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#GOD ITS SO TRAGIC I'M FUCKING DYING I LOVE IT
atopvisenyashill · 5 months
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the fandom interpretation of j0nerys is honestly so fucking boring, avuncular marriages are not uncommon in westeros so it doesn’t work as a forbidden romance either, what’s the point if there isn’t any hate-sex? 🙄😒 same with jonsa tbh, if jon doesn’t feel like he’s betraying ned and catelyn and GOD i don’t want it!
This ask is four days old and I can't believe I never saw it because that's EXACTLY my thoughts. If it's incest, it needs to be full of toxicity and guilt and weird consenst dynamics or I REBUKE IT!!
I actually have meta on whether avuncular marriages are considered incest or not in Westeros that's like 90% written (the answer is: it's kinda complicated and may even vary geographically?) but the fandom interpretation of like, Jonerys being the one good relationship either ever has before dying, the "sweet smelling" rose is sooooooo boring. Where is the Maegor-Rhaena "I love you because I believe you are owed to me and I'll show you by murdering your shitty weak husband and making you queen and making your daughter my heir" dysfunction?? Where is the Daemyra "My war mongering older relative grooms me into believing that the only way my enemies don't brutally slaughter my children is if I marry him and let him fight a bloody war in my name while also abandoning me because he can't deal with the cost of that war so the children he was meant to be protecting die anyway and then I'm eaten by a dragon" toxic sludge of a ship??
And as for Jonsa, I think I've mentioned it before a few times, but there's generally two camps for that ship, one that thinks its going to end happily and one that thinks its going to end tragically and I am firmly in the tragedy camp. I need Jon to think something along the lines that he's wound up being the exact sort of monster Catelyn always worried he'd be by ~seducing~ Sansa. I need him to cry in the godswood and beg Ned for forgiveness. I need him in the crypts touching the stone face of his mother and wondering if she'd hate him. I need religious worry from Sansa that she's damned in the eyes of her mother's gods. I need Sansa choosing between whether outing Jon's real parentage (and putting his life on the line as a Targaryen bastard) is worth the risk so they can marry legally, and decide it's not worth it and choose his life and freedom over being known as a Targaryen. If she's not weeping and telling him that his life is worth more to her GEORGE CAN KEEP IT. If it's not sad traumabonding while Bran and Arya are side eyeing because we all got trauma but seven hells you two fucking freaks, I would literally rather it just not be canon and them both to end single or Jon to end up with Aegon/Arianne and Sansa with Brienne LET ME LIVE.
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layaboutace · 5 months
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Season 2 Episode 12: Army of Ghosts/Episode 13: Doomsday
AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH WHAT THE FUCK!!!!! CYBERMEN VS DALEK??? THE GIRLS ARE FIGHTING!!! "the daleks have no concept of elegance 👿" "THIS IS OBVIOUS 🙄" "YOU ARE SUPERIOR IN ONLY ONE RESPECT. YOU ARE BETTER AT DYING" GOES SO HARD. and that fucking opening with the song for ten melody, and that ending songs god the soundtrack to this episode was so good!!! the two worlds being crossed over and the energy from that being used to destroy both Cybermen and dalek, rose sacrificing herself to destroy them all only to be saved but trapped on another parallel earth???? mickey????????? pete and jackie are having another baby???????? jackie tyler i love you??????? yvonne is so funny????? and she comes back as a Cyberman to stop them from interfering with the doctor??????torchwood finally being revealed????? THE DOCTORS 3D GLASSES??????? holy shittttttt this was fucking perfect, that ending so perfect and tragic, rose having her whole family but no doctor, and the doctor being all alone again......AUGHHHHHHHHHHH I KNOW I'M FORGETTING SOMETHING AMAZING BUT MY MIND IS GOING AT A MILE A MINUTE ITS SO GOOD 500/5
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afaramir · 2 months
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Your ™ (aside from faramir obv) is how unhinged you are about denethor AND having the most correct takes abt him🧡. Oh and also oranges maybe
AAAA...THANK YOU ??? THIS KNOCKED ME FLAT like for real i cannot express how much ive been thinking about this ask all day. like i was in the grocery store thinking about it. i cant decide if it's funnier if you've been here since i was 19 and a hater and watched me have my dramatic change of heart in real time or if youre new here and don't know my tragic backstory. TO ME it's hilarious to be assigned denethor girl bc like teenage me is having a heart attack but i bear the badge with pride nevertheless <3333 and thats what we call character growth!
pj had totally got me with the mad-and-vindictive-with-despair denethor gambit for years and years but literally i started working on the faramir goes to rivendell au and thought for about two seconds about how complex both faramir and boromir's relationships with their father are and how the film changes genuinely weaken all of their characters so much and did a total 180 degree turn on a dime. by doing denethor dirty i would automatically be doing faramir dirty and then i started thinking and went hang on a second he is so complex and interesting actually. like i can't emphasize how much that was the exact logic that allowed me to achieve this development.
i mean okay LISTEN TO ME oh my GOD denethor IS a good leader there's a reason why gondor stood so long alone against the enemy and he NEARLY fucking beat SAURON in 30 years worth of head-to-head knock-down-drag-out psychic stalemate warfare and he only falls into despair when he loses both of his sons. you don't need to like him to respect the achievement!
i almost put a read more here but fuck it denethorposting on main. hit j on your keyboard or do a big scroll if youre sick of me LOL
i am very well known for going totally feral over duty vs love dynamics and that is literally what is going on between denethor and his sons. he cannot be their father and their commander at the same time and they are at war!!! being their commander has to win out above all else!!! whether any of them like it or not!!! do you know what ruthlessness means do you understand that duty wins this one.
do u guys understand that denethor and faramir are a father and son who love each other above else and yet do not like each other at all. there was a schism somewhere there along the line and love without bitterness and political sniping and ideological misalignment is a DISTANT MEMORY. No Of Course He Shouldn't Have Said He Wished Faramir And Boromir's Places Exchanged Jesus Christ No Son Should Have To Hear That From Their Father But Girl Sometimes When You're Grieving You Say Stupid Shit That You Shouldn't Have. doesn't mean you should've said it but [pippin voice] we can understand poor denethor a bit better, huh?
its just so interesting to me to think about faramir and denethor's relationship from a standpoint of like. ok listen good stewards that are not good fathers and dutiful sons who will not compromise their moral compasses for love. i don't like you and i agree with approximately 1% of everything you've said ever and your expectations of me have always been unreasonably high even when i was a child but you also are the only person who could ever understand the terrifying psychic powers that just live inside my brain and you are probably the incarnation of lordly dignity and power that i have had and i have wanted to emulate all my life and i still have the instinct to ask for your approval even if i'm going to hate what you're going to say. and when i'm dying i will call out for you. and i don't like you and your moral compass is going to get you and me and everyone in our city killed and you haven't listened to a single thing i've said since you were fourteen and i fucking hate that you're listening to and trusting the fucking wizard over me but you are my best captain and you are everything that i wished i could've been without the war and you'll never understand that that's why i pushed you so hard i just wanted you to live. and if you couldn't live at least we could die together. LISTEN i am a faramir girl until the death you all KNOW THIS BUT THESE TWO THINGS ARE NOT MUTUALLY EXCLUSIVE- [i am forcibly yanked offstage]
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kurisus · 4 months
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Noragami reread: Volume 19 & 20 thoughts
On to the next batch of pain.
But really, ouchies. First we have the resolution of the covenant (or trial by pledge)--and if you weren't around for that month-long wait, it was AWFUL. A month of speculating about Daikoku's odds because how good could his luck be if he belongs to someone with notoriously bad luck? Also a month of speculating about Yukine's fate, and his past, and generally being miserable. It was a TIME.
Anyway, the trial resolves with no one dying on either side, and since the rules weren't super clearly outlined, I'm relying heavily on what the official translation states to draw my conclusion. Basically, Amaterasu says the trial judges the actions of Bishamon, Yato, and Yukine. Assuming respectiveness, I think the order is key. The first trial, for Bishamon, found her in the wrong. This is in line with what everyone else says about her decision to name Nana--it's objectively risky to brand herself a traitor to hunt the crafter, and treasonous to attack a bunch of gods simply for being in the way. Even though her motivations make perfect sense.
Contrast this outcome to Yato and Yukine, both of whom were dragged into this mess and did what they could. So my personal theory is that's why the trial panned out the way it did. I could be totally misinterpreting it! But since we'll likely never get an explanation, that's what I'll go with.
I know there were some complaints that no one did die, but on a reread I kinda disagree. Tsuyu isn't a super plot relevant character, but that's my point. Noragami rarely kills off its characters, and each death has huge ramifications. Tsuyu's permanent death would accomplish...what, exactly? Plus she's a plum spirit, not a proper shinki. She shouldn't die in the same way as them.
Furthermore, Yato says "your shinki are not a set of dice," aka something to be gambled with. In gambling, you don't lose your dice, you lose your money or chips.
Anyway Yukine's reaction to being freed makes me want to blow up. He's suffering from mad PTSD, but still takes the time to let Yato know how grateful he is that he was there. Crying and sobbing.
The Kunimi chapter is a fun time. Except for the part where he talks about death being the end of memories. That was not fun.
The birthday chapter is everything to me but it also makes me want to wither away. I'm forever upset about Bishamon and Kazuma not being there, although Take and Kiun is the funniest possible replacement.
And then we get to chapter 75, which always makes me want to blow up. Adachitoka returned from hiatus and dropped this absolute banger of a chapter on us-- it's all about the ways in which love ruins the dynamics of near and far shore, tied up with Yato finally deciding to go after his dad. Sobbing etc.
In the following volume, we see a flashback of Yato explaining Father's origins to Amaterasu, followed by his vow to defeat him. He's thinking, as he says this, that it's the end for them both, and he will fade away too. In general Yato does a lot of musing on his own mortality in this volume, since just after this he sadly realizes he won't make it till spring. Blowing up once more.
Hiyori also does some musing on her own mortality this volume, after Tenjin talks to her about what Kazuma said. Kazuma wants to be loved in a human way, and it has ruined him. Tenjin again chides Hiyori for being too involved with the gods, and she wonders what would be better--if she forgets Yato whether she lives or dies, it'll be like they never met at all. SO SHE HAS TO REMEMBER HIM, RIGHT?! RIGHT?!?!?!?! WHY ARE YOU RUNNING
Still don't entirely remember what trash dad was doing at her house, but fuck him.
Yato naming Kazuma is just really sad on all levels. Neither of them wanted to do it but they're left with no choice, so they nip at each other the whole time. Despite this, Yato empathizes with Kazuma's tragic life, and notes that it's similar to Yukine's. Because they've been two different types of hafuri this whole story, but they have a lot in common too. Is anyone else clawing at the walls?
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almost-a-class-act · 7 months
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Hilldane anon again (hiiiii)
If you’re into this ship its because you are insane. Facts. I cant believe uve never dabbled in pre-relationship hilldane its PERFECT for “for the good of the company we can’t” pining and like you said “this is terrible but its less terrible with you” coping by just fantasising about the other in tropical hell. Andy casually snuggling with him in his hammock because that’s normal is such a him thing becoz he has no concept of personal space (on your rewatch just seriously notice how they are never more than 3inches apart, like, save some room for Jesus. If I were Jones i’d be swooning), and eddie is fucking dying inside because 8+ years in the corps kills any chance of romance and he’s so touch starved and in denial because “andys like that with Everybody” and theres no way its reciprocated. (Don’t get me wrong, I also love head over heels andy who is absolutely fucking infatuated but this man loves his company more than himself he barely has time for his own thoughts)
And YO burgie and snaf???? I take up way too much of your time screaming about hilldane (its a topic that my therapist has said she’ll section me for so I cant really speak about it to anyone else + I have a million fucking ideas) but honestly Eddie and Burgie drunk on Banika bitching about Pavuvu, the war, other officers, their tragic love lives. Please, enlighten me with the snaf/burgie agenda before i get held for 72 hours
Hilldane anon I am so sorry for the delay. I was planning on being hungover yesterday and binging the entirety of the Pacific and then screaming about hilldane into the couch for 2,800 hours, but alas I was not hungover so I felt the need to be productive instead.
But no you're so right about oblivious Andy, it's extra special delicious because like. He does love Eddie??? He just doesn't know???? He's gotta get these orders changed and keep all these kids alive and keep morale up and he loves Eddie but when the fuck would he have had the time to figure that last part out. One of my favourite parts of hilldane fic is when we get past this, like. Image of Andy as the show perceives him (which is largely as Sledge perceives him) as the heroic figure up on this wildly high pedestal. Because it is accurate! In many respects! But he's also a real person who is fucking tired and frightened and has a lot on his plate.
And sometimes he is an idiot who doesn't know he's in love.
Snaf/Burgie nation rise! Okay so like. They started out at the same time in the Marines and you can't tell me that Snafu didn't pull the same I'm a fucking weirdo, what are you gonna do about it shit with the other guys in his unit as he did with Sledge and the other boots. If you know you're not someone who is easily liked, might as well give them a reason not to - might as well give them all the hard edges right off the hop. And I just think Burgie had his number immediately? The other guys are side-eyeing Snafu and Burgie is like, well it's not up to me to tell these dipshits that he's yanking their chain. He knew he could trust Snafu to have this back and that was all he needed.
And Snafu, unaccustomed to having his bullshit seen through, actually listened when Burgie occasionally gave him hell, got used to looking for him in tough situations, knew that Burgie was on his side, too. So I picture them together as kind of like, each other's steady place while they go through some honest to god horrors, a bond forged in fire. Does it last when the war ends? Maybe not. But thirty years from now, Snafu knows he can call in the middle of the night and Burgie will pick up.
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rosepompadour · 2 years
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I saw your tags on your Anne Boleyn post about your list of men from history who would have been good in bed, and I'm dying to hear the whole thing! ♡
Ohhhhh, goodness.
♡ Thomas Andrews. A genuinely decent dude, a total babe, a hero...and he went down like a gentleman. (Wink wink.)
♡ Philip Hamilton. Dare I say, even sexier than Dad? Also like his father in that he had the unfortunate tendency to duel...and l o s e.
♡ George Boleyn. First of all, popular history's portrayal of him as an abusive drunk really doesn't have a lot of basis in fact. (His wife has also been unfairly maligned, but that's a story for another day.) What we do know is that he was super smart, ridiculously good-looking, funny, passionate about reform, and an A+ brother. He even  defended himself at his own trial, and did it so well that the court started taking bets on whether or not he'd be acquitted. This smooth son of a bitch, I swear to GOD! He knew he was going down, so he went down swinging. Even if he was ugly as sin, he'd still be on this list for telling the entire court that Henry was a terrible lay. I can actually see the smirk on his face when they handed him that piece of paper.
♡ Babe Lincoln. So tall, so lanky. Him chopping wood in his shirt sleeves while (maaaaaybe) pining for Ann Rutledge? I know the historical record is a mess when it comes to Ann, but the rolled sleeves/pining makes for a very nice combination. Swoon town! (Also kept our nation together in its darkest hour, which is a pretty solid bonus.)
♡ . . .and, conversely, Lewis Powell, the dude who conspired to kill Lincoln. It would definitely only be a one-time hate fuck, but . . . I MEAN.
♡ Tom Mitford, the Branwell Bronte of the 20th century. That picture of him in the t-shirt smoking a PIPE? 10/10. Might have been a fascist, which is v. unfortunate and would ultimately land him with negative points, but accounts differ, and, as usual, I am going with Decca's POV on this one.
♡ Speaking of siblings: Erik Miller, brother of Queen Lee. I have approximately ten thousand books about Lee, and all the pictures of Erik are bookmarked. A happy bonus! ♡ Thomas Wyatt. Eventually ended up bald with a terrible beard and a broken heart, but a TOTAL HOTTIE when he was young. Thin and lanky? Golden hair? Eyes that twinkled like stars? (Not my quote, that is HISTORICAL FACT!) Funny? ROMANTIC?! LOVE POETRY??? Anne, girl...I hope you are having such a fun, sexy time in heaven.
♡ Peter Townsend, dashing hero of the Battle of Britain and Group Captain of my heart! 
♡ Rupert Brooke. Kiiind of seems like a terrible person, but he's my favorite poet and LORD what a face. It would be a very complicated relationship (me: Jewish, him: into dudes), but oh, what a time would be had!
I am going through this list and it has dawned on me that I have a Very Specific Type...très intéressant!
Also, I am super super attracted to WWII-era JFK, but the question is who I would consider a good lay, and tragically JFK did not make the cut. EVERYONE says Kennedy when the dinner table gets a lil sloshed and starts asking which president you'd smash, but he's a terrible choice! The man would last thirty seconds until that damn back of his gave out, and then you'd be trapped underneath him a la Elaine Benes when she got crushed by her mattress from The Lumbar Yard.
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humanmorph · 8 months
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dont mind me just some of my palisade liveposting from twitter. ignore it. i just want them here. this is long and annoying but its my blog and also under a read more smile
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(technically not yet palisadeposting just funny to me)
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Road to PALISADE game rankings (29. Mai)
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PALISADE 03 (4. Juni)
guy whos only listened to friends at the table listening to friends at the table: this is just like fr-
this is about me thinking of hieron & some archivists constructing patterns by manipulating events when they talk about the paint shop & bringing palisade on cycle. im also jokin
WHICH. i am pretty excited about (the cycle). its an incredibly cool concept that mostly existed in the bg in twilight mirage (or well, the intros?) but i love it.love to see it come back in a weird and bad way (different weird and bad than the original
& i guess it makes sense for kesh to pull on ideas/ideals/visions their ancestors had, when this whole 'going back to the twilight mirage' is for nideo a reclaiming of their home/origin
dont need rot13 for this though its vague enough that was cool as fuck of jack. i was kind of cruising along like yeah this is pretty nice so far theyre just getting set up with this faction game thing and then woooowww. wah. banger
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PALISADE 04 & 05
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PALISADE 07 (13. Juni)
some PALISADE 07 thoughts. im thinking them
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(? idk which episode this related to. 12. Juni)
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(the rot13 says clementine. lol)
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(lmao)
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PALISADE 13 (1. Juli)
this doesnt have anything to do with what i wrote here but im very excited for the next arc (even if ill be fully caught up then...) with the way the cast has been talking about it
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also idk what it was about this downtime but something happened halfway through ep 12 where it clicked and now i am enjoying myself way more. just took me a bit i guess
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PALISADE 15 (12. Juli)
palisade 15 thoughts (from like, last week. its just still vivid in my mind) . this made me go crazy
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(this still makes me smile god i wanna know whats up with this so badlyyyy)
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PALISADE 17 (17 Juni)
god upon our grace fucking ruled
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this arc was soooo much. just in the sense of things sure kept fucking happening oh my god
(oh this is the one i was looking for the other day after the brninegucci convo. (BLOWS UP) indeed)
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PALISADE 18 (18. Juni)
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(man i was straightup not having a good time huh)
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(yeah there we go. and i do feel better about it now)
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(just for posterity because this is when i did the first sketch for that long comic. smile)
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I'm at work with my phone on 10% but PALISADE 19 but dice ARE one side of the authority I'm halfway through this shit and the Cause has not gotten a win. I mean it did but that got rerolled & they still have one of those left it's not happening folks
Putting my head on my desk. "But you will win anyways. You must."
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Gathering Information 04 (23. Juli)
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wait hold on i didnt think this through IF something tragic happened to phrygian and then leap coming in on the blue channel after oneof their crew members / friend / brnines second in command just died or worse(things can always be worse than dying. see gur). that. yeah. hmmmmmm
(tee hee hee) (im actually still thinking about that last tweet currently im turning it around in my mind. the dynamic. also "what if [things] got worse and also leap was there" still makes me laugh)
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gellavonhamster · 11 months
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reading the post-vulgate, part 3 (the death of arthur)
"for [the king] loved the queen without measure, so that he could not love more" - is there such thing as "respectfully disbelieve" similar to "respectfully disagree", because sorry, but I respectfully don't believe this
Guinevere wearing a red dress to her execution... slay
I'm still extremely curious as to at which point Gareth replaced Gaheris as Gawain's favourite brother whose death at Lancelot's hands becomes the last straw for Gawain and is deeply regretted by Lancelot himself. Was it because Gaheris as the favourite brother was at odds with him killing Morgause? Did Malory introduce this?
"Gaheriet’s place was taken by a young and good knight named Gaheris of North Wales" and it's just Gaheriet/Gaheris of Orkney in a wig and with a fake moustache
"Kay, who saw clearly that he could not go with the army, had himself taken to Normandy to the house of a maiden who had been his fiancée" this is the first time in the entire cycle his fiancée is mentioned. The man knew how to keep his life private
"There was much good in Mordred" so now, after shitting at him for so many chapters, you're admitting it
they tied Mordred's dead body to a horse and are dragging it so that it gets torn to pieces. God.
also curious as to at which point Bedivere replaced Griflet as the one to throw Excalibur into the lake. Wikipedia just says he assumes this role in the English texts in contrast to Griflet in the French ones, but... why? Because the English audience is more familiar with him than with Griflet?
my understanding is that Morgan's ladies cast some enchantment to make it seem like they're burying the body, because in truth there was just Arthur's helmet in the grave
“Oh, cursed sea, full of bitterness and sorrow, evil, unknowing, and unknown, cruelly have you afflicted me who have taken from me the most loyal lover in the world and his love.” oh this is beautiful
the dying Guinevere asks her friend to cut out her heart when she dies and put it in Lancelot's helmet and send it to Lancelot and dear god what is wrong with everyone in the Post-Vulgate
I am fascinated by Mark destroying Arthur's legacy because Mark's role as a character is very similar to Arthur's (a king whose wife cheats on him with a younger man that is close to him), but where Arthur is tragic and noble and sinful and monstrous at the same time, Mark is just despicable. I'm sure there are texts in which he's portrayed in a more favourable light - there's a retelling of Tristania by Joseph Bédier in my TBR pile which, I believe, does that - but as far as I remember, in all texts I've read so far he's pretty unlikeable even before his marriage to Isolde, as he believes the prophecy that Tristan will destroy him and secretly hates him because of that, and later he just keeps being portrayed as so pathetic and mean that one cannot help but feel Tristan and Isolde are right to betray him because he fucking sucks. Everything you've built will be destroyed by the guy who is like you but worse, a wannabe-you of sorts, and he won't even manage to build anything in its place because he'll also get killed. Now that is the punishment for your sins.
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sailorstarr-chan4 · 2 years
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Fav ships from your top 5 anime/movies/shows/books/musicals
Okay 5 total is impossible 🤣 However...... 5 EACH??? 👀👀👀
ANIME:
Zero/Yuki, from Vampire Knight. You never forget your first. FOREVER OTP MY ORIGINAL ANGSTY BABIES!!!!! 💕💕
InuKag & MirSan, from Inuyasha. I lowkey prefer MirSan these days lmao, but I cannot deny the impact InuKag had on my anime and fanfic experience... Precious idiotic babies 💕💕
Victor/Yuuri, from Yuri on Ice. Because WE WERE BORN TO SHIP VICUURIIIIII!!!!! 💕💕💕
Usagi/Mamoru, from the original Sailor Moon manga/Sailor Moon Crystal. Because FUCK WHAT THE 90's ANIME DID TO THESE TWO, ESPECIALLY POOR MAMOOOOO!!!!! (But seriously, their actual, original romance is *chef's kiss* 😍😍😍)
Ren/Kyoko, from Skip Beat! Like.... Holy fucking hell, y'all, I thought Inuyasha was bad with its slow burn! This????? Fucking THIS????? MY BABIES INSIST ON TORTURING MEEEEEE 😭😭😭😭😭
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MOVIES/SHOWS:
(I'm combining, cuz outside anime, I don't watch much TV lol)
Will/Elizabeth, from Pirates of the Caribbean. Bitch, these two were TEENAGE ANGSTY ROMANCE GOLD, but y'all were sleeping on them cuz of Captain Jack Sparrow (can't say I blame ya, I was just as bad lol but come ON!!!)
Buffy/Angel, from Buffy the Vampire Slayer. Because, apparently, I have a sado-masochistic side and actually ship this walking disastrous tragedy 😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭
Jack/Rose, from Titanic. Yes, I am, in fact, a Basic Bitch™ ✌
Anya/Dimitri, from Anastasia. Because this movie and this couple was fucking FORMATIVE in my childhood, okay???? 😭😭😭
Steve/Peggy, from the Marvel Cinematic Universe. Because they deserve it. THEY DESERVED THAT DANCE. 😭😭😭
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BOOKS:
Harry/Hermione, from Harry Potter. What can I say? I'm a slut for Friends to Lovers. Besides, I never understood the Ron/Hermione ship. I liked the idea of them, and the movies definitely made improvements and made moments cuter, but otherwise???? Idk I just shipped Harmony since 2003, so I ain't stopping now lmaoooo
Percy/Annabeth, from Percy Jackson & the Olympians. Hot take, but these two are what Ron/Hermione SHOULD HAVE BEEN. They are literally Romione to the Harmony power lmao 🤣
Mr. Darcy/Elizabeth, from Pride & Prejudice. Do I.... do I have to explain why????
Anne/Gilbert, from Anne of Green Gables & Emily/Teddy, from Emily of New Moon. Ah, yes. My very first Slow Burns™. Good times, good times... 🥰 They could have been Another Tragic What-If ships, but nope. Lucy Maud blessed us with happy endings. 😍
Rhett/Scarlett, from Gone With the Wind. Yes, this book/movie is problematic affffff, yes, their relationship is a dumpster fire, DON'T JUDGE ME OKAY I LOVE WATCHING MY IDIOTIC SOULMATES BURN THEIR SHIP LIKE A GODDAMN BEAUTIFUL VIKING FUNERAL GFJHKHDFGJGCJVHBJVBJHN 😭😭😭
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Changing musicals to.....
DISNEY:
Kristoff/Anna, from the Frozen franchise. Because, 1) they're genuinely adorbs, but mainly 2) hot fucking DAMN, the fandom writes GOD-TIER smut fics of them!!!! 😍😍😍🔥🔥🔥
Belle/Adam, from Beauty and the Beast (1991). Listen. LISTEN. You cannot look me in the eye and say that the scene where Belle is stroking the Beast's face as he laid dying and the music is fucking swelling in such bittersweet gorgeousness didn't make you tear up/choke up a bit. You cannot. 😭😭😭
Tarzan/Jane, from Tarzan. You know how I said earlier that Anastasia was formative? SO WAS THIS FUCKING SHIP. THAT SCENE WHEN TARZAN IS TEACHING JANE HOW TO SWING ON A VINE AND THEY SHARE A MOMENT????? THAT SEXUALLY TENSE MOMENT THAT YOU COULD CUT WITH A KNIFE????? HOLY SHIT THAT CHANGED MY (then 7-year-old) LIFE!!!!! 😍😍😍
Aladdin/Jasmine, from Aladdin (1992). Yeah, bitch, I, too, wished to be whisked away on a magic carpet ride and travel the world with a hot guy. What of it???
Rapunzel/Eugene, from Tangled. I may not worship them the way the fandom does, but goddamn, it's impossible not to love them they are so PRECIOUS!!!! 😍😍😍
Thank you for the question, my dear!!!
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tenamy anon ☝️ i was wondering if in your vision for them amy was here when he regenerates into eleven or the angel thing happened before that. if its the latter then i think the doctor's "seeing" her for the last time while dying would go even crazier, imagine like she's touching his face while he still says he doesnt wanna go
OMG TENAMY ANON I MISSED YOU, MWAH MWAH! I hope you don't mind me rambling.
I always imagined Amy would leave before Ten regenerated. Punch him while he's down and convulsing on the floor, you know? He would experience the loss of another companion being ripped away from him. I think it would invoke some Doomsday flashbacks, where he is helpless as he can never see his beloved companion again. This time however, you get the comfort and the curse of the build up. Unlike Doomsday, it is Amy's choice, and more hauntingly he has to stand there and allow it.
YOUR VISION! HEARTBREAKING! I share it too, I'm not sure what would happen for him to regenerate, but to come into his TARDIS (like TEOT) scared of dying to see Amy, and while he's glowing golden, her hand is on his face soothing him. I think he'd actually start crying rather than just teary eyes, not only because he would die with someone (I think he this he deserves after all he's done), but he'd be aware she isn't real. When the Doctor regenerates he tells people to stand back because it would hurt them, but he would allow her ghost to touch him as he dies. Maybe he'd even reach his flaming hand out to her face like Eleven did, for extra heartbreak factor. He'd be scared he might hurt her but does it anyway, which I think would capture their whole hypothetical dynamic (never listen to About You by The 1975 while imagining this, I'm tearing up at this shit).
I think it would also be tragic on his end, to have to live without her. I feel like if Ten specially was Amy's Doctor, I'm not sure how he'd react to that. Defiantly not well. We have seen Ten lose companions, and when he can't fix it he typically goes full on god-complex. Not sure how you see their timeline tenamy anon, but I see him going through his post-TLV arc with her. Because fuck it, I love TLV, I think Ten is at his most interesting when he is being an arse. Would Amy make him better or worse? There's a case for both.
Going back to the other vision you said about Amy seeing him regenerate into Eleven, I think that would basically be a sort of tenrose but worse (in a good way). Eleven's companion is Amy Pond and that is a fact, so in this hypothetical tenamy au, he would either be born out of a sense of devotion to her or be born out of mourning for her. I find the mourning more interesting, though. Eleven would be Amy's ideal match (born into the role), but he would also be completely aware her death is a fixed point. The base of his identity is shattered and gone because no matter how much he yearns for it, Amy can never come back.
Sorry if i rambled too much, I hope you don't completely hate what I see. Living tenamy would be cosmic joy, fucked up borderline religion towards each other punctuated by the repeated spiritual murder-suicide. Dying tenamy would be loss of innocence, identity issues and devastation. Because they'd know its coming, they are just doing everything to delay the inevitable. The Doctor runs away, and she'd get the chance to run with him, but eventually everything he is running from will catch up to her (like it does everyone) drag her away, leaving him running alone. Unlike others, Amy would know she was going to be dragged away and accepted it with open arms.
Tenamy anon, please I am begging you to impart your visions (and future ones) onto me. We are like the only two tenamy's in the world and we need to stick together. This inspired me, so I'm going to do something tenamy related now. Take care!!
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Tangled (2010)
Just lie about Rupunzels birthday?? And she shouldn't even know about the outside world? That brie Larson movie the room or something where the kid escapes in a carpet. When will my life begin?? This is all you know!
If the tower is blocked up how did mother gother get up and down the tower when Rapunzels hair was shorter? Why even teach her the concept of birthdays? Why even teach her how to talk?? Why give her books? Skip the drama stay with mama was so so iconic and ahead of its time. Honestly wow cultural moment it.
Caring about your wanted poster is very One Piece coded.
Did you fancy that horse? I'm sorry what the fuck how dare what how
No but seeing the horse from Tangled is like seeing a god. What he has done for the world and my own mental health cannot be understated. If ever I don't laugh at the horse I am dead. A well isolated tower? This is so easy to find what the fuck. It would definitely be a pokestop or even a gym. Some would say that iron Man Vs Captain America is the best combat fight in modern cinema but it's literally just Rapunzel with the frying pan first meeting Flyn. I refuse to believe that she knows so much about the outside world but doesn't know what a fucking hat is. Kuba thought Rapunzel was Naruto. Why give Rapunzel paint. Packing gothel a very Ghibli lunch.
Not Flyn instantly falling in love with a seventeen year old! Nonce!? Okay she is serving face in that first scene. Yeah what kind of a name is Rapunzel.
How is he not concussed after all of this? Is this whole movie a weird hallucination he's having??
The plan about seeing the lanterns for the crown? Actually genius fair play. She knows she can seduce him in that time too to make him WEAK! Honestly such a queen.
As a rule, the movie tangled as a whole is just like brioche bread.
How does she know that tower is made of bricks and that they can move individualy? Does seeing him get down the tower like that not freak her out? Can only enter or exit with hair. Unless that's how mother gothel did it before? Oh that would make sense but how would she have the upper body strength?
Okay her first reaction to grass is good but how does she even know what grass is?
I'd love to watch mother gothel reacts to tangled. Imagine her seeing Rapunzel escape and she's like no bloody way.
Id love to see a tangled where this plays out. She makes it back from the lanterns and gives the guy the crown back and she just spends the rest of her life sneaking in and out of the tower.
'like a grape' SO ICONIC.
How does she not have hairy legs?? She really is a child ew.
When the horse eats the wanted poster I die.
Can't believe she dropped her basket.
A tangled where mother gothel never found the satchel.
There is no way they animated her hair at the same length in every shot.
One of my favourite breaking into song moments. The hot women that ends up with the ugly guy? Bitch what is wrong with you he is grim as fuck love yourself stop with the charity work.
OPINIONS THAT WILL HAVE YOU LIKE THIS.
Wow too bad Rapunzel was socialised so well. What and how.
Maximus! How dare I forget his name.
HOW DOES HE NOT KNOW THAT SHE CANT LEAVE THE TOWER THATS HER WHOLE THING WE HAVE HAD SONGS
This relationship is so bong soon and her CEO
What conditioner does she use though.
Why would they make a dam there? There is nothing there? They don't need one?
Dying like that fucking sucks. I would panic attack myself to death before drowning
How does she know what drowning is?
He told his dead name way too easy? He was begging for someone to ask him about his name. Let me tell you my TRAGIC backstory I beg of you I'm actually an orphan uwu
Why she gotta sing so slow and smoochy. Get it over with.
You can't tell anyone about this.. she always calls him Eugene and he always responds? He wants it to happen so badly.
Gothels voice though holy shit she has pipes.
No socks with boots?? Red flag.
Animal handling nat 20.
I love when she first goes to the city. This is the whole reason I love this movie. The music and everything. Her moment of wander and pure joy I want it so bad. I want to feel the pure joy she feels. The girls braiding her hair?? My Roman empire
NOT THE DANCING SCENE 😭😭😭😭😭😭😭
The joy and happiness she brings people is so so Tohru Honda.
Maybe I love these characters is because I want to be like them but I'm autistic so I don't know how.
Omg and Rapunzel having two parents that love eachother and both want to find her. Yeah I'm jealous that is a flex
The fact that her parents always set off the first lantern chokes me up man.
THIS SONG NO NO NO
My stomach is flipping I love this song
Cry time.
This song is how I felt when I was in South Korea. This is where I'm meant to be.
Not Flyn saying he's only fallen in love cuz she turned 18 today.
They definitely fucked in that boat with the lanterns imagine the vibe fuck. Okay maybe not with the chameleon there.
How is she going to let one man ruin the best day she's ever had.
That is the fastest death row I have ever seen. Why even bother celling him?
Omg when she sees the patterns it literally so iconic. What cinema.
Bitch opened her third eye.
Rapunzel what are you doing up there? Mother not now I've reached enlightenment.
The moment with the glass breaking to symbolise the illusion of the towers safety breaking for Rapunzel.
How did he not bust his nuts with that landing.
That horse probably getting such a high honour for this undercover mission to save the princess. Oh wait he literally does. I forgot.
HE SAID LET DOWN YOUR HAIR.
See this is what gothel should have done with rapuzel on day one.
Wait heal him but have him chained up so he'll die slower of starvation.
HIM CUTTING HER HAIR OFF WAS SO SO BASED. WHAT A MAN OH MY GOD.
Gothels deaths keeps up with the older Disney princess tradition of all evil mother deaths must be scary as fuck.
You were my new dream. Iconic I should get a tattoo. No Disney adults are something else what an ick.
Would love to see a Tangled 2 Disney straight to DVD where we see that her kids have inherited her powers! Blonde hair too!
IMAGINE HOW THAT FEELS AS A PARENT! How they did this scene with no talking was genius on Disney's part. I mean what would they even say to each other. How the queen pulled him into the hug too 😭
The ugly guy and his hottie no no no
Yes Max with the promotion.
The lanterns in the day as opposed to the night! They aren't lighting up the night to look for her! They're sending them up in celebration they don't need them for their light! Just aesthetic.
This credit song pops off
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hiiii denethor anon here!! wow you’re really IN IT now (denethorposting). not to add more fuel to your anger but last week i saw someone say they hated denethor. and i just realised god they don’t get him even on tumblr do they. since then i’ve been silently fuming in rage. anyway… i am very Very Intrigued by both your faramir-goes-to-rivendell-au and denethor-thorongil relationship (if you ever want to write another 800 words about this, i am here for it 👀) and this line “each of them sharpens himself upon the whetstone of the other…” fuck. fucking insane actually.
unfortunately i won’t be replying for several days (i’ve had to keep my phone in another room to keep myself from getting distracted) . my exams have started AND i’m going through some shit irl :( it’s alright tho i’ll have more Faramir and Denethor Hours soon <- chanting this constantly haha. but i am with you when denethorposting IN SPIRIT okay. oh and can we please please please have denethor december? 🙏 bye will be here soon after my exams (that will be after the 23rd march i’m afraid)
hiii denethor anon <333 i am SO sorry this is so late truly attempting to figure out how to write AND see my friends AND do things like clean my apartment and go to the grocery store while working The Job...it has eaten my life. and this week my regular coffee shop switched their hours bc i live in my old college town and they are on spring break and it has sent me directly to hell. the death of My Routine…i have coped by INCESSANTLY denethorposting on tumblr dot com. i am somehow EVEN MORE in it than i was when you sent this ask. i hope you enjoy me being truly crazyinsane whenever you get a chance to look at all those posts lol. would love 2 hear your thoughts on them. but ANYWAY as always it is so lovely to see you, i'm sorry things have been tough but truly with my whole heart i bestow upon you the strength of denethor's sixty-year psychic war (with none of the associated madness) to make it through. looking at the date i hope you are free now.
here is the mandated readmore because i have never met brevity in my whole life. u said write another 800 words and i took that as a challenge um this post is like 2000 words. well...back on my bullshit
i mean this with all the love and joy in my heart but i laughed so much. no my dear friend they do not get him on tumblr. they have not gotten him on tumblr from the beginning. if you have been spared the incessant tomato jokes i truly…[crying] I Wish I Were You So Bad. this guy doesnt even know about the tumblr denethor slander (POSITIVE) (YEARNING). its the trenches out here for real. i just live in my little bubble with me and you and like four other mutuals/Denethor Understanders and that is it.
speaking of denethor and the rivendell au. i miss the days when i was working on the faramir-in-gondor scenes. emotionally it felt like dying but i kind of knew what was going on. now i am in rivendell taking and failing this history of middle earth exam. and i am so very….the next time we see denethor for real is in return of the king. now girl…how will i survive another 80k words. i miss my boy my dear darling my tortured victim of the narrative. and according to the paragraph i just wrote faramir does too but is Refusing to admit it to himself<3
im also RIDICULOUSLY torn on how i want to resolve his arc. now just between you and me. and anyone who bothers to click that read more. I DONT WANT TO KILL HIM I WANT HIM TO LIVE. GOD I WANT HIM TO LIVE. I WILL WRITE YOU A THOUSAND HAPPY ENDINGS. except its not a happy ending its a you are not allowed to die you are forced to contend with your choices you must keep living ending. because he will always be tragic no matter what. but its ALSO a you can rest now you can be at peace son of gondor you have won your war. all you sacrificed has been worth it. you have given your all when that's what duty asked you for and it has been enough. and that makes my poor heart weep.
like on one hand the idea of resolving his storyline with faramir.......the opportunity for some kind of reconciliation, some kind of understanding between them...god. delicious. i know in my heart that faramir comes home and IS the lord that denethor once dreamed of being. not playing at it...he is high and lordly and gentle and the world bends around his will and he knows exactly what to bow to and when to stand his ground and his powers are honed to a keen edge that he uses with the utmost care and. AUGH. he walks into the citadel the IMAGE of his father. it makes me feel FERAL. and how would denethor react to that. man.
BUT ON THE OTHER HAND HOW DO I END THE STORY. like. LOL. do u know what i mean. likelihood of me being able to just have a triumphant coronation and tie it all up with a bow is soooo small. the narrative contortions i would have to go through. to have denethor accept that and still be in character. Girl....no thank u <3 so we havent worked THAT out yet. like how much of the madness and despair do i want to put into the narrative. We Shall See. IM not politically savvy enough to get real into the weeds with it all so im kind of rotating just. a beautiful set of reunions with the fellowship. eowyn and faramir get engaged. boromir and faramir see all their dreams of a gondor restored come true. we skate over the political minefield and deeply navigate the beginnings of denethor and faramir's relationship in this new world. and among it all, within it all, is hope, and a new dawn. and curtain.
i got distracted but re: we are in rivendell. it IS kind of fun to think about the themes and narratives. i am pushing my Let Faramir (And Denethor) Be Numenorean + Let Numenoreans Be Weird agendas so so sooo hard and i am having the time of my life with that specifically. birds follow him around and pick up the tunes he sings. he hears the voices of the people he loves in his head. he falls into a river and after having a breakdown about it promptly decides that The River Is Testing Him And He Has Passed. he gets to rivendell and INSTANTLY knows that there is someone Very Like Him Here (its elrond. the elrond-elros-faramir connection has me FROTHING at the mouth. faramir looks at elrond and sees his father and sees every statue of elros in minas tirith and Knows that this here is the son of earendil, gil-estel, his brightest north star. elrond looks at faramir and sees his brother, his dear dead doomed brother, and every numenorean descended from him and all their sins and all their glories and yet, kind as summer, sees beauty and knowledge and a strange quiet man who carries all the weight of his country on his shoulders and yet knows him, knows the legends; perhaps the blood of numenor is not yet spent in the south)
i just think that Every Elf that meets faramir along the way is like woah...hold up. there's something up with THIS guy! men ARENT supposed to do that! not anymore anyway! galadriel is Lowkey Threatened by him. and isnt that beautiful. woman who could be queen of the earth sees god's special chosen boy and goes hang on a minute. Fuck. i think they work out their shit by the time the company leaves lothlorien but like...just thinking about how faramir lowkey blamed her for boromir's death in rotk! idk how their dynamic is exaclty gonna manifest but there's definitely some sort of similar mindreader2mindreader tension!
AND. um the idea of faramir travelling with the fellowship discovering that maybe...well. he has never wanted to be a warrior but he has been honed into a blade anyway. by his father and by necessity. and perhaps for the first time in his life...outside of gondor he does not need to be all that. he can be mithrandir's pupil without censure he can be scholarly and witty and cunning - he is all these things, in gondor. but there he has to be them, and now he can discover that yes, this is what he wants to be. and he has never let his father and the expectations of his position STOP him but there is always a weight, there is always the knowledge that your actions are disapproved of, and being away from that for a while is i just think. really good for him. see above re: he comes home the image of his father in a gentler time. keep honking im sitting in my car crying about denethor ii twenty sixth steward of gondor.jpg (<- my greatest creation PLEASE click the link lol)
ALSO IM THRILLED YOU LIKED THAT WHETSTONE LINE LOL i kind of blacked out when i typed it on the page. i think truly the crazy thing about denethor and faramir is that they SHOULD understand each other. they know so much about each other and yet are so incompetent at actually putting it to any good use towards, you know, improving their relationship. faramir is incredibly emotionally intelligent AND can read minds AND has taken so many of what he probably views as denethor's worst traits and turned them to gentler uses. (im talking about his powers but im ALSO talking about that thing he does when he encounters frodo and sam where he plays woe is me my brother is dead and i miss him sooo much to get on their good sides. yes of course he misses boromir more than anything else in the world. no he is not above using it to his advantage. and we see the SAME THING when gandalf and pippin come to minas tirith. hey isn't it crazy that both of them use boromir as a. manipulation chip. even after he's dead. hey thats kind of fucked up actually!) and denethor is…well denethor is denethor. ok im mostly messing around and thought that sentence was funny. i think he Knows most everything that goes on in faramir's head and yet Wilfully Chooses to interpret it in the worst ways because its just soo....very I Thought I Raised You Better Than That/I Honed You To Be My Blade Stop Defying Me. and despite all that the Problem is that they understand each other right up until they don't. they know how THEY feel about each other (incredible love that they can only express in the worst ways/think they're expressing only to be spurned by the other) but cannot POSSIBLY imagine that the other feels the same way.
ive gone on for SO SO LONG ALREADY LOL but. what do i have to say about denethor and thorongil. not enough and too much all at once. they're so toxic and awful for each other they're MADE for each other they're beautiful narrative parallels they're homoerotic besties they're bitter rivals they're pawns in a proxy war they're locked at all times in a psychic psychosexual situationship. um the enemy of my enemy is kissing me with tongue. idk i have more symbolism and actual analysis especially of the denethor-ecthelion-thorongil Issue. but we are just getting into it. so i will start with the situations bc i have two angles for this. on one hand i do think it is very fun if they constantly homoerotically circle each other for years and years and never do a THING about it. like...this is a stitching up wounds wiping blood off each others faces battle couple/situationship situation that THEN turns into a ridiculously high functioning political rival partnership bent together over books long into the night catching each others eye in council meetings using their very real disdain for each other for Manipulation Purposes and getting uh. SO hot over it. like.....Do You Know What I Mean. just. truly unresolved sexual tension THROUGH THE ROOF. it DELIGHTS me. they are always putting themselves in situations. and then NOT making out about it. AND THEY CAN READ EACH OTHERS MINDS!! THE WHOLE TIME!! SO THEY KNOW EXACTLY HOW MUCH THEY WANT EACH OTHER AND STILL ARENT DOING ANYTHING ABOUT IT!!! like thats just really good. but on the other hand.......the idea of just an absolutely terrible beautiful toxic rivals with benefits codependent situationship. i hate you so much and you know what we DO need to make out about it. every time they fuck it is a power play and they are having SO much fun with it. they will both start arguments with each other (AND IN PUBLIC TOO) just so they can fight and make up. the mind reading...Oh You Know What I Mean. taylor swift voice we had this big white city all to ourselves we blocked the noise with the sound of i need you and for the first time i had something to lose! logically thorongil is not yet in his grubby ranger era but the idea of him being dirt smeared all the time and hanging out with prim proper polished denethor. in the fic (which does exist and DOES follow the second model) theres a scene where hes just chilling with his head in denethor's lap and denethor is actually rather delighted and devoting ALL of his copious braincells to pretending not to be. Man. well never say im not a slut for contrast. and now the rest of what i could say is simply straight up redacted for indecency so it is time for this post to be over. the last thing i have to say is that it absolutely ruins denethor's life forever when thorongil up and leaves. sometimes a situationship....anyway. MUCH LOVE TO YOU AS ALWAYS yes we will have denethor december i already have an url saved.
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I am crumbling day by day
It's becoming hard to choose my masks
They are cracking up and the paint is chipping away
I guess the cheap materials were bound to unravel one way or another
Did I really expect the cheap materials that are my emotions would hold up for a long time
I found ways to maintain these masks through vices
Vices that open up my mind and help me deal with the negative thoughts
What is so appealing about being alive
What is so appealing being part of the crowd
A crowd full of masked people
People who you can't trust
People who can't see you
People who only want to harvest and drain you bare only to toss you aside for new shinier materials to build themselves
Lately I despise humans
I despise them so much like they owe me shit
Isn't it hilarious,
Being born alone,dying alone but you need people to be alive
You need to be accepted by a certain group of people to be human
I think of death everyday
Death is scary in so many ways
But the major red sign is the unknown
No one knows what the hell goes on when one's soul leaves their physical body
Is there even such a thing as a soul
How can it be proved that we have souls that leave the body when you "die"
Why was I forced to exist
I sincerely want to evaporate and dissappear forever
Never to be subjected to anything
Is there an office I can sign up on to just dissappear
Or will I be presented with so many choices
Is life after death going to be an adventure or will it be the worst fucking decision I've ever made
Will I be subjected to more pain
More despair
More anger
More disgust
More loneliness
Or will I be able to experience euphoria, love, peace,happiness,quiet,harmony,compassio,equality
Will I be able to lie down and not be plagued with any responsibility
I fucking hate it here
I really want to dissappear
At the same time I want to atleast experience the world before trying my luck out there...in the unknown
Is life on earth my best bet to experience a semblance of peaceful bliss
But thats just a load of BS
Humans are the worst
Why I'm I so bitter and angry
Why do I hate being alive so much
I want out
I want out and not to exist anymore
It's very tempting to experience what the universe has to offer but I bet its all a painful and traumatic experience with no break whatsoever
Did I have to grow up so fast
Will I end up burning in hell for an eternity
Will God have Mercy on me and take me in like a stray cat
I promise to be a good pet
Just strip away my conscious and intelligence
Fuck....Do you know how hard it is to pretend you're getting enough air when I can barely breathe
I seriously can't breathe...ofcourse it's all metaphorical
I can't even cry
How can you have time to cry when you're desperately trying to pump some air in your lungs
God how pathetic can I get
Why do you think you're so tragic
You were blessed with an amazing family
You have never lacked in anything
You've got some decent friends who you barely talk to because I mean what is there to talk about
Imagine telling someone everyday you want to dissappear
You're chipping away their lives and they will grow yo despise you...so what is the point of opening up
As I began writing this, I wanted it to be poetic but I guess I'm just a fraud
Look at you here being the disgusting human youve always been and try hiding it
You have no remorse for people who love you
You're so freaking selfish thinking you're the tragic highlight who deserves the attention
What is it that I crave?
If by some miracle I can attain anything I want in this life as my last wish
What do you think I'd choose?
I'll leave a clue
It can be a fun game to remember me by
Why is it when you're alive people pretend to care but they don't make any effort to see you
But when you finally give in and gamble with the unknown mystery that is death
It becomes about them
They become broken
They are left asking the question why
They are left asking why you never communicated and seeked help
They are left traumatised
I guess I truly am insane
Is it fair to want the people who I once gave my life to suffer like me ...no...it's not fair at all
Dead Rose🥀
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jonesyjonesyjonesy · 3 years
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heyyy, this is my first ask ever on this page so I'm not exactly sure how to start this, so ill just get right to it from one jonesy/zeppelin stan to another.
Robert apparently wrote Carouselambra about him being frustrated with Jonesy and Jimmy not being there for him after his son karac passed away,,, the song itself is great inho, it's my favorite off of ittod besides in the evening. The situation was tragic enough on it own, but it also put a huge strain on the relationships between the band members, it seems like. I can't pretend I know a whole lot about that part of their history in particular, just wanted to hear your take on it.
Hello my dear!! Welcome to my asks! I hope it is a cozy and pleasant experience. You are always welcome, no matter how inane, as I myself am the queen of inanity (I'm claiming it here and now folks).
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^^ look at these boys in their 30s (36, 34, and almost 32 respectively, dear god)
In Through the Out Door is generally pretty fascinating. 'Carouselambra' in and of itself I think is one of those tracks that if it had been deeper into the canon (as if Zep had been able to make more albums), it would have been openly considered a masterpiece. That's actually how I feel about the whole album, but...instead, it causes consternation.
The track itself is one of my favorites as well. It's like Space Jam but everyone's on drugs and having a midlife crisis and WOW it's good. The actual inspiration for the track, as you say, I think was a combination of the highs and lows of Zeppelin and this includes Karac's death and the aftermath. 'Carouselambra' was originally called 'The Epic' -- I like to imagine the epic poetry it was being likened too and if epic poetry was still written and consumed the way we consume Homer and Virgil, that Zeppelin would be a perfect candidate. 'Tales of Brave Ulysses' could never.
The general consensus is that 'The Epic' was renamed 'Carouselambra' because that's what being in Zeppelin was like. Around and around on this gaudy mechanical and in the process these tragic things were happening and you only got fast glances at them or missed out on important things. And in the case of Karac, I'm sure Robert was grappling with the fact he just wasn't around (and I believe he's said as much).
This culminating with Jonesy and Jimmle not being at the funeral, which at the time, Robert had apparently said to Richard Cole, “Maybe they don’t have as much respect for me as I do for them. Maybe they’re not the friends I thought they were.”
Which is understandable! I mean, anyone that close to you dying, let alone a child. You would want your friends there (...if Robert considered Jonesy a "friend" to me is debatable considering his supposed tongue-in-cheek offer to Lita Ford to be the bassist for Zep in '77, but I'm just a bitter Jonesy stan (and I have plenty of theories and ideas about the Jones/Plant dynamic)). From what I've read, Jonesy was on family holiday, I imagine continuing with Maureen and the girls in the RV they rented for the second leg of the '77 tour -- he stole away after the Oakland debacle and drove it up to Seattle (this is from a glancing in Mick Wall's When Giants Walked the Earth, which I'm currently reading). Can that man get any more precious? And Jimmy was...Jimmy, heroin and all, although he's been quoted saying "We were all mates. We had to give the man some space.”
Potentially illustrating this, Robert commented on this in 2005: “The other guys were [from] the South [of England] and didn’t have the same type of social etiquette that we have up here in the North that could actually bridge that uncomfortable chasm with all the sensitivities required … to console.”
By ITTOD, though, we have our "relatively clean" camp friends Jones and Robert leading the charge and, I hope, having some good heart to hearts and enjoying each others' company. I really do wish we had more from that time, of that dynamic because I think it's a really interesting blip on the timeline given their distance mostly (I believe Robert said in 1971 that he had just started becoming friends with Jonesy, which I don't find hard to believe considering their opposite natures).
And then you get 'Carouselambra', all the nonsense and the mayhem boiled down into "why the fuck are we doing this"-edness. The kids are getting older, the tour is now a slog, and now you've got back pain. Kind of a sad carousel at the end of the day. “The whole story of Led Zeppelin in its latter years is in that song, and I can’t hear the words," Plant said, regarding how his voice is mixed lower than the keyboard in the first half. And there they were, in their 30s, and punk was on the rise and let's be honest, rock n' roll has never been a "middle years" kind of game.
But TO ME, that adds to the theatricality, to the idea that everything WAS getting lost and muddled. It's a brilliant, most likely unanticipated homage in my mind and Led Zeppelin WAS theatrical for as much as it was about the music, it was about the mythos and fable as well.
As a side note, I really hate how ITTOD is talked about for the most part as this like "lame keyboard album" when in fact, if Zeppelin had continued, it would serve as an LZ III/HotH vibe to me in that they could do whatever they want so they did and wow it was great. That's just my opinion, though, and I can definitely chalk it up to bias and also my love for Jonesy's post-Zeppelin work that really showcased just how fucking marvelous he is.
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This is just my take...I'm sure many people would be ready to contest what I have to say and that's just fine. 'Southbound Saurez' is one of my favorite Zep tracks and I stand by it.
I hope this was worth the time, lovely. Thank you for appearing in the asks and I hope you return someday. It was really lovely to take a journey into the more "academic" side of Zep...turns out I know quite a bit and I'm pretty good at rustling through the interwebs to find all the quotes I wanted to locate!
Feel free to correct me or engage in discourse kindly. I don't have time for negativity, I just turned 26 after all.
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