#Andrew Dabb

[chaoticwistfulness]

#spn s16 #spn revival #spn poll #spn #jensen ackles #jackles #eric kripke #robbie thompson #jeremy carver #sera gamble #andrew dabb #robert singer

[insanesonofabitch]

You know, as a (kind of) new fan, I barely know shit about the full spn experience of watching shit unfold in real time—which obviously took years. When I was scrolling through Nov 5th tag, destielgate and all that, I found a fairly huge amount of people shitting on Andrew Dabb, especially for writing the finale. And I got curious about this infamous writer guy, like what else did he write?

Then I went to Google and saw that he wrote What’s Up Tiger Mommy. Then Hunteri Heroici. Clip Show. Road Trip. Bloodlines??? Stairway to Heaven?????? The Things We Left Behind????????

The Prisoner???????????

All Along The Watchtower?????????????

Lost & Found??????????????????

Like obviously, none of these episodes are perfect. But these includes HUGE destiel scenes—like pivotal moments that greatly affects the relationship and it’s development and how the audience view it. And so much of these are obviously, blatantly romantic. As explicit as it can be. Like the direct canon couple parallels? At least THREE times? You’re telling me this man is responsible for The Lovers Quarrel ft. Suffering Sam in season 8? “I’ll watch over you”? The Dean/Cas - David/Violet parallel???? Cas’ deleted personal heaven???? “Don’t lose it over one man”????? Cas giving up his Angel army for one guy?????? The Dinner Date?????? The Sam/Jess - Dean/Cas - Claire/Kaia parallel??????? The climax of Cain/Colette - Dean/Cas Mark of Cain plot line??????? “You know, I always thought I could be a good dancer if I wanted to be”???????? The PURGATORY REUNION?????????? The start of THE FUCKING WIDOWER ARC?????????????

The Fucking. Widower. Arc. The stark contrast between that and Cas being barely mentioned in 15x19 and 15x20???????? Listen—and I’m just spitballing here—but what if this guy isn’t the fucking problem. You cannot convince me that someone who wrote all that, who contributed to all that, does not fucking see it…

…oh my fucking god. What the fuck were in those omitted scenes?

#note that ​I don’t know what this guy has said in the past maybe he’s said some bullshit but like. actions are louder than words or whatever #just look at these fucking episodes man. these scenes. I literally did NOT expect his episode line up to be so full of destiel. #I just— I have so many fucking questions. #supernatural #spn #spn scripts #spn finale #spn finale fuckery #spn gate #spngate #spn meta #destielgate #destiel meta #destiel #deancas #casdean #dean winchester #castiel #dean x castiel #andrew dabb #dabbnatural #reiotalks

[i-isa-i]

I think it’s so interesting how much authority is awarded “the author” in different fandoms. You always here people scream “Death of the Author” but still hold up authorship as an authoritative concept.

Like, when Buffy had bad storylines the consensus was something like ‘trust Joss Whedon” who btw turned out to be a horrible person.

Similarly, Kripke was kind of deified by the fandom (and also kind of by the show) during early seasons spn.

Even disclaimers on fanfics show this dynamic. Why did we write stuff like ‘these characters belong to JKR’?!? Like no shit, I didn’t create Sirius Black but the character still doesn’t belong to that woman?

It’s so interesting to look at the stark difference between gomens and spn fan discourse at the moment. I’m not saying one way is the right way, just that the dynamics are interesting.

Neil says something and most people respect it, some even see it as their duty to act as his apostle and spread his word. People are in his asks to try and get his opinion on certain fan theory bc they consider him the ultimate authority over canon.

And then you have spn fans, especially destiel fans. Not only do they not care what kripke/ dabb or most of the show runners say, they actively oppose the “authors”’ perceived interpretations of the characters and routinely make fun of them. Dabb says he wrote a finale that is only meant to satisfy 30% of the fans and the rest of the fandom decides to strike it from canon and collectively produce enough fix-it fic to fill a library.

Can you imagine what would have happened if Dabb or Kripke or whoever had asked the fandom to keep a spoiler or leak like the gomens one a secret?!? It would have become a meme in 5 seconds and it would have trended above a historic election.

#Fandom meta #fandom culture #spn #gomens #death of the author #supernatural #destiel #fanfic and authorship #neil gaiman #andrew dabb #eric kripke #buffy #i do not support jkr #gomens s2 #gomens leak #good omens #good omens discourse

[themanwhowouldbefruit]

theyre going tohave to bury andrew dabb in a lead casket like marie curie

#andrew dabb #dabb era

[coupleofdays]

Hey there, Tron fans! Do you want yet another piece of cancelled Tron media to feel miserable about, since we most likely never will be able to see it finished? Then look no further than the planned 2004 Tron 2.0 comic!

The Tron 2.0 Wiki has a comprehensive summary of everything we know about the comic, and there's also this archived interview with the creators. What we know is certainly tantalizing. It seems to have been intended to be a sequel to the game, with a superheroic tone, with Jet Bradley jumping between being an ordinary human in the Real World and a colorful, superpowered protector of the digital world. Mercury would of course be his partner/sidekick, but what's especially interesting is the descriptions of two entirely new characters: A "digital viking" named Tek, and Odorus, who can apparently track Programs with his sense of smell (wait, computers programs have a sense of smell? How does that work? What does that represent?). The plot on the first planned miniseries (named "Derezzed") apparently revolved around these characters solving a murder mystery.

Sadly, the comic was never published, though we did get some cool cover images, including this one that appears to depict some new villains:

Some sketches for pages have also surfaced (they're all available on the Wiki page linked above), and I believe that one of them might actually show the "viking" character, in the lower right corner:

Another page has Jet and Mercury talking to an unknown character. Could they be Odorus? Or perhaps the murder victim?

Another intriguing thing is that there were apparently also plans for a story about the characters from the original film. This sketch page might be for that comic, or maybe a flashback sequence in the 2.0 comic:

Of course, we did eventually get a comic sequel to Tron 2.0 in the form of Tron: The Ghost in the Machine, but that was certainly something very different from the cancelled comic.

#Tron #Tron 2.0 #comics #cancelled media #Andrew Dabb #Gabe Bridwell #Serge LaPointe #Chuck Gibson #Tek #Odorus

[ananke-xiii]

"Peace of Mind" is one of my fave SPN episodes ever. I love how it pays homage to "Goodbye Stranger" in a fun, yet respectful way. This time is Cas who manages to "break the connection" and Sam "snaps out of it". Also, "God has a beard" probably one of my fave SPN quotes as well, lol.

Eta: oooooh actually Sam and Cas fight scene reminds me of "The Prisoner" as well! Sooo good! Such a good mash-up! I really needed more Sam and Cas screentime :(

#supernatural #Spn season 14 #S14e19 #peace of mind #Castiel #Sam Winchester #Crypt scene homage #Spn #steve yockey #robbie thompson #S8e17 #goodbye stranger #God has a beard #spn rewatch #The prisoner #S10e22 #andrew dabb

[musingsofanunorgainizedmind]

Eric Kripke- The Homoerotic Tension Era of Destiel

Sera Gamble & Jeremy Carver: The Queerbaiting Era of Destiel

Andrew Dabb: The Queercoding Era of Destiel

#supernatural #spn #destiel #dean winchester #castiel #eric kripke #sera gamble #jeremy carver #andrew dabb

[torturedpoetemotions]

Creators who queerbait and kill off beloved characters purely for shock value always talk like they think they're writing something revolutionary when in reality they're doing the writing equivalent of a 12yo boy saying he likes you only to mock you for ever thinking he could be serious.

#sera gamble #andrew dabb #paul simms #david benioff #db weiss #mark gatiss #stephen moffat #tag the writers you'd fight in a parking lot

[deancoded-deangirl]

#what I mean is… yeah #supernatural #spn #Andrew Dabb #Jensen ackles #jared padalecki #misha collins #Dean Winchester #Sam winchester #castiel #Cas #spn polls #my polls

[mlobsters]

supernatural s14e1 stranger in a strange land (w. andrew dabb)

pre-ep recap being ac/dc shot down in flames much better fit than metallica's nothing else matters from 13x01 vibe-wise and matching the pace of the clips. good job, guys. and smooth segue to it being on in the car

s14e1 / the matrix

wtf jackles, what is this speaking voice/cadence. reminds me of keanu reeves?? usually when i make really out there sound associations, i'm a little high. but that is not the case today. he's acting more like an agent than neo, but getting the keanu vibes :p i can't think of what movie specifically i'm thinking of. the devil's advocate and constantine are the other two keanu movies i've seen a bunch, but i dunno

never good when i'm pulling a clip in the first few minutes 🥴 gonna be a 2-3 day watch i'm guessing.

also don't really understand the styling choices. i get that it helps make a big visual difference between michael and dean, but like. dude wasn't dressing like this old timey fancy man with a flat cap in the au world. is this 20s-ish? never seen peaky blinders but this seems kinda similar? reading about collar pins and bars now. lol

is this the grief beard i've heard about. well maintained, if so

MARY Sam, we’re gonna find him. Ketch is working that thing in London. Castiel is in Detroit. I know it’s been three weeks since Dean… Something will break. It has to. SAM Yeah. Yeah, you keep saying that.

so like why does sam need to be in charge and involved in this vampire thing with this bunker full of people? they were fully self organized and fighting before they came here. even if sam is de facto leader for whatever reason; delegate, my guy. no help to anyone if you're not sleeping. call jody in, i bet she could talk some sense into him. also vaguely funny that we're all Team Family Go! but the family i connect with the most for them is jody and her girls

CASTIEL Does any demon know where Dean Winchester is? KIPLING I’m sorry, did you just say you lost a Winchester? Because, one -- that’s… interesting. And, two, how is that you lost Dean? I thought the two of you were joined at the… [Kipling glances down in a suggestive way.] …you know, everything.

in a way i wish i could have watched this without any knowledge of fandom because my knee jerk response is, ew. because i just don't see anything between dean and cas, i have a hard time grasping they're even close, i've just tried to accept it because the show tells us all the time. but maybe i could have come around to it more if i didn't know about the screaming zeitgeist that is destiel. or maybe i'd have the same reaction, i don't know. but anyway perpetually disgruntled knowing that my reaction is always colored somewhat due to fandom. i try to watch objectively but i know my feelings on things outside the show color my feelings of stuff inside the show

oh, cas. what have you gotten yourself into this time.

mmmk

SISTER JO Why would he say “yes” to you? MICHAEL Love.

short and sweet

man i know jackles is trying to do something different but i do not enjoy the way he's speaking as michael. ok now i'm getting umm. brad pitt in interview with the vampire?? like when he's talking to what's his face. for the interview. lol. christian slater! kind of slow, flat fairly emotionless narration.

um. how in the world is nick's soul in his vessel? didn't crowley remake it or whatever? or did he not die at any point in the ... 7 years intervening between lucifer dumping him in s5 and getting popped back in during s12

from 12x13 CROWLEY I managed to pervert that spell. So your essence wasn't sent back to the cage, but instead, we found your discarded vessel a few years ago… repaired it, improved it, making it a fitting final home for the real you.

whatever, man. nothing makes sense to me anymore. also thinking about jimmy novak called being possessed by castiel like "being chained to a comet" - for all those years

NICK Ow. I don't get it. I don't understand how Lucifer could die and I could live. SAM Yeah, um… I think that maybe it's because the archangel blades were made to kill the archangel inside a-and not the person they, uh -- NICK Possesses and uses to almost end the world twice?

sure. SURE. that makes sense. not at all how anything else ever works on this show, but sure! i mean, i love mark pellegrino too but come on, guys.

SAM Stop saying that, please. MARY What? SAM “It's gonna be fine,” that everything's gonna be fine, we're gonna find Dean, and -- MARY We are. SAM You don't know that. Dean's gone, and we have no idea where he is or -- or if he's even still alive. You know, Michael could have… burned him out or… worse, and… MARY I know. I know he's out there, scared and alone. I know. I know he might never come back. Never think I don't know that. But -- I can't -- I have to think about the good, Sam, because, if I don't, I will drown in the bad. For Dean's sake, I can't do that. We can't do that.

that's fine and reasonable but it's also reasonable that sam doesn't want to hear a baseless placation.

jack getting a grandpa bobby now too apparently

completely zoning out on this demon monologuing. why did they bring the girl along who isn't a hunter. what happened to the devil's trap bullets? and couldn't they make the bullets made out of the angel blades they had on the au world? because with all the dead angels they surely must have a stockpile. wouldn't get this several minute action sequence with fake tension though so

SAM Enough! There will be no new King of Hell. Not today. Not ever. And if anybody wants the job, you can come through me. Understood? (breathing heavily) So, what's it gonna be?

lol okay

SAM It's the -- It's the magic egg that kicked Lucifer out of the President. I thought we could use it on Michael, but -- Ketch can't find it. So, that's another dead end, which is just awesome.

i'm glad the show remembered because i completely forgot about that thing. thanks for preemptively ruling it out

CASTIEL Sam, are you all right? SAM Yeah, I've been better. I've been worse. You? CASTIEL I'm -- I'm just sorry. I should never have gone to those demons. SAM Cass, I -- No, I-I-I don't blame you. I… Honestly, I-I wish I'd have thought of it first. If it meant finding Dean, I-I'd work with -- I'd do anything.

❤️ take what i can get. (still need to sleep, sammy)

MICHAEL Now, you -- you know exactly what you want. You don't pretend to want to help people or save the world. Your want is pure and simple and clean. And that's why you are worth saving. That's why we are going to work so well together. Because you -- you just want to eat.

LOL what. michael loves vampires!

!! omg lol i just reread my 13x23 with my whole "can't kill michael now that he's wearing dean" is that the whole reason we get pellegrino back as nick, so we can find out that archangel blades don't kill the vessel?? 😂

#supernatural #spnwatch #spn 14x01 #spnwhinge #spn clip #andrew dabb

[ipromiseimlying-blog1]

i need this comment on my fic tattooed on my forehead. what an honor. suck it dabb.

btw the fic is "The Soul Burns Brighter Than The Sun" on ao3 ;)

#destiel #destiel fanfic #ao3 #supernatural #ao3 fanfic #spn finale #andrew dabb #november fifth

[jensensitive]

with as much as the pr for the show was always about "sam and dean's" relationship with cas, as opposed to dean and cas's it's almost comical when it's not.

(source)

#the subtext being like sam is fine though lmao #he might be able to forget about that but dean can't!! #s13 #andrew dabb

[soullessjack]

oh my god does anyone know where this quote came from I truly need to know every detail that man had in his brain when he made jack

#please Mr dabb please let me know more about your little guy please please #cal.txt #spn #supernatural #jack kline #andrew dabb #spn writers #fandom wiki

[sui-sleepingcatk2y]

"when you’re in a world with Chuck and Sam, both of whom are God-like in their own ways"

Andrew Dabb

#spn #sam winchester #chuck #andrew dabb #quotes #spn s15 #season15 #sui

[shinelikethunder]

siege: wrote 4x07 it's the great pumpkin, sam winchester (with eric kripke), 4x12 criss angel is a douchebag, 4x18 the monster at the end of this book, 5x05 fallen idols, 5x12 swap meat, 5x17 99 problems

dabb & loflin: wrote 4x06 yellow fever, 4x13 after school special, 4x19 jump the shark, 5x06 i believe the children are our future, 5x11 sam interrupted, 5x16 dark side of the moon, 5x19 hammer of the gods, 6x04 weekend at bobby's, 6x07 family matters, 6x13 unforgiven, 6x18 frontierland, 7x03 the girl next door, 7x08 season seven time for a wedding, 7x14 plucky pennywhistle's magic menagerie, 7x22 there will be blood, 8x02 what's up, tiger mommy?

glass: wrote 6x02 two and a half men, 6x08 all dogs go to heaven, 6x12 like a virgin, 6x19 mommy dearest, 7x04 defending your life, 7x11 adventures in babysitting, 7x18 party on, garth, 8x06 southern comfort, 8x12 as time goes by, 8x18 freaks and geeks, 9x12 sharp teeth, 9x17 mother's little helper, 10x04 paper moon, 10x12 about a boy

charmelo & snyder: wrote 6x06 you can't handle the truth, 6x14 mannequin 3: the reckoning, 6x17 my heart will go on, 9x05 dog dean afternoon, 9x13 the purge, 10x06 ask jeeves, 10x13 halt & catch fire, 11x07 plush, 11x13 love hurts

matthews: wrote 6x05 live free or twi-hard, 6x10 caged heat, 6x16 and then there were none

#yes loflin wrote two solo eps and dabb wrote 29 and became s12-15 showrunner but i'm exercising prosecutorial discretion on the charges here #supernatural #julie siege #andrew dabb #daniel loflin #adam glass #eric charmelo #nicole snyder #brett matthews

[lillysilverus]

"Then it all got scrapped apparently because of the shake up behind the scenes"/ I hadn't heard this before. What was going on behind the scenes?

So I'm not sure of the exact details and maybe somebody else can jump in about it. But my understanding was that Jeremy Carver was leaving for another show before season 11 was over with so Andrew Dabb came on at the end. I seem to recall Jensen saying something at a con about all of them sort of collaborating or something to that effect on the last few episodes because of the shake up.

Here’s a quote from Alice Jester’s review of “Alpha and Omega” on the Winchester Family Business:

Wasted Opportunities. That’s my two word review for season 11.  It’s hard not to be bitter.  I understand that the circumstances behind the scenes weren’t good this year.  The Darkness was Jeremy Carver’s idea and then he bailed for “Frequency” before the season was finished.  At some point Andrew Dabb and his writing team realized they had something way too ambitious and not grounded in reality.  At what point that is I don’t know, but Robbie Thompson certainly gave us his all in “Don’t Call Me Shurley” before he left too.  It’s almost like he was trying to prove to the other writers that this plot could be done.  It looks like though the final four holding the bag, Brad Buckner, Eugenie Ross-Leming, Robert Berens, and Andrew Dabb, decided the best way out was to cut their losses and start over.  

Sure, God and Amara settling their differences and smoking away together sounds logical, but for the loyal viewer who has been heavily invested in this show for a number of years, this hurts.  Why didn’t they run further with all those little nuggets that were introduced throughout the season?  What happened to The Hand of God, Billie the Reaper and her talk of the Empty, the whole theme of purification and redemption, Sam’s visions and rekindled faith, Dean and Amara destined to be bonded forever, the whole season of the train whistles in the background, bringing back Lucifer and Metatron for their shot at redemption and…wait for it…THE RETURN OF THE AMULET.  Something of such deep meaning to the fans and the remaining writers decided to trash it, again.  They didn’t even acknowledge that it  ever happened.  For shame writers, for shame.  

#spn season 11 #Jeremy Carver #Andrew Dabb #Robert Berens