#Ancestral Plane

[risingoftime]

Shuri & Killmonger both surrounded by fire symbolizing their consuming need for vengeance in the ancestral plane.

#screaming crying throwing up #i love them both #erik killmonger #killmonger #mcu universe #mcu black panther #black panther #wakandagifs #wakanda forever spoilers #wakanda forever #shuri #mcu shuri #shuri deserves the world #risingoftime #ancestral plane #ancestors

[originalcarbon78]

Forever 🔥

#black panther wakanda forever #tchalla #shuri #ancestral plane #wakanda forever #wakanda #chadwick boseman #letitia wright #not my art

[griots-tales]

#black panther wakanda forever #wakanda forever spoilers #black panther spoilers #wakanda forever #shuri #killmonger #wakanda forever memes #shuri memes #N'Jadaka #Erik Stevens #ancestral plane

[melishade]

Black Panther Wakanda Forever Headcanon. Spoilers if you haven’t seen the movie.

Erik Killmonger, now that we know he’s in the ancestral plane, must be such a fucking menace to everyone else there.

Erik probably didn’t believe in the afterlife of any kind due to his own trauma. And even if he did, he probably assumed he was going to go to hell for his high kill count. So imagine that after he dies in the first Black Panther, he wakes up in the ancestral plane, wound gone, hair stylish, in fancy new drip, he must be so fucking confused. But then he realizes where he is and decides “Fuck it. Don’t question it. Don’t question a good thing.”

First thing he does is find his dad. N’Jobu probably apologizes profusely for not being there for him and just leaving him alone. Erik probably responds by saying that you were doing the right thing and that he never blamed him for anything. Father and son have a good cry session and hug it out.

The second thing he does is hunt down T’Chaka! Because he was robbed of killing that man in life! He’s going to make that man fear him in death! When Erik no doubt spots him, he points at him, shouts “You!”, and before T’Chaka can react, he tackles him! Takes about ten kings to pry Erik off of the old man. 

Erik doesn’t interact much with the kings after that, but he will bother the absolute shit out of them. He’ll play music as loud as possible, strut around with a Piña colada in hand and sunglasses, make sure to play all of his favorite anime on loop. How’s he getting that kind of service in the afterlife? None of the other kings know how and they hate him for it. N’Jobu will watch with Erik even though he’s a little confused at some of the shows (especially Jojo’s). 

But then T’Challa shows up, and finds out about how much Erik’s been such a menace from his ancestors. He goes to find Erik and...there’s a bit of awkward tension between the two. T’Challa ends up apologizing for his father’s mistake, and his own inactivity and cowardice. Erik replies by...thanking him, for opening up Wakanda to the rest of the world and helping out Oakland. T’Challa is the only royal that Erik is willing to talk to, and even though they have their differences, they get along pretty well. Especially since they’re both dead, no need to really care about politics. They still have their disagreements about how to approach things, but there’s progress.

However, the only one that puts the fear of god in Erik is Ramonda when she gets there. Because she is an African mother, Erik is going to get his ass beat. T’Challa tries to stop it, but one look from Ramonda is enough for T’Challa to back off and wish Erik luck. When she’s done with Erik, he respects the hell out of her and doesn’t bother crossing her again.

#black panther wakanda forever #black panther #bpwf #bpwf spoilers #wakanda forever spoilers #black panther spoilers #black panther wakanda forever spoilers #erik killmonger #t'challa #queen ramonda #t'chaka #n'jobu #anime #anime reference #ancestral plane #mcu

[november-rising]

Re-watching Moon Knight. The world is grounded in Egyptian mythology and history.

Egypt is a country in Africa.

Marc and Steven end up in the Duat. It’s described as a plane of existence in the afterlife.

Wakanda is a (MCU) country in Africa.

T’Challa aka Black Panther is able to experience the Ancestral Plane where souls settle after death.

(I acknowledge that these astral planes have different rules and yet they occur within the same continent.)

Both have powers bestowed upon by ancient forces.

Does T’Challa know about the Moon Knight?

Does Moon Knight (Khonshu, Tawaret…the rest of the Ennead) acknowledge T’Challa?

Like…what?

Crossover?!

#black panther #tchalla #T’Challa #wakanda #wakanda forever #moon knight #marc spector #steven grant #jake lockely #scarlet scarab #layla el faouly #mcu shuri #the dora milaje #africa #astral plane #ancestral plane #duat #but like really do these folks know about each other #I don’t know #don’t yell at me #how great would that crossover be? #like really #think about the implications and I will for days so yeah

[77-fxes]

WF: Reflections of Shuri

In the ancestral plane, Shuri's conversation with Killmonger is easy to flatten out to 'Shuri confronts her grief and desire for vengeance and, momentarily, chooses vengeance.' But as with any Coogler film, I believe that the dialogue between characters is communicating a bit more than that. Furthermore, I think there's some insight into the reading that the ancestral plane is both a physical plane where you meet the spirits of real people and a conversation with one's own subconscious or conscious (I first heard it on NewRockstars)

I think the scene can be separated into three conversations. The first part of the conversation centers on why Shuri took the herb in the first place. At first, she tries to say that she took it to see her family, but Killmonger calls that out and we as the audience already knows that he's right due to her earlier conversation with Ramonda about T'Challa's spirit. So eventually, she drops that and admits that she wants power and doesn't correct her cousin when he suggests it's for revenge. This essentially is the first time that Shuri outright admits her rage, pain, and desire for revenge unreservedly.

The next phase starts with her denying that she's like him, calling him an unworthy king to which he retorts that he and T'Challa did what was needed to open Wakanda up in such a way that they would have protected Riri in the first place. No argument there, but she goes on to blame his burning of the heart-shaped herb for not only T'Challa's death, but in many ways, the predicament that Wakanda finds itself in, which he denies. I feel like as an internal conversation, this is Shuri reconciling the benefits of having opened up Wakanda to the outside world with the dangers, suggesting that she's been more ambivalent about this issue than she's let on.

In the final piece, the conversation turns to the kinds of rulers that her family members were. Ramonda's bravery, T'Chaka's hypocrisy, T'Challa's nobility, and N'Jadika's ruthlesness. This is, to me, the crux of the matter. Having come to grips with her own desire for revenge and the inevitable precariousness of Wakanda's situation in the world in order to do what's right, Shuri is now confronted with the uncomfortable truth of how she feels about her departed family members. All three of these people (maybe even her cousin in a way) are people that she's mourned in what to her is about a two year period (minus the blip). In the glow of mourning, it's comforting to beatify our departed loved ones; it's a way of insulating us from our own feelings of anger, loss, even betrayal of the death of a loved one. But now, each in turn, Shuri is left to confront the fact that even though she loved her mother, father, and brother, she also knew their various strengths and flaws. This can be a painful revelation to accept, the hardest of all probably that deep down, she really does feel like T'Challa was too noble, or at least too short-sighted with his nobility. Moreover, the guilt of finding common ground with Killmonger, not just about the revenge aspect (for a short time), but more pointedly, in the need for ruthless, pragmatic decision-making is jarring. Though for someone so science-minded, someone always looking for the better solution, someone who is not bound by sentimental attachment to tradition, it does make quite a bit of sense. Killmonger was able to do what he did because he had no attachment to the traditions of Wakanda, hated them even. To him, Wakanda was a means to an end, a way to gain power for both personal and political reasons.

To me, this last part is what informs Shuri's approach to taking up the mantle and her eventual truce with Namor. These are matters of practicality. She knows M'Baku is right about the consequences of killing him, both for Wakanda and Talocan, who she knows to just be people living their lives. In that moment, Shuri does show us who she is, a compassionate but ruthlessly pragmatic person. If a truce is what keeps oblivion at bay today, then it's a truce. I don't believe that someone as unsentimental as Shuri believes that this means that Namor is a changed man, nor will it stop her from designing countermeasures to his army after she gets back, or turning her attention to the world and it's desires for vibranium. In these matters, I expect Shuri to take a realistic look at the world, Wakanda's situation, and strike ruthlessly when the time comes for action.

#shuri #wakanda forever #wakanda forever spoilers #killmonger #ancestral plane #pragmatism #revelation

[walled-flwr]

i know that layla is a temporary avatar for taweret but i do hope that they work together again, maybe team up with xialing cause that will be amazing. #MoonKnight #LaylaElFaouly

#moon knight theory #moon knight episode 6 #moon knight finale #layla el faouly #taweret #jake lockley #marc spector #steven grant #khonshu #ammit #arthur harrow #may calamawy #xialing shang chi #oscar isaac #ethan hunt #marvel phase four #mcu phase 4 #ancestral plane #marvel moon knight #oscar isaac hernandez estrada

[aintinacage]

The difference a little bit of time can make!

#marvel #mcu #marvel gif #black panther #tchalla #chadwick boseman #tchaka #king tchaka #John kani #ancestral plane #tchalla father #astral plane #tchalla x tchaka

[lucentoakstudios]

Recast T’Challa!

#recast t'challa #black panther #wakanda #wakanda forever #chadwick #chadwick boseman #t'challa #Lucent Oak Studios #black panthers #H Rap Brown #Marvel Comics #MCU #marvel cinematic universe #ancestral plane #marvel

[xanderxciv]

#RIP Chadwick Boseman #Black Panther #T Challa #Shuri #MCU #Redraw #Old VS New Art #tribute #art improvement #Black Panther 2 #Wakanda Forever #digital art #art #fyp #MCU Phase 4 #Ancestral Plane #black art #We Gon Be Alright #Passing The Torch

[cinamun]

Previously.... | Next

#ts4 #indya #black simblr #the ancestral plane #indya is a certified fool and y'all know this #lmfaooooooooooo #sims spice #i'm sorry #spice district? idk #sims 4 story #ts4 story #simblr #ch21

[extraordinary-heroes]

BLACK PANTHER VS DEADPOOL #5 (COVER ART BY RYAN BENJAMIN & RAIN BEREDO)

#black panther #ryan benjamin #deadpool #marvel #comics #rain beredo #textless cover art #superheroes #the ancestral plane #artwork #illustration

[merevide]

people who wanted (and still want) killmonger to somehow return and be black panther instead of just accepting the possibly and fact that it was going to be shuri were so goofy i’m sorry

#like did y’all not watch. the first movie. #he’s an interesting and well written villain but there’s no way they’d let him lead after that and rightfully so #like what made him a villain wasn’t even just the fact that he killed t’challa #the fact that he was consumed with vengeance overrides all the good points that he made #also he ruled wakanda like a dictator and thought about constant world domination #plus why would he come back from the dead. he chose to die in his final moments instead of spending the rest of his life in jail #and even in the ancestral plane he still hadn’t changed even goading on shuri for vengeance and bloodshed (which is what she was feeling in #the moment. but killmonger was a shadow of way she could become and served as a way in her character development) #but yeah tldr shuri deserves the mantle and she’s gonna keep the mantle until further notice stop bringing up how killmonger would be better #because that is a lie #black panther #wakanda forever #erik killmonger #n’jadaka #shuri #shuri udaku #micheal jordan #letitia wright

[griots-tales]

T'Challa and T'Chaka in the ancestral Ancestral Plane (Part 1)

#T'Challa #T'Chaka #Black Panther #black panther #Black Panther 2018 #ancestral plane #ancestral realm #crying #father-son #black panther fic #Black Panther Fanfic

[ofkingmakers]

It felt odd to be more spirit than man, just for a few minutes. He knew that the end that he had tried to avoid for the last one thousand years was finally upon him and there was no way that he was leaving this warehouse with his life. Fallon had heard of something that Freya had managed to do for her siblings in the not too distant future, a method of souls being able to converse and see each other without having to be physically near each other and he had asked her to allow him the chance to speak to a few people in case the worst was upon him. It was a kindness that he hadn’t expected and he planned to take full advantage. He smiled when his companion appeared, eyes full of fear and longing and despair all at once. “Hello, love.” 

@sanguishqsstarters​

#sanguishqs.start #listen this was the best i got #weird ancestral plane thing #if you wanna say bye to luci!!!!

[77-fxes]

The Chaos Funnel

The last act of Wakanda Forever is chaotic. It didn't really hit me until I kept hearing people question a lot of decisions in the third act, particularly the field of battle. I've seen a lot of reactors point out that meeting the Talokanils in the middle of the ocean definitely puts the Wakandans at a disadvantage. While this is true, I'd also argue that, particularly on short notice, it was the only real way to engage Namor in a fight that didn't include his entire army invading an already devastated Wakanda (but that's for another post).

But the more I thought about it, the more I began to see how the chaos of that battle, the risks taken, the assumptions made, the plans reversed, all have their origin in the emotional chaos that started with Shuri's visit to the Ancestral Plane.

Here she meets Killmonger where she initially expected to meet her mother or maybe her brother, or more honestly, she didn't expect to meet anyone. Taking the heart-shaped herb was never about having an emotional experience after all. As Shuri admitted, it was always about power, and even then, she couldn't really admit what she wanted the power for. In having to admit that she desired revenge, Shuri was also forced to confront the series of strong and often conflicting emotions that accompany grief. In her conversation with Killmonger, Shuri was forced to confront her own feelings of revenge, her difficult feelings about her father's hypocrisy, her mother's selfless sacrifice, and her brother's nobility, her cousin's selfishness. and her anger at how those qualities landed her and Wakanda in the place they're in now. She loved these people and grieves them, but also, has an understandable anger directed towards them.

'It's not supposed to be this way' you can almost hear her say. Shuri doesn't strike me as a person who enjoys having these emotions, someone who's self-concept of herself is that of a helper, a positive, selfless, understanding person who loves her family and country very much. The kind of person who would fight against tyrants like Thanos and save broken white boys who wind up on her operating table.

Grief robs us of such a one-dimensional and rosy self-concept. Grief often involves feelings of anger, of being robbed of a loved one, of both missing someone and hating them at the same time, among other feelings. In the Teen Vogue article on the portrayal of grief in the movie, the columnist Stitch praises the film's open and non-judgmental portrayal of a young black woman's anger in the midst of grief, writing “Seeing Black women allowed to be openly and rightfully angry is so refreshing to me. Shuri's rage and thirst for vengeance in the face of feeling helpless after her brother's death and the murder of her mother was beyond cathartic,” Nia Shumake also highlighted how grief changes your everyday life, highlighting the ways in which each of the four leads attempted to deal with the loss of T'Challa throughout the movie, highlighting Shuri's workaholic tendencies. In my own experience of grief, I've found that the chaos of grief is the most difficult thing to come to grips with. As a person who often prides himself on a high degree of emotional intelligence and a member of the helping profession, I don't like feeling out of control, and I suspect that Shuri--a scientist who values reason and practicality for the greater good--is similarly foxed by such emotions.

It's the chaos of grief that she has been avoiding in her lab, that she's been avoiding in any interaction with her brother's memory or any spiritual journey with it. And it is this emotional chaos that is unavoidable on the Ancestral Plane. Once it is unleashed, Shuri is completely unable to deal with it. From her emotional outburst after taking the herb to her lashing out a M'Baku and into the final battle, Shuri is angry, reckless, selfish, short-sighted, rash. And she should be all of those things! This is a person dealing with unimaginable and chaotic grief. One of my pet peeves with the way that superhero films are sometimes approached is that characters should have the same emotional distance that we do. And so it's easy to say, 'they should have gotten over it,' or 'someone should have made better decisions, or thought more clearly.'

Wakanda Forever eschews that by showing a risky, but not horrible plan formulated under difficult circumstances by what is essentially an absolute monarch. The plan is bad, but no one outside of M'Baku and Nakia would say so, and it's clear that Shuri isn't listening. Thus the chaos extends to the battle where excellent soldiers almost pull off a daring plan, but have no plan B and subsequently find themselves in trouble. A daughter in grief having trapped her quarry in a perfect trap but underestimated how strong that quarry still is. A combatant fighting a more experienced fighter and having to eventually remember her own sense of savvy and strategy to get the upper hand, and finally, the choice between what seems like an emotionally satisfying death strike or a more rational and practical mercy. In this moment, Shuri's understanding of the similarities between herself and Namor, Wakanda and Talokan, followed by a reminder that acting on this information amidst the emotional chaos is the most authentic and cathartic solution saves the day. In a sense, Shuri finds herself within the chaos of grief and acts as she really wants to. This doesn't mean that the chaos has ended, just that she's found some bearings within it.

And isn't that just how grief is? For me, the chaos was years of drinking and self-destruction after my father passed, and getting my bearings took the form of seeking sobriety. For others, it's months spent sitting on the couch in a depressive haze until something new comes along that drags you back out. Still for others, it's isolation, blame, anger at the world. The chaos can take a number of forms. But as Shuri learns in the movie, the chaos of grief can never be fully avoided.

#wakanda forver spoilers #wakanda forever #spoilers #wakanda forever shuri #shur #killmonger #ancestral plane #grief