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thejasontoddarchives · 9 months
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Heartbreaking.
Batman #426 (1988)
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theocddiaries · 9 months
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Batman was never late.
But the dead weight he held, the lifeless eyes of his Robin, his Jason, his son, that returned his glare, told him otherwise.
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swugflower · 2 years
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Sometimes I wonder how the people that voted to kill of Jason Todd back in 1988 are doing. Like genuinely.
It’s so hilarious to me that DC asked “hey, wanna kill this kid?” And a couple thousand people answered “i sure do!”
Buck-fucking-wild!
I would love to know how these voters like Jason now and if they are mad that he came back. And if they like Red Hood.
And just how their day is going cause they seem like funny people
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dailyjasontodd · 1 year
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Hi, I'm looking at your Post-Crisis Robin section of the Jason reading list, and I'm wondering if you could tell me which ones specifically contain his death arc? Like, if I wanted to read /all/ the Jason-as-Robin comics /before/ reading his death, would I stop before a certain issue in the Batman #408-#426 section, read everything else on the list, then read the rest of that section + Death in the Family?
Hello! Okay that's weird, i must've made a typo in the list because it should stop at #425, Death in the Family starts in Batman #426, so that's when you should stop (the cover of the issues about death in the family say DEATH IN THE FAMILY in huge letters so consider that the stop signal). That aside, the list is in order of events, so all the comics before Death in the family should be read before death in the family, stopping at Batman #425.
A personal suggestion would be this order
Batman #408-#413
Detective Comics #568-#582
Blue Devil #19
Superman annual #11
New Teen Titans #18–#31
Batman Annuals #10-12
Dc Retroactive: Batman - The 80s
Batman: the Cult
Batman #414-425
A Death in the Family (Batman #426–429) --> he dies in this one, spoiler alert
The reason why i suggest this reading order is because one of the writers, Starlin, started writing Jason with a darker tone, and the build up to death in the family is more cohesive
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martyrbat · 5 months
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detective comics #591
[ID: a 1988 comic book ad for the (then upcoming) event Batman: A Death in the Family. The advertisement shows a black and white panel of Batman's silhouette in smoldering debris. You can partially see the shadow of Robin's leg hanging off to the side as Batman would be carrying him. The text promises in all caps: ‘SOMEONE WILL DIE. BATMAN 426 AND 427, BOTH ON SALE IN SEPTEMBER’. END ID]
BONUS:
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[ID: a letter sent in the same issue by Rick Hollingsworth (at 208 Hereford Drive, Steger, II. 60175). He wrote: ‘What's going on with the Jason Todd controversy? I'd like to place a vote that there be no Jason Todd in 'TEC. He has no place at all alongside the grim avenger of the night. Send the little Peter Pan to the Teen Titans or elsewhere and break the mold. From now on, it should be Batman and just Batman!’
The assistant editor Dan Raspler wrote back: ‘Now as far as Jason Todd Robin goes, you should take a look at the full-page ad this issue for “A Death in the Family” and think about picking up BATMAN #426 when it comes out. You said you wanted to place a vote. Well... my words get ahead of me. Just think about making history... (How's that for oblique, folks?)’ END ID]
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suhmayzooka · 2 years
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in my opinion, two retcons that have done significant damage to jason’s motivations/ideals and his potential as a character aren’t actually changes to jason’s history, but to his parents’
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punkeropercyjackson · 1 month
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It's finally here!!!
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Graphic design is my passion LMFAO but as i said i would do a while back,i've created a masterpost of all the Jason Todd content that's worth your time!This is rather long but he's existed since 1983 so!!
Base edit is my little sister @mayameanderings and tagging @coffeemilkcatz and @nanaonmars since they said yes when i asked if they wanted me to!Let's dive in then!
Batman 408-426,Detective comics 568-582,Superman annual 11,New Teen Titans 18-31,Blue Devil 19,Action comics 556 and 594,Batman Annuals 10-12 and Batman(The cult)for pre-reboot Robin!Jason my beloved
Nightwing Year One 101-106,New Teen Titans 55,Nightwing 10(1997)and Legends of the Dark Knight 100 for Dick and Jason siblinghood,Gotham Knights 34 for the short story of him and Alfred and Detective comics 790 for Bruce telling Cass about him as it takes place on Jason's birthday
Lost Days aka the Red Hood prologue
Under The Red Hood(2010)-The original comic is good in it's own right but the movie is leagues better written(Rare comic book adaption exception lmao)
Robin 177 and 182-183 for tha actual Tim and Jason beef instead of 'replacement' and 'enemy to caretaker' bs
Azreal:Death's Dark Knight 3(Can't give commentary on this one since i don't know Azreal like that,sorry)
Red Hood and The Outlaws(2016).Unlike the Utrh comic vs the Utrh movie,the original Rhato has nothing positive like the reboot
Not TECHNICALLY Jason BUT Duke is his favorite brother and Stephanie's the only Batfam girl he's truly close to so you should also stan them since he'd want you to /lh
Red Hood:Outlaw for the confirmation that Red Hood loves black women from infinity to infinityyyyy(meaning his love interest Dana Harlowe is introduced and featured as an mc in this run)
Urban Legends 1-6 for his return to the Batfam-Messy tbh but i do enjoy parts of it!
Task Force Z for him and Stephanie being a vigilante team and it has a prelude,that being Detective comics 1041-1043
Unkillables and Joker:The Man Who Stopped Laughing for Jayrose goodies and more of the above
Gotham War if you feel like turning off your brain to look at good art and laugh at dogshit writing
Red Hood:The Hill is his current run and when our queen Dana comes home from comics limbo!!!
The following is a misc list that's not required to include in your Jason knowledge but HIGHLY recommended you do just for fun!
Tiny Titans 23,29,33,39,45 and 47,Bombshells 46,60 and 62,Bombshells United 18-24,Lego Batman:Family Matters,A Death In The Family 2020,Batman:The Adventures Continue,Batman/Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles 5-6,The Doom That Came to Gotham 2023 and The Teen Titans Go episode 'The Best Robin'(Pre-Reboot Robin Jason rights!!!).Also look up 'Nobody cares about Tim Drake' if you don't know what that is,you'll love it
Jason also appears in the Lego DC Super Villains games that i highly recommend as well especially because my girlfriend is a mega fan of it and i don't know much about Lego Batman 3:Beyond Gotham but please avoid the aformentioned original Rhato,Red Hood:Outlaws and the Gotham Knights game as they feature extremely problematic writing not limited to but including racialized misogyny and ableism and do disservice to Jason himself anyway so you wouldn't want to consume them to begin with if you want to like him.I have mixed feelings on the Arkham Knight and Injustice games series' but they are objectively fairly good so i wouldn't say no to giving them a shot to see if you like them
And for the finale we have Wayne Family Adventures-Definitely a good read but to be totally honest it does Duke DIRTY and it sucks so much of DC to have marketed as his series to not only not follow through at all and make it an ensemble cast instead but ALSO deprive him of his actual characterization and story to make him a demure weak black boy stereotype.I won't judge you at all for liking it if you decided to read it or have already but kindly keep this in mind and consider joining me and my mutuals in our rewrite of it to give our Signal of Hope and Chaos the writing he deserves or at least support us through likes and reblogs!Happy Jason readings and have a good day💕
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boyfridged · 11 months
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grief is the defining force in "batman" as a title, but one thing that has always been utterly engrossing to me is that jay was once an outlier in what place this theme occupied in his narrative. for both bruce and dick, grief was motivational; grief was what pushed them into vigilantism. while they later utilised it in completely different ways; bruce became more stagnant and "frozen" in that moment, and for dick it was an impulse that made him more dynamic; they both viewed grief as a form of resolve (even if constituting a sisyphean task).
this is not the case for post-crisis robin jay.
jay enters the role of robin after standing up for justice that was based completely on his own moral intuitions and distaste for the criminal authority figure (the ma gunn' plotline). and while grief was there, it never served as an inspiration during his first missions.
the first time grief becomes entangled with his role as robin, it's in the two-face storyline ["batman" (1940) #410 – #411], when jay learns that bruce hid the fact that willis was murdered from him. he spends a day in his bed, before they encounter harvey on patrol, and jay tries at revenge. later, he merely cries, accusing bruce of "sparing him" knowledge of his father's demise– in other words, sparing him grief, while allowing him in the field at the same time. this is crucial in so far that jay doesn't seem to make a connection between combat and his grief. however, in response, bruce lectures jason about how grief inspires revenge, and how revenge has to be tempered into justice.
then grief becomes an important theme in the beginning of 'a death in the family,' something that i find to be often overlooked. first of all, jay is grieving after gloria. second of all, from the dialogue that is nowadays ignored because of all the retcons to the todd family story, we learn that jay is also still grieving after his parents. in "batman" (1940) #426 alfred informs: “i’ve come upon him, several times, looking at that battered old photograph of his mother and father, crying.”  to that, bruce contends: “in other words, i may have started jason as robin before he had a chance to come to grips with his parents' deaths.” and so bruce realises that the role of robin has not been beneficial for jay in grieving at all.
after years of mourning without closure, jason looks for the solution for his grief in moving on by finding a new family; since he thinks along with the role of robin, bruce is dismissing him as his son, he goes on the journey to find his biological mother instead. in my eyes, this has always been a salient moment. it shows that jay is still searching for relief in mourning in civilian life. this is his first intuition. of course, it does not stop him from turning to his secret identity when he realises sheila is in danger; it does not protect him from his death either.
but the lesson that bruce tried to teach jason in his early robin days was not lost. it was very much learned, and the consequences are tragic; the plot of the utrh is evidence of that. there, the narrative regarding grief aligns with what it has always been in "batman": it becomes a drive to vigilantism. jay is no longer pursuing closure in the civilian dimension. grief becomes something to be "tempered" into justice. and as bruce knows, the line between justice and vengeance is very thin.
so just as bruce is forever frozen in the loop of the memory of his parents' death, jason is now stuck in the moment of his death (and of the loss of his father.) both of their pleads are: no one else, never again. both of them seem to consider themselves exempt from this rule, subjecting themselves to reliving their pain to keep fighting.
still, the defining difference remains; jay's grief not only motivates his vigilantism. vigilantism is also the primary root of this grief. and years ago, he has not seen grief as a matter to be solved by vigilantism at all.
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damianbugs · 2 months
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i often include some obscure symbolism in my fics without any real desire to point them out but i was rereading an old piece of mine and remembered one i was rather proud of;
it's from YOU MUST KNOW LIFE TO KNOW DECAY. which is a canon-adjacent story about jason's experience with rain throughout his life. it spans over many years, starting from before his parent's death, to the present as red hood.
the rain itself is the massive metaphor and motif, obviously, but within that i snuck in some other key aspects to jason's character. the one i want to talk about it from the second section of the fic (unofficially dubbed "No!" and the period in time where jason was homeless):
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in this scene jason's belongings have been dumped out of his bag into the rain over a misunderstanding, amongst these scarce objects are two things — an old book belonging to Willis Todd, and a photograph of Catherine Todd (the one jason has at his place when bruce comes to find him in Batman (1940) #408).
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this photo always fascinated me and so i wanted to give it its own backstory. this moment however has two stories happening. a story of sacrifice for Willis, and the story of grief for Catherine.
the book willis used to love and jason remembers him reading often is the last remaining object the boy has to his father (because most of his belongings were left with his neighbour, and jason doesn't get those back until Batman (1940) #426).
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unlike a picture or a letter, this book is a vessel between them, nothing about it actually is Willis' other than the memory attached to it. a nod to the fact that even in death, he had nothing other than the memory he left with his family.
catherine however has a picture, something that is entirely hers, but even that is all it is; her face. jason is young when his mother dies, and as he grows up, he'll soon forget the memories he made with her, but he'll never forget her face because of this last photo he has. her existence, prior to the disease and suffering and death, is forever immortalised for jason. she exists only before her death.
neither willis nor catherine are ghosts that follow jason. he mourns them and misses them deeply (and this grief is the entire catalyst for why he runs away in A Death in The Family) — but they don't come to him when he's doused with fear toxin or battling exhaustion. he doesn't see them when he closes his eyes. because they are not concepts he mourns.
they are a book, a photo, people he has lost forever. jason being a young carer, would have had to watch his mother slowly die to her disease, so he knows death in its raw forms. i have spoken before about how jason views love and loss, as being very literal and blunt understandings, and it's the same here.
so, we have a book and a photograph.
the book being destroyed by the rain is another nod to the modern characterisation of Willis Todd (in both canon and fanon). of the explicitly abusive and negligent father. how his character being "ruined" is usually to paint catherine as the weak and pitiful victim of circumstance and nothing more. neither of them have any true personality other than their surface level one's, which are often classist and ignorant.
on the other hand, willis' book being ruined but protecting the photograph of catherine underneath is to represent his story in jason's life. he was an absent idea because he was working to provide for them, jason didn't really know him outside of this story, and willis dies as a mere idea for his family.
it's not enough, however. willis dies, but it's still raining. catherine's photo may have been saved by some of the rain, but jason is still homeless and he will still have to endure it alone.
the second section of this fic is the saddest one to me, because while jason is the only todd present in this scene, there are three stories being told.
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thejasontoddarchives · 9 months
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He disappears to Virginia when he gets fed up with Bruce/ the batfamily lol
In all seriousness it’d be so sweet if he built a small little safe house/cabin where all these other belongings of his parents are now stored. He goes there to relax and unwind in peace.
Batman: A Death in the Family (Batman #426 (1988))
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strunmah-mah · 4 months
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I was thinking about how people (comics and fandom both) talk about Robin Jason, how reckless he was, whether or not he had anger issues, but no one (comics of fandom) ever talk about Death in the Family's (admittedly brief) implication that Jason's grief for his parents made him suicidal and that's where his recklessness came from.
Batman #426 Jason jumps the gun on rounding up some baddies, Bruce calls him out on nearly getting himself killed and asks if he thinks this a game. To which Jason very nihilisticly replies, "Of course, all life's a game"
And then on the next page Bruce makes a comment about Jason acting like "someone looking to die" and Alfred immediately transition to talk about the fact that Jason's hiding the fact that he's grieving.
It's an implication that gets buried by the rest of the story, but it's definitely there.
And it's easy to see how Jason would get there. Whether she died of drugs or illness Jason must have spent a long time watching his mother wither and fade. In contrast his Father's death was so abrupt he spent ages not even knowing it had happened.
Ans so with deaths so wildly different but equally arbitrary, he comes to the conclusion nothing is really safe. So why shouldn't he throw himself full force at each case when each has the same chance of killing him?
It's tragic then, that meeting Sheila, finding out he has a living parent. Something which likely abates his suicidality, is what does end up killing him.
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cleromancy · 6 months
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jasons got so much black and white thinking at times like. if Bruce can't do this for me he never loved me. if Bruce never loved me i am unlovable. if im unlovable i might as well be hated for something ive done instead of something i am...
its that last one thats the only thing that really keeps me firmly in camp shrodingers felipe... like i vehemently disagree that jason having done it is like "proof" he was ~already bad~ or ~too damaged~ or whatever the fuck dumbshit. like morally speaking jason weighed this mans life over the life of his next victim and made a choice and while you don't have to agree with him, or judy koslosky for that matter (batman 422, jason goes on to paraphrase her in lost days)... like, come on. it was explicit that the law and batman couldn't touch him, he bragged he was gonna do it again, jasons options as presented to him were "let him" or "kill him".
but the reason i continue to like the ambiguity there about whether or not jason did kill the guy is because bruces reaction... i mean my god, compare and contrast ollies reaction when 16-year-old *mia* thought she had to kill someone while ollie visibly disagreed-- ga 39:
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ga 40:
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^ btw this is also one reason OF MANY why i kill and eat anyone who compares ollie negatively to bruce. fava beans nice chianti etcetera etcetera
(dinah also reams him out about it more in this same issue while they're breaking up. read green arrow 2001 ����)
anyway. fuckin buce by contrast
batman (1940) 424
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just to start. (ditf starts at issue 426 btw.) (also god starlin is such a hack. Bruce directly causes the deaths of 3 people in 425-- two by jumping out of the way of gunfire so they hit each other, one by accidentally knocking over an unstable pile of cars. but sure, Jason's the one who can't handle it.)
anyway. all this just to say that if jason truly did not kill felipe but bruce believed he did and that leads directly to him feeling so unloved that he runs away to find his birth mom and yknow. gets murdered bc she sold him out bc, from his perspective, *she* also found him unlovable...
jason todd should have killed more people 🤷
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zefforuins · 2 months
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Batman (1940) #426 // Batman: Arkham Knight (2015) - Arkham Knight Audio File #2 // Batman (1940) #650
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stealingyourbones · 1 year
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DPXDC Prompt Masterlist #401-450
401. Bat Tutor
402. Time to Give an Old Friend a Call...
403. Wes Weston, Reporter for the Gotham Gazette
404. Unwanted Heirloom: The Ghost King's Contract
405. Danny: CCPN Photographer
406. Danny: Gotham Biochemist
407. New Management and Better Ghost Gear
408. Ancient Flowers for Poison Ivy
409. Fix and Unthaw (Dr. Freeze)
410. Sam finds Injured Jason
411. Dangerous Feedback (GL)
412. Batman took Ghost Drugs
413. Wes Weston finds Jason Todd
414. Magic and Monster Fucker (John Constantine)
415. Glow In The Dark Eyes (Wes)
416. Constantine meets Clockwork
417. Ghostly Wing AU
418. Do Not Enter: Radiation Hazard (DP)
419. Eldritch Dreams and Nightmares
420. Danny is Terry's Dad
421. Jason's Aunt: Sam Manson
422. Jason Watches his Death Again
423. GZ Out of Sync with Reality (Fav Prompts)
424. What a Tall Woman
425. Jason Time Swap AU (Fav Prompts)
426. Jason Rewatches the Titan Tower Incident
427. John Constantine Saves Danny
428. Only Liminal People can see Ghosts. Tim isn't Liminal
429. Danny Possesses Jason's Motorcycle.
430. Killer Moth's Sidekick
431. Impaired Speaking Jason with Ghost Speak (Fav Prompts)
432. Jason and Jazz go to the same Gym
433. Oracle meets Jazz Fenton
434. Danny thinks GL's are Ghosts
435. Maddie is Friends with Jim Gordon (Fav Prompts)
436. Danny owns a DC Character's Soul
437. Tech Disaster
438. Dani meets Dick Grayson.
439. Dick Mistakes Jazz as Babs
440. Billy's Twitch Chat Rants
441. Kwan works in the Wayne PR Dept.
442. Ra's tries to Clone Tim. Instead Teleports Dani
443. Danny meets the Ghost of Robin
444. Twinsies! (Damian and Danny family bonding)
445. Damian gets Revived. Wakes up in GZ
446. Danny is Wayne's Personal Pilot (Fav Prompts)
447. Tim Drake's Secretary: Daniel Fenton (Fav Prompts)
448. Golden Age Superman Meets Danny
449. Dan Phantom and Jason Todd are Bros
450. The Speedforce rejects the GZ
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inhousearchive · 1 year
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A 1988 house-ad for Batman (1940) #426-427, advertising ‘Death in the Family’. Art by Jim Aparo.
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reachartwork · 7 months
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Noblesse oblige isn't any more leftist than the individualist power fantasy tho 😭 That superhero post is such dogshit I seriously can't believe u reblogged it without comment... I'm at a loss for words how can anyone think that's compatible with any kind of progressive thought and not just white supremacy/white man's burden repackaged in a kinder, empathetic wrapper?? Like I'm not demanding u take it down or anything (which would be silly to expect regardless of content) I literally just want to understand how someone otherwise reasonable and generally thoughtful can square such a thoroughly reactionary concept with an otherwise progressive value system (which admittedly is something I've projected onto you as I don't actually Know you but seems a reasonable assumption to make based on how you present yourself)
note: extremely sleep deprived but also i think the point of noblisse oblige requires one be of noble status or otherwise privileged which the common superhero fantasy is not really about! almost every single superhero in modern times "lucked into it", iirc even superman is just normal without our super special sun empowering him or some shit like that (if you point out batman to me i'm throttling you, with love). anyway, nitpicking aside:
with all respect anon i think framing the idea of "someone getting power and using it to help people instead of becoming a tyrant" as something that's bad is an antisocial point of view, to say the least. i think framing it in the language of the white man's burden is......... strange, to say the least. there's a severe difference between "the supposed obligation of white people to manage their supposed lessers because they're supposedly too dumb to do it themselves" and "saving people's lives in an emergency situation". helping people is good! having the ability to help people and not doing so is bad - in my religion (judaism) it's in fact explicitly prohibited[1]. wanting the power and ability to help people because you as a normal mortal person feel helpless in the modern world is not exactly a power fantasy i would call "white supremacist" in its core messaging, even if many modern cape comics and stories end up taking that bend by virtue of many authors just being bad.
the *reason* i reblogged that post was mainly to make a pithy joke about chum. but also i think if you view the idea of craving the ability to be a helper in the world we live in the day as, like, a reactionary concept, i think that says more about you than it does about what is otherwise a fairly milquetoast feel good post.
if i had superpowers i would become a first responder with them! this is something i think about all the time, so much so i have written 250,000 words about it in the past three months.
works cited:
[1] Shulchan Arukh, Choshen Mishpat 426
bonus reading:
The Golem and the Jewish Superhero, Jacob Geller
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