#Angry girl trope

[s2pdoktopus]

I just did this to show an aged up character design of the precious child to be honest.

#why you might ask? i dunno. sometimes i make things complicated for myself I guess. #i'm too lazy to find my of shitty comics thread featuring the child™ so here #if theres a ranking for young mistresses in jianghu. jiang cheng would be conflicted about being happy that his darling girl made it #or angry that teen aged boys ogled at his child. #i also honestly just gave jiang cheng a daughter 'cause I wanted to populate the female species in mdzs. #i didn't think I could use it with the overprotective dad trope but here we are. #jiang cheng #wei wuxian #an oc

[lakesbian]

was doing a bit of Thinkin about bakuda due to my worm reread liveblog. she is very much a stereotypical fiery asian woman with blue eyes--shitty mundanely racist caricature alongside savage-yet-honorable lung--but it feels like there's just enough meat there that it's easy to imagine what bakuda could be if worm was really really good instead of just really good. which is why i was sitting in the shower for 10 minutes rotating her in my mind.

this little background detail:

Armsmaster nodded, “Not surprising. She’s new. What we know about her is limited. She made her first appearance and demonstration of her powers by way of a drawn out terrorism campaign against Cornell University. Lung apparently recruited her and brought her to Brockton Bay after her plans were foiled by the New York Protectorate. This is… something of a concern.”

combined with what her powers imply about her could have some genuinely interesting implications. i'm getting into "imagine if this part of worm was better" mode here & not "analyzing what's actually explicitly in the text" mode because what's in the text is very shallow but you can dig something out of that.

she has a tinker power, and tinker powers are powers that result from traumatic rock-bottom events the person with the power saw coming from a mile away--the type of thing you desperately try to build yourself an out for, but find yourself inevitably, horrendously railroaded into anyway, to the point where it would take a miracle to escape from. and that's what the resultant power is--the type of miracle you were hoping for, coming far too late to solve your problem, and fantastically extreme in its ability to solve the sort of problem you were dealing with without actually solving any of your underlying behaviors which led you to that problem in the first place.

and what, precisely, is her tinker power? Exploding Shit Real Good. she very much comes off as the literal version of finding yourself in the midst of a shitty institution, one stacked against you, one expecting you to break yourself to succeed in it, and thinking "damn i kinda wish this entire building would explode rn." it's very easy to imagine her being the type of person some would call passionate and some would say needs to calm the fuck down, very intelligent but swamped by university's increasingly difficult barriers to success and fiscal safety, perhaps expected by society as a whole to serve as the model asian woman in a deeply racist environment--smart, hardworking, successful, and still subservient. you know, all the type of shit that would have someone going Damn I Wish This Building Would Explode And We All Die in their head every time they attend college. i've seen it put forward before that she triggered after just. abruptly failing/being locked out of something academic despite all her effort, and that's what i can envision for her: struggling to keep her head above water, knowing that she's failing to meet expectations, knowing that she's eventually not going to be able to scrape by, socially or academically. her head goes under, so to speak, everything she's been working towards is fucked despite all the effort she put in, and--having always been the type of person to explode when something that unfair or awful feeling happens--she triggers, and literally explodes. proving to the university that she's talented, she's good at something, she's got something to be proud about no matter what anyone says--and if the system won't let her have anything after all the time she spent breaking herself to fit into it, then fuck the system, she hopes it explodes.

so. thats my 2 cents on bakuda but if she was more interesting. hopefully that makes sense 👍

#parahumans #worm #wormtime 2 #wormtime 2 arc 1 #bakuda #i think she deserves to be allowed to be nomral person amounts of angry for understandable reasons #instead of just like. fiery asian girl trope #also can she have brown eyes. please #im not saying please im not asking. brown eyes

[imsaanvikhanna]

poll

how many of you, if someone were to spit in your face, would break that person's fucking jaw?

#tw bullying #tw physical bullying #ig #for writing purposes #im writing once some girl spat in my mc's face and the mc broke her jaw #i just dont wanna make it a stereotypical sTroNg fEmaLe cHarcatEr trope #it's not like shes very good at fighting or anything #she feels useless a lot in fact #just she was angry at getting disrespected so she hit back

[kindaorangey]

you know i dont think i will ever leave miraculous purely because it's the only show that consistently remedies its red flags

#ml #like you remember in shadowhunters when malec have that awkward lead into a sex scene #and a bunch of people pointed out that consent isnt rly established in that scene #and then next season they had a flashback where they showed what happened immediately after the scene cut off to show consent *being* #established #like that sort of ability to look back on previous episodes and build on it productively. but constantly #adrien is the biggest example of this bc his s1 self is awful #chloe is the second biggest example of this bc it looks like theyre gonna do the bully redemption trope initially but then they dont #n another major example is the love triangle stuff. with luka and kagami being sources of jealousy but also getting enough agency #that they get to be angry when mari and adrien are messing them around #and they avoid the 'girls fight over a guy' trope and vice versa #like. 🤷🏼‍♂️ #idk what else to say #theyre not the best writers by any means but while other writers dig themselves into holes these writers dig themselves out #so i rate them

[animationismycomfort]

I know some people gonna hate me for this but

✨unpopular opinion time✨

leave if you worship the barbie movies cause I’m about to say some sh-t about one

the princess and the pauper is bad

even stories inspired by it are bad

and I don’t mean in the story or movie is bad

I mean the trope

the trope is god awful

because we have two individuals right

one is poor and hardworking and tries their best to live their life even when it’s hard

the other is a princess/prince that does nothing but read books dance in their castle and sing about how hard their life is and maybe goof around sometimes

like I don’t doubt being royalty is hard because I’m sure it is

but they never show it like they have them say they just wanna be a normal person and have just one day to be

but you never show why!

so how can I sympathize with this seemingly whiny person who looks like they’re complaining about being privileged

this is where the saying show don’t tell would be great

show how much they struggles with their royal duties

show how miserable they are not being able to be themselves

show how exhausted and stressed they are being royalty

then maybe I’ll sympathize with them

but no instead we get this whiny person who complains about not being like the standard royalty

and then we have the pauper

this poor person who’s just trying to get by

who probably barely has enough money to treat themselves to anything

who works day in and day out for barely enough

who struggles probably everyday

and yet still has a smile on their face

and then this weirdo comes around like we’re kinda similar aren’t we…..let’s trade🤪

like that is the weirdest conversation to ever have

like I don’t blame the pauper for wanting to be royalty if I was poor person I’d take that opportunity too

do you know how much power and privileges theyd get by faking being the princess/prince

like it’s genius

and the princess……who just ruins their whole life cause they don’t know what the f-ck they’re doing because oh yea THEYRE A ROYAL PERSON WHO HAS NEVER HAD TO WORK IN THEIR ENTIRE LIFE

but when your older you realize how selfish and childish the royal is for giving away something that people fight and wish to have and you realize how desperate the pauper must be to accept an offer like that so easily and how easily they could be killed/locked up if found out

idk I think I just hate this trope cause it doesn’t make any sense

feel free to argue with me if ya want

idc

#princess and the pauper #Barbie movies #rant #hate #a bit #bad trope #my stuffy stuff #idk I just privileged people in movies who act like their life is so hard when it’s the most mundane things that they’re forced to do #makes me uncomfortable isn’t he worst way #like at least #barbie and the magic of pegasus #did it right #thank god #but most movies like that do it so horribly that I can’t help but be angry #the not like other girls because I read energy hurts me physically #help

[bestworstcase]

do you think there's anything to be implied about the quality of rwby's writing and framing in light of how much of the audience misinterprets salem/oz and the role of the gods? i see so many people reading the lost fable as a straightforward condemnation of salem and ozma as a pretty basic tragic hero that it makes me nervous about the future of the show and that IM reading too much into things when i see more nuance in salem. are that many people really that shallow when engaging with rwby? idk

nah people are—well tbh i think what it comes down to mainly is that fandom is not really centered around critical analysis, it’s centered on transformative engagement, and while these are by no means mutually exclusive endeavors they are in fact. Different. analytical vs transformative approaches to the text are different endeavors with different goals requiring different skillsets and can but do not inherently overlap. frankly in fandom spaces i think real textual analysis is not just ancillary but actively discouraged; nobody is quicker to respond to analytical discussions with “it’s not that deep” than a fan who doesn’t like the discussion and there is a noticeable tendency in fandom spaces for any analysis that isn’t 100% ebullient to be read as negativity or critical—e.g. note the frequency with which my reading of ozma is interpreted as character bashing—which isn’t to say that fandoms do not engage analytically at all, but in broad terms there is something of an unspoken… chilliness toward textual analysis in fandom culture. and i am saying this from the perspective of having written a lot of textual analysis and a lot of fanfiction across different fandoms; there is A Pattern. you write a detailed analytical breakdown of your reading of a character and see people tagging it fandom negativity while gushing about the detailed character study you wrote based on that same reading enough times and you start to pick up on the fact that maybe fandoms are not really built for analytical engagement. there is also the whole thing where fandom has an entire category of headcanon predicated on “this thing happened in the text but i don’t like it so no it didn’t” and a second entire category predicated on “this has no basis and is possibly out of character but i like it so happened actually” lmao [TO BE CLEAR THIS IS NOT A VALUE JUDGMENT I HAVE NONSENSE HEADCANONS ALSO ITS FINE.]

anyway this is all fine but! because fandoms devote the bulk of their collective energy into pouring out vast endless streams of like, fanfic and fanart and headcanon and “ship dynamics” [i still do not quite understand what these are] and incorrect quote mills and so forth you tend to get a sort of collective flattening of the text. there is a tendency for characters to be stripped down and reduced to small easily-manageable sets of tropes derived more from aesthetics and first impressions and for any moral complexity to be boiled down to simple black and white and for unique worldbuilding to be smudged a bit until it resembles its nearest recognizable trope. there is a sort of creative entropy. a smooth surface is easier to write on. also sometimes fans do not Obsessively Rewatch The Show four times in the space of a year and over time details get memetically blurred and this, obviously, is detrimental to the overall fidelity-to-canon of popular fanon.

and then like the thing to remember about rwby is it’s a very detail-oriented story, and one that respects its audience. the one downside of that storytelling approach is that fandom is uniquely ill-equipped for it (think about how many people Completely Missed that ironwood was on the express train to fascism land in V4-5 even though. the narrative made it like. hilariously obvious)

In Summary i lived through the fandom where the protagonist after two years of increasingly toxic behavior towards her bestie, charbroiled her friend’s arm into a shriveled blackened husk and not only did not apologize but had a whole episode about being mad at the friend for being upset and then 95% of the fandom was shocked when the friend went “fuck you” and stole the magical artifact whose power was involved in the charbroiling incident all of four episodes later; and almost two years later half the remaining is still Discoursing about how the friend “didn’t have a reason” for betraying the protagonist. tts was a show written with small children in mind. i have witnessed Actual Forty Year Olds insisting that this character’s betrayal was petty and childish. rwby is a lot more tightly-written and nuanced and not a disney princess cartoon and while it does benefit from its fandom not being mostly Disney People the fandom is still. A Fandom. doing what fandoms… do.

#i really cannot emphasize enough that the salem nonsense is not ANYWHERE EVEN CLOSE TO the level of the cassandra tts nonsense #like every single episode that is About Cassandra is about rapunzel being an egregiously bad friend #(cause tts went ‘this girl grew up abused in a tower and has negative social skills’ god bless) #and the charbroiling happens because rapunzel uses a Known Dangerous Uncontrollable spell that cass begs her not to use #goes into a trance repeating it and cass grabs her to snap her out of it #and then like two episodes later is like i’m mad at you bc i had it under control and you wouldn’t have gotten hurt if you listened to me #and people are still like ‘how dare this petty egotistical selfish bitch be angry at rapunzel’ lmfao #like at least with salem she’s The Villain yk #not the deuteragonist who gets two seasons of being relentlessly mistreated by her friends and permanently disabled before finally snapping #anyway yeah as a Collective fandoms don’t engage beyond the level of like grade school analysis you get on TVTropes #i.e recognition of common tropes and genre conventions #the rwby fandom is honestly ahead of the curve for having a widespread grasp of what deconstruction is #but it’s still not. great #ironwood is the measuring stick to use here

[hella1975]

will: *literally sobbing right beside mike like hand clenched to his mouth sobbing he was not subtle mike literally looked right at him*

mike who discovered an alternate dimension to get will back even when the others gave up and has literally been willing to risk it all for him since season 1 episode 1:

#LETS TALK ABOUT THIS #EVERYONE RIGHTFULLY MAD ABOUT HOW AWFUL THE WRITERS TREATED WILL THIS SEASON #BUT THEYRE ALSO COMPLETELY BUTCHERING MIKE'S CHARACTER TOO #LIKE HIS CHARACTER IS SOOO INCONSISTENT #THIS IS THE BOY THAT SAW WILL'S 'BODY' BE PULLED FROM THE QUARRY AND WHEN LITERALLY BOTH DUSTIN AND LUCAS #WERE READY TO GIVE UP MIKE GOT ANGRY AND WAS WILLING TO SINGLEHANDEDLY FIGURE OUT THE UPSIDE DOWN #HE WAS THE ONLY ONE THAT DIDNT GIVE UP AND HE KEPT THAT ENERGY ALL THE WAY THROUGH UNTIL EL #LIKE IT'S BAD ENOUGH THAT THEY'RE USING WILL AS A STEPPING STONE FOR THE HET RELATIONSHIP #BUT THEY'RE ALSO DOING EL A DISSERVICE BY FEEDING INTO THE 'GIRL RUINS THE FRIENDSHIP' TROPE #idk im more mad about this bc ive been rewatching s1 lately and it's just SO jarring how much mike's character changes #but i think this deserves to be mentioned #like s1 mike would beat the shit out of s4 mike if he saw the way he was treating will #do you see max and lucas pulling this shit? no you do not #stranger things #st4 spoilers #mike wheeler #will byers

[dreampearls]

I love collei so much but it should be noted. the collei that I love is the completely fake ideal version of her that only exists inside of my head

#well and lee's too. tbh #being completely honest i think i would actually dislike collei had i not read the webtoon #not for any serious reason its just that her portrayal in the game is like... very two dimensional i guess #she just comes across a very palatably shy cute girl yknow.. not to mention how her eleazar is treated #it just so happened that i got attached to her so my anger got redirected #towards hoyoverse as a whole for writing her like that #but initially it was like.. directed towards her as a character i was very neutral on the cusp of being annoyed by her #or rather like... the concept/trope that she represents i guess #all of the things that make collei so interesting to me are practically nonexistant in the game #(for now) im hoping the rest of windblume continues to expand upon her character #but also id be pretty disappointed if the extent of what they do with her is just... she doesnt want to be shy #which is like. Fine i dont think its horrible #but one of the primary things that make her such an interesting character to me is her anger #how it was the only emotion she let herself feel for a long time and howit was the one constant she could rely on #in a world that she principally not trust out of survival #and now that she doesnt want to be angry anymore shes at a loss at how to fill the void #because its so much easier to be angry than it is to be anything else #i think the concept of her struggling to become a kinder person is Soooooo vastly interesting and adds so much more to her character #but unfortunately thats all stuff that only exists in my head. and i doubt it will get much mention in the game #even with windblume happening #colleiction

[m34gs]

call me weird but I think rom-coms without the forced "hate each other but also wanna fuck each other" chemistry (let's be honest, there's some where it's such a stretch it's ridiculous) and without the "love interest does some sketchy as fuck shit that should really have this story end with a restraining order or is entirely stupid/offensive but gets played off as The Most Romantic Thing Ever" can totally be great.

#personal #my little vent #I don't hate the concept of romantic-comedy; #I hate the overuse of those tropes until it's watered down so much it's no longer funny #just some thoughts #Also. who the fuck saves a voice mail that says “call me back I have something important to tell you” for 8 fucking years on a #totally outdated and nearly destroyed flip-phone #but never calls the person back and then shows up after the 8 years not because they want to see the other person #but for a “friend's” funeral #only to not really join the funeral #and then immediately expect to be back into the female lead's life #and also wants to help take care of the kid that may or may not be his #after abandoning them for 8 years #and never looking back??? #and girl why didn't you throw things at him #fuck I watched that years ago and I'm still angry #and why did he almost immediately get over the “friend's” death and it became as if the guy wasn't even a big factor in the dude's life???? #excuse??? #me??? #if you abandoned me as a friend for 8 years and then came back to my funeral just to forget me and chase your ex fiance whom you LEFT AT TH #FUCKING ALTAR #I WOULD HAUNT YOUR STUPID ASS

[thescoobisman]

I love smart kid shows *cough cough* wordgirl *cough cough* Dan Vs *cough cough*

#dan vs #wordgirl #word girl #absolutely great shows #i love the small angry man who doesnt know how to express emotions so they just cause destruction instead trope

[seraphsfire]

if it hadn't taken til episode 8 for joel to call her baby girl it wouldn't have hurt this good i am su1ng pedro for damages to me, personally,

#see u joke about the ''lol grumpy man with angry little girl trope again'' and then #pedro says baby girl and it's not funny anymore ((((((((: #tlou spoilers #anyway

[apollosbisexualass]

As much as it’s fun to read about a kick ass female lead, I get so tired of having said lead having to continuously ‘prove herself’ to every man she meets. I opened this book to escape reality, not be harshly reminded of it.

#and then it leans into the ‘im not like other girls’ trope because she hates dresses or whatever #it honestly makes me feel exhausted sometimes #and angry #so angry #reading #reader #book readers #readerslife #femenist #femenism #misogynistic #female #female mc #y/a #ya books #books and reading #misoginy #tired thoughts #i’m tired

[samuraisharkie]

tf when ur dad but then you indulge in an old childhood show and feel better

#i always forget how much I like teenage mutant ninja turtles until I get started again #I saw clips of the new movie from animators that worked on it on twitter and YouTube and it made me curious and god. #I remember I judged that show based on the designs and the way they drew master splinter but it’s actually pretty good?? #I actually really liked some of the changes they made #putting splinter’s character arc of learning to be at peace with his past in the show was surprisingly fulfilling #he’s not like the past iterations of splinter at all but there’s something compelling about what they chose to do with him #you just. have to get through the first few episodes where he’s at his lowest #also I kind of like what they did with Leo in the newest show #and moving Raphael away from the trope of ‘big angry brute’ but designing him like that was a surprising trope inversion #i just like the way they did the turtles’ personalities in this one. they’re goofy brothers that kick ass! #also the show instantly shot forward in respect from me #bc one of the show writers basically canonized that at the very least Donny and Mikey are on the spectrum #and unlike most shows w an autistic smart character they actually write Donny pretty well in that context #also instantly like it a ton bc April is a cool member of the gang again and not a damsel in distress or uncomfortable love plot device #also she’s a black girl now and it’s fucking awesome #I hate the amount of racists that pop up everytime she’s even referred to online though :/ #this April seems like the best one I’ve ever seen tbh she meshes with the rest of the main cast extremely well

[gh0stsblogs]

The romantizacion of the Manic Pixie Dream Girl rotted my brian.

the trope is good if we see it as men been stupid and as a way to show how they just make us what they want and dont let us be humans, how they make a girls story for their own entretainment and pleasure, but the way they make like, "omg i wish i had a Ramona Flower 🥹" makes me want to ripp their heads off

The only good thing about it its that if someone tell you "you are my *insert Manic Pixie dream Girl*" then you RUN, BEACUSE THEY DONT SEE YOU AS A PERSON THEY SEE YOU AS A TOY, A CHARACTER THEY CAN CHANGE

I do love all Manic Pixie Dream Girls tho, its not their fault, i identify with a lot of them. Butt damm i hate how men act about them. Like i love good story about a boy growing out of their coco brain and noticing the girl they like its a person. its just that men dont see it that way and its annoying.

#manic pixie dream girl #ramona flowers #im going to off myself beacuse of this trope #feminism #i love tea #im angry #500 days of summer

[romulanfucker]

its late and everyones asleep so im just gonna say. like everything about kira is so good in theory and i should like her so much and i Do think shes fantastic when im just thinking about her and spinning her around in my mindcrowave. but then the secon i actually watch her in the show its just so obvious that the people writing and designing her were huge misogynists and no matter how many “girly” tropes they try to avoid they pick up another to replace it and its so obnoxious

#like i cant quite put my finger on why i dont care about her as much as i feel like i ought to #but its just like. shes supposed to be rough and angry and volatile and shes always perfectly groomed w eyeliner and uniform that hugs her #waist and its like. god if shes gonna be a messy woman let her be a Messy Woman #its not just that theres a lot more #also the way they keep making her fall for older men who get killed for her woman pain and her failed romances always end up overshadowing #the pain of having lived thru a genocide in the writing like. shes only the ex rebel girl when she has nothing better to do. #when they can give her a regular girl misogynist sci fi trope that always takes precedence #im blaming it all on rick berman. fuck that guy

[turnsorrow]

honestly idk why so many ppl in the general fandom call alisaie a tsundere she like very blatantly loudly and constantly declares her affections for ppl she’s just also sometimes childish and has a hard time expressing herself bc she.... is a teenager ☠️

#idk i don't really think ali fits that trope like #at all #her and alphi teasing each other is just normal sibling stuff #tbh i think alisaie is way too kindhearted and honest to be labeled a ~tsundere~ it feels like watering her character down #◦ 「 ☆ 」 —— out of character . #◦ 「 ☆ 」 —— delete . #i have opinions every time i go into character tags KJNMERKHNJM #ppl rlly like misinterpreting alisaie as a funny hehe gremlin tsundere angry girl and that's it