dropping Thetis, apologizing, dropping flings, etc. However, it takes more than a few days for the person who was hurt by an abuser to just forget about it. The abuser will have to take months if not years to completely reform themselves, because habits die hard. We saw this happen with Minthe when Hades took her back and it only took one night for her to slip again.
2) Hades did forgive her. He understood what had happened, or at least tried to, and is trying to let go. However, he is in no position to be obligated to take her back. He even tells her she needs to take time to fix herself (to which she got defensive about) (remember, apologies without change are manipulation, and abuse apologies should require more than cutting off one friend and saying sorry like 3 times).
3) I am well aware of the question, “If your partner met someone new and they were hanging out alone and flirting, wouldn’t you be upset?” Of course I would be upset. Boundaries in relationships will be covered in a different post, but it should be noted that this, once again, does not excuse abuse. While Hades should be taught a good lesson about appropriate touching of “friends” while in a relationship, boundaries had been set by him and Persephone before the assault, and he even constantly talked about how he wouldn’t cheat of Minthe, no matter how much he wanted to (pretty standard boundaries in my opinion). Did Minthe have a right to be upset? Yes. But she had no right to endanger others and attack them. You can be angry without beinng toxic. You can fight without being toxic. It’s possible for everyone.
Now the final judgement. Is Minthe a good character?
My verdict: Yes. She is an excellent character and one of my favorite “grey characters” due to her many sides, and how this allows the plot to move in different ways and helps develop other characters as well. She is well written, so much so that I am able to make this post in the first place.
But, is she a good person?
My verdict: No. She is a manipulator, who is not above faking a pregnancy test to keep Hades (he’s not property). She is abusive and unhealthy to herself and others. “But OP, if she went to therapy, bettered herself, apologized correctly, made amends, and didn’t allow herself to do these kinds of actions again, would you change your mind?” Yes. That is actively what a good person is. If she became a good person I would believe she is a good person. Well spotted.
Now, am I a Minthe Stan? Not really. Most Minthe Stans are Minthe Apologist and her apologies seem very fishy. She can mean them, but until she changes herself she isn’t putting forth the effort needed for me to Stan her.
Thanks for the long read, and please tell me your opinions. I’d be happy to further discuss with you at any time.
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