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#FINALE DENIALIST KING
ohsalome · 2 years
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On war goals, lies and personal responsibility
One of arguments I’ve heard used by Holodomor denialists is that “There is no singular document that specifically assigns genocide as the aim of Holodomor, and therefore it didn’t happen”, and it got me thinking. Every war, every authoritarian operation, every war crime has a final goal it’s supporsed to achieve. Whether it is written down or not, it determines the general strategy of the operation and needs to be communicated from the military leaders to their subordinates. And I argue that if there is no General Execution Order, but everyone from the higher administration to the ordinary soldier understands that their goal is extermination of ukrainian people, then there is no difference.
As an example, let’s look at the behaviour of russian army on the occupied territories. They systematically use rape and torture as a weapon against civillian population, and the field grade personel does not punish this behaviour, de-facto reinforcing it. However, I bet that we will never find an instruction that will specify in which poses are those soldiers supporsed to rape ukrainian women and what to tell them during the assault. But somehow, the victims tell us similair stories: that russian soldiers are directly telling them that they are doing this “to make them despise men and never have children, so that ukrainians will die out”. Even if they were given no direct orders to do this, they understand the goals their commanders pursue and put them to life the way they can.
On the other end of spectrum, let’s take an example from WW2. Holocaust was a directly stated policy of the Third Reich, and they enforced it in every country they occupied. When the german forces entered Denmark, they demanded the jewish population of the country to be handed over. And the king of Denmark, Christian X, refused to do that. At that point, Denmark had no army, little to no police, and no way to enforce their will. However, surprisingly, instead of beginning the pogroms, the german occupying forces shared their plans with the danish government, which allowed the entire jewish population of the country to be saved. One can only deduce that the germans, knowing the goals of their countiry’s policies, purposefully sabotaged them. Perhaps, they understood the utter barbarity of the Holocaust, and perhaps, living under an authoritarian regime, they were afraid opposing it openly (as they could get arrested by the police, and, god forbid, fired. Like, can you imagine*), so they did what the could in their situation - sabotage.
And I want us all to understand that such course of actions is very possible for russian soldiers today. Since the very beginning of the war, Ukraine has addressed russian soldiers, appealing them to capitulate and hand over weapons & equipment in excange for full amnesty and financial compensation. Some agreed. Yet most did not. And when they get captured by our soldiers, they cry crocodile tears and promise they didn’t know they were going to slaughter ukrainians. Even though the papers they signed clearly show they were aware and willing. Even though, months and years ago, they have been threating us with "conquering Kyiv in 4 days". Even though the intercepted phone calls show them bragging about “shooting hohols”. Even though they pack condoms, when going to war. And then their tearful western sympathyzers are flooding inboxes of ukrainians, calling for us to take pity on those “poor, innocent boys, who are just as much victims of putin as you (and maybe more!)."
I began this talk with Holodomor. Despite what tumblr pseudo-historians want you to believe, there is a consensus between historians that it was a genocide organised by the USSR against Ukraine. They came to this conclusion through careful analysis of documents, testimonials and other forms of evidence, viewed within the context of Ukrainian history. “There was no document that stated genocide as a goal” doesn’t matter. If one piece of the puzzle is missing, you still can see the full picture. Except when you don’t want to. If you are so afraid of the real world that you cling to the illusion of a fair universe, where every crime is openly communicated, and every pain is only a punishment for a misdeed. So you hide behind the meaningless papers, the empty “both sides are wrong” statements, the debunked fakes. And if this is how you choose to live, it isn’t my place to cruelly throw you into the real world. But, kindly and respectfully, shut the fuck up about war in Ukraine. You don’t know anything about us, you refuse to learn anything about us, and yet you think you have any right to dictate us what should we do when our literal existance is under the threat of extinction.
P.S. Oh, and also, russian KGB archives are still closed, so we have no ability to say whether or not a document on the “final solution of the ukrainian question” ever existed or not.
* If this phrase sounded extremely sociopathic to you and you wanted to write me an angry message saying I’m a fascist for sympathyzing with literal nazis, perhaps you should stop using the same argument in defence of literal russian nazis in the midst of the genocide of my people.
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caswlw · 3 years
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jensen: how can i talk about the finale and how i don’t think it makes sense hmm. i know i’ll keep saying dean wouldnt ever die from vampires fully well knowing that’s exactly how dean dies i am very smart
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angeltiddies · 3 years
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zoom call
fan: so i loved the finale !!
jensen:
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chocolatecakecas · 3 years
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sir, just pick up your phone
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I present to you, The Villain Origin Story of the Sexy Silence. 
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“Q: When the story finishes, would you like to have all the answers, and all the threads tied up, or do you like to be left wondering?
Misha:  I like to be left wondering. Um - I like - for example - here’s a good example; did you guys see - Three Billboards...
Jensen:  I can think of some on the way in.
Misha: Yes, that’s what I’m talking about - but I loved the ending of that movie, because we didn’t know what was going to happen, and I found that immensely satisfying.
Jensen: ...I do not. Um, I -I  would like it to have, uh - an ending.  Um, it reminds me of - uh - uh something I just recently learned; you know -  when you get a song stuck in your head?  Finish the song and it won’t be stuck in your head anymore.
Jared:  True.
Jensen: Your brain is actually trying to finish it. It needs closure.  
Jared:  That’s true.  It’s weird.
Jensen: So for me, I need that.  Like, I want - uh, I need, like a clear-cut, kind of - finale to it.  Because it helps me move on, because otherwise - its like - jerks.
BONUS:
Jensen: Now I’m going to be thinking about that for however long.
Jared: But what if the story, does have the threads, uh - uh, all the loose ends tied up, but the loose ends tied up means we’re all dead.
Jensen: WAIT WHAT ARE WE TALKING ABOUT HERE?!
Jared: ...Supernatural.
Jensen: Why did- OH OKAY. I thought we were talking about life.
DOUBLE BONUS:
Jensen: So we’re just dead? But here’s the problem - if we’re talking about the story of Supernatural, dying is not a finality. So - next??”
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-jibcon 2018
REF: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3H9XhE999vY (start at 11:14)
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monstermoviedean · 3 years
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okay you GOTTA watch the video he included himself in the list of people in denial about cas' love AND he started to say he was happy the show ended where it did but changed midstream to being happy his character's arc ended where it did. finale denialist KING
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sir-elyan · 3 years
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As someone who stopped watching the show years ago, I just want to say thank you to all the current spn fans who took the hit for us. If I had kept up with the show and gotten that finale, I would have been very disappointed (to put it mildly). But now that I know the ending was awful, I'm really excited to do a rewatch of the show without any strings attached (if that makes sense) and just not watch the last few eps of s15. So yeah, thank you and good morning to all the finale denialists!!
FINALE DENIALISTS RISE!!! hell yes you go into it knowing that 15x18 is the true finale!! just like king of denialists jensen ackles did!! so much respect for you 💞 keep living your best life
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ghostsgerard · 3 years
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finale denialist king
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deaneverafter · 3 years
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Whoops, Jensen really went full throttle finale denialist, Dean girl, huh?
His absolute disdain any time the finale was mentioned, his determined refutation of this being the end of Dean's story, the subtle shade 👌🏻💯💓
We stan an actual king 👑❣
(Which isn't to say that I wouldn't love him with my whole heart if he'd said he liked the finale eventually or just something completely unhinged, because he's the one man who has all the rights, and those rights include being the only person allowed to say whatever he wants about this show as far as I'm concerned, but still. It was a nice sight to behold)
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jackles didn't post about dean's birthday because he's a finale denialist and if he were to publicly acknowledge thee date he'd have to go with the network's version of dean's ending, and our king ain't bout that life, no sir. he threw dean a birthday party up in the mountains, he loves him so
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sharkfish · 4 years
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ps i loved this one
(rereading bookmarks edition)
i’ve been rereading stories from my bookmarks as a comfort thing. i’m getting real deep in there to stuff i haven’t (re)read for years, and damn do i have good taste. the ones i’ve read recently that you should, too: 
(under the cut so i’m not that asshole that makes you scroll past an endless post) 
A Change of Scene by SurlyCat
When Dean goes over to see his Dom on Christmas Eve, he isn't expecting Cas to play naughty Santa, and neither of them is expecting how it turns out for them.
ooooomg fuck me up with that sex to lovers thing featuring bdsm. yessssss 
A Room of His Own (or not) by Valinde (Valyria)
Dean took a deep breath and reassessed the situation. He was in bed with a guy, sure, and technically they were snuggling, but it was Cas. The guy had absolutely no reference on what was appropriate physical contact between two dudes sharing a bed in the... normal, completely unsexy, no-funny-business, way.
cas is fallen, dean is confused (what else is new), A+ cuddling. that’s the fic. 
Boys On Film by LoversAntiquities @tragidean​ 
But maybe that’s what it is—maybe Castiel’s finally realized something Dean is too chicken to admit, despite the fact he’s been jerking off to the idea of Castiel fucking him for the past few weeks. The idea warms him as much as it pains him to think about, his friend not being able to talk to him about something like that. That has to be it—it’s the only explanation. Castiel likes him.
“Or maybe he knows you do cam shows.”
Dean chokes on his burger.
idk what to say, i love a good sex worker fic and here you go. @tragidean​ is always here with that first-class content. 
Castiel's Angel by Valinde (Valyria) @valinde​
The angel took a deep breath and looked down at his hands. He was fidgeting Cas noticed. Usually he was so bizarrely at ease in his human form, lounging around and tossing winks and smirks at anyone with a pulse. That more than anything had Cas straightening on his stool and wishing he was a little less tipsy.
“Ineedyoutogroommywings,” Dean muttered in one long, almost unintelligible, string. He was blushing.
all my fellow wing hos should flock* to this fic. i also love me a good switcharoo with angel dean (and hunter cas, as this is an alternate canon universe). and dean gets all claim-y, which is also my jam. 
*this was unintentional but a pretty funny joke 
For Science! by pm_lo 
Selected transcripts and supporting materials from Dr. Castiel Williams and Dean Winchester’s seminal study on physiological and psychological sexual response by gender designation.
i believe this was the first abo fic i added to my bookmarks. story time: many, many moons ago, i kept track of my reading list. i was doing that “50 books a year” thing so it was mostly for tracking that, but i had another tab for fics, because i read few enough that i could track them. i rated things and sometimes left notes, and by all the abo ones i was like “don’t tell anyone i read this.” yes, i shamed myself for liking abo. it was a dark time in my life.
anyway, then i read this, and was like, all right i can see what’s going on here.
this is a great fic for multiple reasons, and the format is one. it’s written as dialogue-only transcripts from their experiment. it’s hard to make that kind of format work, but pm_lo ain’t fucking around. 
Just a Stranger On the Bus by Amelia_Clark 
December 31 9:32 PM When Castiel boards the bus in KC, they think it’s empty at first—but when they toss their backpack onto an aisle seat and climb in after it, there’s a muffled yelp from the dimness at the back of the bus. They turn in time to see a man in a faded Carharrt jacket, sitting up and yawning as he rubs sleep out of his eyes. The man’s hair is greasy and matted down on one side, and there’s drool on the side of his face; nonetheless, he’s ridiculously good-looking.
“Hey man,” he says. Castiel does not correct him. “This can’t be Chicago.”
the non-binary tag, just like the trans tags in general, are a house half-built and left to rot in the rain. even if that wasn’t true, this series is goddamn amazing. also there’s rimming. also there’s a line in there that said something like “they don’t dislike their body, it just never felt like theirs” and i had a lightbulb moment irt my own experience. did dean ever wear carharrt in the actual series? if not, mistakes have been made. 
Just Turn Around and Go by PorcupineGirl @porcupine-girl​
Dean should be happy. His best friend and housemate of five years, Castiel, is moving out to live with his boyfriend, Balthazar. Dean's career is going great, so he can easily afford the house on his own now. This is just growing up, moving forward to the next phase of their lives.
It would be awesome, if he weren't in love with Cas.
Well, here we go, he thinks as he opens the refrigerator and digs around for sandwich supplies. First day of the rest of your life. Time to move the fuck on. As he slams his meat and mayo and pickles down on the counter, he considers adding the bottle of whiskey he knows is hiding in the cabinet, but decides that he has enough self-respect to wait 'til five. Then he'll get fucking blackout drunk. Yep. Awesome.
y’all, do i even have to say anything about this? roommates to friends to a pathetic amount of pining without saying shit to disgustingly in love. also i think i cried, but i’ve been in tears so many times in the last week, who’s to say. 
Plus One by ceeainthereforthat @ceeainthereforthat​ 
Castiel Novak might have to attend three weddings in two months, but he’s not about to let his brother play matchmaker. His family’s Internet streaming company is too important to let a relationship steal his time, but he knows exactly what to do–hire someone to pretend to be his boyfriend.
Dean Winchester has worked five-star hospitality long enough to know how to fit in with Castiel’s crowd, and this job could score him the connections to make his acting career take off. It’s a business deal, no matter how they’re drawn to each other. When the lines of their contract start to blur into real feelings, can they withstand Castiel’s family and jealous fans working to split them up?
there are a lot of great fake dating stories out there, but this one takes the cake (or, at least, a slice of it). also, i cried a lot rereading this, both “ohhh god i love their love” tears and also “ohhhh god this hurts so bad” tears. 
Should've Just Asked by Annie D (scaramouche) 
Despite their age gap and differing social circles, Castiel has struck up a warm friendship with Mary Winchester, a wealthy widowed socialite. When Castiel needs a place to stay, Mary invites him into her house, where there’s loads of spare room. Castiel’s aware that they make an odd pair, but he doesn’t fully realize how things look to outsiders, especially to Mary’s eldest son. All Dean Winchester sees is that his mom has apparently hooked up with a hot young guy (who is totally Dean’s type) and that makes things… weird.
they’re both oblivious idiots in love, cas is grey-ace, dean’s a total dork, it’s all just very lovely (and frustrating in the way oblivious idiots can be!!!). 
PS - annie d is writing marvel fic lately and i’m sure it’s fantastic if you’re into that kind of thing. 
Support Your Local Gay Beekeeper by Powerfulweak
It’s not like Dean goes on Grindr very often, just when he’s bored and alone. The blue-eyed guy's profile reads "Beekeeper, 29, 5'10, Single, I watch the bees." Dean is intrigued. He has to send a message.
this is a series that starts with some great phone sex and then goes on to very, very awkward sex injuries. a goddamn cringefest that had me in complete horror imagining it. but it’s fun! they persevere! people so rarely write about Sex Going Wrong and i love @powerfulweak​ for taking the bullet for us on that one. 
Take Me Home Tonight by Persephoneshadow @persephoneshadow​
“Come on, we’re finding you someone to…engage with sexually or whatever,” Dean explains, chancing another swig of beer before going on. “Anyone in this bar, no limits, who would you would be your top choice to bang?” “Well, you, ideally.” Dean spits out some beer before collapsing in on himself, legitimately choking this time. “Excuse me?!” ---- Or the one where Cas wants to have sex and Dean is there to help.
your classic denialist “i’ll be your wingman” turning to “actually imagining someone else touching you makes me want to punch someone.” which is dumb, because cas actually wanted dean all along. 
Words with Friends by betts
"Dean Winchester is as straight as an arrow. He’s a lady’s man of epic proportions: the king of the one night stand, the messiah of the friends with benefits paradigm, the emperor of perpetual bachelorhood.
Except, apparently, when it comes to his best friend, Castiel Novak."
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Wherein a longstanding acquaintanceship leads to friendship, then best friendship, then sexting, then dirty talk, then mutual masturbation, then, inevitably, fucking.
look i think you’re always in good hands with @bettsfic​. but this one has some good sexting and phone sex right at the start, which i’m totally into, and then it gets even better. cas is a lil bossy, by which i meant to say he’s the kind of bdsm geek who has equipment installed in his bedroom for sex purposes. 
You're The Only Stranger I Need by lyndsie_l
When Castiel receives a text from a stranger, he finds himself engaging in conversations daily. He's drawn to the outgoing college student and longs to interact with the other man as often as he can. Slowly, he finds himself falling in love with the other and can't imagine ever meeting a more beautiful person.
The only problem?
He's never actually met this other man.
be still my heart! a long distance/texting/phone sex thing! i want to read it again right this second. cas is such a cool nerd, dean is a brat, it’s a good time all around. 
if you enjoy these fics (and you should), please give the writer some love via kudos and/or comments. <3 
ps - as always, if i didn’t tag the writer and you know their tumblr, please tag in the comments. i don’t think there’s a writer alive who wouldn’t be happy to be on a rec list. :) 
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snowglobetay · 2 years
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omg jackles finale denialist king
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angeltiddies · 3 years
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Unrelated to everything, but you know what? I really respect Misha and Jensen bc they both saw the value their characters had and they took good care of them. Like... I think Misha and Jensen don’t GET GET how important this story and characters are to some of us, because what I felt on nov 5th??? Unparalleled. I’ve never experience such an euphoric happiness, and the collective love sickness for two weeks? That’s crazy stuff that even I can’t begin to understand, so I don’t think they know just how much it hurt and how messed up that ending really was, BUT... Jensen loves Dean, he loves him so much! And Misha loves Cas, he understands how important he is to people. And they never gave up on them for 15/12 years. They always gave their best, they never gave up! And I’m sad for Sam, because I love him and understand him a crazy amount, but Jared and the writers gave up on him and he didn’t deserve that. But I am glad, I’m so glad that mish and Jen had their characters in their hearts. 💖
i made a whole Recording on my Instagram when I was moving right after November 5, talking about pretty much exactly this (all while i was sobbing so hard) And how jensen wouldn’t let something happen to Dean that he didn’t feel is right! but then I think about all the stories that he has told about learning the ending of the show, and being told to suck it up… And he really didn’t have the power that I wish he would’ve been able to have… And I think that hurts to know that jensen didn’t want this fate for Dean, or cas to be honest, and I think that’s why he essentially has been a finale denialist, because that ending didn’t do his best friend justice… 
and i agree, I just really appreciate him putting that dedication into his character, and we would not have Dean Winchester, not the Dean Winchester that was brought to life by Jensen, if he was not the actor… The show would be completely different if played by anyone else, and I think that’s incredibly special
and im now crying again thinking about it...about how much jensen loves dean :( 
(sorry im in my jensen headspace, ill go into misha later maybe, but he was amazing and he fought so hard for cas and he has my utmost respect for that)
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chocolatecakecas · 3 years
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Girls(gn) don't want a filmed c/w alternate ending, girls(gn) want a jackles reboot
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I am having more cursed thoughts about Jackles-directed 15x04 Atomic Monsters (first part of said thoughts can be found here)
So Benny appeared in this episode because Jackles thought “it was important for fans to see a similar face at that moment.”  I repeat, this was a Jirecting Joice, to have a familiar face in this episode and it was also Jensen’s suggestion that it should be Benny.
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[source: justjensenanddean]
Benny.  The vampire.  So fans could see a familiar face.  Again, in the episode where we are warned, over and over, we aren’t getting the ending we deserve.
FF to 15x20 where we have Jenny.  The vampire.  So fans could see a familiar face.
I - 
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angeltiddies · 3 years
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dean so sweet little freckles green eyes all snarky and funny and so smart and never feeling like it never feeling good enough and never feeling worthy and being scared that even his brother, who he raised, who he gave so much for, wouldn’t accept him anymore and dean trying to come to terms with himself and dean sacrificing himself to save his brother but not feeling bad about it because he thinks he deserves it because he has to find a way to pay his father back and not seeing anything wrong with that and dean just not understanding why he deserves to be saved and dean not understanding why an angel would love him so unconditionally and dean giving up so much for the way he fiercely loves and dean loving and loving and loving and feeling like he doesnt deserve it in return and his stupid fruity little boots and his cowboy fetish and his big win being the angel who saved him all those years ago, who kept saving him, and who told him he loves him and told dean that he is not who his father told him he is and then leaving and being swallowed by the empty and dean breaking down and getting back up and trying so hard to be strong and saying ‘that’s not who i am’ and him finding comfort in a lil dog and finding purpose in caring for him and then dean being okay with dying and dean not expecting it to be that day and just not wanting to be alone just wanting someone to stay for once in his god damn life to stay
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