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MCU Deaths That Still Hurt

*SPOILER ALERT*

Gamora (Avengers: Infinity War) - This 2018 gut-puncher of a film was about Thanos’s quest to find all six Infinity Stones to erase half of all life in the universe. By the time he captured Gamora for the location of the Soul Stone, he already had his hands on the Power, Space, and Reality Stones. When Gamora reluctantly tells Thanos the location of the Soul Stone, which is on Vormir. Upon learning from the guardian of the Soul Stone, revealed to be Red Skull, that to obtain the Stone, one had to lose that which they love most. Although initially delighted, Gamora realizes that a tearful Thanos must sacrifice his favorite daughter, and he tosses her off the cliff to her death.

Groot (Guardians of the Galaxy) - No, that sapling you saw at the end of the movie, the infant in the second movie, the moody teenager in Avengers, and the swoll tree in the third movie is NOT the same Groot you saw in the first movie! When Ronan’s ship was being destroyed, Groot sacrificed himself to protect the rest of the Guardians from getting killed, with his last words being “We Are Groot.” Luckily, he is survived by his offspring. That’s right, every subsequent appearance of Groot after Guardians 1 is actually his son. James Gunn even confirmed that the original Groot is dead.

Vision (Avengers: Infinity War) - Another entry from the 2018 blockbuster. Technically he died twice. In order to prevent Thanos from collecting all six Stones, Vision forced Wanda to destroy the Mind Stone on his forehead, although this process would kill him. Wanda succeeds in doing so, but because Thanos had already obtained the Time Stone (Quill couldn’t just keep his cool for like 5 more seconds), Thanos rewinds time to before the Time Stone got destroyed, just to yank the Mind Stone from his forehead, killing him again. And of course, this was the last Stone the Mad Titan needed to collect…

Phil Coulson (The Avengers and Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D.) - Another entry on this list that actually died twice. He was present in most Phase One films, being the S.H.I.E.L.D. liaison for each superhero in that century. He died by Loki’s hands during the attack on the Helicarrier, but was brought back to life prior to the ABC show. Near the end he died again (I haven’t actually seen the show), and was replaced by a Life Model Proxy. He always wanted Cap to sign his cards.

Howard and Maria Stark (Captain America: Civil War) - Tony Stark didn’t always get along with his parents, particularly with his old man. But he was struck when they were killed in a car accident. Winter Soldier had a “blink-and-you-miss-it” implication that HYDRA was responsible, but Civil War confirmed that it was a brainwashed James Buchanan “Bucky” Barnes. It was even more devastating that Howard died feeling betrayed by a close colleague of his. This was also the nail in the coffin for Cap and Stark’s relationship.

Spider-Man (Avengers: Infinity War) - I almost didn’t want to include those who “Blipped,” or perished by Thanos’s snap, as they were resurrected 5 years later by Hulk, but I made an exception, because c’mon, it’s Spider-Man! Since this version of the web-slinging hero’s introduction in Civil War, he’s become a favorite in the MCU. He was one of the last heroes we see get dissolved to ashes, and his last words stuck with us forever: “Mr. Stark? I don’t feel so good…”

Yondu (Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 2) - In the first movie, he was seen as more of an antihero, due to kidnapping a young Peter Quill after his mother succumbs to cancer, putting a bounty on Quill for double-crossing him, and repeatedly threatening to have the Ravagers eat him! But he actually kept him around because he was originally supposed to deliver Quill to his father Ego, and upon learning what atrocities Ego has committed to his other children Yondu delivered, he kept Quill around as a Ravager. He sacrifices his life at the end of Guardians to let Peter live on, giving him his spacesuit and dying in space after the death of Ego. For his act of heroic sacrifice, we was given an official Ravager funeral.

Black Widow (Avengers: Endgame) - Five years after Thanos’s universal genocide, resulting in the death of trillions, Scott Lang came back from the Quantum Realm. He pitches the idea to travel through the Quantum Realm to pull a “time heist,” which will allow the remaining Avengers to collect the Infinity Stones through different points in history in order to bring everyone Thanos had killed back to life. Natasha Romanoff, Clint Barton, Nebula, and Rhodey all travel to 2014, with the former two traveling to Vormir to get the Soul Stone. But those who saw Infinity War already know the price of obtaining the Soul Stone: you must lose that which you love. When Barton and Romanoff try to jump off the cliff, but Natasha ends up giving up her life so Clint could get the Soul Stone. She may be gone, but her soul lives on in the heroes brought back for the Battle of Earth.

Loki (Avengers: Infinity War) - Yes, we have a 2012 variant still very much alive thanks to the events of Endgame, but this entry is about the original Loki. Although he has “died” twice, this death is actually for real. Introduced in the MCU as the villainous brother of Thor, he has become a character we all loved to hate! He was given a more heroic role at the end of Ragnarok, saving the lives of the Asgardians while Thor causes the titular event to kill her evil sister Hela. Buuut, he’s still the God of Mischief as he just HAD to take the Tesseract before Asgard gets destroyed. In an attempt to kill Thanos, Loki ends up getting grabbed by the neck, and having it crushed by the Titan. His defiant last words: “You… will never be… a… GOD…” It’s more heartbreaking when the 2012 variant has to watch his own demise at the TVA Headquarters.

Iron Man (Avengers: Endgame) - “I am Iron Man.” The very words that started the MCU as we know it. Tony Stark is a character we have all grown to love over the course of 11 years. Yes, he was originally introduced as an unlikable douchebag, but after seeing how dangerous his weapons have become in the wrong hands, he decided to shut down his weapons manufacturing division, reveals to the world that he’s the armored hero Iron Man, and the rest is history. 11 years later, in 2019, we get the ending to the Infinity Saga, when Stark sacrifices his life to destroy Thanos and his armies and save the universe, uttering his famous line before snapping his fingers. The exposure to the gamma radiation emitted from the Stones ended up killing him.

T’Challa (Black Panther: Wakanda Forever) - In 2020, Chadwick Boseman passed away fighting colon cancer. When the Black Panther sequel was in the works, they named it “Wakanda Forever” as a tribute to the late actor. When Wakanda Forever begins, it reveals that King T’Challa, who took the mantle of the Black Panther after the death of his father, has unfortunately died of an unknown disease. Following the funeral, we get a very poignant Marvel Studios Logo, showing only shots of the late King of Wakanda. Rest in Power, King.

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worstloki · 4 years

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is it too much to ask for 4 different versions of loki to be running around the mcu

#I've thought this through #2012!loki (from another timeline)#2018!loki (resurrected from the dead)#2023!loki (reincarnated as kid loki)#1940s!loki (he stole steve's watch. duh.)#additionally you can have as many other lokis jump into the main timeline since the multiverse has been established and loki is like that #about the double main timeline lokis... 2019!loki basically died and ended up wherever (helheim or valhalla or somehwere else i guess)#and since he was dead he reincarnated as kid!loki and the spirit of mischief has been living on earth for 5 years #but since loki's just like that the original loki in helheim or valhalla or wherever got bored and decided to escape (walk out)#maybe time is distorted when one is dead or maybe he spent 5 years before he got bored or maybe he was waiting for thanos to die #for whatever reason now there are two main timeline loki's in the world of the living #if we're basing this on canon its likely that loki walked out of valhalla or made a deal with hela

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MCU: Is Loki a serial betrayal or not?

So one of the things I see often discussed in the MCU is the long, long history of deceit and betrayal that goes on between Thor and Loki that got mentioned in “Thor – Ragnarok”.

As various MCU movies and comics get mentioned, I made a list of the sources referenced so you’ll know if they might end up spoiling you. Consider yourself warned (or feel free to skip the list if it bores you).

SOURCES MENTIONED:

Movies: “Thor” (2011), “The Avengers” (2012), “Thor – The Dark World” (2013), “Avengers: Age of Ultron” (2015), “Thor – Ragnark” (2017), “The Avengers – Infinity War” (2018), “The Avengers – Endgame” (2019), “WandaVision” (2021)

Comics: “Thor: Son of Asgard” (2004) “Marvel's The Avengers Prelude: Fury's Big Week” (2012)

Direct-to-video animated film: “Thor - Tales of Asgard” (2011)

Motion comics: None mentioned

Books: “Thor: heroes and villains” (2011), “Marvel Studios The first 10 years” (2018)

Novels: “Marvel Cinematic Universe Phase One: Thor” by Alex Irvine (2015), “Thor: The Dark World Junior Novelization” by Michael Siglain (2013), “Loki – Where mischief lies” by Mackenzi Lee (2019), “The pirate angel, the talking tree and captain rabbit” by Steve Behling (2019)

Webs: None mentioned

Others: Interview “A Talk With THOR: RAGNAROK’s Eric Pearson”, interview “Joss Whedon told Comic-Con the question he doesn’t want us to ask ever again”, Interview “Chris Hemsworth (Thor: The Dark World)”, Interview “Tom Hiddleston Talks the Love-Hate of Loki and ‘Thor’”, Interview “Chris Hemsworth Talks Expanding Beyond Asgard, Interview “Building to THE AVENGERS 2, and More on the Set of THOR: THE DARK WORLD”, Interview “Chris Hemsworth ‘Thor: Ragnarok’, Embracing the Comedy, the Thor/Loki Relationship and More”, Interview “Avengers 4 Endgame: Is Loki ALIVE? Chris Hemsworth gave a massive hint at London fan event”, Interview “Avengers stars reveal one big downside to the job”, “How Taika Waititi Made Thor: Ragnarok So Damn Funny”, Interview “How 'Thor: Ragnarok' Honors & Deviates from Its Comics Foundation”, Interview “Empire Podcast Spoiler Special: Thor: Ragnarok with Taika Waititi”, interview “Kevin Fiege Talks Iron Man 2, The Avengers and More”

So now, let’s start with a quote from Eric Pearson, one of the guys responsible for the script of “Thor - Ragnarok”.

“Thor and Loki have had so many interactions, and alliances, and betrayals. They’ve been each others’ nemesis for so long that even they’re a little exhausted by themselves. It’s almost like the fatigue of dealing with each other allows this terminator like force of Hela to just walk in. They’re divided so she conquers.” [A Talk With THOR: RAGNAROK’s Eric Pearson]

So, since math is an awesome thing and “Marvel Studios The first 10 years” gave us an official timeline let’s do some math.

For start the official timeline.

965: Odin adopts Loki

2011: Thor

2012: The Avengers

2013: Thor: The Dark World

2015: Avengers: Age of Ultron

2017: Thor: Ragnarok, Avengers: Infinity War

2022: Avengers: Endgame (actually not mentioned in the timeline but it takes place 5 years after “Avengers: Infinity War”)

Loki is adopted in 965 so he and Thor are adopted brothers by 1052 years in “Thor - Ragnarok”.

So… “Thor” takes place in 2011 and overall covers three days and, in 2 of them, Thor and Loki are on opposing sides. At the end of “Thor” Loki is believed to be dead.

In 2012 Loki shows up again in “Avengers”. Thor arrives on Earth by night and spend there what, a day? before going back to Asgard with Loki, who then spends a year in jail with Thor never visiting him before he is freed in “Thor: The Dark World”, which takes place in 2013.

It’s worth to mention in “Thor: The Dark World” Thor and Loki are allied against Malekit before Loki is believed dead again and instead rules Asgard up until 2017, when “Thor – Ragnarok” takes place.

Anyway this means that in those 1052 years they spent together Loki and Thor had been on opposing sides for 6 years… during which only 1 year was spent with Thor knowing Loki was alive and only 4 days were spent with them actively fighting each other.

But maybe those days were days of intense betrayal… so let’s sum them up.

For start let’s remember everyone that betrayal is a deliberate break of trust, of faith.

“Thor” is the one which contain most betrayal, even though some things weren’t meant to be as such at the time in which it was filmed but whatever, let’s be strict.

- Loki ruined Thor’s coronation

- Loki had Odin warned they were going to Jotunheim so that Odin came saving their lives

- Loki lied about Odin being dead and Frigga not wanting Thor back.

- After making clear he was Thor’s enemy (I mean he sent the Destroyer to ‘Ensure his brother does not return’, could he have been more explicit?) he tricked him into helping him making him believe he was dangling on the edge of the Bifrost and needed his help.

Okay, that’s a total of 4, one of which done to save everyone’s live (and it saved everyone’s life but, as I said, I’ll be strict and still count 4).

“The Avengers” despite painting Loki as the villain, has no betrayal. Loki doesn’t make any attempt to paint himself as Thor’s friend, he doesn’t even call Thor ‘brother’, he makes clear he wants Earth’s crown and he has made clear in “Thor” he wouldn’t hesitate to kill him. Yes, he lies to him about sending the Tesseract away, uses an illusion to trick Thor into ending up in the cage and drop the cage on the ground and stabs Thor on surprise as they’re fighting. He however never let Thor believe they’re on the same side, I’ll say with dropping the cage he remarked how he wasn’t on Thor’s side since he wondered if the fall could kill Thor. If Thor didn’t want to get the message, this was not Loki betraying him, this was Thor refusing to listen. As for Loki surviving to a fall into the void and not warning Thor about it, that’s not betrayal either. When Loki let himself fall in the void it was a suicide attempt. His survival is a plot hole for whom Whedon didn’t really bother making up an explanation.

“Well, I can’t tell you exactly what went on because it’s this dark, dark secret that I didn’t make up yet. But, the other day, I had trouble with that because he had this very passionate Shakespearean tragedy thing going on in Thor and then I needed a villain who’s not only capable, but ready and willing and anxious to take on all these heroes. For me, he just basically went on some horrible walkabout… That was pretty much as far as I got.” [Joss Whedon told Comic-Con the question he doesn’t want us to ask ever again ]

“Avengers: Infinity War” suggested Thanos resurrected him, how is up to speculation. I wonder if it has to do with the mind stone, which somehow resurrected his mind in a way similar to how Wanda resurrected Vision. But I’m not sure Marvel really tried to figure this out beyond ‘it just happened’. Anyway Loki didn’t plan to fake his death, his survival/resurrection was accidental and he didn’t own to his family to send them a note saying ‘I’m alive’.

So we’ve a total of 0.

“Thor: The Dark World” has merely the fact that Loki again didn’t die when he was supposed to. Mind you, he was supposed to die (or if he were to survive this was meant to be a secret as the movie’s ending was meant to be very different), but then they decided to keep him alive and on the throne of Asgard for “Thor: Ragnarok”. So, he clearly was stabbed and let Thor believe the wound was fatal, then went back to Asgard, took Odin’s place, offered Thor the throne and when the latter refused, took it for himself. We can’t count the fact he told Kurse ‘You might want to take the stairs to the left’ as betrayal because, again, being jailed, he’s clearly not on Thor’s same side nor trusted. Betrayal is a break of trust from someone you believed on your side. An enemy doesn’t betray you, a friend does, and Thor stated he doesn’t view anymore Loki as his brother. We also know the action was a miscalculation on his part, he thought Kurse was merely a Marauder, a pirate, not a Dark Elf part of a Dark Elves’ invasion, and he didn’t think it would end up causing Frigga’s death, just some troubles for his father and brother who cast him in that cell and, according to the novelization, he was meant to end up regretting it short after doing it.

“The east stairs lead to the barraks. You’ll find them mostly unguarded.” Loki said and Kurse nodded, then continued on, glad for the inside information. Loki wanted revenge against Thor and Odin – he just hoped that he wasn’t getting more than he hoped for. [“Thor: The Dark World Junior Novelization”]

More explosions occurred aboveground and Loki glanced upward. “Don’t you think you ought to look into that?” he said. Thor scowled at his brother, then strode off toward the stairs. Loki watched his brother leave, a hint of guilt in his eyes. What had he done? [“Thor: The Dark World Junior Novelization”]

So okay, if we count the fact he let Thor believe him he died, and that he was Odin, we’ve a total of 2.

Which leads us to the amazing number of 6.

Now okay, betraying 1 time is 1 time too much but this is not a pattern that pervaded his whole life, this is 2 days in which Loki was not in his right mind due to pain (“Thor”) and a day in which he wanted to avoid being jailed for life as Thor has promised him he would be once they were to get back (“Thor: The Dark World”).

But, but, but, didn’t Loki betrayed and attempted to murder Thor PRIOR to “Thor”? And why aren’t I considering “Thor: Ragnarok” at all?

I mean, in addition to Loki betraying Thor for money, there’s this bit in “Thor: Ragnarok”:

Banner: Okay, can I just... A quick FYI, I was just talking to him just a couple minutes ago and he was totally ready to kill any of us.

Valkyrie: He did try to kill me.

Thor: Yes, me too. On many, many occasions. There was one time when we were children, he transformed himself into a snake, and he knows that I love snakes. So, I went to pick up the snake to admire it and he transformed back into himself and he was like, "Yeah, it's me!" And he stabbed me. We were eight at the time. [“Thor – Ragnarok”]

But the problem is to quote Wanda in“WandaVision” when her ‘brother’ talks about their shared childhood, this sort of relationship, well, ‘That’s not exactly how I remember it.’ From the previous movies, interviews, books, novels and extra material, I mean.

But let’s start with order.

So “Thor: Ragnarok”.

Remember Eric Pearson, the guy whose quote I used to start all this?

For start this guy never worked on a script with Thor and Loki previously.

The most he did was to be involved in the “Marvel's The Avengers Prelude: Fury's Big Week” in which Thor and Loki have some cameo appearances.

So let’s hear what he has to say about Thor and Loki’s relation.

“For introductions, working on Thor’s voice was really great just because Hemsworth is great with the script. He actually pulled me aside one morning to talk to me about the Thor and Loki scenes. He pointed out, correctly so, that what I had was retreading a bit of what had already happened in Thor, Thor: The Dark World and The Avengers. We needed to have their relationship exhibit the amount of awareness that it should have after the audience spent so much time with them on screen. So, the Thor and Loki stuff is also some of my favorite.” [A Talk With THOR: RAGNAROK’s Eric Pearson]

So Hemsworth informed his opinion and which opinion has Chris Hemsworth of the whole matter?

Well, his opinion on Thor’s relationship with Loki evolved as time went by… but FIRST let’s focus on how he believed it was their relationship during or prior the “Thor” movie.

“In the very first film Loki and Thor as brothers had a friendship where there was less hatred involved.” [Chris Hemsworth (Thor: The Dark World)]

It’s not terribly explicative but let’s say that they were more or less friends? So his brother wasn’t trying to murder him from childhood? He wasn’t betraying him from childhood?

According to Thom Hiddleston definitely not.

“I think Loki grows up with an older brother who he loves and respects. They play, they banter and they bash each other about, but there is a latent jealousy. Craig Kyle ‐ one of our producers ‐ always used to talk about the analogy of the quarterback and the artist. Thor is the quarterback. He’s a chip off the old block and he’s just like his dad. Loki’s problem is, maybe not his problem, but [that] he’s more drawn to the powers of intellect, magic, and the dark arts. He’s not going to be out in the fields throwing a hammer around. That’s just not where his passion lies. There’s a disconnect with Odin and there’s a disconnect with Thor. He loves them very much, but he’s not just made of the same stalk. In the course of the film there’s a big reveal both for Loki and the audience about the truth of Loki’s true lineage and who his real parents are. I think that begets any jealous that was within him towards Thor develops into a dark, cancerous rage that then becomes a destructive rage.” [“Tom Hiddleston Talks the Love-Hate of Loki and ‘Thor’”]

And the ruining of the coronation? As the movie itself said it was done because he didn’t believe his brother was ready to rule… but let’s also read this bit always from Tom Hiddleston.

“He’s certainly not an anarchist who wants to burn the house down. I think he has an inner conviction. He loves a practical joke, he loves mischief and he loves playing around. He loves starting a bonfire in the next room and hearing people scream, but nobody would be killed.” [“Tom Hiddleston Talks the Love-Hate of Loki and ‘Thor’”]

In short it wasn’t meant to cause any serious harm... same as warning his father was meant to save them. Of the 4 times in “Thor” in which Loki betrays Thor, 2 are not done with evil intentions in mind.

But maybe it’s just Tom Hiddleston?

Nope, we’ve the booklet “Thor: heroes and villains” agree with this.

“Loki is often the voice of reason to Thor’s impulsiveness and is usually relied on to talk his older brother out of sticky situation.” [“Thor: heroes and villains”]

“As Odin’s younger son, Loki has always known the throne of Asgard will never belong to him. He has, however, tried his best to be a good brother to Thor and a son Odin could be proud of.” [“Thor: heroes and villains”]

Then we’ve this in the “Thor” movie:

Sif: He may speak of the good of Asgard, but he's always been jealous of Thor.

Volstagg: We should be grateful to him, he saved our lives.

Hogun: Laufey said there were traitors in the House of Odin. A master of magic could bring three Jotuns into Asgard.

Fandral: Loki's always been one for mischief, but you're talking about something else entirely. [“Thor”]

The group suspects Loki wants to hand Asgard to the Jotuns, but up till the end of the movie Loki will have Asgard’s best interests in mind. His way to pursue them though, by destroying the Jotuns, is beyond ruthless but it’s not traitorous toward Asgard.

Also they’ve nothing against him beyond the fact he was jealous of Thor. They mention no stabbing episode, no murdering attempt no previous betrayal. Loki was jealous and they fear this had caused him to do something extreme. NOW. They’ve nothing they can use against him from the past, their suspects are based on Loki’s jealousy, the fact he’s a wizard and Laufey’s words.

Even the “Thor” novelization, which discusses their relation, doesn’t mention murder attempts prior to the Destroyer thing.

From Thor’s point of view:

“His younger brother has always been something of a mystery to him. While Thor had been eager to spread his wings, fight in battles, and go off on grand adventures, Loki had always been more hesitant. True, he had Thor’s back, but it was often only out of necessity.” [“Marvel Cinematic Universe Phase One: Thor”]

From Loki’s point of view:

“Why did he always seem to get into trouble because of his older brother? Wasn’t he supposed to be the wiser one? Odin has expressly forbidden that they enter Jotunheim. Yet it wasn’t the first time Thor had done something reckless. And it wouldn’t be the first time Loki was powerless to stop him.” [“Marvel Cinematic Universe Phase One: Thor”]

Loki had Thor’s back, albeit he wasn’t happy about it, Thor is the one who causes troubles, everyone knows and in the novel Loki is regularly sent by Sif and the Warriors Three to calm Thor down and make him think.

Long story short Thor and Loki seemed to be originally planned to have a relationship similar to the one they had in “Thor - Tales of Asgard” direct-to-video animated superhero film which came out in the same year as “Thor”.

So, why somehow in “Thor: Ragnarok” it morphed into the one they have in the comics “Thor: Son of Asgard” (2004) if not worse?

Well, somehow Hemsworth’s feelings shifted along the way between “Thor: The Dark World” and “Thor: Ragnarok”. He was aware of how Loki and Thor’s relationship was portrayed in the comics and this bits fits with how in “Thor: Ragnarok” he just wants to tell Loki he didn’t care anymore.

I mean I can’t say too much but I think in the comic books, you kind of roll your eyes sometimes at the amount of times that they’re back to being best friends so we wanted to keep in mind that he did just try to kill you for the seventh time, and Earth and millions of people and what have you, so… [Chris Hemsworth Talks Expanding Beyond Asgard, Building to THE AVENGERS 2, and More on the Set of THOR: THE DARK WORLD]

Without giving too much away, I didn't want to repeat that relationship either. And Tom felt the same. All of us were like, ‘What can we do again here?’ There’s a bit of reversal as far as... In the first films, a lot of the time you’re seeing Thor going, 'Come back Loki, and da-da-da-da.' [But now] there’s a feeling from Thor that’s just like, 'You know what, kid? Do what you want. You’re a screw up. So whatever. Do your thing.' [Chris Hemsworth ‘Thor: Ragnarok’, Embracing the Comedy, the Thor/Loki Relationship and More]

"Ahhh, he's like the girlfriend you break up with and they don't get the message. Like, 'You're dead, sorry, it's over,' and they're coming round to hang the new drapes. "The most poignant moments (of Thor's movies) have been with Loki." [Avengers 4 Endgame: Is Loki ALIVE? Chris Hemsworth gave a massive hint at London fan event]

Until we get to “Avengers: Infinity War” in which he makes clear he believes Loki fooled him time and time again so that he doesn’t want him back…

While the cast share an obvious camaraderie, a void remains after Tom Hiddleston’s Loki died in Infinity War. Would Hemsworth bring back his troublesome onscreen brother if he could? “No. Why would I do that?” he answers, blankly. “He fooled me time and time again. But on the personal side, I was with Tom since the beginning of this journey and I learned a lot from him.” Hemsworth pauses. “If you’re asking if Thor would bring him back, I think if he could have done he would have. But for me, I don’t know.” [Avengers stars reveal one big downside to the job]

…even if Thor would have (and of course he would have if we’ve to believe Thor’s tears in “Avengers: Infinity War” and his depression in “Avengers: Endgame” are due to Loki’s death and it’s not merely due to how ‘fun’ it is to have a depressed Thor who ends up neglecting his health by drinking too much and getting fat… because being a source of amusement isn’t really a reason why you should introduce a depressed character in a story).

So yes, maybe Pearson didn’t go to the right source of info for Thor and Loki’s relationship.

However, credits when it’s due, the scene about Loki wanting to kill Thor from childhood is not so much due to Pearson or Hemsworth but due to Waititi.

Hewitt: You know, there’s another moment I love, when they have the little huddle about Loki, and he tells the story about how Loki turned into a snake.

Waititi: Yeah, yeah.

Hewitt: And that felt improv’d.

Waititi: Yeah, there was basically- what we did about six different versions of that story, and that was just us standing around, while the cameras are rolling, while I would just feed them lines, and feed Chris ideas for some stories. I was, “Oh, do one, this one, um, say, “I was walking through a field, and I saw a lovely Turkish rug in the middle of the grass, and I love Turkish rugs, so I went to stand on it, and it was Loki, and he turned back into Loki, and it was a hole, and I fell through the hole, and was impaled in the hole, full of spikes”.”

Hewitt: *laughs*

Waititi: As I did all versions of that and I just kept going with- Yeah, the one with the snake just turned out to be the one we used. [Taika Waititi On Screenwriting: An Empire 30th Anniversary Special]

And so how did Waititi envisioned the Thor-Loki dynamics? This is how Waititi describes Thor’s live:

“To be perfectly honest, he’s a rich kid who lives in a castle in outer space. I don’t know any of those people, but I do know people who come from dysfunctional families. He barely talks to his parents — well, his mom’s dead now — his brother is trying to kill him his entire life, and he’s supposed to be king, and he doesn’t want to be a king. A lot of it is also this father-son relationship stuff of him trying to prove himself, or trying to find his own identity, and I really relate to that. My dad was a very big personality in New Zealand and in our area, and I’ve always been trying to do my own thing to separate from him, while at the same time trying to impress him. Which is the story of pretty much all guys, and probably most girls, who are choosing a parent to impress. That was my way in with him.” [“How Taika Waititi Made Thor: Ragnarok So Damn Funny”]

Why Waititi came up with such an idea for their dynamics is up to everyone’s speculation because in itself it’s not important if he actually got told about it by Hemsworth, Pearson or by Brad Winderbaum, who admitted taking inspiration from the comics for “Thor – Ragnarok”…

“I'll tell you the three things we looked at the most. We're pulling a lot stylistically from Kirby [but] we're also looking at the Walt Simonson Ragnarok arc [and]… God of Thunder, the Jason Aaron book.” [How 'Thor: Ragnarok' Honors & Deviates from Its Comics Foundation]

… if this is the result of that 1 short comic he read…

“That’s a thing about me, guys, I did not do my research.” … “I read one issue of Thor as my research. Not even a graphic novel, it was one of the thin-thin ones.” … “And by the end of it, “Hm, well, we’re not doing that”. [Empire Podcast Spoiler Special: Thor: Ragnarok with Taika Waititi]

Waititi wanted to do his own story, not a continuation of the previous movies.

“I was lucky enough they didn’t force me to acknowledge things- there were certain things in the film, like the play, which makes fun of the scene in The Dark World where Loki dies, but there’s a point to that play, sort of to recap what happened, but also to tell the audience, “This is not what you think it’s going to be, this film is not going to be a continuation of that. It’s its own thing, and what you think you expect from this film ends at this play.”” [Empire Podcast Spoiler Special: Thor: Ragnarok with Taika Waititi]

This is not the point where I discuss what I think of this idea of stepping all over the previous movies to create a ‘new Thor’ that the Russo brothers proceeded to dismantle in the next movie.

In 2010 Feige was already on board with the idea ‘the movie comes first’ and the ‘connective tissue’ is fun and very important if you want it to be.

“It's never been done before and that's kind of the spirit everybody's taking it in. The other filmmakers aren't used to getting actors from other movies that other filmmakers have cast, certain plot lines that are connected or certain locations that are connected but I think for the most part, in fact, entirely everyone was on board for it and thinks that its fun. Primarily because we've always remained consistent saying that the movie that we are making comes first. All of the connective tissue, all of that stuff is fun and is going to be very important if you want it to be. If the fans want to look further and find connections than they're there. There are a few big ones obviously, that hopefully the mainstream audience will able to follow as well. But the most important thing and I think the reason that all the filmmakers are on board is that their movies need to stand on their own. They need to have a fresh vision, a unique tone and the fact that they can interconnect if you want to follow those breadcrumbs is a bonus.” [Kevin Fiege Talks Iron Man 2, The Avengers and More]

“Thor – Ragnarok” merely took it to an extreme, retconning a lot from the original to the point some feel “Thor – Ragnarok” is a parallel universe compared to the previous 4 movies, with its own canon.

So when they needed a joke they didn’t bother checking the previous canon, they just needed a joke and so they added that scene, and it somehow got so popular it got referenced in two novels, sorta, even if in both gets ‘adapted’.

Once he was in the room, the servant girl would likely go unnoticed enough to eavesdrop – certainly less noticed than a snake, which had been his initial plan, and which was easier to imitate than an Asgardian. But snakes tended to gather attention – Thor would pick up any serpent to admire it. [“Loki- Where mischief lies”]

In “Loki – Where mischief lies” by Mackenzi Lee the stabbing isn’t included, the book only keep Thor’s fascination for snakes and his habit to pick them up… but the scene couldn’t have happened when they were children as Loki is a teen in the book and has learnt only recently to use shapeshifting magic.

In “The pirate angel, the talking tree and captain rabbit” by Steve Behling the scene is partially retconned as well.

Where in the movie is played as a clear murder attempt in the book we’ve the same story but in a different contest.

“Hey, what did I tell you about insulting our guest?” Rocket scolded, shaking his head. “If anyone’s gonna do any insulting around here, it’s gonna be me.”

Groot looked at Rocket, and enacted an impressive-albeit obnoxious-imitation of the same sneet that Rocket used on Thor just few second earlier.

“I am-“

“Don’t finish that sentence,” Rocket warned.

“Gr-“

“I mean it! You wanna have tablet privileges revocked for a week, you go right ahead and finish that though.”

If Groot had pockets, he would have showed his limbs stubbornly into them, turned around grumbling, and walked away. As it was, he didn’t, so after a moment’s stare-off with Rocket he simply muttered, “I am Groot,” then ambled away.

“He’s in an awkward phase,” Rocket said to Thor by way of explanation, turning his attention to the master control panel.

“Adolescence is never easy,” Thor said looking over Rocket’s shoulder. “I remember when Loki and I were children. Loki transformed himself into a snake, and because I really, really love snake, I went to pick it up. But the moment I did, the snake transformed back into Loki, and then he stabbed me.”

It was at least ten second before Rocket spoke. And when he finally did, he sighed and said, “Why do I have the feeling you tell this story a lot? Like, A LOT.”

Thor smiled wanly. “Maybe a few times,” he acknowledged.

“I bet this Loki gets a big kick out of it every time you tell it,” Rocket said, chuckling.

The thin smile on Thor’s face quickly fell.

“Not anymore,” were the only words Thor could manage before he turned away. [“The pirate angel, the talking tree and captain rabbit”]

While in “Thor: Ragnarok” this story seems to be a proof Loki is an homicidal maniac because it’s compared to him wanting to kill Banner and Valkyrie and therefore, despite the idea this is a joke, make the whole matter a serious business, here Loki’s actions are compared to the ones of a teenager tree wanting to insult someone else and being told not to. It seems one of those stupid things little kids do in anger, or thinking it’s just a game, without really understanding the consequences they could have (=killing someone). Thor seems to almost brag about it, as if it was a funny childhood tale about the idiotic things they did as kids, not a cautious tale against his brother and the risks of trusting him.

It’s still a story that’s clearly out of character for how Loki was meant to be PRIOR to “Thor”, but at least now it’s better inserted in the contest and can fit vaguely more with the previous canon.

But whatever, that’s it.

So, in a way, we’ve two universes, one is the Pre-Ragnarok one, in which Loki prior to Thor loved his brother and had a good relation with him, and the other is the Ragnarok one, in which Loki wanted him dead from childhood.

Both exist.

It’s something a part of the fandom is well aware of, but also something another part of the fandom is ABSOLUTELY unaware of.

I’m not going to tell you which universe you’ve to favour, if the one in which Loki loved Thor or the one in which he wanted him dead, that’s up to your personal preference.

But if you’re among the many who’re still confused about why the fandom has split opinions about the relationship between the brothers… well, that’s a summary of the history behind it all.

Honestly, with the incoming “Thor – Love and Thunder” and “Loki” series, I’ve no idea what will be the future of it all. Waititi will probably want to go back to his “Thor – Ragnarok” continuity… unless he wants to reinvent Thor all over again so we’ll get another additional universe for Strange to enjoy in his upcoming “Doctor Strange in the multiverse of madness”… in addition to the universes created in “Avengers – Endgame” when the characters changed the past and the ones Loki will be creating in “Loki”.

Sorry, Doctor Strange, I guess you’ll have your hands full.

#thor #loki odinson #thor odinson #mcu #loki #9 worlds study

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thebisexualagendasblog · 3 years

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Elaborating on my Loki Horcruxes post

So, a little while back, I made a joke post about how Loki has Horcruxes, and that’s how he keeps surviving.

But the more I think about it, the more I want to explore this possibility.

How would he have figured it out? Loki is a Realms-famous sorcerer. If there is a way to do something as crazy and incredible as splitting your soul to become immortal, he will have figured it out. (Since the end of Season One opened up the multiverse, it’s possible that another Loki might have learned it from a universe in which Harry Potter exists.) We don’t know the ritual or spell required to actually cut away the soul half and put it in a container, so it’s entirely possible that the non-Hogwarts-trained Loki did it.

Why would he do it? Maybe just to prove he could, to gain some respect and attention. But if that were the case, he probably would have bragged to Odin. So, no. If he had functional Horcruxes lying around, it would scare the ever-living shit out of Odin, so spite and terror might motivate him enough. Of course, there’s always the option that he wanted to stick around even if he died. Standard immortality.

Who would he kill to make the Horcruxes, and how many would he make? Laufey’s death is an excellent candidate for Horcrux #1. It’s personal and dramatic, and Loki was mentally unstable enough at the time to think that splitting his soul was a good idea. We’ll say that his precious helmet is the object made into a Horcrux. If there are more of them, I would say that Horcrux #2 was made by the murder of Phil Coulson in The Avengers. Phil Coulson was a major figure in the agency that had imprisoned him, so Loki had enough bad feelings about him to make the kill significant. Loki was also under the Mind Stone’s influence at the time, putting him in the right lunatic state of mind to create another Horcrux. He probably used an object that he could immediately get his hands on to stuff the soul slice into, so we’ll say that he used a piece of his armor. (Note that this is the same armor he wore in Thor: The Dark World. This will be important.)

How would this fit into the MCU timeline? When Loki fell into the void at the end of Thor, he must have figured that either a) nobody knew how to resurrect a Horcrux so even if they found his presumably lost helmet he would be permanently dead, or b) he could fake his death and escape the consequences of his actions by letting go of Gungnir and his Horcrux would live on. If we assume that Loki’s suicide worked and Thanos managed to resurrect his Horcrux, then that’s one life down and no Horcruxes left. Loki needs another one. Horcrux #2 is an innocuous piece of armor. When Loki is imprisoned in Asgard after the Battle of New York, he is unable to access the Horcrux because of his cell’s magic restriction. He is able to get the armor back after Thor frees him, accidentally renewing his little brother’s access to Horcrux #2. Loki looks very dead after being stabbed by Kurse, so we can assume that he did in fact die, and the Loki who returns to take Odin’s throne is Horcrux #2. Now Loki has no more Horcruxes. He hasn’t personally killed anyone significant since then, which is why he dies for real in Infinity War. It’s possible he intended to create a third Horcrux with the death of Thanos and make the murder weapon into Horcrux #3. Obviously, that failed.

OR...as the fandom widely believes, Loki has a plan, which is why he attacked Thanos with a butter knife. An already-existing Horcrux #3 might be the reason for this, a.k.a. Loki’s Plan. Loki’s Plan Step One is to create Horcrux #3 from Kurse’s death. Kurse is a worthy enough enemy: he refused to free Loki from the dungeons, he’s working for the guy who’s trying to destroy the universe, and he’s trying to kill Loki’s brother. Loki’s Plan Step Two is to fake his death at Thanos’ hands to throw the Mad Titan and everybody else off the trail. Loki’s Plan Step Three is...well...um...what is it? He doesn’t show up in the final battle in Endgame, unless he’s in disguise as a foot soldier. Basically, unless he’s very well disguised with an illusion, 2018 Loki is Dead™. Then again, it’s possible he’s got a master plan that will be revealed in future MCU shows and movies(Loki season two, Doctor Strange in the Multiverse of Madness, Thor: Love and Thunder).

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God of War plot ideas

I have been working on this for awhile but never had reason to finish it until now with the teaser for GOW Ragnarok coming out in 2021. Though it looks like GOW Ragnarok will be the last game of the Norse storyline, I still decided to leave this as a story for 2 more potential games, something the creators should consider doing given that that a lot of interesting things happen before and during Ragnarok in the real myth.

I can see the events of the second game happening near the end of Fimbulwinter where Kratos and Atreus have been living somewhat peaceful lives while still training to prepare for any godly foes, Atreus now knowing a few new skills like having the ability to heal Kratos a bit in battle or has learned to use Spartan Rage. Its also shown that Atreus has started acting a bit more like a teenager from acting out a bit more at Kratos and others to maybe showing that he has a crush on a girl that has moved into the area who also has a dislike for the Aesir.

This peace however ends when Atreus’s dream from the end of the first game occurs as Thor appears at their house, HOWEVER he is not there for revenge or on the wishes of Odin. Thor says that ever since Kratos killed Baulder, Odin has gone crazy about the coming of Ragnarok and it is driving him and the other gods nuts as well as make him unpredictable so Thor plans on checking on a few key elements that hint at the coming of Ragnarok and doing what he can to prevent them from occurring, thus slowing down the day of Ragnarok. He needs help however with a few of them and since Kratos started all of this he ask/orders them to aid him, and in exchange he help them avoid Odin. At first Kratos is hesitant given his past with gods but eventually agrees to help, maybe after having trouble fighting off a dangerous god.

Throughout the game Kratos and Atreus travel across the realms checking on several factors that are predicted to happen before Ragnarok like checking out the Fenrir wolf, the ship of the dead Naglfar, and the “roosters” of Hel to name a few. However each time they get to there target, said target almost starts another sign of Ragnarok and Kratos and Atreus have to stop it, which they do but with consequences that makes Ragnarok more unpredictable then before. For example I can see Kratos fighting Fenrir where he gives him a limp or breaks some of his teeth as a result or they accidently make the ship of the dead leave its port with some passengers and a few damages here and there.

Of course Kratos and Atreus also deal with monsters and other gods out to kill the ones who killed Baulder and/or effecting the signs of Ragnarok like Váli, a god in Norse myth literally made to get revenge for the death of Baulder, who could be the foe they had trouble fighting I mentioned earlier. I should quickly note that there are two Vali in Norse myth so I should say that this Vali is the son of Odin. Other enemy gods I could think of are Hod the god of darkness and winter who is the twin of Baulder,and the still vengeful Freya. Just like in the last game we would still get more info on the minor side plots that were in the previous game such as further exploring what happened to Tyr, go over Freyr the missing king of Alfheim some more, signs of there being Giants around the realms, and Atreus showing more signs of his Loki side maybe showing up after meeting that girl I mentioned earlier who could turn out to be Sigyn, Loki’s wife in Norse myth.

Eventually Thor, though clearly shown to be angry at Kratos’s actions throughout the game, give the duo one more task which is helping him kill the World Serpent. Kratos and Atreus refuse to do this, which finally causes Thor to snap and thus start a boss fight. However several factors occur during the fight like The World Serpent fighting Thor but causing the landscape to change, Freya appearing to try and Kratos, and Atreus trying to fight off Thor while also convincing Freya to stop this. Eventually Thor wounds the world serpent who retreats but not without getting wounded himself and also leaves but the game doesn’t end there as maybe a Giant appears to help out the serpent and the ones the resurrected him.

Because of this Odin makes his appearance and quickly kills the giant but after seeing Kratos, Odin tries to kill him as payback for causing Ragnarok. Freya tries to stop Odin saying Kratos is her kill, but he uses some magic to knock her out where Odin kills Kratos using the weapon Freya had ready for him. Maybe like in Fallen Order you could try to fight Odin but you always lose ? This is the final straw for Atreus as this finally makes him transform into Loki, symbolizing this by “giving birth” to the World Serpent, which in my opinion is what is going on in that image on the prophecy wall in GOW 2018. With his true self released and the realization that the Giants HAVE been reborn due to Faye’s ashes, Atreus-Loki and the giants walk to Asgard to start Ragnarok ending the game, but not before seeing Kratos’s body twitch a bit as a shadow is seen near his body.

The third game is the whole shebang.

The game could open with Kratos waking up in Valhalla where though he enjoys the beauty of the place, he tries to get out the area but before he can get a chance he is quickly identified as the guy who started Ragnarok and the warriors there start to fight him, starting the training level. Odin then makes a quick appearance there to fully destroy Kratos’s souls but before he can, Kratos disappears.

Turns out Freya brought him back to life and apologizes for trying to kill him as well as having a hand in turning his son against the gods but Kratos surprising forgives her as all he care as all he cares about is saving his son and stopping him from destroying to world like he did in God of War 3 with Freya taking up the role of Kratos sidekick. This could work as with Odin killing Kratos with Freya’s weapon, this fulfills her promise of killing him and she never said she couldn’t bring him back to life afterwards.

Throughout the game Kratos and Freya, along with Brok and Sindri on occasion and maybe a few new allies, travel the realms and partake in battles trying to not only to prevent Ragnarok from destroying the world but also try and save Atreus who Kratos believes can be saved. One idea for a new possible idea is a Vanir god since they would probably like Kratos’s reputation of putting the Aesir in there place, Heimdall is a fun choice given his popularity or Freyr who could finally be found if not in the 2ndinstallment of the Norse trilogy.

Since this is the finale then this game would obviously answer the big questions of the series if none have been explained in the 2ndinstallment game, like having a part of the game explain how Kratos got to this land. Maybe this could happen during a mission where Kratos has to go back to Greece to get the Blade of Olympus as it is key in destroying Atreus’s Loki side ? This game should also obviously explain what finally happened to Tyr. One idea I have for a possible story is how Tyr much like Kratos was able to get to the Norns (who are like the Greek Fates) but only to glimpse the future, and seeing Kratos is key to a better, peaceful future he created several events in the 2016 game so that this can happen. I know this isn’t a great idea but its something. Also maybe Thor does fight the world serpent again but this time the one Loki gave birth in the previous game where they fight and the World Serpent is sent back in time as mentioned in the 2016 game

Eventually Kratos, his allies, the Aesir, and Loki’s forces will all end up on Vigrid (the name of the final battlefield) where a huge battle will commence and after doing a few things to aid his allies (like maybe killing Thor in a rematch if that doesn’t happen already) Kratos will finally fight Odin. Kratos obviously defeats him but maybe in a bit of a twist, he spares his life after realizing how similar fighting him was like when he fought his father but this time its Odin who kills himself, accidently of course by doing something out of fear that leads to his own demise like maybe charging Kratos with a spear only to miss and be killed by Fenrir like in the prophecy. FINALLY Kratos and Atreus meet on the battlefield and the two fight each other, maybe the fight could have stages but eventually using the Blade of Olympus or maybe the Blades of Chaos Kratos is somehow able to destroy Atreus’s Loki part and releases the true Atreus who has been struggling to get free but as a consequence Kratos get severely wounded.

Maybe the game and the series ends on a note where Kratos dies but not before making peace with Atreus, Freya, and the others for causing all of this and dies happily and Atreus deciding to travel the world with Mimir as the new God of War but like Tyr trying to end conflict, and maybe trying make the gods of other mythologies care more about humanity.

Would you like to see any of theses things happen in the 2021 game ? What do you hope will happen ?

#god of war #god of war ragnarok #playstation #playstation 5 #video games #kratos #atreus #mimir

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INFINITY WAR/ENDGAME LOKI LIVES FIX IT FIC (TAKE TWO)

Part one is here, and was written quite a long time ago, so...now with updates of fics I’ve read since then. These fics are variously canon compliant with Infinity War, Endgame, or both; I’ve left off fics that ignore the events of Infinity War entirely for the sake of this recs list. “Ignore it entirely” is a different genre than “fix it” (though I love them both).

Anyway, intro aside, on with the recs. Under a read more because this got long.

thinking makes it so by sneck

The Avengers travel back in time to plant a small seed that grows into a major change. This is a really cool take on time travel, imo, and a really cool take on a fix-it plot.

to your own blood, and empty spaces in the throat by vellaphoria

The first chapter is just...absolute grief/mourning pain. The fixing comes in the second chapter. It’s worth the pain to get there.

The Air Between Two Stars by charlottelennox

Thor brings Loki back to life. This doesn’t solve all their problems. We all know I like a ‘post resurrection trauma’ fic, which this absolutely is. The author’s notes mention that this is a fic about ‘the little moments Thor and Loki share when they get a second chance’ more than the actual mechanics of how it happens, but sometimes that’s the most important part of a fix-it for me - what it looks like afterward.

the only soul I’ve ever saved by valkyrisms

I didn’t know I wanted “Loki falls out of space into New York and is rescued by Spider Man” as a plot, but apparently I did?

on earth, peace by 100indecisions

Everything fixed, more or less, and it’s a holiday party, and it’s still a little melancholy but in a good way. Short and sweet.

When I Fall to Rise by lc2l

This fic goes in a really interesting direction that I did not expect at all, and I don’t want to say more than that because spoilers. Thor dies on the Statesman. And then.

there are entrances to Hell in every major city by malfaisant

Takes the ‘what if Loki survived the attack on the Statesman instead of Thor’ idea, and it’s ouch and I love it. Seriously, hurts real bad. But ultimately in a good way?

Shadows of Those Who Came Before by Tandirra

I don’t read a lot of kid!Loki fics in the MCU, but this was...I think I was sold by the author, whose work I’d read before, and it was really worth it. It feels very much inspired by Journey Into Mystery, but not nearly as tragic - featuring a young Loki who has been resurrected as a child but is dealing with the shadow of his former self, taking a jaunt into space with the Guardians on a Quest.

the very best of us string ourselves up for love by halcyonidae

Loki and Hela in Valhalla. Yes, it is a fix-it.

At the End of the Day by scioscribe

Loki goes back in time and rewrites his own past. That’s...basically it as far as the premise, but it’s really well done, and Loki confronting himself and his family is...oof. Honestly, those conversations, more than the fix-it itself, are what makes this fic a recommendation for me.

A Route Obscure and Lonely by Nightwing_Hunter

This is a post-resurrection fic, which I decided to include because they feel like they’re in the spirit of the thing even if they don’t specifically include or explain what happened to do the fixing. And features insomnia and Loki being fucked up by the experience of dying, and I am always a sucker for Loki fucked up by the experience of dying in particular. I may be biased also because this one was written for me, but o well.

Walked In These Quiet Hazes by ratsats

I love a fic that’s basically “dealing with the aftermath of trauma” and this is both that and has a plot!! There’s a lot of ‘feelings and pain’ and then also ‘fixing a lot of things from canon,’ and I really approve of both. And now I want to go and reread this fic all in one go rather than chapter by chapter as I read it the first time. So much good angst. Just - *kisses fingers* - good shit.

There’s a Land That I Heard Of by TheOtherOdinson

This one is...I love it because it’s a little trippy, and definitely weird, and very different from anything else I’ve read in this genre. I love the slow build as it becomes clear what’s going on, a little at a time, and I’m always here for anything that plays with the Infinity Stones in interesting ways.

A Different Word for Bad Luck by iguessyouregonnamissthepantyraid

Similar to ‘I didn’t know I wanted strangulated!Loki ending up in New York rescued by Spider Man,’ I didn’t know I wanted strangulated!Loki ending up in New York rescued by Claire Temple (and company)’, but...yeah, guess I did.

WIPS - THE SUBSECTION

the nine in the tree by bereft_of_frogs (series)

So calling this one an Infinity War/Endgame fix-it feels a little weird because it’s very much following its own divergent path, but there’s enough commonalities that it feels like it works. And it’s just a really good series with a lot of great characterization and also hurt/comfort, and this is probably one of my favorite current serieses in progress.

Snake Around My Heart by gaslightgallows

The one where Loki comes back from the dead thanks to Hela and shit’s fucked. I’m really excited to see where this one goes.

the breath and the dirt and the fires are burned by neverwherever

Thor travels with the Guardians, Gamora is trying to find herself, and Loki might not be as dead as he seems. I really love where this fic has gone so far, and I’m psyched to see it continue.

burnt sage and a forest of bygones by fragileanimals

This is one of those “really embracing lore” fics, featuring also a journey to the underworld (always a good trope!). Thor roadtrips through the land of the dead with the help of a volva to get Loki out.

Memento Mori by GwendolynStacy

I love the summary of this one as basically ‘tfw you’ve completed your redemption arc but no one else knows it.’ Loki traveling back in time to try to fix everything before it gets off the ground, but nobody else actually knows what he’s doing, and it’s not like he’s going to explain himself. Heaven forfend.

Stormbreaker by ladylapispazuli

I am always a sucker for time-travel stories, and I’m especially a sucker right now for time-travel AUs diverging from the Infinity War/Endgame storyline that feature Thor or Loki traveling back in time to an earlier point. This one is one of my favorites so far. It’s Thor/Loki, if that’s a deterrent (or at least, tagged as such - it hasn’t gotten there yet and remains at the level of ‘one-sided pining of a teenage Loki after a Thor he doesn’t know is his brother’). It’s very good, has a nice traumatized Thor trying to deal with that on top of the weirdness of being around his family, his (dead in his own timeline) brother, and his past self, who he doesn’t always like very much.

Space-Time Heist by patientalien

Okay, so technically the fix-it hasn’t happened yet, but I really enjoyed the first fic and the series is incomplete, so...the setup is there, and I’m looking forward to seeing where it goes if/when it continues. The promise of fix-it is there.

Withering Away by GalaxyThreads

The one where instead of getting the Space Stone from New York in 2012, Thor insists on getting it from the Statesman in 2018. Along with Loki.

Have Tesseract, Will Travel by WinterDusk (series)

This is a series where 2012!Loki jumps universes and ends up with 2024!Thor and the Guardians, and I did not expect to love it as much as I do. (I’m very attached to 2018!Loki. I miss that one in particular.) This fic has a gloriously traumatized Thor who is a particular highlight - the dynamic of a comparatively functional Loki trying to look after a very less-than-functional Thor is a really interesting one I’m enjoying seeing explored here.

The Thanos Problem by Ranowa

This is a really excellent series with a lot of feelings in it. Like, a lot of feelings. The series is marked as incomplete, but you can easily read the first three installments on their own and get a full arc with a fix-it just fine.

#fic rec #loki's a goddamn mess #only like SEVEN MONTHS LATER jesus #anyway finally finishing one of my ten recs lists in progress #they take a long time to write okay

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A decade that was - looking back at 10 years

I have just enough introspection left in me to pull this off - let's look at what fanfic disasters I've put out over the last ten years, shall we?

2010 & 2011

I was between fandoms at the time, but I had a Criminal Minds kick for a while.

Immutability: Once part of the team, always part of the team. That's what Spencer told himself as he walked up the stairs.

Branching Out (Criminal Minds/Stargate): Jennifer Jareau's first day as liaison for the Department of Defense really wasn't what she expected.

In Darkness (Criminal Minds/Harry Potter): To the world around him, Aaron Hotchner is a (somewhat) normal FBI agent, with a somewhat normal son and a moderately normal life. He's never told his team who he was... before. When he was known as Aaron Black.

These Small Bones (Doctor Who/Harry Potter): It starts with a girl. With him, it usually does.

2012

I dabble in time travel with this next one, and I still really like how the paradoxes of time hold up.

Marking Time (Doctor Who/White Collar): These are the things Peter Burke knows about Neal Caffrey's beginnings. None of these things are true.

Next up, a little four-part Criminal Minds series, featuring Spencer Reid (genderswapped)

Fragility Optional: Given all that's happened, you'd think no one would expect Spencer Reid to put on high heels and slink out undercover.

But this was also the year that Avengers came out, and my love for Natasha Romanoff sent me down an amazing rabbit hole for the next couple of years, an Avengers/Stargate crossover series in which Natasha Romanoff was John Sheppard’s mother. And that was the least complicated part of it.

A Widow's Tale series (a 10-part series)

The main pieces of this series are Widow Maker, Baba Yaga's Children, and Old Soldiers, the other bits and bobs lead up to it.

I also dabbled in a bit of Teen Wolf this year, starting Child of the Wolf (Avengers/Teen Wolf) and getting the first five chapters out the door in November-December before I got stymied - I would come back to this 7 years later, see below.

Child of the Wolf (MCU/Teen Wolf): Caught between hunters and werewolves, Stiles almost doesn’t have time to wonder much about the hot new redheaded Deputy Sheriff or the bow-wielding sarcastic gym teacher. Almost.

2013

Before Agent Carter came out, I wrote a Peggy Carter biopic, going off the riff of, what if Peggy had touched the Tesseract and stopped aging? It's two-thirds done.

Rhapsody in Blue: For decades, Peggy Carter has had only two constants in her life: Howard Stark, and the Winter Soldier.

2014

Agents of Shield came out and as I tend towards dark-haired girls with mysterious powers, I latched onto Skye for five minutes. Here's a quick installment...

Hell's Gate: In the wake of revelations of Skye’s past, Phil Coulson wasn’t expecting to find out what happened to Skye’s parents, and certainly not from a former Russian agent turned SHIELD operative showing up unannounced on his plane.

And oh! I finished Inevitable! My Anita Blake/Harry Potter epic, started in 2005 and in limbo for a number of years, I finally got it wrapped! Although, epic; I am fast closing in on its wordcount with Hour of the Wolf.

Inevitable (Anita Blake/Harry Potter): A late-night run-in with werewolves in the woods outside St. Louis dumps Harry Potter into a whole new world of trouble. Now Anita Blake has to deal with a new charge as well as Death-Eaters come to town.

Also in 2014 I started my baby, Hands of Clay, my Stucky kid!fic in which I attempt to give Bucky and Steve a happy ending, and Natasha and Clint happy childhoods.

Hands of Clay: James Barnes leads a busy life as a single working father in New York. But when his childhood best friend Steve Rogers falls back into his life, James will have to re-learn what love, friendship and family are really all about.

Also randomly I wrote a small Night Court fusion with the Avengers that I still love and am including it in the list.

Then Thor: The Dark World came out and after I punched a wall at yet another MCU mother getting fridged (Frigga, fridged, get it?) I started a resurrection fix-it featuring Loki’s children on earth, that was going to be great only I lost momentum, but the structure of this were good.

Hel's Bones: Magic pulled Frigga back from the realm of the dead, but not even Loki's children can shield her from the consequences of long-ago actions coming back to haunt her.

2015-2016

the rest of 2014-2016 were consumed with Hands of Clay. But then! Tumblr caught my eye with a figure skating anime, and after the longest time, I checked it out. Which led to

2017-2018

when my Yuri on Ice! phase began.

First up, we have the Blood in the Water series:

Water's Edge: For years, Yuuri had heard people say Viktor’s skating was otherworldly. He never thought they were being literal.

Undertow: Viktor Nikiforov has spent his entire life pretending to be normal. It's never enough.

There Be Dragons: Seven-year-old Otabek knew two things - he wasn't really related to a dragon, and he was never going to fall in love. Things like that belonged only in fairy tales.

A Late Frost: The one thing that Yuuri didn't expect about the World Figure Skating Championships in Boston was that beating two world records and winning a gold medal was going to be the easy part. (WIP)

I also wrote a bunch of YOI one-shots:

Midnight Salchow: Yuuri is convinced he has hidden his shameful past as a writer of Viktor Nikiforov RPF. Yuuri is mistaken.

Eight Days A Week: okay but a nanny!AU where Viktor has somehow acquired a bushel of children and needs a nanny to help care for his screaming brood - enter Yuuri, freshly retired from what he thinks was a failed figure skating career, and in desperate need of money to help pay off his student loans.

Sex Maniac: Katsuki Yuuri, Grand Prix silver medalist and a sorry example of a human being, was seventy percent sure that sleeping with Viktor Nikiforov had turned him into a sex maniac.

The Trials of Anteros: Of course Yuuri knew about Viktor’s hockey-playing twin brother; everyone in the figure skating world did. But given that Viktor had never mentioned the man, Yuuri never expected to get home one day after practice to find Vladimir Nikiforov cluttering up their apartment.

An Uncertain Arabesque: Yuuri never went to the banquet. Viktor never looked into the eyes of a beautiful, sloshed Japanese figure skater, never had the spark brought back into his life with the idea of coaching, and of love. Viktor never saw the gash in the ice, not in the last minute of his free program at Russian Nationals, and couldn’t prevent his blade from catching in the depression, sending him to the ice with a broken knee and a ruined skating career. Viktor never saw any of it coming.

Silver and Glass: February 14, the Four Continents started in two days, and Yuuri was freaking out. Valentine's Day was the least of his worries... or so he thought.

and lastly, the fantasy swordmaster AU that consumed my summer vacation in 2018:

And each man stands with his face in the light: After the carnage on the fields of the Elven Wars, Viktor Ivanovich, general of the northern armies, was done with fighting. When Prince Regent Yuri asked him to track down the mysterious man who slew the Elven King, Viktor complies, hardly knowing how that one action will change his life forever...

Also in 2018, something kickstarted me down the road of wondering what it would be like if Clint Barton (Hawkeye) was raised by Susan Pevensie (formerly queen of Narnia), as one does.

Turn, Archer, and Heed the Wild Hunt (MCU/Chronicles of Narnia): In the summer of 1983, Clint Barton goes to live with his new foster mom in the middle of nowhere, Iowa. Now he just needs to figure out how negotiate this new life... and also what's up with all the strange things happening in the night.

2019

And as I mentioned in yesterday’s, post, 2019 was the year of salt, in which I got cheesed off at Avengers: Endgame and resurrected Child of the Wolf, and then started my current obsession with time travel and other paradoxes:

Hour of the Wolf (MCU/Teen Wolf): Allison Stark has spent her entire life trying to live up to her father's sacrifice. But when the universe itself starts to dissolve, desperation and magic come together to push Allison back in time to try to right the wrongs.

2020

Who knows where we go? I hope it's going to be great :D

Thanks to everyone who's been hanging out with me in this pocket of fandom!

#my writing #year in review #decade in review #i have been doing this for way too long #what's that saying?#try and fail #then try again and fail better?#that's this decade for me #thank goodness for AO3

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2011

MCU: “Loki is dead!”

ME: “Oh no! It’s so tragic and sad. He found out he was adopted and had a psychotic break. Why did he have to die on top of all that?”

MCU: “Just kidding! He’s alive.”

ME: “Oh, what a relief! He was the most interesting character in the movie. Does this mean he’ll be in more movies?”

MCU: “Of course! Tom signed a contract.”

2012

ME: “Uh...okay. Loki is alive and that’s great, I guess. But his life has gone from bad to worse."

MCU: “Yeah, but it’s a great plot device though. isn’t it?”

ME: “No...it’s like watching a loved one suffer needlessly, but with CGI and background music.”

MCU: “Can we appease you with a Thor sequel that has lots more Loki footage?”

ME: “You definitely can.”

MCU: “Alright. Just wait until next year.”

2013

ME: “Wow. Could you guys fuck up Loki’s life any more than you already have?”

MCU: “Yes, actually. We could. And we will. Because he’s dead. Again.”

ME: “Assholes. I mean, it was very moving. So, I guess there’s that. I guess if he has to die, this isn’t such a bad way to do it. It’s a nice ending to his arc. But still...you’re assholes.”

MCU: “Just kidding...Loki’s alive.”

ME: “Is he, though? Is he really?”

MCU: “Yes, really. We swear. Just wait until Thor 3.”

2017

ME: “Okay...this is definitely Tom Hiddleston. But what happened to Loki? Was he resurrected into a cartoon character? What is this, some kind of parody?”

MCU: “It’s comedy! Don’t you have a sense of humor? It worked for Guardians!”

ME: “Yes, it did work. For Guardians.”

MCU: “You are so ungrateful.”

ME: “Well, at least he’ll be in Infinity War. Right?”

MCU: “He will definitely be in it, yes.”

2018

MCU: “Loki’s dead again."

ME: “Wow, you guys didn’t even wait until the opening credits this time."

MCU: “Yeah, and he’s really, really dead for sure.”

ME: “Uh huh. I saw leaked images of Tom filming scenes for Endgame.”

MCU: “It’s a flashback.”

ME: “And there’s a Loki TV show in the works.”

MCU: “Flashback?”

ME: “Are you asking me or telling me?”

MCU: “Yes.”

#all out of fucks to give #the mcu is an abusive partner who keeps beating the shit out of you and then apologizing with grocery store flowers #loki deserves better #gagnarok #yes there were things about ragnarok that I liked but overall it was an assassination of loki's character #I don't care if you liked ragnarok #loki is a sweet potato and should be protected at all costs #juliabohemian #op #juliabohemian memes #lokimeta

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izhunny · 6 years

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Infinity War Wild Conjecture: Loki

Having sat through this painfest twice now I have to unleash my fervent hope for Loki on May the 4th, because reasons.

Loki pledged his “undying fidelity” but was then promptly dispatched from this mortal coil. And one of the first to fall as it were.

And let me just say that in the back of my head the first time I watched this I thought: Loki dies but he doesn’t stay dead.

There’s some myth or fanciful notion I’ve read from who knows where about a wager, a favor, mischief, and a name quietly being struck from the book of the dead. Oh they can suffer and die repeatedly, but they’ll get sent back.

My brain said they hinted at his death in 2011, but he was needed to bring together group of extraordinary individuals. That was the plan. I happen to think he did die on his fall through the void, he was simply resurrected along the fall, to keep a bargain, never rescued and dispensed to the very worst hands, tortured, killed and resurrected multiple times by those who found him, and then returned to us in the guise of a proper villain equipped with someone else’s weapons and army in 2012.

The plan evolved to have him be a bit of a plot device in 2013 and then let him suffer an agonizingly cruel “redemptive” death, but it seems that it was decided at the last moment he was too useful. So he died for his brother and to avenge his mother, but he didn’t stay dead. And then he hijacked the throne of Asgard for shits and giggles erecting monuments and dramas to his cunning whilst shuffling Odin off to an old folks home on Midgard for his chronic betrayals as retribution. Petty, but clever. Loki deserved that vacation (2013-2017).

Yes, Loki, Frigga would indeed be proud of your Mischief. I know I am.

Here we are again in 2018. Spouting odd words at his brother and at the Mad Titan, making oaths that sound right but are technically FILLED WITH LOOPHOLES! The sun will shine on us again (Thor will raise New Asgard? that's probably a secret). Undying fidelity you say, and then you promptly die. For how long? (And just how shocked was old scrotum chin when Loki stated he wasn't Asgardian but indeed their Prince, AND the rightful King of Jotunheim???) Maybe until after Thanos get’s his hands on his prize and twists the universe, until it is drowned in the sorrows of those left behind and remade a waking nightmare of loss? And since you were so courteously dead already you couldn’t be wiped from creation with a snap of fingers??? Handy.

Or maybe like a certain wraith on Vormir Loki duplicated and slipped away through the tesseract not wholly in control of the outcome, Loki is a favorite toy of the fates. All this is conjecture...

It is a wild head canon of mine, I know. I think Loki did die. He has died several times in fact, at least once on Svartlheim and once in Thanos’ giant mitt onscreen. I think his silver tongue won him a deal or a curse we weren’t privy to seeing at some point and now he will suffer for it. I will suffer along with him for it. I love the crazy bastard. So...

Loki will live in my heart long after the MCU (or Marvel) stops producing content. It hurts to know there will be nothing new to see from them about Loki once Avengers 4 completes. But it won’t really end for me. There are so many possibilities in my head alone. I think they’ve wasted a true gem of storytelling with his quick dismissal, but I know legions who will pick up the name, Loki, and spread his stories, old and new. We will carry this fascination like knives and brandish our own future mischief together.

And who knows, maybe in the 14,000,605 eventualities, Loki lives again in that 1 version where we win, too. Because he already died before the gauntlet remade the universe in an insane bout of eugenics.

In my head for the moment, in this one desperate whim of a thought, Loki will help save the whole of creation because he did die at the hands of his torturer, again, but with the promise of no resurrections this time and could slip back when no one was really paying attention to someone already out of the picture. Because he doesn't require someone else to resurrect him. A badass, mischievous anti-hero diva, who lives to see bullies brought low for their titanic underestimation of him.

I’d really like it if they'd quit killing him, but I’ll be more disappointed if they simply stop resurrecting him.

Tomorrow's discussion and wailing to include: Tony and what the fuck was "I've lived with him in my head for six years"

Post rant note: thanks for the new nickname @lokiwholockfactory

#infinity war #loki head canon #apparently i am doctor strange #loki is a god #and an anti-hero #occasionally a villain #fight me #we're in the end game

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mittensmorgul · 6 years

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I’ve seen multiple posts about how 13.21 referenced both Stand By Me as well as LotR (I mentioned it here but I know there were other posts that explained it in much more detail in case anyone doesn’t recognize all the references). And I’ve thrown around a couple of comments on how the episode directly referenced a LOT of the first half of s8 of The Walking Dead but I haven’t seen anyone write anything more detailed.

I intended to wait to see how the rest of the season turned out before writing anything more detailed, because this episode was written long before the second half of s8 of TWD was finished airing and I have no idea if Bobo knew spoilers in advance or if he was only using this as a sort of one-off parallel within this episode alone, but thematically there have been a number of other TWD references this season, from all the zombie comments in 13.06 to the Zombie Mom Witch in 13.12.

Anyway, below a cut in case anyone doesn’t want s8 TWD and current Fear The Walking Dead spoilers.

I mentioned in another post that I was essentially convinced by the end of Sam’s opening dream sequence that something terrible was gonna happen to Sam by the end of the episode... because TWD has been using a similar opening scene for a while now. Both on TWD and also on Fear TWD.

Essentially the “dreamer” is dead in every case (the notable unresolved “dreamer” whose fate we aren’t entirely sure of is Madison in Fear, but she’s now also been featured in Nick’s dream in the episode he died in so...)

But I want to focus on Carl’s dream sequences from the first half of s8. Because there were a number of them through the first eight episodes, and it wasn’t entirely clear that they were dreams at first. They seemed to show flashes of a “happy future” where his family was all safe and healthy, living a normal sort of “apple pie” life in their home in Alexandria. His little sister was older, his father had gone a bit greyer and walked with a cane, Michonne was still with Rick and happily being mom to Carl and an older Judith. Basically imagine a Walking Dead version of Sam’s dream, where they’re all around the table safe and happy and just living.

We didn’t really get a full understanding that these were specifically CARL’S dreams until the episode he was bitten (which aired December 10, 2017, so likely while Berens was working on this draft).

Clearly Sam’s “bite” went down a lot different than Carl’s did. But the part of the AU where Sam was attacked bore a lot of resemblance to the area where Carl and Siddiq had been walking together:

Path through the woods with hungry monsters waiting to eat them. But let me back up for a moment and explain why he was even out there.

Kindness.

He lived in a barricaded little town called Alexandria, who have allies in other groups such as The Kingdom (heh), Hilltop, and a broken relationship with a group of women living hidden in a community called Oceanside. All of these groups have been struggling under the oppressive rule of the Saviors (ie that group led by John Winchester Negan and his barbed-wire baseball bat called Lucille that Dean had in 12.15). At the beginning of s8, Carl’s father Rick had essentially been in what Mr. Mittens politely refers to as “kill mode.” They’d been betrayed and suffered heavily from the Saviors, who rule their territory with an iron fist and a steady campaign of terror and intimidation against any group they see as a potential resource.

(they’re basically awful, okay?)

But Carl is an odd duck. He’d spent quite a bit of time talking to Negan (not entirely by choice, because Negan is generally awful, but also had a weird soft spot for Carl, despite having threatened to force Rick to chop of Carl’s arm the first time they all met... it’s a disturbing show, sorry). Rick has never been able to forgive Negan for what he did (not just the psychological torture and threatening Carl, but also killing Abraham and Glen in cold blood just to intimidate and hurt the rest of them, and Maggie will never forgive him for killing Glen-- i.e. the father of her unborn child).

Which brings us to the people TFW+Gabe met in the woods-- a dark-haired woman called Maggie and a dude carrying a baseball bat. Interesting pair, no? Because in TWD if Maggie ever came face to face with Negan she’d claw his face off with her bare hands.

Okay now back to why Carl was in the woods. Back when Rick had been in Kill Mode, they ran across a man in the woods named Siddiq who Carl had wanted to help, but Rick shot at him to scare him away. Rick wasn’t in a mood to trust anyone, and especially not lone strangers in the woods. Carl apologized and began sneaking food out of Alexandria and befriending Siddiq. This went on for 8 episodes... bringing him supplies in secret and learning about the man. Which is what he’d been doing when they were ambushed by walkers.

Meanwhile back at home, one of the Saviors had turned traitor and was secretly helping Rick and his people escape an ambush (heck there’s so much of revenge and deceit involved in explaining Dwight’s motives here... but basically half the season is about revenge, and the fact that getting revenge is just... not worth it... sound familiar?)

So Carl had been out there in the middle of all this danger and (essentially) warfare to do a good deed for someone. And in the fighting, he’d accidentally been bitten by one of the walkers. (Sound familiar?)

The differences between Sam and Carl’s deaths:

Walker bites don’t kill instantly. It can take days to succumb to the infection unless the bite itself proves fatal, and Carl was bitten on his side (think about where Cas got stabbed by the Lance of Michael).

Carl killed the things that “killed him”

Sam’s bite was to a critical artery. If Carl had been bitten on the neck he would’ve been dead in a minute, but they wanted him to live long enough to get home and prepare for his own death. Sam didn’t get that luxury.

Carl didn’t have a handy archangel to resurrect him. Even if it was awful.

He did get to write letters to the people he cared about-- and to Negan-- and say goodbye to his loved ones in person. Sam didn’t. But Sam came back from the dead to address that in person.

Carl met back up with his family in the sewers (tunnels) under Alexandria after escaping the Saviors’ attack

The thing is, Carl had been the Negotiator. He’d been a sort of diplomat between everyone else and Negan, trying to convince everyone to work together rather than keep seeking revenge and trying to kill each other. Just like he’d been nurturing his friendship with Siddiq, and preparing to bring him back to Alexandria despite Rick not wanting him there.

Meanwhile we’ve been seeing hints about the revenge Sam is eager to take out on Lucifer. We saw Dean’s concern about Sam’s motives for helping Gabriel get his revenge against Loki and his children in 13.20, and Dean wanting to take the horrific burden of vengeance and the utter lack of fulfillment it actually provides off Sam’s shoulders.

It’s interesting that the Negan-coded dude (but not entirely, because his baseball bat didn’t have barbed wire wrapped around it) ended up biting it (pffft) in that tunnel and is never mentioned again. Maggie attempts to offer sympathy to Dean for the loss of his friend, but she gets nothing back from him.

Anyway, Carl left some letters behind (which he writes during episode 9, which didn’t air until February 25, 2018, so two weeks before they began filming 13.21 and likely after the script was finalized) and the contents he shared with Rick and with Negan can be read at those links in their entirety. But here’s a few key points:

You have to find peace with Negan. Find a way forward somehow. We don't have to forget what happened, but you can make it so that it won't happen again, that nobody has to live this way, that every life is worth something.

Start everything over. Show everyone that they can be safe again without killing. They can feel safe again. That it can go back to being birthdays, and school, and jobs, and even Friday night pizza somehow, and walks with a dad and a three-year-old holding hands. Make that come back, dad. And go on those walks with Judith. She'll remember them.

I love you.

Carl

and to Negan:

I hope my dad offers you peace. I hope you take it. I hope everything can change. It did for me.

Start over. You still can.

And at this point I’m singing “It’s never too late to start all over again” in my head.

And while all that was happening in TWD, the Saviors were launching firebombs into their town, as we assume there’s gonna be some more AU Angel “fireballs” hitting in 13.22.

The interesting thing about TWD’s season finale (which aired April 15, or four days before 13.23 wrapped filming), is that Rick finally both lucked out (via a timely bit of backstabbing by Eugene, who’d been considered a traitor when he went to work for Negan and had cost multiple people their lives as a result, but he’d rigged all the saviors’ guns to backfire and kill THEM instead of the people the guns were aimed at) AND took Carl’s message to heart.

He had the perfect chance to kill Negan and get his revenge at last, but he bargained for peace instead, in the face of a HUGE swarm of walkers that could threaten them all if they didn’t work together instead of constantly enacting petty revenge wars against each other.

(but Maggie? She still wants revenge, along with a few quiet others... but that’s for next season. For now, there’s an uneasy truce)

I have no idea what this means for anything else going on in SPN, or what lengths Sam, Dean, Cas, Gabriel, Lucifer, Mary, Jack... and everyone else... will be willing to go to to get “revenge” or to stop AU Michael, but I thought this was an interesting parallel between Sam and Carl in this episode.

#spn s13 spoilers #spn 13.21

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Gabriel’s fate remains unconfirmed, so for the summer, this blog is going canon-divergent

The verse featured:

DEFAULT VERSE (Lore and SPN), canon divergent after episode 13X22, until Fall 2018: Gabriel is the 12-billion-year-old Archangel of the Jewish, Christian, and Muslim religions (so-called “Abrahamic lore” ). He is the youngest of the Four Archangels created by God to fight and contain the Darkness. At the eve of the Apocalypse, Gabriel deceived his elder brother Lucifer into thinking he had murdered him in order to remove himself from eons of sibling warfare and to protect his own (secret) family. During this time Gabriel was reunited with Mother Nature (played by materxnatura), a long-time acquaintance whom he had selected at a young age from Heaven’s Tree of Souls to become his own pupil and companion. They fell in love, were married, and had two children, who are more powerful even than nephilim, but also far stabler. Unfortunately Gabriel’s former friends, Loki and his children, captured him and sold him to the Prince of Hell Asmodeus as vengeance for the death of Odin (murdered by Gabriel’s brother Lucifer), where he spent many years imprisoned, tortured, and drained of his Grace, believed by all to be dead. He has physically recuperated and killed Asmodeus, Loki and his sons, and joined Team Free Will on their quest to rescue Jack and Mary from the alternate reality. Gabriel died fighting the alternate Michael in order to buy the others time to escape back to their reality. Lucifer brought him back over the divide as a bid for Jack's favor; Jack resurrected Gabriel but rejected Lucifer. Alternate world Michael is now in Dean's body.

Gabriel, still not fully powered, is now focusing his energies on his wife, pregnant with their third child, and on returning to Heaven to reinstate order. With the help of trusted siblings, he plans to contact those angels in the Empty with whom he spoke before his resurrection.

#ooc #verses #because fuck you spn my theory was better than your writing lmao #spn spoilers

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Marvel Studios has a lot to celebrate already in 2018. Hot off the heels of the “Wakanda Forever,” movement and the critical acclaim of “Black Panther,” it was more than just comic book fans that heard the unequivocal roar of a cultural phenomenon. But just three months later the MCU smashed it’s way into the box office again, shattering numerous records held by other movies with the cosmic blockbuster “Avengers: Infinity War.” The Marvel machine shows no signs of slowing down anytime soon as the movie is projected to gross over two billion in sales.

According to insider reports, actor Aaron Taylor-Johnson who played the role of Marvel Cinematic Universe’s version of the ill-fated Quicksilver has been spotted on the set of the yet to be titled “Avengers 4.”

Quicksilver, (not to be confused with his Fox Studios counterpart Evan Peters,) made his theatrical debut alongside the infamous Scarlet Witch portrayed by Elizabeth Olsen in the previous 2015 installment “Avengers: Age of Ultron.” His role was short-lived as the speedster of HYDRA met his untimely demise after saving Hawkeye and a child from gunfire.

Fans may be wondering how this could be remotely possible. That may have well included Taylor-Johnson himself, having repeatedly stated in multiple interviews that he had no future plans to return to the Avengers or related Marvel studio films. But perhaps disclosure was apart of his initial contract barring him from revealing any details as it may well have unveiled Marvel’s long-term plans.

First, let’s take a look at what we do know. Writer / Director Joss Whedon initially stated that Taylor-Johnson and Olsen both have 3 film contracts. If that’s true then the actor has only fulfilled 2 of those contractual obligations. Aside from Ultron, Taylor-Johnson made only one additional appearance in character during a mid-credits scene of the 2014 film “Captain America: The Winter Soldier.” Though Whedon later retracted the statement, Marvel could well have changed the terms of the contract. However, if the terms are still intact it also may well signify that he could be included in yet another film.

But the question on most fans minds is how would creators bring him back from the dead. There are a couple of possibilities. For those readers familiar with the 1991 classic “The Infinity Gauntlet,” which serves as the movie’s source material, though Thanos does achieve godhood, inevitably he falters and loses the Gauntlet to his niece, who ironically has been tormented by the titan for years simply for being related. During a moment of distraction, Nebula wrests the gauntlet from his hand and claims the power of the gauntlet for herself. It isn’t long before Nebula enacts her own revenge. If the movie follows the comic book interpretation, even slightly, this could well open the window for not only Quicksilver’s return but the resurrection of all those who perished at the end of Infinity War.

An additional theory would be that instead of what audience’s perceived as death was the use of the reality of soul gems to remove half of the universe’s population, including the heroes, and place them within another dimension.

The strongest reports so far are that the most likely scenario is that Avengers 4 will include time travel through the use of the gauntlet’s time gem. This theory is highly probable as the logistics of Marvel’s cinematic schedule have been carefully laid and plotted for years in culmination to the Infinity films. “Ant-Man and the Wasp” are next up with a release date of July 6th, 2018 with both Paul Rudd and Evangeline Lilly reprising their roles. Following that, “Captain Marvel” starring Brie Larson and introducing Marvel’s first female lead solo film is currently slated for a release date of March 6th of 2019. The significance of both films having been released after Infinity War yet prior to Avengers 4 are possible launch points of reference and inclusion for time travel. The next installment of the Infinity saga may well be more significant than the singular return of Quicksilver. Reports have also surfaced that Tom Hiddleston has also been on set in in full Loki garb. Avengers 4, which has many fans speculating that the aftermath will mark a total reset of the entire cinematic line of films may well be correct.

This option looks particularly attractive should the Fox / Disney deal remain in place and unfettered by reports of a Comcast buyout. Even if the latter is the case, Disney certainly has the ability to opt-in and purchase the rights to the X-Men and Fantastic Four, as well as other Marvel properties within Fox’s portfolio, merging them into the larger MCU and providing ample reason and necessity for a universal reboot.

Avengers 4 remains untitled, is projected to be in theaters on May 3, 2019.

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worstloki · 3 years

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Infinity Stones/Loki fic rec list

Summary:

When Loki agreed to help the stones escape the vessels they were trapped in, he thought he knew what would happen. He was warned of a few potential, major side effects, but this was not what he was expecting.

Loki’s had a lot of plans blow up in his face before, but never quite like this.

What is he supposed to do now?!

OR: why all cosmic entities should come with a warning label

Summary:

mors certa || death is certain

Bringing the stones together really was a great plan of Thanos'. Truly brilliant. Might even have helped achieve his goal if he hadn't killed a few people along the way. Unfortunately for him, the stones Did Not Like That.

AKA: loki and the infinity stones are besties xx

Summary:

Thanos tortures Loki beyond measure in order to break his mind and spirit as the god of Mischief refused to help Thanos retrieve the Tesseract from Earth but Loki won't submit.

As it turns out, each infinity stone Loki comes into contact with happen to like Loki and all eventually seek to protect him and even help him to foil Thanos's plans to annihilate half the universes population.

Summary:

The Infinity Stones want to bake Loki a birthday cake without using any shortcuts through magic. And really, how hard could it be?

Apparently, pretty dang hard.

Summary:

"No resurrections this time..."

In 2018, Thanos won. He snapped half of all life out of existence and then destroyed the stones. His biggest mistake, though, was thinking that a broken neck would keep Loki dead.

In 2022, Loki crashes into the Stark's garden and is found by Morgan, who immediately takes a liking to him. Pepper and Tony aren't exactly thrilled with their daughter's new obsession with the injured God.

Summary:

Soul-marks don’t have to be words per se; Marks take the form of the first communication between soul-mates, where one person has the intent of a message, and the other understands that it means something.

It’s why people have soul-marks in languages they don’t speak or read- but understand as a form of communication, and why people who are deaf can have the second, or even third words ever spoken to them by their soul-mate on their inner-wrists when their soul-mate realize that talking at a turned back doesn’t always count as communication.

Summary:

After Frigga's funeral, Loki starts hearing a voice. It changes their life completely.

#infinoki #infinity stones/loki #loki/infinity stones #yes this is a sweet sweet pairing #pairing (???)#and i felt the need to make a list so it'd come up under the infinoki tag #'always read the fine print' updated yesterday and yeah i recommend that fic to everyone #:D!

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Disney+ UK Star Launch: Complete List of New TV Shows and Films

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We came for The Mandalorian, stuck around for WandaVision, and, as we wait for The Falcon and Winter Soldier and Loki to arrive, there’s now a huge pile of new catalogue additions to work through, courtesy of Disney Plus’ Star brand.

Star launched on the Disney Plus streaming service in territories outside of the US (where Disney already has a home for adult drama in Hulu) on the 23rd of February. It’s added over 75 TV shows and 280 feature films here in the UK, including the entirety of Lost, Buffy the Vampire Slayer, The X-Files, Glee, Prison Break, Sons of Anarchy and Scrubs as well as cult favourites Firefly, Flashforward, Terriers and more. There are also some UK debuts in the form of the Star Originals listed below.

Film-wise, there’s ample reason to go back to the 90s in the form of Arachnophobia, Robin Hood: Prince of Thieves, Con Air and a host of others, plus…well, it’s almost 300 films. Chances are you’ll find something to tickle your fancy. Households with kids should know there are new parental controls to set too, ensuring that nobody gets any unwelcome surprises.

Here’s the complete list of titles so far:

Star Originals

Big Sky

From Mr TV himself, David E. Kelley (Doogie Howser, Chicago Hope, Ally Mcbeal, Big Little Lies) comes a nine-part crime thriller starring Ryan Philippe and Vikings‘ Katheryn Winnick. Based on the 2013 novel The Highway by C.J. Box, Big Sky is the story of a series of missing girls and a private detective/cop trio with a messy personal history who team up to find them. It aired on ABC in the US last winter.

Helstrom

There’s very little fanfare for this comic book show‘s UK debut, which met with mostly negative reviews on release and was cancelled after 10 episodes, but Marvel completists will want to take a look. Tom Austen and Sidney Lemmon play the Helstrom siblings Daimon and Satana, the children of serial killers who hunt down the worst of humanity.

Love, Victor

Another Hulu original making its UK debut, this teen drama spins off from celebrated gay teen 2018 film Love, Simon. It’s narrated by Nick Robinson, who played Simon in the original film, and follows the story of a Puerto-Rican/Colombian-American teen living in Atalanta. Reviews for the 10-part first season were strong and it’s been renewed for a second.

Solar Opposites

Rick and Morty‘s Justin Roiland and Star Trek: Lower Decks‘s Mike McMahan are the creators of this adult animated comedy series about a family of aliens (pictured above) forced to seek refuge in middle America. Season one was enthusiastically received, and a second run is due to air in the US in March. Read plenty more about it here.

TV Series

According To Jim, Seasons 1 – 8 Alias, Seasons 1-5 American Dad, Seasons 1-16 Animal Fight Night, Seasons 1-6 Apocalypse World War I, Season 1 Apocalypse: The Second World War, Season 1 Atlanta, Seasons 1-2 Blackish, Seasons 1-5 Bloody Tales Of Europe, Season 1 Bloody Tales Of The Tower, Season 1 Bones, Seasons 1-12 Brothers & Sisters, Seasons 1-5 Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Seasons 1-7 Buried Secrets Of WWII, Season 1 Burn Notice, Seasons 1-7 Castle, Seasons 1-8 Code Black, Seasons 1-3 Cougar Town, Seasons 1-6 Desperate Housewives, Seasons 1-8 Devious Maids, Seasons 1-4 Drugs, Inc. Seasons 2-7 Family Guy, Seasons 1-18 Feud: Bette And Joan, Season 1 Firefly, Season 1 Flashforward, Season 1 The Fosters, Seasons 1- 5 The Gifted, Seasons 1-2 Glee, Seasons 1-6 Grey’s Anatomy, Seasons 1-15 The Hot Zone, Season 1 How I Met Your Mother, Seasons 1-9 Inside North Korea’s Dynasty, Season 1 The Killing, Seasons 1-4 LA 92 Lance, Season 1 Lie To Me, Seasons 1-3 Lost, Seasons 1-6 Mafia Confidential Maradona Confidential Mars, Seasons 1-2 Modern Family, Seasons 1-8 O.J.: Made In America Perception, Seasons 1-3 Prison Break, Seasons 1-5 Raising Hope, Seasons 1-4 Resurrection, Seasons 1-2 Revenge, Seasons 1-4 Rosewood, Seasons 1-2 Scandal, Seasons 1-7 Scream Queens, Seasons 1-2 Scrubs, Seasons 1-9 Sleepy Hollow, Seasons 1-4 Snowfall, Seasons 1-3 Sons Of Anarchy, Seasons 1-7 The Strain, Seasons 1-4 Terra Nova, Season 1 Terriers, Season 1 Trust, Season 1 Ugly Betty, Season 1-4 Ultimate Survival WWII, Season 1 Valley Of The Boom, Season 1 Witness To Disaster, Season 1 WWII Bomb Hunters The X-Files, Season 1-9 The 2000s: The Decade We Saw It All, Season 1 24, Season 1-9 24: Legacy, Season 1 The 80s: The Decade That Made Us, Season 1 9/11 Firehouse The 90s: The Last Great Decade? Season 1 9-1-1, Season 1-2

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Films

The 13th Warrior 42 to 1 9 to 5 Adam (2009) The Air Up There The Alamo (2004) Anna And The King Annapolis Another Earth Another Stakeout Anywhere But Here Arachnophobia Australia Bachelor Party Bad Ass Bad Company (2002) Bad Company (Aka: Tool Shed) Bad Girls (1994) Bad Times At The El Royale Baggage Claim The Banger Sisters Be Water Beaches Before And After (1996) Belle Beloved (1998) The Best Exotic Marigold Hotel Best Laid Plans Big Trouble Billy Bathgate Black Nativity Borat: Cultural Learnings Of America For Make Benefit Glorious Nation … Boys Don’t Cry Braveheart Breaking And Entering Bringing Out The Dead Broadcast News Brokedown Palace Broken Lizard’s Club Dread Brothers In Exile Brown Sugar Bubble Boy Bulworth Bushwhacked Can’t Buy Me Love Casanova (2005) Catch That Kid Cedar Rapids Chain Reaction Chasing Papi Chasing Tyson Choke The Clearing Cleopatra (1963) Cocktail Cocoon: The Return Cold Creek Manor The Color Of Money Come See The Paradise The Comebacks Commando (1985) Con Air Conan The Barbarian Confetti Consenting Adults A Cool Dry Place Cousin Bette Crazy/Beautiful Crimson Tide The Crucible Cyrus Damien – Omen Ii The Darjeeling Limited Dark Water Dawn Of The Planet Of The Apes The Day The Earth Stood Still (2008) The Day The Series Stopped Day Watch Deadpool 2 Dead Presidents Deceived (1991) The Deep End Deep Rising Deion’s Double Play The Devil Wears Prada Devil’s Due Die Hard 2 Die Hard With A Vengeance Double Take Down And Out In Beverly Hills Down Periscope Dragonball: Evolution Dreaming Of Joseph Lees Drive Me Crazy The Drop Duets The East Ed Wood The Edge Encino Man Enemy Of The State Enough Said Evita Exodus: Gods And Kings The Fab Five (2011) Far From The Madding Crowd (2015) The Fault In Our Stars The Favourite The Final Conflict Firestorm (1998) The Fly (1986) For The Boys Four Falls Of Buffalo French Connection II The French Connection From Hell Gentlemen Broncos A Good Day To Die Hard Good Morning, Vietnam The Good Son (1993) A Good Year The Grand Budapest Hotel The Great White Hype Grosse Pointe Blank Guilty As Sin Gun Shy The Happening Here On Earth High Fidelity High Heels And Low Lifes Hitchcock Hoffa Holy Man Hope Springs (2003) I Heart Huckabees I Love You, Beth Cooper I Origins I Think I Love My Wife Idiocracy In America In Her Shoes Independence Day Independence Day: Resurgence Inventing The Abbotts Jennifer’s Body The Jewel Of The Nile John Tucker Must Die Johnson Family Vacation Jordan Rides The Bus Joshua Just Married Just Wright Kingdom Come Kissing Jessica Stein Kung Pow: Enter The Fist Ladyhawke The Ladykillers (2004) Last Dance (1996) Le Divorce The League Of Extraordinary Gentlemen The Life Aquatic With Steve Zissou Live Free Or Die Hard Looking For Richard Mad Love (1995) The Man From Snowy River Margaret The Marine Marked For Death The Marrying Man Martha Marcy May Marlene MASH Max Payne The Maze Runner Medicine Man Melinda And Melinda Metro Miami Rhapsody Miller’s Crossing Moulin Rouge (2001) My Father The Hero Mystery, Alaska The Namesake Nature Boy Never Die Alone The Newton Boys Night Watch (2006) No Mas Nothing To Lose Notorious Office Space One Hour Photo Oscar And Lucinda The Other Woman (2014) Our Family Wedding Out To Sea Pathfinder (2007) Phat Girlz Phone Booth Planet Of The Apes (1968) Planet Of The Apes (2001) Pony Excess The Poseidon Adventure (1972) Post Grad Powder The Preacher’s Wife Pretty Woman Primeval The Puppet Masters The Pyramid Quills Quiz Show Ravenous Rebound Renaissance Man Revenge Of The Nerds Ii: Nerds In Paradise The Ringer Robin Hood (1991) The Rocker Romancing The Stone Ruby Sparks Runaway Bride Rushmore Ruthless People The Savages Say It Isn’t So The Scarlet Letter Sea Of Shadows The Secret Life Of Bees Separate Lies The Sessions Shadow Conspiracy Shallow Hal Shining Through The Siege Signs Simon Birch A Simple Twist Of Fate The Sitter (2011) Six Days, Seven Nights Sleeping With The Enemy Solaris Someone Like You Soul Food Spy Hard Stakeout Starship Troopers Stoker Summer Of Sam Super Troopers (2002) Surrogates Swing Kids Taxi (2004) Terminal Velocity Thank You For Smoking There’s Something About Mary The Thin Red Line (1999) Three Billboards Outside Ebbing, Missouri Three Fugitives The Three Stooges (2012) Titan A.E. Tombstone Toys Trapped In Paradise Tristan & Isolde Up Close & Personal V.I. Warshawski Veronica Guerin The Village (2004) Von Ryan’s Express Waiting To Exhale Waitress Waking Life The War Of The Roses The Watch (2012) The Waterboy The Way Way Back What’s Love Got To Do With It When A Man Loves A Woman White Men Can’t Jump William Shakespeare’s Romeo + Juliet Win Win Woman On Top Working Girl (1988) The X-Files

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