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best-childhood-book · 4 months
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lapluieellepleut · 5 months
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adarkrainbow · 6 months
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Spooky season fairytales (5)
We have looked at movies (or additional material) exploring individual fairytales that could fit the spooky season. For the candy and the witchy, we looked at Hansel and Gretel. For the apples and the disguises, Snow White. For the monsters and horror, Little Red Riding Hood. But now let's take a look at those stories that are definitively dark, spooky, horrifying stories... But that use several fairytales together at once.
Let's start with...
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Terry Gilliam's The Brothers Grimm.
Aka probably the most disturbing fairytale movie you will have ever seen. And not even fully disturbing on purpose... I mean, there are many moments intended to be disturbing, but there's just as many that were disturbing by accident. But this movie marked an entire generation and gave nightmares to many, many people. Be ready... for disturbing stuff.
The plot of the story is quite simple to explain, but it hides deeper things. The story is basically an alternative history exploring a different incarnation of the brothers Grimm, now poor crooks trying to make a life in a Germany ravaged by the Napoleonian wars by being fake "ghost/witch/goblin" hunters, using their folkloric knowledge to play on the terror of villagers. It all backfires on them, however, when the French authorities send them to "investigate" a problem of missing girls in a remote village - a series of mysterious disappearances the villagers explain with a bunch of superstitions and folktales. The two brothers will then discover that some fairytales are real, and evil lurks within the woods...
Now, there is ONE thing, one VERY important thing to know to understand the nature of this movie. This movie was the result of a sterile and useless war that disappointed everyone - and this is why you have in effect a movie that could have been great, but is just... okay, alright, with some very good, some very bad... and a LOT of disturbingness. This movie is a Terry Gilliam product, a Terry Gilliam fantasy film, and if you know his other works, you'll recognize his brand. His exploration of the themes of dreams, belief, escapism, hope in front of corruption, despair, the death of the imagination and tyranny ; his style of oniric, surrealistic fantasy superposing creepy and dark creatures with extravagant and comical characters resulting in disturbing comedy and absurd horror and unsettling wonders. We are talking of the man behind Brazil, The Adventures of Baron Munchaunsen, Time Badits, The Zero Theorem, The Imaginarium of Doctor Parnassus, etc etc... And this movie still bears the mark of his imagination, mind and style, and you can see how he twisted fairytales into a horrifying nightmare. But it is only half of a Gilliam film.
Because the other half was the result of another man imposing with brute power, a lot of anger, and a lot of money, his own ideas upon the piece. Bob Weinstein, yes, of the Weinstein brothers. He was a producer of the movie, and the kind of producer that was going to direct, write and do everything with the movie. Weinstein's idea of the piece was basically what would later be known as "Hansel and Gretel: Witch Hunters". This movie was that Weinstein wanted "The Brothers Grimm" to be. While Gilliam wanted a movie in line with his "Time Bandits", his "Brazil", his "Fisher King" and... well his Gilliam brand. But Weinstein wanted more action, more battle scenes, only big-name actors, he wanted all the women to be sexy... Heck, Bob Weinstein refused to have Gilliam's choice of Johnny Depp playing William Grimm, because he wasn't "commercial" enough, and when he was replaced by Matt Damon, Gilliam wanted Damon to wear a prosthetic nose so he looked more like the historical Grimm, only for Weinstein to refuse again because it would have ruined his "good looks". Similarly, for the main female role of Angelika Gilliam wanted Samantha Morton, but the Weinstein brothers (yes both of them) refused because she wasn't sexy, and insisted on having a sexy actress - in this case Lena Headey.
This movie was a constant, constant battle, feuds and struggles with no end - and it was so frustating that Terry Gilliam, out of spite and despair at seeing his project ruined, went on to make a separate movie while "The Brothers Grimm" was done (and this movie was the very disturbing and unfamous "Tideland", which is a good reflection of what Gilliam's state of mind was at the time). In the end, in Gilliam's own word, he managed to make a movie that wasn't what the Weinstein brothers wanted, and in such a way it was good... but he also couldn't make the movie he wanted either, and so nobody won here. And you can feel that indeed this movie is tugged between two directions, stuck between two roads, halfway between "Hansel and Gretel: Witch Hunters" and "The Company of Wolves", a monstrous hybrid between "Snow White and the Huntsman" and "Pan's Labyrinth".
But it still has its own horror, its own charm, you can see the movie that was intended to be made, that was half-made - and it still marked the history of fairytale cinematic adaptatons with some of the creepiest, most nightmarish ideas and imageries that ever were. This movie is probably the most disturbed adaptation of "The Gingerbread Man" you'll have ever seen, and the HORSE! By all gosh, you think Little Red Riding Hood's wolf was bad, WAIT UNTIL YOU SEE THE BIG BAD HORSE! This is a nightmare-fuel movie, people. And I do not sugar-coat this.
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Next on our list would be the 2015's "Tale of Tales" movie, an Italian product (with French and British help and participation). This movie is, to my knowledge, the only movie adaptation of Basile's Pentamerone, and since it couldn't possibly cover the hundred and so stories, three were selected and readapted to fit into a greater ensemble: The Enchanted Doe, The Flea, and The Flayed Old Lady.
Together, these three stories were reinterpreted and woven to focus on the Maiden-Mother-Crone archetype (the girl-princess in The Flea, the mother-queen in The Enchanted Doe, the old women of The Flayed Old Lady), and thus explore women's relationships to men in their most negative lights ; but moreso, the movie was designed around the themes of extreme and dangerous desires - the theme of obsession.
This movie is beautifully shot and designed, with incredible sets, excellent practical special effects and gorgeous costumes - but this movie is also very mature, very sad and very dark. One thing that needs to be known is that the original Pentamerone is a comedic work. Its fairytales are all pieces of vulgar humor and extravagant farces, filled with slapstick-gore scenes and lots of sexual jokes. It wasn't the oniric folk-wonder of the Grimms, it wasn't the refined and elegant terror interwoven with modern and delicate miracles of Perrault and d'Aulnoy - these were "laugh-out-loud" and "burst-your-gut" stories of old women pissing and ogres farting loudly and husbands cheating on their wives and bad people scamming idiots before being strongly beaten up...
What this movie did was take back the stories, and remove all the humor and extravagance of it. And as the saying goes, when you remove the laugh track of a sitcom, you get an uncomfortable tragedy. This movie still has the gore, the sex, the crazy or foolish characters, the caricatures and the bizarre... But without the humor and the jokes, it all becomes sadness and horror, it becomes distubring and grotesque. In a way, this movie at the same time works as the antithesis of Basile's original work, and yet as a very faithful adaptation since, while it betrays the original intentions, it brings to light what the stories are fundamentaly made of and the themes it was driven by.
It also helps understanding the aesthetic of the movie to know that one of the main inspirations for this piece were the drawings and paintings of Goya.
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And the final piece of this post would be Adam Gidwitz's "A Tale Dark and Grimm".
Now, you might be aware of a certain Netflix animated adaptation that was released not so long ago. Aka this one:
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But it will not appear on this list - or rather I will mention it by extension of the original book, which is the one I wanted featured on this list.
Because very simply - the original novel is actually "darker and grimmer" than the series adaptation. Gidwitz's novel and the Netflix series both begin with a a heavy dose of dark humor, creepy slapstick and child-level jokes - but the novel relied on a progression. Tale after tale, with each new chapter in Hansel and Gretel's life, as they grew from children to adulsts, the stories got gloomier and more serious, and the humor became scarse and more cynical. There was really a neat and clear evolution from a "big laughs" goofy-gory show in the first chapters to a teary tragedy/sinister epic in the end. But with the Netflix series? They decided to emphasize the humor and jokes a lot to give the story a truly "cartoony" feeling, and they kept jokes and humor all throughout stories which originally did not have any...
So overall, while everybody called the show "dark", in truth I found it much more light-hearted and kid-friendly than the original novel X) And for this spooky season, I truly advise you go read the ORIGINAL book.
[EDIT: My friend @lapluieellepleut warned me I might have been a bit misleading with this description so I will insist: the original novel is still aimed at kids and pre-teens. Aka... this is a children's novel. This is not an adult read, not even a full teenager one. It is still a simple, sweet, funny story, though with morbid humor and trying to highlight the brutality and darkness of the Brothers Grimm fairytales. But... don't expect a Stephen King novel or a Shakespearian tragedy. Its still a kid tale. If you want something more adult in tone, go look at The Book of Lost Things - "A Tale Dark and Grimm" would be for the age range below The Book of Lost Things.]
If you have read it already, the book had two sequels to form a trilogy. The first one is "In a Glass Grimmly", which is just as good as the original ; and the second sequel (third part of the trilogy) is "The Grimm Conclusion"... Which I did not read. I heard it isn't as good as the others and the quality drops, but I'll give you more info once I actually read it.
Oh, and if you are ever in France or able to read French, do yourself a favor and pick the French edition of this book, aka, this one:
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"The terrifying tale and bloody fate of Hansel and Gretel". On top of having perfectly creepy shadow-puppet silhouettes full page illustrations, it also uses a color-code for the text (mixing night-black and blood-red) similar to what for example The Neverending Story used. Truly emphasizes the creepiness and darkness of the novel - while making it even more obvious the humoristic part and more jarring the jokes.
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an-theduckin · 6 months
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EVERYONE GO WATCH A TALE DARK AND GRIMM ON NETFLIX RIGHT FUCKING NOW!! /NF
ITS LITERALLY SO COOL, IT ONLY HAS LIKE 10 EPISODES THO. I LOVE HOW IT HAS THE CHARM OF AN INNOCENT KIDS FILM WHILE ALSO BEING SUPER DARK. I LOVE LOVE THE NARRATOR BIRDS, AND ESPECIALLY WILLIAM. I LOVE HOW THEY ARENT JUST NARRATING FOR NO PURPOSE, AND THEY ACTUALLY HAVE A BACKSTORY AND A REASON ON WHY THEYRE NARRATING IT (I WONT SPOIL IT THO) ITS LITERALLY SO GOOD BRO LIKE PLEASE WATCH IT I WANNA TALK ABOUT IT WITH SOMEONE PLEASE PLEASE
NOT GONNA CALL OUT ANYONES NAMES CUZ THAT MIGHT MAKE U FEEL FORCED TO WATCH IT BUT. IF YOURE MY MUTUAL, PLWASE I WANNA RAMBLE IT TO U PLEASE I LOVE IT SO MUCH WATCH IT PLEASE
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lynxxjay · 1 month
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me when I'm invested in too much different things that I don't know what to make fanart of first
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mushroomsie224 · 2 months
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Thinking about the time I was watching an animated show like a couple years ago and there was this warlock dude who lured girls into his house and extracted their souls and all I could think was...hot.
The part where he was thrown into a pot of boiling oil was even hotter.
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bardockarts · 2 years
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satan convention, and an airing of grievances
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notthebeststufftbh · 6 months
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Me when the tale dark and grimm is dark and grimm:
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samirafee · 7 months
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#HÄNSEL UND GRETEL by GRIMM‘S TALES - THE GINGERBREAD HOUSE
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artsytj-97 · 1 year
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I feel like no one likes the warlock from A Tale Dark And Grimm… which is fair. Dude is evil. But I can’t help but like him so I drew him to help me move past this.
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best-childhood-book · 8 months
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lapluieellepleut · 5 months
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daughter-of-sapph0 · 1 year
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Fun fact: The “Goosebumps” and “A Tale Dark and Grimm” series of books are written by male Jewish authors
ooh, that's awesome! I knew R. L. Stine was Jewish. but I've never heard of A Tale Dark and Grimm. it seems to be a retelling of Grimm's fables. it even has a Netflix show. I'll have to check it out!
thanks for telling me! I love hearing about artwork or books or shows starting or made by Jewish people!
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adarkrainbow · 5 months
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Masterpost 14: End of autumn
Various fairytale illustrations: Illustrations from "Past Time Books" (part 1 - part 2 - part 3) - Some Hansel and Gretel illustrations - An image d'Epinal (Little Red Riding Hood sequel) - Philippe Jalbert's In the eyes - Some Grimm fairytales illustrations - A 19th century book - Another image d'Epinal (with some Bluebeard talk) - Random wolf anatomy
The Tale of Tales movie analysis: Part 1 - part 2 - part 3 - part 4
French folktales and fairytales: A Snow-White from Corsica - Beanstalks in France? - A question about wishing - A French variation of The Fisherman and his Wife - Little Golden Hood - Mind like an angel - What race meant in Perrault's texts - Fin de siècle fairytales (part 1 - part 2) - An university talk about medievalism in 17th century fairytales (plus addendum) - A discussion about the Drac and affiliated beings - About the French Sleeping Beauty opera - A literary Snow-White
History of fairytale studies: How Bettelheim "saved" fairytales in France (plus a question I was asked about it) - Jack Zipes talk (part 1 - part 2) - Asked about some Aarne Thompson resources - Dickens' Fraud on the Fairies
Ogre illustrations: Caricatures - Advertisement - Little Thumbling (part 2 and part 3)
A Tale Dark and Grimm: An Adam Gidwitz interview - My final opinion about the Netflix series - The beautiful French illustrations - The concept art (part 1 - part 2 ) - The storyboards (part 1 - part 2)
BD reviews: The bad - The good - The okay
Otomo Katsuhiro's Hansel and Gretel: Part 1 - part 2 (plus a dark webcomic)
Other things: LGBT characters in the Fables comic(s) - A possible lost Hansel and Gretel adaptation - A discussion about ogres, orcs and orcas (here) - Pierre Dubois talk (part 1 - part 2 - part 3 - part 4) - It killed me - A Series of Unfortunate Events - What this blog is about
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loveaetingkids · 2 years
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For anyone who watched A Tale Dark & Grimm,here’s some little tibbit for you.
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So you know how in all credits we hear Hansel and Greek singing a lullaby they picked from their mother?
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In the credits after the third episode,where Hans was “killed”,there was only one person who was left singing.
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And what can I say except-ouch.
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