Underfamily Playlist
These are songs we feel fits the Underfamily characters. Many of these songs were inspiration for their story, but we can't really remember which ones. ^^; so just have the entire playlist instead!
The lyrics in these songs are all very important for the characters. Some made us cry QwQ
Frisk's songs
Lost Control (Alan Walker)
Medicine Man (Alec Benjamin)
The Doctor Said (Chloe Adams)
Toxic Thoughts (Faith Marie)
I Can't Carry This Anymore (Anson Seabra)
Dreamy Night (Lilypichu/Comfi Beats)
Never Enough (The Greatest Showman)
The Dark (Beth Crowley)
Frisk's songs (about/to their lost loves)
Secret Love Song Pt || (Little Mix)
Too Young (Sabrina Carpenter)
Running Up That Hill (Katie Bush)
Maps (cover by Max and Alyson Stoner)
Wake Up (EDEN)
Hymn For The Missing (Red)
Dead Hearts (Cover by Alec James Milewski)
You Are My Sunshine (Jasmine Thompson)
Dancing WIth Your Ghost (Sasha Loan)
Broken Records (He Is We)
Everything (Diamond Eyes)
Hindenburg Lover (Anson Seabra)
Dancing In The Sky (Dani & Lizzy)
Living Without You (Beth Crowley)
Frisk & Their brain buddies
Evelyn Evelyn (Evelyn Evelyn)
Camilo's Interlude [Stripped version] (Laureli Amadeus)
Frisk & Chara
Little Game (Benny)
Disappear (acoustic version, Dear Evan Hansen)
A Whole New World (cover by Reinaeiry)
A Million Dreams (The Greatest Showman)
Only Us (cover by Reinaeiry)
Autumn (Reinaeiry)
Something Good (Beth Crowley)
Skin And Bones (Beth Crowley)
Chara & Asriel/Flowey's songs
Lose Somebody (Kygo) -Asriel/Flowey/Chara's song to eachother-
Archer (Taylor Swift) -Asriel/Flowey's song to Chara-
Sweeter Than Fiction (Taylor Swift) -one of Chara's songs to Frisk-
Don't Think Just Run (Beth Crowley) -one of Chara's songs to Frisk-
Frisk's & Skelebros
Issues (Julia Michaels)
Home (Vanessa Carlton)
Flashlight (cover by Bri Heart)
Found/Tonight (DEH/Hamilton)
Skelebros songs
Hey Little Brother (Daniel Shaw) -Sans's song to Paps-
Be Somebody (Thousand Foot Krutch) -Papy's song to Sans-
Home (Cavetown) -Papy's childhood song-
Color Outside The Line (He Is We) -Papy's teenage song-
In My Arms (Plumb) -Sans to Papy & Frisk-
Talk To Me (Cavetown) -a song to Frisk-
I Lived (OneRepublic) -a song to Frisk-
Home (Phillip Phillips) -a song to Frisk-
Other Characters
In The Bedroom Down The Hall (DEH) -Frisk's moms' song-
Wherever You Will Go (Charlene Soraia) -Frisk's lost loves' song to them-
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Just remembered to submit this over here on tumblr, posting before the Asgore Dark World gets underway - honestly, there's A LOT Akane can do with an Asgore-focused Dark World I could talk everyone's ear off about, especially if Chess theory is in play - the Bishop theme can be used for "confessions", which is something that also happens with police and is honestly just a good theme to get the plot going since you could cover the following:
- Asgore confessing his feelings about not being able to do anything to save Rudy from his failing health and wishing to go back to before things went wrong so they can do the right things for his best friend's family next time might hit Frisk hard, bonus crying points if it parallels the Undertale Asgore boss fight
- Asgore might be hiding/holding onto evidence on the December disappearance case in his shop, and I'd LOVE if the Undertale coffins room re-appeared as symbolism since Kris is still a suspect/witness for it even now (the red coffin/case is still open): it'd be extremely hype to have an Ace Attourney styled twist where Kris is accused and pressured to confess by the Darkner evidence Kris left behind.
- Undertale Asgore's relationship with Chara being touched on since it rarely happens fandom-wise, and my gut feeling tells me Chara will be the Jevil/Spamton of this Dark World, due to the Gaster connections theory angle - it's very possible Chara has actually MET Gaster since he was Asgore's royal scientist afterall, and the Deltarune/Determination related experiments being based entirly on data Gaster got from running Human Healthcare when Chara was still alive is plausable as of now. Plus, it'd be super ironic for Chara to be the one who Judges Kris instead of Sans, ESPECIALLY if it's -THAT- hallway.
TLDR I'm pretty excited to see where Twinrunes is going as always, sorry to akane for having to put up with my impromptu essays
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Toby Fox once made a post saying that he didn't want to sell merch of Chara because it would trivialize what they meant in game and the message they carry, do you have any idea what he could have meant by this?
Well, obviously this topic is inherently speculative so take it with a grain of salt, but there still exists some room to try and analyse it nonetheless.
Here is the post in question :
First, he uses "i" in the first sentence, and then "Because".
This immediately tells us that Toby Fox personally is the one that is opposing merchandise of Chara being made, and that all the things which will come afterwards are about what he was intending to do with them as a character in Undertale and why that makes the idea of Chara merch bothersome to him.
This isn't the only time Toby has shown to be picky about Chara-related content. For example, he has only openly promoted fan content containing Chara once since the game was released (and they were not the main focus of it) whilst the rest of the cast is seen quite often.
In general, Toby is quite dodgy when it comes to the first fallen human as a character. Sometimes even acting as if they didn't exist.
But as the mail also repeats, that isn't because Toby doesn't care about Chara, but rather because he does care about their character. Like how Toby actually went ahead and personally intervened to change Chara's Tarot card (Along with removing the Gaster one entirely), even if those weren't even official merch anyways. He does care about how they're being portrayed at least.
Okay, so next is our main puzzle piece.
The reason why he doesn't want Chara merch is because Toby considers that merchandise of Chara would have to portray them in a way that does not allow to properly represent what Chara stands for in-game, and thus fail to convey the message that they were intended to carry.
To rephrase this, he considers that if he were to make Chara merch, then "merch Chara" would be incapable of portraying correctly what he actually intended "in-game Chara" to be, and thus miss out on a significant portion of their character & what could be taken from it.
So he would rather not have merch at all rather than to have merch that misses the point of who "in-game" Chara was intended to be.
Since the only direct hint we have about this is that what Toby meant couldn't have been portrayed with merch properly, then the only way to obtain more insight into what he meant exactly is to go about it the other way and to ask which pieces of Chara's character merch could have portrayed and work backwards.
A prime example of what could have been done for Chara merch would be content similar to the Tarot card mentioned earlier.
As that card shows, it is far from difficult to make designs that capture most of the concepts and themes that are explicit-genocide-route-dialogue-specific & are said by or associated to the character.
To cite only a few that can be seen from this card, life & deat & killing, power, demonic parallels, the number 9, the absolute, statistics, consequences, souls, knives, nothingness,...
(Side note : The person who made the Tarot card actually did not even know about the name "Chara" at the time, they weren't really a fan of the game and mostly went along with their first impression of the genocide route & the fanon of the time.)
Aside from perhaps their relationship with the player, there is frankly nothing about the direct Chara appearance at the end of genocide & the heavily Chara influenced flavor text of the end of the route that cannot be easily shown through merch. (Just look at all the fan content over the years)
And considering the way Toby acts merch-wise with Frisk and with Kris respectively, we can be pretty confident that their relationship with the player is not the reason that Chara merch is being blocked either.
So with that, we can be pretty much sure that what he meant wasn't about the explicit-genocide-route-only parts of in-game Chara.
Aside from the genocide route, the only other direct appearances of Chara are that of pre-death Chara. Between their fall into the underground and their death after the failure of the plan.
While we don't have clear cut examples like the Tarot card here, we do still run into the same problems.
The game implies a lot of things about pre-death Chara in many different ways. But all of those details or personality traits are either not much of a problem to portray or are also shared with other characters who do have merch made of them, meaning they can't be it either. (Its usually Undyne)
Not to mention that, when it comes to pre-death Chara, the game itself does show us some sepia artworks of Chara & The Dreemurrs. Like this one for example :
If properly representing those character traits of pre-death Chara was truly what this was all about, then why not simply make merch out of a colored version of that image if nothing else ?
It's in the game, right ? So surely it can't possibly be misrepresenting the game...
A trivialisation means to downplay something or to reduce it to something simpler.
If both pre-death Chara and genocide route-Chara & what the game shows about them could be represented with merch like any other character, but that Toby considers that doing so would still be missing out on an important part of Chara's character & their message, then the only conclusion would seem to be that Toby is not refering to any of the direct appearances of Chara in the game at all, but rather to another seemingly very important side of Chara that isn't shown directly in-game, and couldn't be through merch either.
While those could still be accurate in theory by themselves, making merch of Chara like this sepia art or the Tarot card would still be trivializing them in Toby's mind in the sense that it would be limiting Chara to only those things, and thus exclude that core part of their character from "merch Chara". Something that Toby refuses to do.
So our situation would seem to be : There is more to Chara than just what we are told about pre-death Chara and genocide route Chara. However, this part of Chara's character cannot be properly shown with merch yet is too important to ignore in Toby's mind.
There is one last thing we can say about what this part might be, though.
Toby seems quite insistant on the fact that this particular part of them was absolutely key to understanding what was Chara's role as a character in the game, and to understanding the message that he was trying to convey through this character.
A character's role & message can be conveyed through their story, through their actions, and through their mentality.
As we've seen earlier that this part of Chara was not an explicit appearance, the "actions" part is either minor enough to miss, or absent.
So it would seem we can be somewhat confident that this piece of Chara's character that Toby is worried about also either adds more implicit parts to Chara's story or gives important insight on their mentality (or both).
That would make Toby's core reason for not wanting to make merch of Chara be less about Chara's character itself and more about what the player is to understand from the way he constructed their character, which would match up with his words about it being "something that cannot be bought in a store", too.
Anddd... As far as purely impartial analysis goes, i think that's pretty much all that you can deduce, unless i've forgotten about something.
If you want my personal opinion on it, though, i would have to say that using NarraChara theory would be a really elegant way to fill up all those blanks.
Considering that the theory, if true, would constitute 90% of Chara's character & be absolutely crucial to understanding the character's mentality and the way they think or behave in different situations or routes, that would certainly make it key to understanding Toby's intent with the character relative to their message or what they would stand for.
I can also hardly see plausible alternatives. Considering that pre-fall Chara and post-game Chara are pretty dry wells in that regard and genocide Chara's words about when they were "brought back to life", the only moments left timeline-wise for this key part of Chara's character to happen would be during neutral/pacifist routes or during the part of the genocide route that weren't already brought up earlier. That would make it seem like a pretty natural answer.
But more importantly, anything to do with the NarraChara part of their character (if the theory was intended) literally couldn't be properly represented through merch.
Because, unlike the common fanon portrayal of it which exists for that same reason, NarraChara according to in-game flavor text wouldn't be a ghostly figure floating around Frisk, but rather a foreign entity sharing their body and their mind. Which is a crucial part to both how NarraChara would work in-world and to the morality-wise implications of it.
Of course, that didn't prevent some fans from sweeping that under the rug anyways, even though it misses one of the most important points of the character they're trying to represent.
That might just be why Toby would rather just not.
How would you make merch of that ? You would just be making merch of Frisk instead... Let alone portraying correctly such a complex character. It just wouldn't work. This is a pretty common problem for media with bodysharing characters, those mechanics and all the implications that follow genuinely just cannot be "sold in stores."
They are a purely psychological experience.
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