It's incredibly frustrating to me that in most conversations with pro/endos, they fail to accurately quote facts that are easily verified.
The DSM III didn't have a distress component - Easily verified as false
The ICD-10 doesn't include any description of MPD - Easily verified as false
Ross said this - Easily verified as... At least slightly misleading as presented
Freud didn't say that - Here's his book, have at it
MPD was in the ICD until 2019 - nope
Normal Dimensions of Multiple Personality Without Amnesia is proof of endogenics - Easily verified as flat out wrong and says no form of multiplicity is real
But the veteran-- Have you read the paper? Do you know what that doctor did? (hah DID)
Where they manage to win debates is in statements that are just unclear enough that it can't be easily verified in a simple, linear way, and where subjectivity comes into play.
Take, for example, the cultural exclusion. The DSM fails to accurately define what this means, and so it can be taken in a very broad, surface level way, or it can be taken to hold much more weight and reverence in its application (and as someone with a professional background in social services, I'm telling you, it's the second one).
As long as a pro/endo continues to point this fact out, it doesn't matter how much research you cite. You could have forty peer reviewed articles to their one (and it's not even an article, it's an interview with a tulpa). You could have access to all those articles and books hidden behind paywalls.
As long as they can find an equally subjective, weakly defined quote, the cycle continues. You present further research--mountains of it, now trying to prove a tangential point. You show instances of the author they quoted making a more definitive statement in another paper.
By the time you've hit this point, no one cares how much research there is or the sheer number of clinicians repeatedly saying the same things across multiple studies and papers.
The path from point A to point B has become distorted and now you're "reaching" to apply things and the original point is lost.
And all it takes is continuing to hold on to obscure statements that could potentially be taken the other way, if you ignore supporting evidence.
It is impossible to prove to them that what you're saying has merit-- not because you lack evidence, but because you can't disprove the uncertainty with a definitive enough statement.
These statements are so simple, so basic to the fundamentals of psychology, that you won't find anyone purposefully defining them in a way that will satisfy pro/endos.
Take, again, the cultural exclusion. Did you know that there's a section in the back of the DSM that gives examples of cultural forms of dissociation?
No.
Guaranteed you did not know that.
But it's there. None of the things described are remotely similar to the very recent trend of lonely white boys in America making pony tulpas in their teens (you can't come for me, that's practically a direct quote from your favorite tulpa author).
But my point is, we frequently overlook this obvious lack of knowledge of general psychology and essential basic resources.
We continually ignore that these corrections mean that they are not knowledgeable in what they're talking about.
But they look knowledgeable in other areas because you can't win against a subjective experience.
Hell, one of the most used sources being used, in every screencapture, follows the quote with "but this is disputed", and no one bats an eye.
But how can you properly judge what you're experiencing if you don't have even the basic knowledge needed to be interpreting the weakly defined concepts you're arguing for or against?
Most can't even accurately define trauma or dissociation and can't access proper articles, how can we be expected to blindly accept their judgement?
I understand the whole, "no one knows you better than yourself." That is absolutely true and I fully support that statement (shocking, I know). My issue comes from the fact that there is an obvious and clear lack of knowledge on the language and concepts surrounding their experiences.
Yes, absolutely, you are experiencing this thing, I believe you and I support you.
But I also see the statements that are so off the mark that I can't, in good conscious, believe your own unsubstantiated theories about how and why it's happening, and the only language you have to use is twisted versions of another concept entirely.
Now, when I say that, I'm talking about things like gateway systems and walk ins and walk outs, the supernatural being introduced to the same discussions as DID and OSDD.
Or of being born plural, where the TOSD briefly describes the unintegrated sense of self that all children have and the definition of "trauma" is so incredibly misunderstood, and how symptoms of other disorders can subjectively feel like the symptoms of another, but no one wants to hear that, or about the harm that incorrect treatments based on biased, uneducated self reporting can cause.
And it goes on and on, repeating on a loop.
And we just keep ignoring that they can't even get basic facts right.
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Anxiety is the worst
I know there's nothing to be anxious about, I have a plan-- steps to follow to complete the tasks, backup plans, and I know, rationally, that everything will be fine
But it's an all out war with your own brain as it irrationally and desperately fights you every step of the way until you're spiraling with no way of pulling out of it, because you still have to do the tasks
Even if you're lucky enough to be able to cancel plans, there's just going to be more anxiety, but now with self loathing 🤗
It's great
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something i’ve been thinking about lately is like. growing up muslim right after 9/11 is something i’d never really reflected on much because it was all i’d ever known — at 5, my friend’s mum didn’t let her invite me to her birthday party because i was the only brown girl in our class, at 12, my classmates would joke about my family being part of isis, at 16, my dad was interrogated by american airport security for hours — and it always stung and it always hurt but it was just the way things were because the western world hated muslims. but i don’t think i’ve ever fully comprehended the extent to which we were hated until now.
palestine is being turned into a mass graveyard. every single day there are new photos of the atrocities being carried out against them and videos of them pleading for help and still those who can actually intervene turn a blind eye. israel is claiming to only be targeting hamas “terrorists” while bombing a refugee camp. israeli police raided and assaulted a non-zionist jewish neighbourhood. israeli soldiers are posting tiktoks of them torturing captured palestinians. this is not a complicated issue and it never has been. ethnic cleansing is being committed right in front of us. and yet the western world leaders refuse to call for a ceasefire.
and while zionist organisations accuse pro-palestine demonstrations of anti-semitism, while zionist celebrities insist that they’re afraid to leave their mansions in los angeles, a six year old muslim boy was stabbed to death and his mother wounded in the same attack in chicago. a muslim doctor was murdered while sitting outside her apartment complex in texas. hundreds of peaceful protesters have been arrested (many of whom have been jewish). despite what zionists want you to believe, this is not a jewish/muslim conflict. i have so much love and gratitude to my brave jewish brothers and sisters all over the world who are condemning israel for their actions.
ultimately, israel have been granted impunity by the west. they have slaughtered thousands upon thousands of innocent palestinians. they have bombed hospitals and schools indiscriminately. they have used white phosphorus, violating the geneva convention. they have completely eradicated nearly 900 bloodlines. how many more need to be wiped out? how many more children need to be buried underneath the rubble? how many more doctors need to be confronted with the bodies of their own family members? how many more journalists need to detail the horrific acts of violence they are witnessing? what more can be done to the palestinian people that has not been done already?
i truly believe that palestine will be free one day. i believe the palestinian people will receive the justice they finally deserve. but what breaks my heart is how much they have suffered and will continue to suffer before they are deemed worthy of help. and it would be to all of our detriment if we ignored how much of a factor palestine being a predominantly muslim state has played into the way the world has reacted to their genocide.
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