Bill Hader Discusses Richie Tozier’s Secret in ‘It Chapter Two’
Was Richie’s sexuality something you discussed with Andy Muschietti before filming started?
Andy and I talked about how overt we should make it, and I said if it’s not overt, then why is he in the movie? You can’t do a half measure on it. You’ve got to go the full way or don’t even allude to it. Let’s not be coy. Let’s just say what it is.
Did knowing this detail about him affect how you played the character?
It just gave me more to play. We did a lot of different versions of Eddie’s death scene. We did one where he’s clearly dead, and I’m refusing to recognize it. And some where I was very tender with him, where I’m caressing his face — this is the person I love, and it wasn’t just lust. It’s truly love.
[In other scenes] I was playing off James, but knowing on some level that I loved him. It’s something [Richie] can’t connect to, so he has to hate that thing. It’s very adolescent. “I have a crush on you, but I don’t want to tell you that, so I’m going to push you away. But man, if he made the first move, that’d be the best thing ever.
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Celebrating Supernatural's humanity in its time of dying
It’s also worth noting that the show’s message works, in part, because the people involved in creating it are pretty great themselves. In 2016, when Supernatural won EW’s fan-voted cover contest, I landed my first cover story. It meant traveling to Vancouver for a set visit. It meant having dinner with Jared and Jensen. It meant I was nervous. We sat down to dinner, and within 60 seconds, Jensen ordered tequila shots for the table, followed by Jared thanking me for flying up there because “this means a lot to us.” Instantly, I realized that this interview wasn’t a task that they were dreading. It was a celebration, and they were going to enjoy it. Nothing was more apparent to me during that meal than how much they love Supernatural. They’d pull up old scenes that they were proud of on their phones for all of us to watch. As Jared said to me, “Goddammit, if you’re going to do something that makes a difference then it has to mean something to you.” The other thing that became obvious as the guys talked about the show was that if you loved it too, you were family to them. Much like Sam and Dean, they see the good in people.
As the interview was winding down, and desserts were being ordered, I offered to turn off my tape recorder so that they could speak freely. (It’s something you’ll see a lot as a journalist, the way someone’s body language changes when that red light isn’t staring at them.) Jared reached out and stopped me. “We trust you,” he said. And he had no reason to. But until they see bad in someone, they expect good.
That dinner took place at the start of the show’s 12th season, and the actors talked about how much they still loved their jobs and wanting to wrap things up before that changed. Cut to September 2020, and their last day filming as Sam and Dean. After a five-month hiatus from their characters thanks to COVID-19, it was time for the show to do the one thing it’d never done: Say goodbye. “The feeling I had that day was more like pride, emotional pride,” says Ackles of the final day of filming. “Like, look at what we’ve done. Look how far we’ve come, and look at these people who helped us build this incredible piece of art that we'll get to hang our hats on for the rest of our lives.”
Padalecki recalls the emotional moment when he and Ackles crossed the border back into the United States from Vancouver, marking the reverse of the road trip they'd taken in season 1. "It was right during all the wildfires, so the sky was really weird," says Padalecki. "It felt like a Supernatural episode or something. We crossed the border together and it just felt like a pretty poignant meaningful full-circle [moment]."
Fans will see the series finale, which Padalecki has already deemed his favorite of all time, in a matter of days. With God’s conclusion spelled out in episode 19, we know the installment will feature a more intimate look at the Winchester bros. “We wanted it to, in some ways, hearken back to where the show began, which was two guys on the road saving people, hunting things,” co-showrunner Andrew Dabb says, with co-showrunner Robert Singer adding, “It's a very emotional episode. It's a personal story really about the boys.”
But more than anything, it’s the final story, which leaves us to wonder what the series’ legacy will be. If you ask me, it’s the reminder to see the good in humanity, and to fight for it. That message will transcend every clever twist, every epic stunt scene, and terrifying monster.
Supernatural began as the story of two guys who wanted to do some good, and will end as the story of two guys who did a whole lot of it. When Sam and Dean have worked their last case, ganked their last monster, and eaten their last piece of pie, they can rest easy knowing that, long after they have stopped hunting things, their message will still be saving people.
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