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givemewallywestorgivemedeath · 1 year

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Guys I need you to know about my weird ass dream:

Bart and Wally were hanging out. Everything was a pinkish-purple and slightly distorted, like I was watching them through a wall of rock candy.

Wally leaned over to Bart and said "I like men, I think. I'm bi. I always have been, I've just never said it out loud. It changes nothing in my life and it changes nothing about me but I think it's good to be myself. It's good to be honest about myself."

Now at this point I was shocked. Elated but completely bamboozled. I wasn't aware that this was a dream so I was F R E A K I N G out. I remember thinking "Holy shit, did DC just say that Wally is bi??? And have it just be a casual thing that changes nothing??? Without it disrupting his relationship with his wife or family?!?!"

My mind was running wild, which is why it took me a few minutes to process when Bart said "Oh cool. Me too."

Guys.

People.

I was ready to explode.

Then the pinkish-purple crystal wall they were in changed from sorta bi colors to just straight up the bi flag.

Which was weird because neither one had acknowledged the strange setting before this but suddenly Bart seemed to notice and he was incredibly confused.

Wally laughed. Like a cartoony villain laugh. And said "I knew it!"

Then he turned into Mirror Master.

I was sent reeling as I realized a) Goddammit, Wally isn't canonically bi, that was just Mirror Master apparently b) Oh holy, shit they've been inside a crystal/crystal dimension this entire time and c) Mirror Master's evil plan was apparently tricking Bart into coming out??

Anyway, I woke up after that but... what.

What the fuck.

#i don't... i don't even think Bart is bisexual #biromantic maybe #definitely ace in some capacity #could see him as aroace panromantic biromantic or something else idk #honestly even heteromantic ace #hes just ace. that is what he is #uhm #wally idk #wally i think could be bi if dc wanted him to be. but dc doesn't like bi characters in 'hetero' relationships #incredibly biphobic of them #so probably wouldn't happen with wally #also definitely wouldn't happen in adams run because hes... very christian... and sends off those low-key conservative vibes #which... not a fan of *that*#not sure why mirror master wanted to out bart but if it makes people feel better i didn't get the vibe that bart was like... in the closet #more so just no one had broached the topic with him and bart didn't realize that it was a big deal #Bart: I never told people that i beat dark souls either? do i suddenly need to tell people ever little thing about my life... ?#which good for him tbh. you go Bart #anyway im still reeling about this. i have no fucking clue why my brain inflicted this on me.#so now im screaming it into the void #im not even tagging this with identifying tags because... i do not want this to be findable lmao #i am inflicting this onto as few people as possible

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captainsupernoodle · 1 year

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hey u remember how vash spent his early childhood being derided as a parasite by his brother and then when he discovers his powers his brother turns around and says join me in destroying humanity because they are parasites :D

#i'm having a normal one this saturday #trigun #tristamp #tristamp spoilers #i don't think so? just in case #literally every relationship he's had since rem is transactional and i need them to Stop #and rem had a literal child's semi-alive body in her closet.

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ratgirlcopia · 8 months

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ranting but this time more meta-level ghost transgenderisms.

i don't think i can explain why ghost's whole gender thing is so appealing to me. like even if i tried. but i'm gonna try anyway because it's like. ok. there's the obvious appeal of a performer intentionally dressing up much older/more masc than they actually are. which appeals to my drag king sensibilities and also made me go "ohhh this is how i wanna age, actually." and helped me while i was realizing how much i wanted and needed to transition (rats video had a formative impact on me ngl). but then there's also like.

as a character, copia has this wild stage charisma that's paired with a lot of awkward, repressed, insecure energy in the chapter videos that made me go like. ohhh. oh i think you're also going through it. possibly in a way similar to me. so when i write and post about copia, he tends to be holding back a lot of himself, and whether it's gender or sexuality related, that doesn't matter so much (tbh the likeliest reading of canon is that this energy is just because he's autistic but. he can be autistic And Also Closeted).

and then we have these meta levels of drag. these LAYERS of drag. where tf is making himself look older and more masc to play this character who is in many ways very feminine. and does it in a way that feels absolutely earnest and natural. and that makes me scream. a lot. and the chapters are so camp cringe comedy but they have so much heart and they are so sad if i think about them for more than five seconds. ghost is drag and it is drag that kills me, personally.

#copiaposting #sorta anyway. mostly just genderposting. you Will read this and understand me.#copia is. such a good character. the autistim-repression energy that's so strong even though he's doing sooo much onstage is. something.#i don't mind if copia gets killed off! i really don't. but i would love to get a little glimpse of what's under all that repression.#it's just a really fun thought experiment. for me. because it requires accepting so much of copia's stage behavior as a front.#ghministry repression being a weird reverse/parallel of catholic repression is soooo good to me i'm eating it and chewing it up.#copia being awkward offstage and not knowing how to talk to people + having no significant relationships + not really knowing who he is.#so good. it's so good. it's such a good character choice. [points at him] you Are Very Closeted. in some capacity.#anyway repressed trans fem copia has been hitting me hard lately. extremely hard. much of this is why.#tf being so aggressively pro-trans is big for me. i would not be investing this much mental and emotional energy into ghost if he was not.#but also. there's no way ghost would have the energy it does if he was not so pro-trans. much to think about.

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04tenno · 10 months

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so why can't mine be bi?

I mean... I would rather people think he's bi than outright deny his attraction to Daigo. If I've ever said he "can't be bi" at any point, it's not because I don't think anyone should be allowed to interpret him as bi, or because him being bi is entirely out of the question. It's because the concept of him being bi is diametrically opposed to my personal analysis of Mine and the concepts his character portrays.

He's asked out by twenty different women (notably, he has never asked a woman out himself and explicitly says he has no interest in doing so) and he never once shows any enthusiasm when he agrees. He goes to hostess clubs and completely ignores the actual hostesses in favor of the men who drag him there, spacing out entirely the rest of the time when they're not talking to him.

He's also one of the only characters who explicitly talks about sex, in that in he says in Japanese he could sleep with as many otherwise desirable women as he wanted (again, emphasis on the number)... within the context of a list of things that he feels should have made him happy, but didn't.

The one and only time he doesn't act like he's being subjected to abject misery when interacting with a woman who's clearly attracted to him is at the end of his Okinawa character story, but that's... not really saying anything. People aren't gay because they've exclusively had bad experiences with dating. In fact, many people realize they're gay because they've had the "ideal" experiences, but still don't feel fulfilled. Which is exactly the sentiment Mine expresses in the finale.

Like… it's not for lack of trying, or lack of interactions with women. At some point it's just no use looking for the "right woman," because the "right woman" is never going to come along for someone who's not attracted to women in the first place. For Mine, the "right person" was Daigo Dojima.

#asks #my analysis #anonymous #yakuza 3 #yoshitaka mine #mine yoshitaka #can't really gauge the tone of this ask tbh #like fair enough if genuine; i've tried to explain as patiently as possible #but otherwise...?#like. you can headcanon what you want but i'm not here to validate your headcanons regardless of whether i agree myself #and it doesn't matter if i do. you don't need the blessing of Some Guy with (frankly) next to no following #but personally i just think interpreting him as bi is willfully ignoring the fact that this is.#very clearly the story of a closeted gay man prone to seeking happiness in things he subconsciously recognizes won't make him happy #very clearly portraying the equivalent of compulsory heterosexuality #and sorry to get heavy but it's genuinely a huge part of his character. his “selflessness” that only leads to hurting himself #like if just the dates make him miserable then what about when it escalates. to a relationship. to sex.#and he's continuing to agree to something he doesn't want... for what? the off chance he'll finally be happy? to avoid upsetting partners?#these are experiences SPECIFIC to being gay.#bi people can have bad experiences when dating but the sheer enormity of what's being portrayed with mine is something else entirely #his okinawa card. the one that's intended as fanservice for women and which has him pursued by women. explicitly states he “looks unhappy”#that being the case i just think this interpretation is... not true to his character #you're free to disagree #but i don't see what you expect me to do about that

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dogsliampaynedoesntinstagram · 1 year

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Hiya! Sorry this is a bit of a random message. I used to strongly believe in Larry back in 1d days, and since watching my policeman I fell down a rabbit hole with looking back at old Larry theories. I’m trying to look at everything through the lens of a rational adult rather than a 17 year old, but I honestly just feel lost.

I just now saw the RBB debunking theory that Mark Littlewood was responsible for them. I did a bit of searching to see other peoples opinions and came across your post from a while back.

I don’t really know how to feel about the bears. As a big part of the fandom at that time, I remember going to the shows and being excited to see what they were doing, and seeing the crazy amount of hype they’d get on here. It seems wild to me that it was just a sound guy who was really interested in queer culture… especially with some of the references they made to closeting/management control etc. if I remember rightly there were also specific references to H&L on their twitter (I’m thinking the bday posts?). Add to that the fact that the props and outfits for these bears were excessive… I just can’t imagine a sound guy having that much time and money on his hands. I know some of the things people were looked into were a massive stretch/coincidence, but there were definitely some direct references that I don’t know how we could of misinterpreted so wrong.

Then again, I saw another post from someone saying how could we really believe 2 people were in such a restrictive closet, but yet managed to get away with something like the bears. Maybe it really was someone who just didn’t understand how far larries would go with their theories. Everyone was so confident in the bears being at least linked to H&L at the time that I didn’t question it.

I don’t really know where I’m going with this ask lol. I just feel like I’m starting to go a bit stir crazy not knowing what I thought was real and what was complete BS. Maybe I was just completely delusional all this time.

Anyway hope you’re having a great day ha!

I find it really interesting to look back at the bears and see if my perspective has changed anon - so thanks for this ask and I'll try to answer as many of your ideas as you can.

I do think that there's every reason to think that Mark Littlewood was involved with the Bears, as well as them being in his area, the fact that RBB appeared at the Baaba Maal and Little Mix gigs strongly suggests that they ended up with a crew member. It was also always known that crew members were heavily involved in RBB - in the US tours they were set up before 1D members arrived.

I've always found the argument that crew members wouldn't have the money to set up the tableaus very unserious, and showing very little understanding of touring economics. The idea that that was an excessive amount of money to pay for a hobby over a course of year. The only thing that I can think of that was a significant amount of money was the watch - and presumably that watch belonged to someone and went back to them. Anyone on the 1D crew could have easily afforded to do everything we saw (you also mention time - there is a lot of downtime on tour).

So I think it's reasonable to take as a starting point that Mark Littlewood was involved and is probably (although not definitely) the person who ended up with RBB. From that stand point there are two sets of quesstions.

The first is about the travel after tour ended. Did Mark Littlewood travel with 1D after tour ended as the album was released? It seems unlikely, but not impossible (they did do some promo events that were more like gigs and which they might have wanted to bring their own sound guy too). The other part of this is - did the bears travel? At the time I assumed they had, because of the photos of them at Hollywood Walk of Fame (all the other photos could basically have been anywhere). But it would be possible that the photos of the bears were taken at another time. Like anyone who was into queer history enough to run the bears, might have taken photos with them at queer icons at the walk of fame just because it was cool. (Along those lines - does anyone know what time the Potato tweet went out? That would be interesting in terms of what timezone the bears were in (if anyone has a picture that includes the time stamp I'd be very interested))

The other set of questions is around the changes in the bears. One of the things that has always seemed noticeable to me is that there is a difference between the type of queer figures who were shown in the tableaus during tour and the type of queer figures that were shown on twitter. The figures in the tableaus during concerts included really deep cuts, some very British references and went back much further. The twitter references are much more mainstream. I always assumed that a slightly different group of people were involved after they stopped touring. So even if Mark Littlewood did end up with the bears - there's still at least one other person involved.

I actually have a third point - looking at the twitter feed and concerts now - it seems reasonably clear to me that the bears didn't go to Ireland. I wonder if they were left behind, or a key person wasn't with them. (It would be somehow be very typical if a large part of the 1D fans mystifying the fucking obvious with Belfast was a result of a packing mishap).

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So that's the questions about the crew members - crew members were definitely involved - one of those crew members was almost certainly Mark Littlewood. There are other things we can guess, but not a lot that we're sure about. The other side of the question is - were 1D members involved with the bears?

I'm interested in what you mean about references to closeting/management control. I don't think I understood any of the references in that way.

There were some direct references to Harry and Louis on twitter, both their birthdays were acknowledged (no other 1D members' were). In addition, the 'home/soon to return' comments seemed to reflect one of their travel (I want to say Louis, but it was a long time ago). In addition, you have the 'Love Larry' picture in London. The other tableau references I'm less certain of than I was - but the skateboard and the banana did seem very suggestive to me at the time and there's also the blue and green smiley faces.

To me it was this representation of Louis and Harry (as opposed to the fact that things cost money) that made it most likely that they were some way involved. It seems very unlikely that someone would be able to represent their bosses in a very public and noticed way and that seems to contradict the stories they're telling about themselves for the best part of a year. Particularly when you're in this weird little touring bubble with a couple of hundred people in it.

Do I still think that? Mostly. But the one thing that has become more clear to me over time was how chaotic 1D touring was towards the end and how much everyone was limping towards the finish line - and that does mean that I'm less certain than I was.

That to me is really interesting if you assume that Mark Littlewood ended up with at least RBB

********** OK one final point and that's your friend's question. But to me that opens up a whole other question. How restrictive was Harry and Louis' closet in 2015? (or perhaps more usefully is 'restrictive' a useful scale to understand these things under).

I think I would say there were three key phases to Harry and Louis closet while in 1D. There was the 'this is all really funny/nobody has any idea what the internet will do to filmed footage/homophobia means nobody will take this seriously' stage, 2010-April 2012 (with the combination of breaking America and Wellington). Then there's the 'We cannot control this and everything seems to make it bigger, this seems to resemble a myth or legend', May 2012-October 2013 (marked by the point that Harry more or less stopped interacting on stage with other 1D members). I think you could call October 2013 on 'a new equilibrium'. There's also an argument that things began falling apart from about February 2015 - but how much that was about their closet and how much about the band in general it's hard to tell.

I tend to think that by 2015, their closet wasn't so much restrictive as (with most parts of 1D) 'lets get this to the finish line'. I suspect that a lot of what Louis and Harry weren't doing (interacting on stage, being too obviously together outside of work) was about it being easier that way. It was easier not to interact than try and interact platonically and have people make videos of it anyway. Whatever their thoughts about their future were, when it was decided to go on hiatus that obviously also involved a decision that Harry and Louis weren't going to come out while 1D. I don't really see any contradiction between not wanting to be outted and wanting to express themselves - indeed I see that as pretty core to a closeted celebrity experience.

#This is obviously counter to a lot of understanding at the time #and the idea of 'a big gay war'#but the premises people were understanding things through #just don't hold up #so I do through the question out there #how do you understand their closets now?#(Obviously there's a n elephant in the room #that I'm obviously not addressing #because we don't know what was going on #but with or without that #how do you make sense of it all?)#For example #here's another idea that I'll throw out #I suspect that Louis being more public partying in 2015 #might have been about him no longer pretending to be in a relationship with Eleanor #So he'd previously had to hide his partying as part of performing heterosexuality

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