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justanotherhamiltrash · 2 days

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Hamilton, telling a story: When I was little...

The Schuyler Sisters: [Brace for the absolute worst]

#hamilton #alexander hamilton #the schuyler sister #angelica schuyler #eliza schuyler #elizabeth schuyler #peggy schuyler #and peggy #incorrect hamilton quotes #hamilton incorrect quotes #incorrect hamilquotes

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icarusbetide · 22 hours

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#save elizabeth schuyler hamilton from male biographers 2024

Just got pissed off so bad. I'm in the middle of reading Burr, Hamilton, and Jefferson: A Study in Character, which presents an intriguing argument that Burr deserves to be put back into the Founding Father Pantheon, so to speak. The author doesn't shy away from hitting hard against the idea that Jeff & Ham were morally superior to Burr, and I was on board! Ready to go!

But then. During the discussion of the women in each of their lives, the author decides the best way to further promote Burr's attitude towards women compared to Jefferson and Hamilton is to disparage Martha Jefferson & Elizabeth Hamilton?

On Martha Jefferson:

Martha Wayles Skelton had been a widow, and none of Jefferson's biographers, even the resourceful Fawn Brodie, has been able to tell us much about her—from the solitary letter remaining to us in her hand or the accounts of their contemporaries—beyond the general impression that she was handsome, musical, and frail.

On Elizabeth Hamilton:

Hamilton's Elizabeth was an heiress, the daughter of an upstate squire, Philip Schuyler, with Livingston and van Rensselaer connections. She was plain, straightforward, loyal, and neurasthenic, endured his flagrant and frequent infidelities, and lived to the brink of the Civil War.

I'm sorry, I don't know enough about Martha J. to protest to her characterization, but I think I can say something about Eliza. Plain? Neurasthenic? And once again, annoyed at the lack of citation or evidence for flagrant and frequent infidelities - but putting that aside, even if it were true, I don't like how her staying in her marriage is subtly implied to be some failure or at least less interesting than a woman who didn't "endure" them. There's a lack of consideration of both her own strength & the societal circumstances of that time that would have influenced her actions.

On Theodosia:

Her character emerges from their large and fervent correspondence. She was confident, well connected, well read, beautiful even after a burn scarred her face, witty, worldly, and full of expectations of him.

Okay. The author saw the point and it sailed over his head. "From their large and fervent correspondence" is key here. Like I said earlier, I don't know enough about Martha Jefferson, but I bet that "handsome, musical, frail" is probably not an all-encompassing picture of her. The similarity between her and Eliza? We don't have the letters that they wrote to their husbands. It's unfair to judge Theodosia (don't get me wrong! she was well read and intelligent, that's not what i'm denying) from her correspondence with Burr, but then not acknowledge that the lack of that perspective would impact how we view the other two women.

And to top it all off:

Unlike Jefferson's and Hamilton's, Burr's character was molded by the love of a woman of immense force and intelligence.

Neither Hamilton nor Jefferson married a woman who evidenced such force of character and independence of view.

Jesus Christ. There's plenty to criticize about Jefferson & Hamilton, and I really wanted to see a well-reasoned argument about Burr's character and whatnot but this lacks nuance and is unnecessarily dismissive. It pisses me off that a book that seems determined to break down the idolized version of Hamilton, somehow ends up using his wife to further their angle, just like biased Hamiltonian biographies. In both cases, Eliza is the plain, unintelligent, steadfast wife. For sympathetic authors like Chernow, that's somehow justification for the Reynolds affair. For Roger G. Kennedy, that's used in an argument against her husband. "Let's talk attitude towards women! Hamilton & Jefferson didn't have intellectual wives! Point for Burr!"

I don't know nearly enough about Martha Jefferson to say anything of merit, but really?

To give credit where credit is due, I think Kennedy is trying to make the point here that Theodosia Bartow Burr was a major influence on Burr, as "Burr's character blossomed in the radiance of his wife and mentor". He also goes on to talk about various genuine reasons why Burr's attitude towards women is noteworthy. But I still don't like the way he dismissed the other two women as what? Not smart enough to help their husbands' characters blossom? Maybe there's merit to this book outside of this one section, The Women, but right now I'm not in the mood. Am I being dramatic? Idk.

#aughh i'm pissed so maybe i'm being too dramatic #idk let's post it on the internet for everyone to see. smart decision.#alexander hamilton #thomas jefferson #aaron burr #martha jefferson #elizabeth schuyler #elizabeth hamilton #theodosia bartow burr #historical hamilton #amrev #elizabeth schuyler hamilton

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badeyesightdog · 1 month

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#hamilton fanart #hamilton #alexander hamilton #hamilton musical #thomas jefferson #john laurens #george washington #eliza #elizabeth schuyler #amrev

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chloerie · 10 months

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(Modern AU.)

Hamilton: I know some of you see Threads as the successor to Twitter but I personally hope both apps burn to the ground

Eliza who just wants her husband to sleep with her: Alexander what the actual fuck-

Source: @staffs-secret-blog

#hamilton incorrect quotes #hamilton #elizabeth schuyler #alexander hamilshit #I fucking love that tag

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ruemzip · 4 days

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I'M NOT CRAZY JOHN ELIZA AND ANGELICA STAY IN THE LIGHT

Some people told me the "helpless" in the Satisfied workshop is not John's BELIVE ME

#hamilton musical #hamilton #john laurens #lams #angelica schuyler #elizabeth schuyler #satisfied

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unicornsaures · 1 month

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the new mlp meme where it’s like “the beautiful bride and her ugly ahh groom” is so hamliza

absolutely

betsey what are u doing with him..😭..

#alexander hamilton #elizabeth schuyler #amrev #eliza hamilton #hamliza #asks

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lovebeatriceplz · 4 days

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My toxic trait is confidently believing that i can sing all the parts in non - stop, simultaneously, by myself.

#ok so maybe i sound like I'm having a stroke and??🙄#I always do well with Angelica's part #trust me it's possible #just use the power of friendship #oh how i love singing #hamilton #hamilton musical #alexander hamilton #aaron burr #elizabeth schuyler #eliza #eliza hamilton #angelica schuyler #musical #theatre #musical theatre #non stop #hamilton an american musical #lin manuel miranda

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jadelemonadee · 1 month

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i present to you…

victims of cinnamonroll-ification

#hamilton #hamilton musical #john laurens #james madison #elizabeth schuyler #elizabeth hamilton #samuel seabury

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hamiflik · 1 month

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Some Hamilton(musical) arts, I’m hope it don’t look bad. Because if be true, I have feelings like “yee all my arts for my it’s my children and I love my arts, but maybe for another people it’s the real shit”. 😗🕯

#art #lams #hamilton musical #john laurens #alexander hamilton #elizabeth schuyler #digital art #meme

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haley-lana · 1 year

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it's 2023 and I'm still crying over people who have been dead for over 200 years

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alexanderhamiltonhasafatass · 3 months

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Yes girl!!

#elizabeth schuyler #eliza schuyler #eliza hamilton #elizabeth hamilton #this idea came out of my ass

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icarusbetide · 1 month

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i love reading hamilton's letters to elizabeth when they were in their courtship because sometimes it goes like:

hahaha (laughs in cody ko frat bro) you're so hot babe...i bet you're only dating me because you feel bad for me or something...hahaha...unless 👀... betsey? do you really like me? betsey why aren't you writing back betsey-

this bitch was double-checking, triple-checking that eliza liked him. you know. as a man. right? yeah you said you're gonna marry me but it's unclear. i'm not rich btw :( will you hate me one day??

#the insecurity really jumped out #i bet eliza was getting these letters going “wtf”#alexander hamilton #eliza hamilton #historical hamilton #hamliza #hamilton #amrev #elizabeth schuyler

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badeyesightdog · 3 months

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