#Anti the last of us part 2

[darklinaforever]

When a professional demonstrates how fireflies are slammed to the ground... If the fireflies managed to get a cure / vaccine with their fucking stupid method, it would literally be a miracle.

#the last of us hbo #the last of us #the last of us part 1 ps5 #the last of us part 1 #the last of us part one #tlou #anti tlou2 #anti the last of us part two #anti the last of us part 2 #anti the last of us ii #ellie and joel #joel and ellie #ellie x joel #joel x ellie #joel miller #ellie williams

[carry-on-every-neverland-magic]

The Last of Us rant and MAJOR spoilers ahead

NOT part 2 positive

Its so wild to me that the creators didn't even think about taking the show in a different direction to the part 2 game, as everything I have read seems to point in the direction they're gonna make season 2 exactly as the part 2 story goes. Like fine part 2 exists (even though its the worst thing ever, butchers Joel and Ellies bond and characters and introduces a ton of other characters idgaf about and this is just scratcing the surface of why its awful)

but I wish the writers could have taken season 2 of the show somewhere else, kept the heart and soul of the story alive (Joel & Ellie) made Joel not be an ooc dumbass and stand and wait to be beaten up and worse.

The entire reason I latched onto the Last of Us was Joel and Ellie. Sure I love a post apocalyptic story, love the other characters and atmosphere but the heart of the last of us IS Joel and Ellie, two lost souls finding and healing each other. They gave hope in a hopeless world.

Why couldn't season 2 focus on them in Jackson, explain and show better why Ellie is so mad at Joel over what he did (which any father would have done tbh) and show them heal and fucking watch Jurassic Park together.

The cure was never a certain thing and Ellie has so many dreams and desires and things she loves he simply wanted her to have a life.

I'm tired of part 2 stans saying how we just want a happy ending and should go watch peppa pig or something but like hello?? all my fave media is tragic lol I love tragedy Hell I don't even care if Joel is killed its the WAY he died like an absolute ooc chump that sucks and the way his bond with Ellie was ripped apart and they were kept apart in s2 and for what? Because she's mad over some non existent non certain cure when the world is basically burned to shit and too many assholes have claimed it. What would a vaccine have even saved?

The only good and beautiful thing about part 2 were the flashbacks (most of them anyway, but particularly the museum scene and some other scenes like Ellie holding Joels jacket)

It just makes me sad man that one of my favourite stories had such a shit part 2 and one of my fave shows is looking likely to head in the exact same direction when they could have taken a shot at doing the story that so divided people differently.

It just feels weird to have no excitement for season 2 when all I know is coming is a load of characters I don't care about, Joel dying in the first 5 minutes and Ellie turning into a murderous savage and ending up alone. Like what is good or hopeful or redemptive about this? And I give two shits about Abby because you can't kill off a main character you love so quickly, stupidly and horribly then expect us to buy into her story and care. No.

The Last of Us showed many stories and people, Henry and Sam, Bill and Frank etc and you care because the world they're in, the things they have had to see and do to survive and protect those they love is fascinating to watch. But it doesn't work in part 2 because they ripped away a character in such a stupid brutal way and didn't give us nearly enough time with him and Ellie. I love Joel so much but him dying could be part of the story for sure. But not like this.

I'm rambling now but basically I've never loved characters and a story so much but only half of it. I feel robbed of a proper ending.

#the last of us #tlou hbo #joel and ellie #anti tlou 2 #anti the last of us part 2 #anti abby #the last of us spoilers

[cock-holliday]

Kind of expanding off of this post but a likelihood even more bothersome than Neil forgetting his own source material is that this was his original intention all along, and the story was only saved by his lack of complete creative control over the original product.

At this point, the core of the story is now placed in part 2, not the original. What I thought was intentioned ambiguity becomes more and more indicative of Neil not being allowed to say the quiet part out loud…until part 2. Moral quandaries from the original were merely setups for blatant and unsubtle messages. The original asked thought-provoking questions, and it seems clear that the team behind the game may have had different answers, or at least embraced the possibilities of multiple conclusions. Part 2 says there is only one answer: Neil’s answer.

*spoiler warning*

Suddenly the original is not presenting the player with grey areas anymore, it is simply the setup for a conclusion. Even the marketing now positions this to be the case, as it is difficult to find a copy of The Last of Us that is not labeled “The Last of Us: Part 1.” The HBO show has even shifted aspects to cater more specifically and blatantly to the messages of Part 2, which are as disheartening as they are childish.

The Last of Us questioned what people would do to survive, it questioned what lengths people would go to for their loved ones, it questioned what choices people would make based on their own traumas.

Part 2 tries to say that violence and hate are as inherent as love and hope, and effectively inescapable as part of “human nature.” Except it IS escapable. For the antagonist. So Neil’s own message is lost in hypocrisy. Part 2 tries to say that any and all violence is proportional. A girl killing her would-be rapist is as violent as the person who attempted to prey on her. A girl killing someone in self-defense is as violent as killing someone out of hatred. All violence is equal regardless of motivation or context or power dynamics. A system is the same as an individual. A military force is the same as the rebels fighting against it.

All violence is condemnable, nuance is lost. And the only absolution for your part in the violence is to suffer. Unless of course you seek out peace sooner than your opponent.

Joel committed violence to survive. He committed violence to save Ellie. He is only absolvable through death.

Ellie committed violence to survive. She committed violence to avenge Joel. She is only absolvable through the loss of everyone she loves, unspeakable trauma, the loss of fingers—and by extension her ability to play guitar, something that kept her connected to the person she was closest to—and must be relegated to her plainly stated worst fear: ending up alone.

Abby committed violence by avenging her father and killing Joel. She committed violence by killing and hurting Ellie’s friends. She committed violence by participating in occupation and torture of those living beyond her border wall. She committed violence by brutalizing Tommy. She committed violence by betraying her friends. She is absolved by…getting a found family.

The game tries so hard to be highbrow but doesn’t follow its own logic. It can’t decide what is excusable and what is condemnable but god does it fucking try to excuse or condemn rather than suggest that there isn’t a clear answer.

Joel and Ellie are consumed by guilt. They, particularly Ellie, are forced into situations against their own moralities, but are expected to pay the narrative price as if they did their acts out of evilness anyway.

Abby is not remorseful for anything she has done, but decides she wants to move forward (having already achieved her goal of revenge early in the narrative) and now is permitted to walk away. If revenge is evil, why is Abby allowed to have it? If violence is all bad regardless of context, why are only some punished by the narrative and not others?

If an eye for an eye makes the whole world blind, why is the person who wasn’t seeking revenge blinded?

Neil tries to make a point about violence removed from context, motivated by his OWN views of violence removed from context. The why suddenly doesn’t matter. The why isn’t protecting someone, it isn’t protecting yourself, it isn’t an attempt to remove shackles of oppression, it isn’t a push for freedom, it isn’t to escape occupation. It is simply “human nature’s propensity for violence.” It is cynicism and a reductive stance on people as a whole.

Violence is not permitted to be a tool for controlling masses and a tool for liberation and a means to survive and a necessary measure for protection and a way to exert power over the defenseless all as commingling realities. No, violence is simply “bad.” A child predator is simply “the dark side of humanity” and not a specific dynamic born from a combination of factors. A child killing said predator in self-defense is also suddenly the girl’s “dark side” and not the exercise of violence as a method of escape. They are equal. Because violence is bad. A military beating down its citizens for control is just bad because violence is bad. So the people who overthrow the military occupation are ALSO bad because violence is bad.

Suddenly game 1 is no longer a multifaceted view on the potential paths of post-apocalypse, and a mind-probing posing of questions about morality and justice. It is a buffet of “bad people” doing “bad things”, with the inevitable second shoe dropping in part 2 which says: and so they will all eat each other.

#tlou #the last of us #tlou part 2 #anti tlou2 #tlou2

[abbyonmars]

warning(?) tlou2 spoiler ????? i think

IM SORRY BUT WHY DOES NO ONE PUT THAT ONE CLIP OF ABBY IN THEIR EDITS OF HER CHOKING THAT ONE SERAPHITE WITH HER THIGHS CAUSE HER ARMS ARE ALL TIED UP ???? AM I MISSING SOMETHING

thinking about that bc lowkey seeing that started my obsession. am i the only one who thinks that or what

#abby anderson #abby anderson tlou2 #tlou abby #the last of us #the last of us part 2 #abby antis dni

[ohmanareyoucereal69]

Im not sure if this is bait or not but this is disgusting and sick, idk please report this account. 🤢

#tlou #tlou2 #tlou1 #tlou ellie #Joel miller #ellie the last of us #the last of us 2 #the last of us #the last of us joel #ellie tlou #joel tlou #abby anderson tlou2 #abby tlou #tlou hbo #tlou part 2 #tlou game #dina tlou #the last of us Abby #Abby Anderson #dina woodward #jesse the last of us #jesse tlou #the last of us part two #the last of us part 2 #the last of us part one #the last of us part ii remastered #the last of us part 1 remake #abby the last of us #abby anderson the last of us 2 #anti proship

[lottiematthewsceo]

actress playing dina not jewish and a zionist i hate it here this is worse than the abby casting

(boycott tlou neil druckmann isabela merced and kaitlyn denver are all zionists)

#tlou hbo #tlou part 2 #the last of us #hbo the last of us #dina tlou #isabela merced #anti zionisim

[nightmaree-eyess]

When Abby says “I wish someone loved me enough to make me a stocking— what? A stocking or someone who loves me?” Makes me wanna cry. I’ll make her all the stockings in the fucking world. I love her till my last breath. She is my baby girl wife and I’ll defend her with my life.

#the last of us #the last of us 2 #tlou2 #abby tlou #tlou part 2 #tlou #abby anderson #abby defender forever #abby antis dni #I’m fucking serious

[tlouramblings]

TLOU Part 2 Opening scene Part 2

A rant/break down about this flashback scene from the the second game.

Part 1

This is the first look we get at Joel and Ellies living situation in Jackson. It shows us that Ellie is living in a garage that's in Joels backyard.

They managed to find a way to keep Joel and Ellie close but also so far apart. Joel can always keep an eye on her from his house, but she can also keep her distance from him.

There is a time skip between Joel and Tommy's conversation to now. Since then Ellie and Joel have settled into Jackson and become more civilized.

I wish we knew more about the process of Ellie moving into the garage. When did she make the decision to move? Did she immediately call dibs on the garage when they got to Jackson? What was Joels reaction?

The first look we get of Ellie in this game is her by herself drawing and jamming out to music. We also get to see how she has decorated the garage and made it her own. This is the first time Ellie’s really had her own space to live in freely. Back at FEDRA she had to share a room and she probably didn’t own that much.

Ellie is covering up her bite with a bandage so she doesn’t have to wear long sleeves around everyone. I wonder if the chemical burn had already happened at this point? There would only be so long Elie could wear the bandage before people would start to question it.

She is also drawing a deer, which in the last game represented her trauma with the winter/David.

When Ellie finally realizes Joel is in the room she immediately closes her drawing book and stands up. She awkwardly leans against her desk and avoids eye contact for a few seconds.

Her body language is tense and uncomfortable. She doesn't want to see him or talk to him right now.

I love how Joel is being a typical dad here. He goes into her room and awkwardly walks around and touches as much stuff as possible.

Based on this sentence it seems like Joel and Ellie hadn’t spoken in a while, at least a couple days. He's had to subtly check in on her through other people in Jackson. Which foreshadows what he probably had to do when they were estranged for 2 years.

She's obviously pushing him away. She moved into her own place so she was not forced to see him or rely on him anymore.

She’s angry and upset because she knows he’s lying. But she’s also depressed and has an immense amount of survivors guilt.

This is so cute, yet sad. This perfectly mirrors how she tried to bond with him through jokes in the first game. But Ellie immediately shuts him down and is trying to get him to leave. She uses the excuse that she has to be up in a few hours, but if he hadn't of came in there she probably would of stayed up drawing for a while longer.

They've completely switched roles, she's now the closed off one and he's the one trying to bond.

This also furthers the theory that they hadn't talked in a few days or he would of told her the joke sooner. They went from spending every day together for a year to going days apart without speaking.

#Happy 10 years of TLOU!!! #sorry for the long wait for this #anti Ellie moving into the garage #I know she was mad at him #rightfully so #but i just don't like the storyline #she should've stayed in the house #in the room where his workshop was #and his workshop should've been in the garage #and they should of worked out their problems #and been a happy found family #she could eventually move out with Dina #the last of us #ellie williams #joel miller #tlou #the last of us hbo #tlou 2 #the last of us part 2 spoilers #tlou 2 spoilers #breakdown series #tlou spoilers #troy baker #ashley johnson #pedro pascal #bella ramsey

[clairesjill]

happy 10 year anniversary to the last of us part 1, such a shame tho that they never got to make part 2.

#the last of us #tlou #nobody is more in denial about part 2 than me #i love part 1 so much but sometimes i can't even enjoy it knowing what happens in part 2 #anti tlou2 #it's not really but i don't want people to come for me for not tagging it

[aeirithgainsborough]

hi!!!! so i haven't played the game yet (sigh my dad has it but he lost it 😔) but i am very curious about how/if you think the show should adapt part two, given that it feels like such a shift from the morals and themes of part 1 (that the show seems to mostly be sticking to), and if they could make ellie ending up alone feel like a satisfying end (because right now. it absolutely doesn't look like it would be lol) anyways i'd love to hear your thoughts!!! 💗💗💗

oh that’s so easy for me to answer — no, I don’t think they should adapt it LOL. I’m gonna answer this under the cut so ppl who love the game don’t have to read my negativity about it.

It’s the most miserable ending and it’s so gratuitously violent. I slogged my way through it cus I’m autistic and a goblin about my special interests but i was very depressed playing it, i just wanted it to be over, and i wish i could purge it from my brain. i think it’s going to be especially hard for non-players to take tbh. if ppl thought the game was divisive, it’s going to be nothing on how ppl will react to the show imo. i also think it’s gonna be such a waste of the chemistry between pedro and bella.

for me, part 1 was so magical and special because despite the reality of that world and how hard and bleak it is, and what they have to do to survive, there was such joy and hope in it. it was funny at times and touching and full of so much love. for me ultimately that’s what it was - not a story about infected and hunters etc etc, they were bit players in it, but a love story. part 2 was not like that. i know people like to say ‘if you think it was a cautionary tale about revenge you’re not deep enough to get it’ (long way of calling ppl stupid lol) but it was quite literally a narrative neil came up with when he fantasised about murdering ppl in revenge. which says it all really. there’s no magic in it. there’s no joy. ellie’s worst fears are realised, she ends up alone completely. she’s painted as a villain when actually she’s so traumatised and has severe ptsd. ive seen so many comments all over different websites from people saying how much they hate her after part 2. how could they fuck it THAT badly? she deserved better. joel deserved better. and i really do not know how theyd fix that IF they were going to. craig loves part 2 and with neil there too it’s gonna be a beat for beat adaptation. i think it’s also important to note that there’s homophobia and transphobia that really was not necessary to the story in it so stay safe out there yall! also, the straight girl gets a redemption arc she’s a hero and she ends up where she wanted to be, whilst the lesbian (the first lesbian protagonist of an AAA game in fact) is made the villain and ends up alone. i will not be watching. ill be rewatching season 1 over and over, and playing part 1 and left behind, and pretending part 2 does not exist. none of part 2 is how joel and ellie’s story ends for me. if that means i lack nuance, so be it. id rather that than inflict the misery and appalling violence of part 2 on myself LOL. none of it is redeemable to me (apart from the birthday surprise section which i do watch on YouTube over and over haha).

#part 1 is violent in places but it’s not gratuitous imo you can stealth way more #and part 2 is like INSANE about it #it rlly was so uncomfortable #and poor ellie my poor girl #it always stood out to me that abby gets to play with dogs and ellie kills them #anyway for those who like part 2 enjoy the game enjoy s2 when it comes out live love laugh #but i won’t be going near it #anti tlou2 #the last of us spoilers

[pizzaboat]

How were there so many infected able to chase Joel, Tommy and Abby at the start of that godforsaken game??

20 years passed after the outbreak in the first game and you mainly found infected, in high densities, in the cities; where they'd been left to get worse over time

The forests were relatively clear, because how the fuck would infected make it all the way out there and survive the weather and actual survivors?

And the fact they were traveling in a swarm makes no fucking sense.. it's like a whole ass army of people got infected in those mountians and then just all went after Abby

Isn't this area near Jackson? Shouldn't they be concerned that there's more and more herds of infected that could eventually one day pile themselves up against the city walls?

There were never this many infected in the cities in the first game and now we're expected to believe thousands of people were getting infected around the same time, in the same place, to get to the first stage of infection in the forest of all places??

I can understand more stages of infected, but not a massive number increase in just the span of a few short years.

The second game man..

#the last of us #tlou2 #the last of us part 2 #anti tlou2 #joel miller #tlou tommy #tlou abby

[darklinaforever]

So... all this fanfictions where Ellie voluntarily sacrifices herself is so problematic to me, and pretty stupid. Or all those who claim that dying would be Ellie's decision and that it should be respected...

You're seriously telling me that a 14-year-old girl with the world's worst survivor syndrome can really, in good conscience, after all the trauma she's been through, choose to sacrifice herself for potentially (and I insist on this word, because nothing was certain) save the world ?!

I repeat, Ellie is a 14 year old teenager, full of very recent traumas, as well as suffering from horrible survivor syndrome ! Giving her such an important choice to make than to sacrifice himself to possibly save humanity with all of this in mind, is completely stupid ! Even worse if you take into account that it's not even sure to work !

Of course she would say yes ! Since she basically thinks that her life should compensate for the death of others, because of her immunity ! She's not mentally fit for that kind of choice !

People who support such bullshit, please wake up the fuck...

#the last of us part 1 ps5 #the last of us part one #the last of us part 1 #the last of us #the last of us hbo #tlou #joel miller #ellie williams #joel and ellie #ellie and joel #joel x ellie #ellie x joel #anti tlou2 #anti the last of us ii #anti the last of us part 2 #anti the last of us part two #ellie is not mentally fit to choose to sacrifice herself for humanity

[13taylorswifts]

Part 2 thoughts. Spoilers ahead if you're avoiding that ig.

Ok, so like. I was thinking of part 2. Where yk joel dies. I think like, with the way Ellie and Joel's last conversation was, if he knew saving Ellie from death would eventually make him die because of that, I don't think he would have chosen differently. He definitely gives off that he would trade his life so Ellie could live. I think he definitely didn't want Ellie to watch him get tortured to death, because he knows how painful watching someone you love die in front of you is, but like if he somehow knew that he would die because of what he did to rescue Ellie he would still do it. I've seen a lot of people say is this what Joel wanted for Ellie? All the revenge killing she went on after his death. He gives off the impression to me that he just wanted her to be happy to be alive. I don't think he'd like what Tommy did, telling Ellie about Abby and making her lose what she had with Dina at the end of Part 2.

Jerry was the one who didn't give Ellie a choice to begin with. Sure, Joel didn't give her one either, but at that point, he basically adopted her in his mind. Like, wouldn't most parents say, "FU doctor, I'm not letting you kill my kid?" Jerry was supposed to be a medical professional or whatever....I know that they're in an apocolypse and all, but if you swear to be a doctor, don’t you have to have informed decisions for your patients? And why did they give the impression that was he dependent on his daughter for protection outside? You're in an apocolypse dude...learn how to pick up a gun and dont make your child do it when they're not even an adult yet, maybe? Geez Jerry.

Anyways, I just miss Joel and Ellie dynamic and I had this thought at work and thought I'd share.

In another life it could have maybe worked if Jerry wasn't so much of an idiotic asshole. Lol

#im on tlou brainrot rn #this post kinda derailed into anti jerry but fuck jerry #the last of us #ellie williams #joel miller #ellie and joel #tlou part 2 #tlou

[cock-holliday]

Still talking about it, but ultimately, what was the point of any of it then? I’m clinging to the idea that Bruce and others’ influence at (and eventual swift departure from) Naughty Dog is indicative that there IS still meaning in the first one, but the idea that all of this is the natural conclusion renders so many powerful moments from the first game meaningless.

Ellie is characterized by her snark and wit and humor as well as her stubbornness, as well as a shining burst of hope and positivity. Joel, and by extension the player, would be foolish to think her optimism and hope are out of naivety though. But now, through both game 2 and the HBO show, the moments that prove that her desire for hope is in spite of what she’s been through out of conscious effort and not because of being sheltered becomes recontextualized to show she was silly for ever expecting a better outcome.

The pivotal moment of Ellie’s arc is the winter chapter. She has struggled against Joel’s helicoptering (which is only out of his OWN fear of losing her) and insistence she can’t protect herself, but now is on her own. She proves her capabilities, she shows her knowledge and grit and the grim reality that she is VERY aware of the world she lives in. She’s brave, she’s determined, but she’s also terrified. She’s a child. And at the conclusion of the arc, she kills the antagonist in defense, but also in rage and desperation and agony of everything she’s been through. She isn’t cruel. She is kind. She is kind to Joel, she is kind to Sam, she is kind to people and animals and things but has to do what she has to. And it hurts her.

Her optimism takes a blow. Her hope takes a blow. She becomes withdrawn and doubtful and is very very VERY clearly trundling towards the conclusion that after everything, she has to give her entire self to make up for the loss. Which is WRONG. Her conclusion is wrong! Her conclusion is from guilt, survivors guilt, from guilt from what she’s been forced to do, from adults placing sacrificial significance on her. She didn’t ask for this. It just happened to her, and the only shred of agency she has is in walking towards what could be her demise.

What powerful messages about hope and loss and trauma and trying to find the good in circumstances riddled with trauma an ambiguous ending is. And how subversive it would be to let her heal. Let Joel, her mirror in many ways, heal.

But no. Her trauma is actually the indication that even a sweet lovable young person is not free of evil. No, she should not be made out to be “pure”, this does nothing for her character and would hinder her growth too. But to make her out to be simply a slave to the “darkness of humanity” is…cruel. That taking agency is actually a sign of her violent impulses is cruel.

And ultimately what is the point? She’s not permitted much time with Joel in Jackson to heal. She doesn’t get to live peacefully with him. Her friends die or leave her, everyone who is still alive is scarred physically and mentally and will be a forever reminder of what she’s lost. She can’t connect to Joel in the one way she still could cling to throughout the second game.

Like what is the POINT? “After all we’ve been through. Everything I’ve done. It can’t be for nothing.” It WASNT! Not when she could heal, not when she could move on, not when she could learn that she is not responsible for humanity and the fate of the world does not rest on her shoulders. But she doesn’t get to heal. She gets to be blamed along with Joel for dooming humanity. All her understandable but unnecessary guilt turns out to be necessary, but with no resolution. There is nothing she can do to make it up, and nothing she gets to do to move forward. She loses everything.

And her only way forward is just surviving or dying. She can’t ever thrive now. She can’t ever heal. The farm portion of game 2 made that clear. Even away from everything there’s no escape. So there is no REASON to be hopeful or optimistic. The end of game 2 tries to suggest that NOW she can move forward but clearly she can’t! The second game makes her out to be a fool for being hopeful. Makes her naive for being kind and optimistic. Then punishes her brutally when the story forces her to abandon that hopefulness. That’s so fucked up.

#anti tlou2 #tlou #the last of us #tlou hbo #the last of us part 2

[notgoingwell]

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[ladyofthelake]

#the last of us spoilers #Im feeling salty and bitchy and yeah yeah everyone has their apocalypse stories and pain blah blah #BUT I COULDN'T CARE LESS ABOUT ABBY FUCK HER #UNFORGIVEABLE WHAT THEY DID IN PART 2 #anti abby