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#@ 911 writers what was the reason if not for endgame
loveyourownsmiilee · 1 year
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I like they said he “considers” with regards to the death  doula. It shows Bucks character growth. The Buck before wouldn’t consider anything. He’d have jumped right in consequences be damned. I still also think it’s just more of a plot device to help Buck with his struggle of dying which the show has gone out of the way to show us he is. 911 can be very loud when it wants to be. It very loudly gave us episode after episode of Buckley Diaz family right before all of this. Right down to complimentary colors. It’s also loudly showing Eddie finally processing Shannon’s death and her leaving, in an effort to heal and be his best version. All at the same time the show is loudly showing us Buck going on the same journey himself.
Buddie has been something building since season 2. If and when the show finally pulls the trigger on it, they aren’t gonna want it to just be something easily figured out. Yes There are always gonna be people who figure it out first, but the rest, the shows gonna wanna keep people guessing. Hence misdirection. Make ‘em think one thing, throw in a plot twist (family nights to suddenly each dating someone else briefly) before wrapping it all back up into the grand finale of buddie. That’s just storytelling 101. We know they do everything with a reason and the fact they purposely gave us those 3 Buckley Diaz episodes, consecutively at that, and how they had them act and dress in them, right before this is very loud. Not to mention there is still the couch theory of it all.
I agree with everything you said! They’ve made it a point to have someone tell Buck that he died every single episode since he woke up. Which all has to be for a specific reason right?? And of all the women he can meet, he meets a death doula??? When he hasn’t really dealt with him dying?!? It just makes sense for his overall recovery storyline for him to meet her and have it dealt with his death than in a romantic aspect. There’s been no build up to him wanting to actually date and yes he’s been on a journey to find what makes him happy and at ease. But it’s most definitely not gonna be some random woman he meets. He may consider if she will or won’t but ultimately I want him to choose himself and the person he wants. Not someone new he meets and wants to cling on to. We’ve seen how that worked out the last time. We don’t need a repetition. And you’re right, they’re not gonna just talk about Buck’s potential endgame LI and spoil it in synopsis’ or have the showrunner ruin it. She talked about a Buck and Lucy love story for a whole half a season and nothing came of it. I’m choosing to believe in the writers and the story they have been telling from the beginning of this season (not even talking about s2). The couch theory only makes sense with Eddie and Christopher and with Eddie possibly finally getting that closure from Shannon and being open to dating or finding the one so he’s not alone, I think those things can work out in our favor when the time comes.
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outrunningthedark · 1 year
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joined the 911 fandom few months back and…has it always been this annoying or did something shift recently. someone on twt said maybe mehta coming back doesnt have anything to do w buddie at all and now they are getting cooked for “raining on people’s parade and being a negative nancy for no reason” …. this whole cycle of setting expectations and bullying people for not having the same enthusiasm then getting annoyed that the tv show isnt delivering the same expectation you set is just so annoying??? glad that your blog exists and you exist because this fandom is in heavy NEED of rational minded people 😭🫶🏽
I've been actively involved in fandom since the start of s4 (was a lurker in s3) and from my perspective...things get worse as the seasons continue! In s4, there was *some* hope for canon!Buddie, but Ana came back into the picture and TayKay soon followed so expectations were lowered (because we didn't know how long they'd stick around). Thennn...the shooting happened. Plus the change in guardianship. People were on board again AND we were introduced to even more new fans who couldn't believe "the gay firefighters" weren't together yet. Season five? Eddie breaks up with Ana, Buck breaks up with TayKay..."If Buddie not canon then why did they break up with their girlfriends?" And now season six is about how "all signs point to canon Buddie" no matter what happens. (ie They were convinced Eddie would be a big part of Buck in the coma to hint at feelings and when he wasn't they changed their theories to "explain" why his absence was a good thing; same with the sperm donor arc - all that non-communication was going to pay off once Eddie confronted Buck about a decision he didn't think through and now the lack of 6A content is going unmentioned because Oliver has (twice) emphasized that there's nothing for Buck to come to grips with, he knew what he was doing when he said yes.) I think the fandom just really, really wants to be right about this one thing for two reasons: 1. It would be a game-changer. How many fans of a queer ship can say that they got the endgame they wanted? Furthermore, how many can say their canon ship started out with two straight characters who fell in love over time because a show thought that made the better story? (Not the SPN fandom, that's for sure. They're some of the biggest naysayers you'll find around here because "I've been where you are." Mind you, most us are old af and remember a time when queer ships stayed in fandom spaces because TV shows wouldn't dare take the risk of alienating audiences.) 2. Having Buddie go canon is an opportunity to get back at any and everyone who doesn't believe it'll happen; the ultimate "I told you so!" victory lap.
I do agree with the fandom when it comes to keeping opinions out of other people's inboxes unless they're open to reading it (obviously me :P), but expressing an opinion on your own page (whether that be twitter or tumblr) is what having a social media account in a fandom is for. You don't have to agree with the person. You don't even have to read it. But you can't stop them from feeling how they feel. And quite frankly, while having hope is nice to see (I do, too!), some people could use a reality check. We're not in the writers' room. We don't know what the writing staff is really thinking when they come up with stuff. Even when Kristen makes comments and Oliver gives his perspective, the fandom calls them "liars" or twists their words to fit a narrative that makes for (what they think is) a better outcome. They'll also advise people not to read the articles, but...nobody actually lies in those because they don't give away all that much information, and the information they do give is to tell fandom when things aren't about Buddie, lmao. Kristen said the coma arc was about Bobby and Chim and there fandom was hyping up Eddie's importance only to realize she meant what she said. Oliver says Eddie going after Buck in 6x10 isn't hinting at anything and they're envisioning feelings realizations at Buck's bedside, which never came. They're TELLING fandom to not get its hopes up right now and the speculation has only gone deeper into "this can't be about anything other than Buddie" because everyone is too invested to turn back now.
As for Captain Mehta - I have my own theories about this. Could his presence bring about a mention of the shooting? Yep. Could his presence inspire another conversation? Yep. But *why* him and *why* he finally has a first name? 1. Is everyone at that table supposed to call him Captain Mehta or just Mehta? Nobody knows him on a personal level? 2. Is it possible that throwing some third no-name/relatively unknown firefighter into the scene (along with Capt. Williams and possibly Julie) does nothing to gauge the audience's interest? At least the audience will remember Mehta and there's a connection between him and both halves of Buddie whereas we've seen Julie in limited quantities (and not even as one of their friends off the job) and Miranda Williams was last seen in early s4.
I'm not saying him being back can't be the precursor to important things, but people also thought the Buckleys were coming back after two years so their kids could yell at them some more and they would decline to be with their son in the hospital (why else would they have returned right then, duh!) and we all saw how that turned out. This fandom loves to say "Bestie, you're watching a FOX procedural" on the ~discourse~ days while routinely ignoring the fact that we're watching a FOX procedural. Sometimes what you see really is what you get when the show runners are (currently) pandering to an audience that includes everyone but us.
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hi! ok so i've never seen a single episode of 911, but all your posts have got me intrigued. buck and eddie seem to be the big ship. so is buck going to get with tommy or are the writers planning to make eddie and buck endgame??
I've only seen up to season 4 episode 4 (so far) and after season 7 episode 4 so there's a grain of salt to take with my read of the situation. I think Buck and Eddie are endgame and that Buck dating Tommy for a while is confirmation of that.
I don't think the storytelling around Buck and Tommy indicates they're meant to be forever. I think Tommy is a plot device for Buck to learn he's queer and to learn to be an out, proud queer man and when he's served that purpose they'll find a reason he needs to leave the scene. By season 4 the show has both introduced new long term relationships between existing characters and also has had Buck in several shorter relationships that exist to teach him about himself, the show telegraphs what kind of relationship is happening right from the start and Buck/Tommy is temporary.
Most of my thought process though has been that it's such a huge deal, and such a potential risk to be tanked in ratings, to have a main character come out as queer several seasons into a show that I think they have to have a plan that they're pretty confident will outweigh the people who are mad that the beefy ladysman character is bisexual. Since before last week I only knew 9-1-1 as that firefighter queerbait show, hearing that half of the main fandom ship is now canonically bi was just immediately case closed that Buddie is happening without any knowledge of what the rest of the show was like.
Now, having seen several seasons, I have a lot of faith that the show is very intentionally plotted, it's excruciatingly clear that the writers are well aware of the popularity of Buck/Eddie, and the writers definitely know how to play the emotions of the audience like a fiddle. I have no doubt that making Buck bisexual is about Buck and Eddie being endgame.
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matan4il · 10 months
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The idea of the finale and officially being canceled opinion. For me, nah I would have hated it no matter what. Full confession the reason dates back to Fried Green Tomatoes. I'm the original anon who asked you about them. Always thank you for that beautiful meta on them.
There has always been a great debate on that movie being remade to be more queer and I have never been on board with the notion because quite frankly, the actresses are 🔥 and the movie was so beautiful.
For me, one of the reasons is that over the years, anyone I talk to has a great many opinions. Was Mrs. Threadgood Idgy, if so did she really marry someone else, was she Gradys wife. The list is honestly so good. The best take was Mrs Threadgood was Idgy but yes years later married a man for companionship and Ruth was still her great love. However, the point is I have never met anyone who doesn't believe that Ruth and Idgy were just BFFs. Even if you view them as not sexual, everyone views them as cardinal. Simply their person. And Buddie has gone right to that, and almost past that point by now.
So my opinion is to stop leaving a season with potential women. There is no need, and it's cheap. They don't develop good ones. Give the viewers the opportunity to write and fill in their own ending.
Especially because I have never met a viewer who is like this show won't be complete for me if Buddie don't end up with women. Forcing them into relationships is literally the definition of heteronomativity. No one cares to see it so why not give everyone what they want. Clearly they are each other's person, no LI and open ended to let FF writers take over. It's really not hard ABC!!
Awwww, Fried Green Tomatoes Nonnie! *hugs* Thank you so much for requesting the meta for it, and inspiring the gifset comparing it to Buddie. I am SO pleased to hear you enjoyed it! *hearts forever*
I agree, the movie is perfect as it is, the book is obviously more explicit than the film, and I think that says something in itself about the period it was made in. I think something important for queer people (and allies if they're interested) is learning our histories, and this is a part of it. What could and couldn't be said in a movie about gay love meant to reflect a time further into the past, when the most acceptance one could hope for, without any cynicism, was in silence.
And of course, as you can see in my other recent ask replies as well, I couldn't agree with you more on the underdevelopment for the female Love Interests and its deeply disappointing effect on the meaning of Buddie's journeys. I very much hope 911 under ABC's supervision will give us canon Buddie, but I will accept an ending where there are no LIs, where Buck and Eddie are acknowledged as each other's person, and we the viewers are invited to fill in the blanks. Then again, I have said before that even if the show does - stupidly - end on a note where Buddie are with underwhelming LIs? I'd still just assume they'd eventually break up and find their way to each other. It's their inevitable trajectory, just like Frank was never going to be Ruth's endgame.
Thank you for this ask, Nonnie! Hope you find the reply helpful! xoxox
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writerdownacross · 1 year
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Okay, putting on my black, non shipper hat for a second and holding it tight. WHY are Buck and Eddie’s romantic relationships written LIKE THAT (long post incoming)
Why does it seem like the writers just can’t write Buck or Eddie a decent relationship with anyone but themselves? The only *real* development they have as people is when they are either in conflict with each other or dealing with something in their personal lives while the other is there for them as a rock.
Because the 911 writers KNOW how to write good relationship arcs. We love Bathena and Henren and Madney for a reason. And the individuals in those relationships also dea with hard times like we’re shone - they’re not perfect at all. So you can’t say that it’s a matter of them being more mature or more grounded than Buck or Eddie
But for SOME reason, they (seem to) fail each and every time they put either character with someone that’s not each other.
TV procedurals do not leave relationships like this generally- at least in my experience. If either Buck or Eddie were going to have a relationship with someone romantically that either wasn’t the right time or needed time apart to develop, they would’ve introduced those characters seasons ago. They would have had us seeing them pop in and out, be mentioned by other members of the team, be rescued from
We can’t even say they’re writing these characters single or straight. Both Buck and Eddie WANT love. They’ve made this explicitly clear over and over again.
But they introduce love interests who have little to no chemistry with these men. Like Lucy is the only one I could see Buck being with chemistry wise, but he clearly thinks of their kids as a mistake. And she’s basically fem!Buck.
So if they are keeping Buck and Eddie as best friends that happen to be overly involved in each other’s lives and biggest emotional moments and periods of breaking to grow, and no one else, not even other members of their very close knit community is privy to those moments, what’s the plan here?
Will they retcon all of Buck’s personal growth by making him sift through person after person trying to find THE ONE? Will Eddie just finally be okay with the ready made family in Marisol or whoever because that’s how they want to write his growth from therapy?
​What happens when they introduce someone to Eddie’s life and they set them up to build that amount of trust that Buck has with him and Chris? Does Buck get thrown to the wayside? Because I don’t know any partner that would be cool with a best friend being able to adopt someone they’ve come to see as a child. Eddie would DEFINITELY have to change his will which would just be…horrible really.
Idk this is just stream of consciousness thinking for me but if not Buddie endgame, then what??? What’s been the point of all these seasons?
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stagefoureddiediaz · 2 years
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I see a lot of people really freaked out by the chance that Lucy could become endgame for Buck, if the actress gets confirmed again for season 6. Apart from the fact that she could be in s6 and then end up just like Ana....apart that Buck could break with Taylor and still not get with Eddie first because his journey is different and maybe he needs another messy r/s before figuring out what he wants for himself (but I hope not)....apart from the fact that THERE CAN BE male/female friendships without need for romance or sex and I hope this time Buck gets a real female friend apart from Mom Hen...It seems to me that Lucy, even more so in this latest episode, is the outsider looking in, the stranger who gets to see the 118, a tiny part of the 118, which no one fully understand in their mutual codependency even inside the same firehouse. I think Lucy is all of us, trying to understand what she's witnessing firsthand, but failing to grasp the depth of it. And those who fear her to be Buck's next LI, maybe are missing some key point: I obviously wish I'm not jinxing myself now, but yeah, interviews MUST lie, otherwise where would be the spoiler? and if a writer is good, like the 911's are, they MUST throw in some red herring for us to believe she is endgame because they kissed and because she's another pretty female and because she's a reckless firefighter so they share a lot, and even if they act more like siblings and not like, let's say, the first Bathena or the first Madney, they are m/f so there is a potential....OMG, we are thinking exactly like TAYLOR KELLY???
Sorry not sorry.
Kiki!!!
I totally agree with everything you've said. The more I think about it and the more I rewatch the more convinced I become that Lucys story is about finding a family - a place to belong. Because ultimately that is what this season has been about - identity and family. Every single one of our mains has been dealing with the idea of who they are as a person some have been much louder arcs in relation to that theme such as Eddie and Maddie, while others have been quieter - Hen for example figured out that she is going to specialise in general surgery and her vow renewal with Karen is about their identity as a married couple. We have also seen all of our mains connecting with their families - facing struggles but ultimately re-enforcing bonds and growing closer after having been forced apart by circumstances - this also applies to the firefam as a whole as well - they have been separated, but they are coming back together and will be all the stronger for it.
When we think about all of the Lucy scenes - especially the big ones they have all been either about work or about family and identity - the one exception was the kiss scene it is literally the exception that proves the rule! the bar scene up to that point had been about work and a bit of family stuff - we find out that Lucy is a firefighter in a family of cops - that she is the black sheep. the only other time we have seen her out of work has been when she met up with Jonah and that scene was all about fitting in and wanting to be part of the 118 family.
As for the writers and show runners - of course they will throw in a few red herrings - the kiss was kind of one - it had its purpose - to create a reason for Taylor to get jealous - I wrote another answer to an ask which goes into more detail here - and they are not going to give away Buddie in interviews - its too important - so they will more or less straight up lie to ensure it is kept under wraps because Buddie will be a groundbreaking relationship when it goes canon - the queer community have never been given this epic slow burn love story where two guys in their 30's fall in love with each other and discover their sexuality - this is the kind of thing that will potentially become part of the study of queer representation in film and tv in future because it is that groundbreaking!
I had other stuff written but the excitement over wedding suits crashed my computer so I lost a bit of my reply (grrr) but this is the most important stuff!!
Kiki I hope this is what you were after and that the other post fills in the stuff I haven't gone into here! I love having you in my inbox with your long asks!!! 💜💜💜
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buttercupbuck · 2 years
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i feel like everyone being nice to lucy and being like see she's harmless and just friends are gonna regret it when next season she's set up as Buck's endgame and people are gonna be like where did this come from, maybe people just ignored the signs. I hope I'm wrong but if AK stays I don't see another reason why they're keeping Lucy around if it's not to be Buck's eventual endgame even if she doesn't believe in any of the things he does.
i mean idk what signs actually point to that? i feel like 911 is always very overt when they are trying to set up an endgame relationship vs when they’re alluding that a relationship is either doomed or not for this world, and i just don’t think that one comforting moment (the only actual “conversation” they’ve had on screen since the bar, mind you) is enough to make me feel like they’re laying the foundation for them.
and there are plenty of reasons to keep her around! perhaps they just wanna balance out the men: women ratio a bit more and bring on someone fun and hot. idrc either way if she stays or goes but i don’t think that the only reason she’d ever stay is to become buck’s endgame (which - i think is a larger issue of how both audiences and writers sometimes are guilty of treating new female characters, but i digress)
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reachthezeneth · 3 years
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THE UNIVERSE TAUGHT BUCK ABOUT LOVE USING OLD, MARRIED GAY GUYS WHO LIVED OUT THEIR ADVENTURES TOGETHER?!
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harrowharkwife · 2 years
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i'm sure someone else has phrased this better than i will, but re: the way it's starting to feel like they might be laying the groundwork for an honest to god love confession, i think it's worth pointing out the specific way 911 does foreshadowing for relationships.
i picked up on this a while back, and it's something i've always appreciated about the writing on this show- they are really, really good at "show don't tell" re: relationships. and what i mean by that is that there's a STRONG pattern of showing a main character with the wrong person (or persons!), before showing them with the right one. there's a reason for this- it WORKS. this technique isn't anything new or groundbreaking, it's been done before by tons of other shows, but IMO 911 does it unusually well. it's the reason why the endgame pairings on this show are consistently so strong and compelling.
by showing a main character in a relationship and writing that relationship to feel 'off' or imbalanced, you encourage your audience to think about WHY that pairing doesn't work- and by extension, what character traits in a love interest WOULD work better/be more compelling/a better fit for your main. it gives them something to root for. and it makes the moment when they finally do get together with someone who's a better fit feel much more rewarding because you've set up that narrative contrast. "character A and character B just got together and aww, they're writing them so cute!" is one thing- the concrete juxtaposition/contrast of "character B is SO much better for character A than character C was, because they're more compatible in xyz ways" is another. that second scenario feels much more rooted in emotional reality, anchored in past characterizations of the characters, and encourages the viewers to be more invested in their relationship, because they have something to compare it to- writing a previous 'bad' relationship for a character, when done well, really helps to underscore HOW healthy and strong a subsequent 'good' relationship is.
this technique is most commonly used when writing slow burns, but 911 doesn't just do this once in a while. it's been their writers room blueprint for literally every romantic pairing.
more under the cut.
athena had michael, and their relationship was written to show that athena needs someone who can be BOTH a stable and devoted father/husband/coparent (like michael), and wildly attracted to/head over heels for her in a romantic sense (like bobby).
we didn't see much of bobby's relationship with his late wife, but it seemed like they had issues communicating honestly with each other, and bobby felt he wasn't "there" for his kids as much as he'd like to be, due to everything he was dealing with at the time. in his relationship with athena, we see them communicating openly about hard things, including bobby's sobriety, and being with athena gave him a second chance to be the kind of father he wanted to be. it doesn't erase his past pain, obviously- but there's something undeniably healing for him in getting to be there for may and harry.
chimney had tatiana, and their relationship was written to show that he needs someone he can be honest with, someone who appreciates him for how goofy he is instead of wanting him to be some suave hero archetype, someone who understands the reality of the first responder life and not the "fantasy ideal" of it, and someone who will visit him in the hospital, stick with him through thick and thin. enter maddie, who meets all the above criteria! ALSO: part of chimney's arc with tatiana was that he was rushing things in their relationship, and needed to learn to take his time- this is a big part of why his relationship with maddie feels so compelling and like such good growth for him!
maddie is a particularly good example- her relationship with doug was obviously abusive, and a huge part of that was her feeling controlled, stalked, chased, harassed, etc. maddie needs someone who will let her have her freedom, give her space when she needs it, and be patient with her through the ups and downs of her healing. maddie cannot feel chased or hunted in a relationship, for obvious reasons. this is why her relationship with chimney feels so compelling and rock-solid, because we see the way he lets her set the pace of milestones, like saying i love you, etc. this is why it was so important that chimney *went looking for her* when she ran away, without *chasing her*.
hen had eva, and while we didn't see too much of their relationship, a moment in hen begins stood out to me, where hen told eva she wanted to apply to become a firefighter, and eva's immediate reaction was to shut her down, ask if it was the best choice for her, etc. this shows us that hen needs someone who won't dull her shine, or discourage her from pursuing her goals- which is why karen supporting her through her med school journey (and being a badass rocket scientist herself!) feels so significant. also, i hate cheating plotlines, but the resolution of hen's s1 arc with eva underscored how important stability and family and commitment are for hen in a relationship, and karen represents all of those. eva representing a threat to their custody of denny is meaningful too, because it served to establish how important family is to hen and karen, which made their IVF and fostering plotlines feel all the more rich and rewarding to watch.
which brings us to buck and eddie.
abby served to show us that buck needs someone he can help, someone he can stand by through a tough time, someone who's willing to let him step into their mess instead of hiding it away from him. she served to show us that he needs someone who won't leave, someone who will communicate honestly with him, and someone willing to commit to him.
ali served to show us that buck needs someone who will love and honor how important his career is to him, who won't be scared off by the risk inherent to him being a first responder.
taylor is serving to show us a LOT of things, some of which i think are still in the process of being revealed- their impending breakup will tell us more, lol. but so far, taylor is serving to show us that buck CANNOT be isolated from his support network. that he needs someone who sees him and notices how he's doing, who understands him as a person and understands his pressure points, who recognizes that calling him "needy" or saying "it's not about you" isn't helpful. he needs someone who INVITES HIM INTO THEIR LIFE TOO- so far *all* we've seen is taylor worming her way into his life, his friends, his job, and his apartment, with zero reciprocity. he doesn't share his feelings freely with her, he holds details back from her, because he knows her career will always come first. so far the issue with buck and taylor seems to be an issue of mutual lack of trust and vulnerability, that they don't really know each other and they don't know how to talk to each other, which implies that he needs someone who he's unafraid to be his real, full, earnest self around. (enter: "you don't need to pretend with me," and why eddie's response to "move on" hit him so hard.)
lucy- okay, first things first, i doubt anything physical will happen beyond that initial kiss. the wrench between buck and taylor isn't lucy, it's buck himself, and lucy working in the 118 is just going to serve as a) a constant pressure point reminder of his guilt over cheating on taylor, b) a constant pressure point reminder of how she's Not Eddie and how she can Never Be Eddie, and c) a constant pressure point reminder of his pattern of self-injurious risk taking behavior. sometimes you need to introduce a shadow to remind your character to chase the light instead, that's all I'll say. anyway- lucy is there to show that buck doesn't just need a ~badass daredevil firefighter~ OR ~a hot snarky bossy girl~. he needs eddie.
now for eddie- shannon was there to show that he needs someone willing and able to be there for chris, make decisions with his best interest in mind, and love him unreservedly without treating him like a burden. eddie was conflicted about getting back together with shannon EXPLICITLY BECAUSE he wasn't sure it would be the right choice for chris. shannon showed that eddie needs someone to collaboratively co-parent with, someone who he fully trusts to stick by his kid. also, the other huge part of why eddie and shannon were dysfunctional was that they didn't talk to each other about the hard things. it was a constant fight, both of them always making selfish decisions behind the others back without their input. someone who's willing to call him out if he tries to run away from his problems again.
ana is a pretty obvious one, but her relationship with eddie was written to show us what overcorrecting looks like for eddie- he has to follow his heart too, not just christopher's. it's not enough that his kid likes her, he needs to like her too. he needs to find someone who's a good match for him, not an instant ready-made mother figure. he panicked specifically at the idea of her being his wife and christopher's mother, implying he needs someone he's not afraid to think about in the future tense- remind me who he put in his literal will, again?
this post got really fucking long really fast, my bad, but my point is this: endgame relationships don't feel rich or fulfilling or narratively satisfying if you have nothing to contrast them with. writing a character in a 'bad' relationship does not necessarily equal 'bad writing'- in fact, it's frequently a hallmark of very good writing that's not afraid to take its time. 911 has made a point over and over again of providing previous "bad" relationships for all the characters, in order to show us context for WHY their current relationships work. showing, not telling.
yes, buck and eddie have longer lists of "bad" relationships than the other characters- but at this point, i have a feeling that the writers are doing an exceptionally thorough job with the "show don't tell" exercise, IN LIEU of having to write some dramatic, overwraught, cliche coming out storyline. if you prove over and over again that these two characters are the strongest, most compatible match for each other, by using the 'negative space' of their unfulfilling/failed relationships to essentially do a process of elimination- (buck needs someone who's willing to stay and commit to him, who understands how important his job is to his identity, who knows and understands him and shares their world with him, who doesn't egg on his impulsive risk taking, someone who's not just any old firefighter but a true partner; eddie needs someone who can be there for him and his son in equal measure, someone he sees a future with, someone he can talk to and be honest with, someone that's good for him and not just chris)
you can convey to your audience that these two characters are a good fit for each other. and if you have the evidence to back it up, it's going to be a lot harder for anyone to argue with it. it makes sense, on a proven compatability level. it leaves zero room for any "but they're straight," "but this is just pandering to fans it makes no sense," nothing. it allows them to build a pairing that will make intuitive, natural sense for all viewers, even casual ones who haven't been obsessively watching buck and eddie's interactions like a hawk for years. when you get a couple together in long form media and you plan on keeping them together, you want the audience response to be "oh, yeah, i can see how they fit together," not "huh, i wonder what this relationship will be like and i wonder how long it will last."
for now, i'm still keeping the faith. i know it's fucking exhausting at this point, but i really, really think they're on to something here. failed relationships often tell us more about characters than successful ones. nick and jess finally getting together at the end of new girl wouldn't have had anywhere near as much narrative payoff, without all their previous failed relationships- seeing them each get it wrong over and over again only made it that much more exciting to see them finally, finally get it right. and it resolved all of the "questions" about their surface-level incompatibilities: jess is uptight, nick can't get his shit together, she's successful, he's not, she's forthcoming about her emotions, he's repressed, etc.
all of that just fell away in the face of the overwhelming sense of "yeah, of course they're it for each other. how could it be anyone else?" we just knew they could make it work, and we had the evidence to trust that they would.
no questions asked.
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thebigoblin · 2 years
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what is your favorite fic of all time?
YOU CAN'T JUST ASK THAT. HOW AM I SUPPOSED TO CHOOSE?!
but okay. Okay. I can do this!
What is my #1 fic of all time? there's like, one for Spn, Teen Wolf and MCU, sooo imma link all 3 of them under the cut (it got long :P)
Bonded 'Verse - yeah it's a series, but they're all connected.
Fandom: Supernatural | Ship: Dean Winchester/Castiel
This is like... the first "long" fic I read. It's still the longest series I've ever read, and it's at like... 2 MILLION WORDS. Even more than that. And yeah, it's rated E, but the fluff is immaculate! And the familyyyyy yessss! (Ngl the smut is weird af for my tastes, but I love every character in this series to pieces <3 so I endured lol).
It follows Dean and Castiel, a Demon and an Angel (there's three species in this world: Angels, Demons and Humans, and even in them there is this subdivision of Submissives and Dominants, which is like this universe's terms for Omega and Alpha). As you can already tell, this is an Mpreg fic, but it starts in college and with a roommates + enemies to lovers arc that's a little cliché, but hey, still incredible! This is the first part in the series, and then in the second we see Dean and Castiel living their lives and thinking of starting a family and starting a family and being parents and being in love. It's also not just fluff, there's this plot with Lucifer, and then there's the whole discrimination that Dean/Castiel face for being an interspecies couple, and there's some heartbreaking moments where their kids face speciesm for being of "mixed" blood.
In short I love this series and could go on forever, and sorry already you had to read so much about a fandom you probably don't go to 😂
Home - this also has three parts to it, read all of them to get the experience!!
Fandom: Teen Wolf | Ship: Derek Hale/Stiles Stilinski
Okay so this is fairly famous I think, probably even a staple Sterek fic, and for good reason. THIS IS INCREDIBLE. Even if this is an Alternate Universe, where much of the canon has been disregarded, the relationship between Derek and Stiles and the background in the "Raising Home" fic (to be read between chapter 15 and 16 of "Home") is like... tears worthy. I cried, full on fucking sobbed, this is SO good. I love this. Give it a read if you're new to the Sterek Fandom, trust me you won't be disappointed. There's even Art (by the writer herself!!!) embedded into the fic, and it's not just one or two, but like, one or two in EVERY CHAPTER.
Please give this a read, or even a reread. This fic deserves all the love in the world.
I. Am. Spider-Man. - the only fic which is not part of a series lol, but still big.
Fandom: MCU | Ship: Peter Parker/Michelle Jones, but the focus is on the relationship between Peter Parker & Tony Stark, so this is more of a gen fic than a romantic fic.
I have also recced this fic here.
Okay so, this is post-Endgame, and Tony Stark is Dead. Everyone is grieving, and there's this black cloud of depression hanging over the world—and Jim Morita, the Principal of Midtown High (fun fact: he was played by Kenneth Choi, aka Chimney from 911 Show), decides that he can't watch his kids waste away like this. So, he arranges a Field Trip to SI Industries, which is more the farmhouse Tony had than the Tower we know and love.
There's Grief/Mourning. There's Angst. There's Tears. There's Action. There's soft IronDad and SpiderSon in flashbacks. There's Identity Reveal (hence the title of the fic). It's cathartic.
Lol thank you for the ask <3 and enjoy my rambling 😂 and to the anon who asked me for the correct order of watching MCU fics, lol you will have to wait 'cuz I'm gonna ramble much more xD.
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bisexualbuckleyy · 3 years
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the 911 fandom and female love interests: a controversial hot take
here is my hot take of the day that will probably piss off a lot of people but it’s just my opinion on how the fandom has reacted to female love interests for buck and eddie, specifically ana, and how members of the fandom have been reacting to those reactions.
i’ve seen a lot of posts saying stuff like “you only dislike ana because she’s coming in between buddie” and i’m here to say: so what?
now, i would like to preface this by saying i don’t dislike ana as a character and have a massive crush on gabrielle walsh, but to be completely honest i don’t have much of an opinion on ana except for that i think she’s pretty and i don’t like her and eddie together.
do you want to know why? because she does not have a personality outside of her relationship with eddie and her connection to christopher. there is literally not enough information about her as a character to even develop a strong opinion on her. the only substance we have that we can develop a strong opinion on is how she impacts the main characters.
here is a list of the things we know about ana:
she was christopher’s english teacher
she’s latina
she has a family member named edmundo
she told eddie that christopher has limitations and that there are things he won’t be able to do
she got her doctorate and is now a vice principal
she’s a good cook
she’s dating eddie
that is the extent of what we know about ana flores. is any of that worthy of hating her? no. but is any of it worthy of being really emotionally invested in her? also no.
now here is a list of things that have happened with other characters as a result of ana flores:
christopher fell off the skateboard (not directly her fault but it was made very clear that eddie blamed her and yelled at her about it)
christopher got mad at eddie (on two separate occasions)
eddie didn’t notice his own son sneaking out of the house
eddie acted like a completely different character for an entire episode
don’t get me wrong, i think she’s had some good impacts too, but those are the things that the story has highlighted. not to mention the fact that eddie now has a canon significant other and it is less likely that buddie will become canon any time soon.
now, are any of those things worthy of hating her? no, mostly because the majority of those things were not her fault, but the way that the storylines were written, they were directly connected to her influence and presence in the story as either christopher’s teacher or eddie’s girlfriend.
the fact of the matter is that ana has gotten zero development as a character and currently has very little substance outside of being eddie’s girlfriend. and this is not a new thing that the writers have done. see: ali.
ali is introduced not as a love interest but as an emergency victim. we see her interact with buck and eddie for two episodes, don’t see her for six episodes, then see her in the last episode of the season only for her and buck to break up. her sole purpose as a character was to be buck’s girlfriend for half a season and then break up with him.
here are the things we know about ali:
she designs hotels (i think? something like that)
her boss sexually harassed her
she was trapped in a high rise during an earthquake with buck and eddie
she dated buck for an unknown amount of time
she travels a lot for work
she helped buck find an apartment
she broke up with buck after his leg got crushed by the ladder truck
none of those things really merit any kind of a strong opinion on her. i don’t even think she was mentioned for the majority of season 2B unless it was plot relevant that buck had a girlfriend.
love interests that are not main characters are not well developed characters because they don’t need to be. they’re not people, they’re plot devices for main characters to develop or for storylines to progress in a certain way.
look at the actual well developed romances on the show: bathena, madney, henren, even buck and abby although it was just one season. all of these relationships are between two main characters or a main character and a prominent supporting character. henren slightly less so, but they’re established as a couple at the beginning of the show and get their fair share of storylines, so they still have development.
it’s very difficult to be invested in a relationship between a complex well developed character and a fairly one dimensional undeveloped or under developed character, and it’s also difficult to be invested in a character that has a very one dimensional personality.
ana has basically no flaws outside of the skateboarding incident, so what else would people be disliking her for if not for that she’s coming in between buddie? and if people are disliking her for coming in between buddie, then that’s completely valid. i’m very emotionally invested in buddie and really want them to become a couple, so i’m kind of annoyed that they’re bringing in a female character who has no personality except ‘love interest’ and making her be eddie’s girlfriend.
now, i’m not saying that means it’s totally okay to say “ana is a horrible person and i hate her because she’s coming in between my ship” because all evidence points to her not being a horrible person and it’s definitely not okay to say that. but it is completely valid to say “i really don’t like this character being on the show because they’re not developed and are coming between a ship that i’m very passionate about” and that doesn’t make you sexist or racist or whatever else people are saying, as long as that’s genuinely why you don’t like her.
these are fictional characters, not real people, and it’s valid to not like a fictional character because they’re preventing a storyline from happening that you really want to happen.
most importantly: THIS DOES NOT GIVE YOU ANY RIGHT TO ATTACK GABRIELLE WALSH. she is not a writer on the show, she did not write ana this way, she did not choose to have ana be eddie’s girlfriend, she is not the reason why buddie is not together. she is an actress who was hired to play a role and she is doing an amazing job with what she has been given. if you’re going to dislike any real people, dislike the writers because they’re the ones who are writing the story this way.
to sum up a ridiculously long post: if you love ana flores, great! if you hope her and eddie are endgame and have a very long and happy relationship, then you do you. if you’re kinda eh on ana and don’t feel strongly either way, that’s totally fine! if you really don’t like ana, that’s also totally fine! if you like ana as a character and think she has potential but you don’t like her and eddie together, awesome! if you’re secretly praying for lena to come back and for her and ana to be girlfriends (like me), then please come talk to me because i would be so here for that.
you are entitled to your own opinion, but that does not give you the right to insult other people or call them names for their opinions or to harass the actress who is just doing her job. respect other people’s feelings and decisions and remember that these are fictional characters whose sole purpose is to create an interesting and entertaining story, and if you dislike a character because you feel like they’re getting in the way of an interesting and entertaining story, you’re 100% entitled to that.
so please, stop attacking other people for their opinions and for the love of god, do not attack the actors. thank you for coming to my ted talk feel free to send me pictures of gabrielle walsh or scream at me about 911 whenever you want!
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btw again wanna say that I'm not saying Buddie is queerbaiting the complete opposite, Buddie is clearly being set up as a love story and especially after the last episode you have to be completely blind or obtuse not to notice it.
Like we seriously got Buck completely acting like Eddie's husband and Chris's father in one episode. We got the Buckley Diaz as a family unit in this episode completely. Buck and Lucy meanwhile had Buck giving her advise in a workplace setting with a desk in between them, not intimate. Buck with Eddie throughout this entire episode, the definition of love and intimacy.
BTW I really love your insightful posts.
No, no, I understand, and I didn’t think you were saying that. My frustration is very much with the people who are so committed to their agenda of “the people who make the show are evil homophobes who hate queer people and anything we like about Buddie is either an accident because they don’t see the potential or deliberate queerbaiting” (which, like…pick a lane y’all it can’t be both) that they refuse to just…watch the show and acknowledge the reality of what is actually being shown. I can understand impatience because we’re all human, I can understand some amount of anxiety because a queer slow burn like this is groundbreaking for mainstream media, but what I absolutely cannot understand or agree with is the level of hostility and vitriol about what is SUCH a thoughtful and delicate and beautifully crafted narrative.
It’s also just extremely telling about what these people care about and the lack of understanding about…life. There’s not a wrong way to watch a show, I personally think it’s fine if people watch because of a ship and that’s their main draw. But then if you’re doing that then you have to be honest about it. Because you may be watching for the ship, but the writers are writing for the characters. Eddie’s current arc is about Eddie—it’s about his growth and his healing and his journey of self-discovery. Buck is part of that, but Eddie’s arc is about Eddie as a character, not Buddie as a ship, because Eddie exists as a character separate from the ship, and the writers are not wrong or bad for the way they’ve gone about this. Similarly, Buck’s arc (including the BT of it all) is about Buck—his growth and healing and journey of self-discovery, which as we have seen has involved him regressing in certain ways and making mistakes because healing isn’t linear. Buck exists as a character separate from Buddie the ship and the writers are also not wrong or bad for the way they’ve gone about his arc. The same goes for every other character on the show.
When I say the comments and reactions demonstrate a lack of understanding about life, what I mean is: 911 is not a CW show. The stories being told, the character arcs being developed—those are adult stories with grey areas and nuance and complexity. Because real life and real relationships and real trauma are that complicated. Adulthood is complicated. The fact that the writers are committed to acknowledging that and refuse to shortchange their portrayals of that complexity because some vocal people on social media think that a lifetime of trauma can or should be fixed by a kiss from the right person after which we can all live happily ever after is a sign of their talent and strength and bravery, not a weakness. It’s one of the things I respect the most about this team of writers and a big reason why I have the faith that I do in the ultimate endgame here.
Anyway, I remain as ever, committed to my belief that if all the people who throw tantrums every week because the show hasn’t done exactly what they want yet actually stopped watching instead of just saying they will, the fandom would be a much more enjoyable place all around.
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milenadaniels · 3 years
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911′s Use of Sexual Content and EddieAna
I’m still thirsty and still procrastinating so have more analysis! (Also help me procrastinate by participating in the very important thirst study here!)
I was reading this most excellent addition to our growing body of work on the relative possibility of canon Buddie sex scenes and thinking thoughts. To sum up the original analysis, we have determined that, for whatever reason, there is a sudden and sharp decline (near absence) of sexual content in 9-1-1 past early season 2.
What @toughpaperround​ pointed out is that we could, in the absolute, take the EddieAna homework scene as one source of sexual content and you know what? I AGREE! And what’s more, I find it extremely interesting. Let me blather on about why:
Let us point out that in the development of all other relationships on the show, physical intimacy has been a staple:
HenRen have multiple scenes in their bedroom, kissing
Bathena started season 2 hot and heavy with making out and still routinely kiss
Madney was founded on the most adorable kisses and Pinned is like an homage to their physical closeness
Veronica/Albert was visually implied to have had sex by his coming out of her shower
And though they’re over, the couple that started the show: Abby x Buck - it was actually a point of their relationship that they resisted physical intimacy...until they didn’t
I’m even going to throw in Buddie where we’ve had 3 whole hugs, more than we’ve seen Buck have with anyone and we know physical intimacy is very important to him
So I think it’s fascinating that while EddieAna is unarguably the new “developing” relationship on the show now that Madney have been moved into the “safely endgame” column, their claim to sexual content is a fakeout of implied sexual content (the panning from the abandoned supper to the trail of abandoned shoes, etc.) that gets immediately and summarily kiboshed two seconds later and replaced with literally the biggest turnoff for most people: math homework.
(People have spoken at length about this scene and the significance of EddieAna being literally cockblocked by Christopher/Buck so I won’t go over it again.)
I’ll just leave it at pointing out that season 4, to my knowledge, is mostly devoid of any sexual content and yet it acts as the stage for the (very rapidly) developing relationship of EddieAna. And instead of developing their sexual/romantic intimacy like the writers have done with every other romantic couple on the show, they went “lol naaah we don’t want that”.
And then Eddie goes through one of the biggest traumas of his life, and instead of giving us a scene where Eddie wakes up and they share that first on-screen kiss or develop any intimacy there, they....just don’t...instead they show Ana to be as vital to his recovery as the chair she camped out on. And when he gets home, she gets the same cheek kiss he gave Abuela.
All this to say I’m more convinced than ever that Ana was either always planned as a stepping stone in Eddie’s journey or became one fairly quickly after the date episode. I find it fascinating the lengths they’ve gone to to distinguish EddieAna as a couple that doesn’t get the same treatment as every other developing couple on the show.
An in relation to the original analysis linked at the start, I think this doubly improves the odds of canon Buddie getting on-screen sexual/romantic intimacy because we would know pretty much immediately that they’re endgame, which means they’d get all the bells and whistles Bathena and Madney did (dates, kissing, implied sex scenes).
P.S. There is always the consideration that EddieAna haven’t been shown as sexually intimate because the writers are pursuing an asexual relationship but I would argue we haven’t seen any indication of that identity emerging for Eddie as of yet, though it of course doesn’t preclude it in the future.
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obviously everyone has the right to feel how they feel but i don’t see why people are so upset about how the episode went down. the episode framed buck as Eddie’s grieving partner, not ana. and the buck and taylor kiss felt very out of character for what they literally JUST established a few episodes before which likely means that’s the point. they were just reacting to the emotion of the last few days. people are saying it feels like they’re not sure where the story is going now and that
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i'm not putting a lot of stock into the buck/taylor kiss. i think they care about each other and they have history, but taylor just shut down the possibility like 2 episodes ago. like you said, i think they were just reacting in the moment. if buck/taylor were endgame i don't think that's how the show would set up the beginning of their relationship. for all we know they might reveal at the beginning of season 5 that they realized once the dust settled they didn't actually want to date each other, or they might date briefly and then part ways. like you said, no one got engaged or confessed their undying love for each other. what's a couple of kisses compared to way bigger, life altering things?
they aren't perfect but overall the 911 writers know how to tell a good story. take 4x08 for example. people were upset and saying eddie was ooc for pushing ana on christopher so soon in their relationship. fast forward a few episodes and it's implied that the whole reason eddie did that was for christopher, because he thought it would be good for him to have ana in his life. prioritizing christopher's happiness over his own is extremely in character, so even if something initially seems out of character or off doesn't mean it isn't part of a bigger plan.
just because we don't necessarily like and/or understand the route the writers are taking doesn't mean buddie isn't still the ultimate destination.
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I don't even want to type the name Lucy all summer lol. I'm just not worried about her and the main reason I'm not is they blew up both Buck and Eddie's relationships. There was absolutely no reason to do that IMHO. Realistically the general audience didn't hate Taylor. She was at least given more layers then Anna and having a side character reporter actually could have come in handy. If you only left Eddie single then I would be more worried about that since Lucy is a lot like Buck, meaning the opposite of Anna.
Also the kiss reinforced the unhealthy ways Buck used sex in the past. I just don't see how it's a healthy start to any relationship between her or Buck and Eddie.
But again just to bring home the fact--- they set up Taylor for four seasons and Anna for 3 seasons and left them both still single in the end. As a writer why do that to yourself. Your in S6, no promise for 7 or more. They either plan to leave them perpetually single best guy pals, or their storyline is together. I think either way it's always gonna be their storyline together.
You can't bring another partner male or female that can compete with the others place in their life and they won't gain audience approval. It was cringy enough watching Anna take up space with the Diaz boys. Please don't do that to me again.
Hi Nonnie! Oh, I’m with you. Honestly, I think they figuratively blew up any future relationship either Buck or Eddie could have on the show, no matter with what kind of a character (man, woman, recurring character or a more permanent fixture on the show) the second they made them so integral to each other’s life. I swear, after the end of 303 and the way Eddie and Buck basically gay married each other before God and Chris, bathing in that golden light, no one else could stand a chance. That they’ve made this r/s even deeper and more intense since, and that the show actually chose to also literally blow up both men’s romantic relationships (and in the same manner, more or less, and during the same season) is just proof 911 must know that Buddie is the only thing that makes sense as either man’s endgame at this point. Not to mention Christopher’s endgame! That boy deserves to have both his dads living with him, married and struggling to figure out how to keep their sex noises down.
Oh, def the kiss was unhealthy and there was no way that Buck and Lucy would have gotten together as an official, romantic couple immediately after it. In the long run, after enough time has passed? That I can’t rule out. I’m not saying the show will take it there! Just that it’s a possibility I’m not discounting. Also, we’re at the end of s5 and there’s no telling how long 911 will run for. Yes, there’s no real guarantee for a s7, but I can’t see it running for less than 9 seasons given how it’s still Fox’s strongest scripted drama. But even if the show goes ahead and tries Buck with Lucy, which I’m still not sure it will, even then, there’s no way they’re endgame.
I’m totally in agreement with you, personally I am READY for Buck and Eddie to get together, to have their ‘oh’ moment and see with new eyes what has always been staring them in the face. I think Tim’s plans are a bit more long term, so they won’t just yet, but I’m here and I know nothing else will satisfy the viewers.
I hope you have a wonderful day, lovely! xoxox
(I got an influx of asks, I WILL answer all of them, but it might take a sec. If anyone wants to check whether I've already answered theirs or to read my replies, here's my ask tag. Thank you! xoxox)
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coal15 · 3 years
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Where I'm at re: buddie, eddieana, bucktaylor . . .
I deeply want Buck and Eddie to become a couple, and Christopher's Official Dads at some point.
But if, as far as the writers are concerned, that option isn't even on the table, I can be satisfied with fic/fandom, etc . . .
. . . and I could even enjoy Bucktaylor as a couple if written correctly. They do have nice chemistry, the actors play off each other well. But . . .
. . . there is no universe in which I'm okay with eddieana. I guess I could tolerate them for maybe the first few eps of S5, but if they're shown as the clearly intended endgame for Eddie? Nope. Even if Evan Buckley literally never existed on the show so there was no buddie ship in the first place? Still a big ol' no for me on eddieana. No, no, nope, never, nopitty nope no. Yuck now, yuck forever.
Point being, from where I stand, there are a limited number of reasons to dislike Bucktaylor as a pairing--and most of those can be fixed by demonstrable character growth. Did Taylor try to exploit her footage of Bobby to advance her career? Yes, which made her deeply unsympathetic. But people can grow, mature, realize/admit their mistakes and become better. So if I knew for a fact that Buddie was absolutely not gonna happen no matter what, I could satisfy myself with buddie fanfic and actually enjoy Bucktaylor on the show. They actors do play well off of each other, they have a nice chemistry, etc. So my main reason for disliking them as a romantic couple has to do with my love of and preference for buddie. I'd rather have Buddie than them. But take away buddie, and sure. I'm cool with an evolution of Bucktaylor.
Whereas my reasons for disliking eddieana have literally nothing at all to do with buddie. She's simply a flat, poorly written character. The actors have no chemistry at all, Eddie becomes OOC and dull when he's around her (which again is a writing problem) and she feels wedged in. If not for being Eddie's love interest she'd have no organic footing in the 911 universe at all. Compared to Taylor who, as a reporter, could stand on her own--and even add an interesting perspective--in the 911 universe. Even without dating Buck. Which makes her, even with so little screentime, a more well developed and interesting character than Ana.
So that's where I am. Sidenote: I am super fucking great at turning a simple thought into a massive monologue, aren't I? I love that for me.
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