#Anti Carina MacKenzie

[cancerian-woman]

Kat Graham spoke on the Driven Minds podcast as a guest. She detailed mental health, health, having boundaries and even given some thoughts on how that has changed her life or blended with her career. She’s very aware that she and Bonnie had plenty of disadvantages than her co-stars and other characters because of her race. Whether that be love interests, clothing, hair or Bonnie having agency. To quote her directly: “had I been a caucasian female I do think the writing would’ve been different”

It’s just as important to hear this from her perspective first and foremost as much as the fans rallied behind her then and now.

#bonnie bennett #anti tvd #kat graham #anti Julie Plec #anti the vampire diaries #anti Caroline dries #anti Carina Mackenzie #anti the cw #she’s always hinted at this topic but it’s good to hear her speak on it #black women deserve to be seen as equal in their work spaces

[viavolterra]

Grown woman mad af

Im so close to getting blocked by her (a writer for the Originals)

#tvdu #the originals #tvd #klaus mikaelson #the vampire diaries #bonnie bennett #leah pipes #tyler lockwood #cami o connell #anti caroline forbes #Anti carina Mackenzie

[hellsbellschime]

Y'ALL I'M FUCKING SCREAAAAAAAAAAAMING. I had Carina blocked for forever but something must have happened because I was scrolling through absolute ancient asks that I never answered and came upon this gem. I can't actually reply to it for some reason, I assume because the tumblr is deleted, but I'm absolutely deceased.

#anti carina mackenzie #this is ancient so fingers crossed she's grown as a person #i'm not holding my breath on that though #i love discovering relics from fandom fuckery's past

[timotthydrake]

Omfg kalijah deserved better but I can't stand elijah's hypocritical ass. Like Kat sweetie imme get you out of there. How is he mad at katherine for killing elena's brother when elena is responsible for the deaths of 2 of his brothers??? Team AlWaYs AnD fOrEvEr raves about how no one lives after that person hurts their families... Unless it's Kol and Finn. Then that's fine kill away. I don't know if it's the Plot armor or if the mikaelsons just don't care? But how was Rebekah sympathetizing with her brothers killers, elijah getting mad at someone killing his brother's killer and Klaus totally forgetting his vegence rant instead choosing to 'hunt' Tyler for breaking his hybrids sire bonds. He was more mad about the freaking hybrids than his own little brother??? All in a couple of weeks of Kol's death??? F*ck this shit

#anti elena gilbert #anti damon salvatore #anti jeremy Gilbert #anti klaus mikaelson #anti elijah mikaelson #anti Rebekah mikaelson #anti the originals #anti tvd #anti the vampire diaries #anti julie plec #anti always and forever #anti Carina MacKenzie #I don't know if she wrote for tvd at the time but imme include her ass too #anti mikaelsons #anti hayley Marshall #kol mikaelson #finn mikaelson #don't get me wrong #I love my bby mikaelsons but they were Hella annoying #katherine pierce #anti TO

[bi-leigh-bi]

If you don’t think Tyler is one of the people Carina made uncomfortable let me tell you something- he literally said she told him to tow the line and he wouldn’t.

CW is notoriously- to the detriment of shows sometimes tbh- willing to throw everything at fan fave ships and characters so I’m not worried for malex or Alex.

#anti carina mackenzie #malex #alex manes #roswell nm #roswell new mexico

[thehollowprince]

Julie Plec and her team really romanticized and sanitized the South. Never mentioning slavery until The Originals for a gross white savior arc. Referring to Bonnie's ancestor Emily as Katherine's ~handmaiden~, all the historical reenactments the town celebrates. Bonnie deserved to watch the town burn for that alone. I think it was mentioned though that the cellar Tyler used to transform was an old slave holding dungeon? I can't remember but yeah, whitewashed Virginia and Louisiana

Plec and Co. should not have been allowed to write for anything related to the South. The Vampire Diaries you could possibly excuse to an extent, because a lot of "small town America" that we see is a bunch of old-fashioned white people that are too full of themselves. But like I said, even that's just to an extent. The way they treated Bonnie and Tyler literally throughout the entire run of the show. Or any characters of color, really.

I mean, we have Bonnie basically acting as a servant to Elena and Friends, only actually having power of any kind when its beneficial to them. We have Bonnie's cousin and ancestor (Lucy and Emily) on some kind of indentured servitude/slavery with Katherine because she saved their lives (from circumstances she no doubt caused). And neither one of them were slouches in the magic department, meaning they could have easily handled her and went about their lives, but didn't because the narrative needed them to be subservient to Katherine (of Klaus or Elijah when it comes to the Martins).

And we're not even going to touch on the whole situation around Tyler in the slave cellar being bound by chains, because that's a whole different can of worms.

But when it comes to The Originals, that's a whole different story. This city, historically known for its black culture, whitewashed to served the narrative of the Mikaelsons as the white saviors who rescued those backwoods idiots from their savagery (oh, the irony). Aside from the horribly racist narrative where the few black characters were always second fiddle to all the white characters, one of the things that just bugged the hell out of me was the fact that there wasn't a single southern accent. Anywhere! It's such a trivial thing, but really highlights how much they didn't care about the city itself aside from how they could twist it to benefit their white faves.

I mean.... Julie Plec, Kevin Williamson, Michael Narducci, Caroline Dries, Carina MacKenzie... these were the primary writers for both of those shows that take place in the south. All white people who thought they were completely justified in how they treated their black characters. And I say black characters, because I'm searching my head and I can't think of a single instance of their being a Latinx character on either show (aside from Tyler). But, given what I've been seeing on Roswell, New Mexico under Carina's direction, I'm not too upset over that.

Bottom line is if your going to have a story set in New Orleans, at the very least they should have hired some writers actually from the city, someone who could help weave the culture of that city into the story. Instead we got the usual white nonsense (and I say this as a white person) of people thinking they could get away with it by having one black character for every three white characters and occassionally throwing out the word Voodoo.

American Horror Story: Coven did a better job of conveying that city and its history, and that season was racist as hell.

#ask and ye shall recieve #russianspacegeckosexparty #anti julie plec #anti michael narducci #anti kevin willamson #anti carina mackenzie #anti caroline dries #racism

[fandomlife-confessions]

#Anti the malex #Anti michael #Anti alex manes #anti maria deluca #anti carina mackenzie #fandom life confessions #(i hope the picture is alright. Was first to show when I searched for all except mackenzie)

[fandomshatepeopleofcolor]

If you want screenshot, check @lizacstuff tumblr or the Carina Mackenzie/anti Carina Mackenzie tag.

thanks nonny I’ve reblogged a post!

mod ali

#anti carina mackenzie #fhpoc asks #mod ali #Anonymous

[coco-little-rose]

Me, watching all the drama around Carina Mackenzie and RNM.

#anti carina mackenzie #i was waiting for this since tvd

[samcarter34]

I'm actually watching the new Roswell, NM and I've stumbled across the anti carina tag due to some drama on her twitter. I don't understand what all the hate is about though, I never watch TVD or TO so am at a loss. Any chance of a quick summary? I'm worried about investing in RNM if there's a problematic show runner.

If it’s Twitter drama that first got your attention that’s where I’ll start. 

TVD and TO have some of the most unprofessional crew I’ve ever seen. Julie Plec (who, while not showrunner, is an exec producer) has repeatedly started up drama to try to get various different facets of her shows’ fandoms to fight each other. She outright demonized one group and made it out like they were a bunch of basement dwelling psychos trying to ruin the show and the lives of everyone involved. Also, Plec is an expert at throwing people under the bus. If an idea lands well, then it was her idea. If it flops, then it was someone else’s and she had nothing to do with it. She did this to three people that I know of, all of whom wound up leaving.

Carina Mackenzie is effectively Julie Plec’s protege, and shows a lot of the same attitude. Starting twitter fights and then trying to play the victim. During season 3 or so of TO, someone involved in production got annoyed enough at someone or something that they started sending out spoilers. This was mostly in the form of anon asks to @klarolinedrabbles and @hellsbellschime. Carina tried to make them (mostly hellsbellschime even though she wasn’t the one who got most of the spoilers) out to be misogynistic harpies who were trying to sabotage the entire show…via answering anons on tumblr blogs.

Now then, onto the meat of it all: the writing on the show.

Julie Plec and Carina Mackenzie are awful writers. Seriously, Mackenzie published a book that @cbk1000 did a read through of it and it is bad. The prose is bad, the grammar sucks, the characters are idiots. And while a writer on TO, Mackenzie’s episodes were almost always of lesser quality. Their writing is also very plot oriented as opposed to character motivated. They come up with an idea and then hack at the characterization until the characters will do it, whether it makes sense for that character or not

But beyond that, The Originals is the most misogynistic show I have ever seen. The entire premise of it is built on the fact that Klaus’ daughter, who in season 1 was not even born yet, will heal 1,000 years worth of parental issues, abandonment issues, possessiveness, sadism, cruelty and a bunch of other things because Klaus Mikaelson was a horrible person who really should not have been raising children. And this theme of ‘it is the duty of the child to therapize their parent and make them better’ is something that comes up repeatedly throughout the series and it is not something the audience is meant to question.

@hellsbellschime did a good meta on two of the most prominent female characters on TO Camille O’Connell and Davina Claire (http://hellsbellschime.tumblr.com/post/143777003046/cami-davina-and-the-problem-with-women-on-the). 

TVD is grossly misogynistic as well, Caroline’s mom gets brain cancer and that entire plot was contrived as a way to guilt Stefan into dating her. A lesbian couple commit suicide because one of them gets infected with a fatal blood born illness

Bonnie Bennett, resident witch and only black woman in TVD literally died at one point and none of her friends noticed. She had a guy who could talk to the dead send text messages and post cards (WHICH WOULD BE WRITTEN IN HIS HANDWRITING) but no one hears her voices for months. No one tries to call her after her father gets murdered. The only realize it when they need her to do something and she isn’t there. Which is a constant for her. She’s the one who fixes everything, she has to stand tall, bury her pain which no one will help her heal from, and fix other people’s problems.

Sorry this is rambly, and there are over a thousand other things but the gist is: Julie Plec and Carina Mackenzie are awful writers. Their writing is misogynistic, homophobic, racist and just all around bad. From what I’ve heard, they already sidelined one of the major characters after casting a black woman to play her.

My honest advice would be to stop watching. It’s not worth it to get invested in their work because their work is shit. They do not care about their characters, they do not care about their audience and in my opinion they do not deserve to be employed in the industry.

#anonymous #long post #Roswell #Roswell New Mexico #Anti Carina Mackenzie #Anti Julie Plec #Anti TVD #Anti TO #I need to figure out how to make this stuff more concise

[cancerian-woman]

did u know they used real traditional witch craft in the originals

carina searched up old spells and would switch the words around and add them to the script until someone from New Orleans called them when s2 was airing and told them to stop

but they still didnt

Once again white people taking over shit that doenst belong to them and then dismissing the actual concerns

Okay, i just woke up and Im sick so if its some errors in this im sorry lol. Brain is not functioning atm - massive headaches & all.

Yeah! I’ve seen that video on tiktok recently not only did Carina Mackenzie admitted she struggle writing spells but continued to google and use someone else’s culture. Then her and Riley both laughed about the phone call. Weird as hell given that’s someone’s actual culture and practice.

There’s one thing to not believe in someone’s culture (juju, voodoo, hoodoo…) etc but if you’re constantly pulling and nitpicking at it for your own content you have no room to label someone crazy. It’s even worst when you look TO’s version of New Orleans compared to other versions of New Orleans in media. Everyone in TO’s version is white, besides a few characters but for the majority from the main cast to the background characters are white. Yet, you have New Orleans depicted in Princess in the frog—diverse, AHS:Coven-diverse. We really didn’t get black main characters (and they were temporary) until fans complained and TO frequently did a body-jump as placeholders.

There’s also another instance of how the writers took and manipulated culture is in (2x13) when the wolves are throwing/laying brooms at Jayley’s door, which Jackson explained “jumping the broom” meant jumping into bed with your partner. When jumping the broom was created during slavery and never about rushing to have sex with your partner.

There’s more to name that occurred but yeah white people will use up someone else’s culture and get mad you dare correct them on it. I mean look at how they react when black women tell them not to wear box braids. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

#anti Carina Mackenzie #viavolterra #anti the originals #anti TO #dria responds #anti Julie Plec #anti tvd #anti the vampire diaries #i know Marcel + Vincent count omg. i was not feeling good when i wrote this.

[ihaverecurringnightmares]

Did they seriously have Caroline say "Klaus wasn't the villain in her story"? They have made her completely OOC.

I had warned you guys that Caroline would say something in 5x12 that was so destructive to her character, and THAT was the line. Her whole characterization on the show was offensive and sad, because it’s not even just the complete retconning of the past, or the inconsistencies, it’s the blatant victim shaming. SHE apologized for trying to kill him, SHE absolved him of his past crimes…and what did he do? Nothing. No apologies, no hint of remorse. He just did as he always did, ramble on about himself and then be coy like “My intentions of murdering you and sexually assaulting you and murdering your friends were pure.” And she’d giggle and sip her coffee like “OMG, Claws, maybe so. Tee hee.”

How hard would it have been for the writers to have her address what a monster he was to her? To say he bit her, stabbed her, tried to kill her 3 times, controlled every aspect of her life, and for him to just be upfront and say “Yeah, I was a monster back then, and I may not deserve your forgiveness but I’m asking for it anyway. I’ve changed.” That still would have been weak sauce, but it would have been better than him literally acting like their relationship was a cute little romantic comedy of him chasing her and her being into it. The closest thing we got was her admitting he terrified her, but then they later say he wasn’t the villain of her story…so they couldnt even continue that continuity. That short continuity within a few episodes… Oh the mess.

For me, that declaration from her was completely unearned narratively. It was just a stupid, hollow line for a very stupid, hollow relationship. Klaus has shown remorse to every woman in his life that he hurt, but never to Caroline and I think that’s messed up because she’s at the top of his victims list. Those two characters were incapable of sitting down and having a deep conversation about their history, because the complexity and depth just isn’t there for them. So they sweep it under the rug, like they always have, and in turn make them act out of character for the sake of furthering the plot.

I think it becomes even more jarring, what they did to Caroline, when you consider Julie Plec and Carina Mackenzie patted themselves on the back for killing haylijah and discussing abuses of power and women in the writer’s room, and then came together to write the episode where they had a victim of an abuse of power tell her abuser that it’s okay what he did because…retcon.

#anon #anti the originals #anti julie plec #anti carina mackenzie #anti klaroline #anti all the shitty writing in the world

[hellsbellschime]

This post was after the chadwick one. Before this I didnt realise or pay attention to her actions even though i knew she was problematic but when i saw the chadwick post it really infuriated me and i actually commented on her post. I wasnt abusive. But i got blocked. LOL

OH FFS ARE YOU FOR REAL RIGHT NOW THOUGH

#anti carina mackenzie #lordt the nerve on this lady #Anonymous

[timotthydrake]

I just skipped the pilot episode. You can't believe how excited i initially was. Now it's just a sad reminder of what could've been... "A series called the originals about the original vampire family? Lmaosksksk as if. What could possibly make you think that? I mean we signed phoebe before Joseph and Claire who actually campaigned for the spinoff (Apparently- correct me if I'm wrong). That should've been your first clue. Killing another original even after we knew the spinoff was happening should've been your second." I get so mad everytime I think of that wasted potential. The only redeeming thing was s3. My baby Lucien 🥰 and cami dying? *chef's kiss*

#anti the originals #anti julie plec #anti TO #anti CW #anti Carina MacKenzie #anti Michael narducci #can't believe he's still employed #anti julie & co. #klaus mikaelson #anti elijah mikaelson #kol mikaelson #rebekah mikaelson #finn mikaelson #anti camille O'Connell #anti klamille #anti hayley marshall #anti haylijah #pro phoebe tonkin #anti TO!klaus #basically anti everything

[bi-leigh-bi]

I don't understand people who defended Carina's treatment of Tyler just because she periodically praised him on twitter. All those passive agressive comments? It was pretty obvious that things were tense BTS and she couldn't push him around. He criticized her storytelling at NYCC before s2 even aired and then there was all the post 2x06 stuff. And I'm so glad Jeanine held her ground too. She deserves so much more than a showrunner who constantly overlooks her.

All of this, anon. All of this. It’s been very obvious that Tyler wasn’t happy with some of what Carina has been pulling, he hasn’t been hiding it. He said Carina told him to tow the line and that he wouldn’t. Vlamis has commented that Tyler is going against Carina’s script. He’s definitely one of the ones she made uncomfortable. And I have no doubt as much as she wants to say otherwise that she did the same to Jeanine. If you watch Jeanine and Tyler when they do their interviews there’s a legit vibe there and I have doubt it’s because they both love their characters and what they represent and resent the way Carina has been treating them.

And tbh, anyone who didn’t already know Carina creates a toxic environment must have never watched TVD or TO. Daniel Gillies could not wait to be free of TO. He hated the main ship they stuck him in. Carina was obsessed with Joseph Morgan in a very unhealthy way. Which she has now transferred to Vlamis, poor boy.

I’m glad she’s gone. I can appreciate that she went to bat over censorship- it ended up being unnecessary but you know, kudos for trying I guess- but that doesn’t change the fact that I think the show will be overall much better without her.

#roswell nm #anti carina mackenzie #roswell new mexico #girl bye

[thehollowprince]

Plec really can't hold a plot. I remember when she had Grams mention that "Nature has a plan" as if Nature itself was gonna deal with the vampires but that went nowhere lol. And just... vampires themselves. They're this affront to nature but still exist. Also, roll my eyes whenever witches are referred to as servants of nature because it's more like "black witches are servants of the nearest yt, but white witches have freedom"

Julie Ppec couldn't write a cohesive and comprehensive plot if you paid her.

I know that sounds mean, but it's the truth.

And it's not list her. Pretty much everyone involved in the direction of the show sucked at telling a story that made sense based on the foundations that they themselves laid out. Not just Plec, but Narducci and Williamson and Dries and MacKenzie. All of those big wigs who decided which characters would die and which villains would show up and which plot twists would determine the future path of their shows, they all sucked!

First thing that pops into my head (because I'm fresh off of finally watching the last two seasons) was the whole "when a vampire becomes human again, their compulsion wears off". That was very clearly thrown in there at the last second to complicate an already convoluted plotline just for the sake of th Drama™. Where was this reverse compulsion when Elena or Tyler or Katherine became human again after being a vampire? We had an entire season of human Katherine running around and none of them remembered the things she compelled them to do or say? And what about Alaric in season six? Wouldn't him reverting to human have erased the compulsion he placed on Elena to remove her feelings for Damon? Did we really have to sit through a whole season of Elena "falling in love" again when the compulsion should have just gone away?

And speaking of Alaric becoming human again, let's talk about that bullshit with the anti-magic barrier. A vampire crossing that threshold reverts back to their state before their transition. Does Plec really expect us all to believe that a giant piece of wood being shoved through a person's heart is easier to treat than a girl who drowned for a minute. One of these things was easier to fix than the other, and it wasn't the one they chose for the show.

And don't get me started on the whole "Nature has a plan" bullshit. Maybe that was just something that Grams believed in, but they kept repeating it over and over, about how Nature knew what it was doing or that witches were Nature's servants, until, as you pointed out, those witches were white. There were practically no serious consequences to Esther or her family for "violating nature's laws", aside from the fact that vervain burned them and they couldn't go out into the sun for a few days, until once again their mother found a witchy workaround for that, too. But Bonnie, uses magic for personal reasons once, and suddenly everyone turns against her.

It's not a season of The Vampire Diaries unless Bonnie Bennett suffers!

And, of course, that brings us to the whole, Nature vs. Spirits thing. We're told that its Nature that keeps the balance, but then we see that it's actually the Spirits of the dead witches trapped on the Other Side who make up all the rules that they selectively follow depending on the witch in question.

This is just something that happens over and over, with the narrative constantly contradicting itself because they wrote themselves into (what they perceived as) a corner and they backtracked and retconned fo get out of it. The biggest one I can think of was the whole "vampires can't be witches" spiel that they repeated over and over, only to completely overturn it and introduce the Heretics, who are able to be both through a set of circumstances that naturally no one heard about before now. Or the whole thing with Kol and Rebekah and Finn possessing witches and having their power, despite their spirits being that of vampires, as evident of their later resurrections.

It's like they couldn't make up their mind about what they wanted to do, and the story suffered for it (at least for me) because their glaring contradictions were constantly being thrown in my face.

The biggest whoopsie was the Mikaelsons (or really any big bad) themselves.

Elijah, and then Klaus and then the mysteriously named "Originals" were mentioned in season two (way too early, IMO) and they went on to have not only a huge impact on the Mystic Falls Gang, but have such a monumental history too them (could have been better, if we're being honest. Taking creatures from the books that were alive since the Stone Age and reducing them to merely a thousand years old was a huge disservice to the source material). But back to my original (ba dum tsh) point, in that when we first hear of Klaus, his name is whispered with absolute terror. The mysterious first among vampires, the vampire that the great Katherine Pierce herself was a afraid of, and he turned out to be a British twink with daddy issues that literally everyone else knew about. How the Salvatores managed to travel the world with their various pitstops in Mystic Falls (conveniently the very home of the Mikaelsons) and not here about them is stupefying. I mean, they were both in New Orleans only twenty years after Mikael drove Klaus and his siblings out of town, and yet they've never heard of them? They didn't run into Marcel at all? They both knew vampires way older than them (Lexi and Sage) and the Originals were never mentioned? Hell, Sage was an Original groupie and the subject of Finn never came up?

It was like that over and over. The Originals are all mysterious and no one's heads of them, except for this entire city that was founded by them, and these various groups of people and minions that work for them. Then it happens again with Silas. No one's heard of this uber powerful psychic immortal until suddenly everyone's afraid of him because he's pure evil and will bring about the end of the world. Wash, rinse, repeat with the Heretics, then the Sirens, then the Devil himself (conveniently a black man), then the Hollow.

It was ridiculous.

Their own narrative was constantly destroyed and rebuilt to make-up for their constant need to one-up what they did before with no consequence of the groundwork they already laid out. That's like trying to build a skyscraper atop a foundation meant for a log cabin.

I don't even want to think of how bad it is for Legacies.

#ask and ye shall recieve #russianspacegeckosexparty #anti julie plec #anti kevin willamson #anti michael narducci #anti caroline dries #anti carina mackenzie #anti the originals #anti the vampire diaries #these shows had such potential #but the people at the top constantly went out of their way to destroy and undermine it #so sad