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i was mostly wondering how you would’ve handled the reylo storyline? here’s the thing, i’m such a sucker for a trash ship (hello garcy) but i am so not a reylo shipper (finnrey!! you saw me in a way no one else has come oN they were RIGHT THERE DISNEY UGH). however, i thought their kiss at the end was objectively kinda cute (and i loved the ben solo redemption arc cause i’m a trash human), but it was so random based on how they were presented throughout the trilogy?? (part one)
(part two) you’re an amazing writer and lover of trash as well, and i was wondering if you had to construct the reylo arc, how you would’ve handled it? this is purely an objective thing because the end scene made me realize that they had potential, like garcy level potential, to be a really good dynamic and ship, but it was just handled so poorly everywhere overall, it makes me want to go back and be like “now THIS is how you do a trash ship, not whatever actual garbage you tried to pass off”
(again if you don’t want to that’s 1000% okay cause it was so gross i’m just bitter at the trilogy as a whole cause i don’t understand why they all didn’t decide on an overarching plot for all three and then direct/write their movies based off that????? like????? how?????? good?????? writing????? is????? supposed?????? to????? happen??????) (part three) 🤗
(thank you and i love you) (part four)
Aww you are so sweet anon, thank you! Much love and kisses and hugs to you! I hope that you’ve been having a good holiday season, disappointment over Star Wars notwithstanding.
I would also like to thank you for your patience–it’s been a crazy few days, with the holidays and all, so it took me a little bit to get around to this.
This will get long, I’m sure, so it’s all behind the cut! I apologize for how this turned into complete rambling. There is no structure to this. I’m sorry.
Now, I love a properly done, slow-burn, enemies-to-lovers ship as much as the next feral hyperfixating moron, but so few people do it properly. An enemies-to-lovers ship that’s done properly is one that has two people be enemies because of equally valid but opposing moral viewpoints or, takes the time to show the ‘enemy’ character a) recognize that what they’re doing and have done is wrong b) apologize c) make reparations d) continue to improve in their behavior and do good, not to win back favor or make reparations but because they have seen the error in their ways and they want to keep doing good for its own sake.
The example of the first is Flynn/Lucy from Timeless. Flynn and Lucy start out as enemies, and as we learn over the course of the first season, Flynn is actually the hero. He’s the one who is opposing the white supremacist bullshit cult trying to take over the country/world. Flynn, out of grief and desperation, does things that are morally questionable and objectionable, and through his interactions with Lucy, tries to hone and adjust his plans. Lucy on the other hand has the more “moral” standpoint aka let’s not kill people, etc, but she’s working on behalf of the evil bullshit cult. Their viewpoints are opposing but equally valid and the joy of season one is watching them start to fumble their way to meeting in the middle so Rittenhouse can be defeated.
An example of the second is Zuko from Avatar: The Last Airbender. Now, I’m not going to call out any particular ship here, but no matter who you ship Zuko with, it’s only possible for you to do that because he spends seasons and seasons of television making up for his mistakes. We see him slowly come to question his motives and actions, realize he’s wrong, and take steps to apologize and make reparations. After he does that, he then continues to do good. He doesn’t say, “well I apologized and then I taught the Avatar how to firebend so I’m all good now bye!” He continues to fight the good fight, and not because he wants a reward or praise, but because he knows it’s the right thing to do, and he wants to do the right thing.
So right away, we’re off on the wrong foot with Kyle Ron.
I don’t give a flying piece of monkey fuck what any other books or media say about Kyle’s fall to the dark side. Most people are only going to watch the films and in the films, all we know is that there was darkness sensed in him, Luke thought about killing him (which is a shitty piece of characterization that I will never forgive Rian Johnson for and trust me he can throw whatever arguments he wants at me with his I’m So Woke White Guy Persona and I can and will destroy every inch of his arguments and his brain but that’s a story for another time), Snoke started talking to Kyle or rather Palpatine as it’s explained in a quick ham-fisted explanation in TROS, and Kyle goes and MURDERS A BUNCH OF HIS PEERS WHO ARE ALL CHILDREN AND TEENAGERS, THEN PROCEEDS TO BECOME A SPACE NAZI.
…yeah that sure doesn’t sound to me like a traumatized child trying to make his father proud (Zuko) or a grieving widower and father trying to fight white supremacists and destroy their organization with full knowledge that he’s breaking his own moral code to do so (Flynn).
So yeah, right away, we gotta fix that.
The next thing we gotta fix is his first interactions with Rey. The Force Awakens didn’t set Rey and Kyle up to be romantic at all. He tries to mind rape her with his Force abilities, for crying out loud. And this is after he mind rapes and tortures Poe for information with his Force abilities. Then, after his father offers him redemption and love, he kills him–right in front of Rey, who had come to see Han as her adopted father.
Never once does Kylo Ren apologize for any of it. Not. Fucking. Once. Not even a simple ‘I’m sorry’. What the fuck.
I wouldn’t have him hurt Rey in any way. Capture her, okay, but not hurt her, certainly not try and force himself into her very mind. That’s not something I could ever forgive someone for doing. Sorry not sorry. Then I wouldn’t have him kill his own father after said father had offered him love and understanding and redemption. Nope.
Then, if we wanted to show the two of them establishing a Force bond et al like in TLJ, I wouldn’t have him fucking gaslight her. Saying “you came from nothing, you are nothing, but not to me” is a manipulative as fuck thing to say where you a) destroy the person’s self worth b) make them think everyone is against them and c) that you are the only person who values them. That is, as I’m sure I don’t have to remind everyone, not. healthy.
Having Kylo treat her with respect and consideration, praising her, not gaslighting her, and also um NOT TRYING TO GET HER TO JOIN THE DARK SIDE, especially after he killed Snoke. He rejects once again an offer of rejection, this time from Rey, and decides to rule the Space Nazi Army. Not cool bro.
Let’s compare that to Garcy real quick.
Flynn tries to get Lucy to help him specifically because Lucy is the person who told him to do this in the first place. He is doing things he hates doing and needs a true ally, a partner, someone he can trust and turn to for advice and assistance. Lucy’s refusal to budge on her moral stance even once she knows about the existence of Rittenhouse is actually a problem because it draws out the conflict between her and Flynn and makes it so that Rittenhouse has more chances to succeed. Flynn goes about asking for her help in an entirely trash way which… doesn’t help either. But he never lies to her, never manipulates or gaslights her, he respects her (and makes that clear) and repeatedly, when Lucy offers him redemption (or what she thinks is redemption) begs her to explain to him how he can accept it. Lucy repeatedly says to Flynn, “please do abc in order to be the honorable man I know you are,” and Flynn’s response to that is, “but will that mean that my terms of xyz are fulfilled.” They’re negotiating a treaty, essentially. Flynn needs certain things so that he has a guarantee that Rittenhouse is defeated, and until he gets that, he cannot accept Lucy’s offers despite making it clear he wants to.
Kyle Ron, incel fuckboy, does not do this. He instead kills his ‘mentor’ and assumes the throne as supreme leader after manipulating Rey and gaslighting her and then tells her to join him or die. Not… the same thing… at all.
Basically the whole Reylo thing suffered because there was never originally an intention for Reylo to be A Thing. Rey and Kylo Ren were set up in TFA to be opposites and to be enemies. Then in TLJ we got an enemies-to-lovers setup that was done incredibly poorly with gaslighting and manipulation and no effort on Kylo Ren’s part to actually apologize or atone for any of his behavior. How can anyone possibly have seen good in that boy? Because he talked to Rey a couple times across the galaxy when she was too far away for him to kill?
So to make Reylo work, you have to go back to TFA and completely change the setup, the character interactions, and THEN you get into TLJ and you have to change how Kylo Ren talks to her. Perhaps his decision at the end after murdering Snoke is to stay so he can destroy the First Order from within because he knows that if he doesn’t, someone else will just step up into Snoke’s place–you can’t just erase an entire movement just because one leader is gone, although that is a pretty big blow. Something like that.
THEN in TROS you wouldn’t have to change much at least as far as Kylo Ren and Rey’s interactions because you would’ve established them from the start in TFA and left out the blatant emotional abuse in TLJ. Oh, and have Kyle say he’s sorry and do some actively good things for other people BESIDES Rey so that we actually see him doing good. Someone realizing they did wrong is not the end of a redemption arc, it’s the START of one.
And the guy can’t only do good things for his love interest. Nope nope nope. Going, again, back to Garcy, over the course of season two we see Flynn a) save Rufus’s life several times and care about him b) give Denise a pep talk and come to an understanding with her c) support and praise Mason d) give Wyatt advice that Wyatt didn’t even deserve and e) joke about giving Jiya a hug (and would’ve given her one if she’d wanted it) and protect her in Chinatown.
Flynn mostly interacts with Lucy because she’s the person who gives him a real chance and opens up to him, but he’s there for the others as well and we see that. To get the same from Kylo Ren, we’d need to see him apologizing to and doing good things for Poe, Finn, etc.
Again: Reylo sucked ass because TFA didn’t set it up to be a romance. TLJ made it all worse by making the romance actually A Thing and using emotional abuse to do it, but TLJ really didn’t have much of a chance to make it a Good Thing anyway because it was building off of what TFA started, and TFA started off on the wrong foot if you want a romance between those two.
Personally, I think that there just isn’t enough time in three movies to pull off a really solid Zuko-style redemption arc for Kyle. There are too many other characters to worry about and too much else to deal with. So the answer would be to make Kyle Ron more like Flynn, but that would completely change his character, so… it’s a vicious circle of going around and around trying to make something work when the framework, the foundation, is just not going to let you do that.
How would I do Reylo? Well, to be honest, I wouldn’t do Reylo in the first goddamn place because I am so FUCKING sick and tired of white boys getting redemption arcs. I know this makes me a hypocrite because I have written 50+ fics of Wyatt Logan, The Most Whitebread of White Boys, earning his redemption, but I wasn’t starting from scratch there (and if I get a chance to make a boring white het person into a queer as fuck person, thereby actually making them interesting, then I’m taking that chance). And if I’m starting from scratch, if you’re giving me this new trilogy and saying “here are the characters, do with them what you want,” I ain’t having one more fucking lily-white privileged-ass bitch motherfucker be the “hero” because he said he was sorry and he looked longingly at the pretty girl a few times.
The trilogy gave us Poe and Finn. Two excellent, handsome as fuck, kind, loyal, good-hearted men who were fighting to save the ones they love and the galaxy. I would marry the fuck out of both of them. I wouldn’t do Reylo.
But if you put a gun to my head…
…no wait I don’t fear death that’s a bad analogy…
…if you put a gun to a kitten and told me I had to do Reylo, that’s how I would do it. Go all the way back to TFA and have Kyle Ron treat Rey with respect, never try to force himself into her mind or torture her, I’d have him not be nearly so murderous in the first place and I wouldn’t have him throwing tantrums left and right, and I wouldn’t have him MURDER! HIS! FATHER! JESUS FUCKING CHRIST!
Then in TLJ I’d start to show his conflicts, have the Force bond be established but have him talk honestly with Rey and open up to her instead of having him manipulate her and try to get her to the dark side at every turn. I certainly wouldn’t have him keep telling her that they’re meant for greatness together and all that bullshit while she kept telling him no, stop, go away, I don’t want this. You know that what kind of scenario reminds me of? A man continuing to push and do things when the woman told him to stop? You know what that makes me think of?
Yeah, I bet you do.
At the end of TLJ he would not just murder Snoke and take the throne, he’d be shown in the middle of a moral quandary so that we’re given a nice and satisfying emotional cliffhanger for his storyline for us to look forward to seeing resolved in TROS. Then, TROS, at that point eh I’d leave that pretty much the same, because it would WORK, BECAUSE THE GROUNDWORK HAD BEEN LAID PROPERLY IN TFA AND THERE WOULD BE NO BULLSHIT EMOTIONAL ABUSE AND MANIPULATION IN TLJ.
So there you are, nonny. I contribute anyone enjoying that last bit of Reylo in TROS to Adam Driver’s admittedly good and dedicated acting, and I hope that my answer explains my (rambling) train of thought and explains how I would do things. But to be honest I really wouldn’t do Reylo in the first place, the whole thing sickens me, I want to set the entire Disney studio buildings on fire, and if anyone tells me they ship Reylo I can and will stop talking to them for the rest of my goddamn life because they are not to be trusted and I can successfully hold grudges for decades.
…wow, I’m just a pillar of rage.
Thank you for your very lovely asks, nonny! I hope that this satisfies. If you have any follow up questions, don’t hesitate to ask them! I admit this wasn’t a very structured response but I hope it explained everything. Have a beautiful day and give yourself a hug!
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Marksman
 PT 2
part 1, masterlist
A/N I was going to make this super long but thought it would better to keep it short so there are one or two parts after this
Warnings: swearing again, shitty writing and spelling errors.
The day was pretty much uneventful with the amount of chaos and testosterone I was surprised when I was able to leave without having to fire a shot or give a warning. I watched the rest of the girls close up and rubbed my face a few times. My boobs hurt a goddamn lot I don't think I can take a whole day like this again.
"Y/N we are all having tea at Polly's if you want to join us," Ada said as we began to walk out.
"Yeah, I would love that." I smiled back at her.
Our journey was in mostly silence, people stayed out of our way apparently the whole family now had a pretty big reputation and we got home without anyone stopping to make conversation.
Polly put the kettle on once we entered the house and we took our seats. "So Y/N tell us about London we would love to know," Lizzie said once we settled.
"Well I moved there with my sister, she worked in a bakery and I worked as a welder. I didn't meet anyone, she met another preacher actually and they married this year. It was pretty uneventful in London but very different from Birmingham." I explained.
"Is that so?" Polly said with a hint of a smirk on her face. " You didn't meet anyone at all after all these years, with someone like you that's hard to believe."
"Well believe it, everyone there was a little boring," I replied. Everyone shuffled a little with knowing smirks on their faces, including Lizzie and Esme. We soon settled into easy chatter mostly about the differences between here and London, a few things about the boys and how they've grown among other things.
The night soon hit its peak and everyone's men came to pick them up, all voting to hover outside the house until it became just me and Polly. "I should probably get going, it's late and I don't want to run into trouble," I said gathering my possessions.
Polly gave me a quick goodbye consisting of a tight hug and quickly ushered me out of the house. I began my journey home thinking of the events of the two days I had worked for Tommy and what I had found out in this time. My feelings for Tommy, although I hardly see them are very prominent and the rest of my life is gonna be absolute bullshit because of it.
The next day and couple of months were rather uneventful. I did my job, found a better way to tie my boobs, avoided the pub (I probably won't be able to do that again, my mum's been sick enough times now) and successfully avoided Tommy for the most part.
The day started as normal, I made my way to work, sat on my table and waited to see whether I would have to shoot someone today. That is until Tommy stormed through dragging Polly in the back and motioning me to join him. I obliged and closed the door to the back office.
"London, tell me about London." He asked.
"I..what do you want to...what about London." I stuttered.
"I need to expand, I've been trying too for over a month and now I have to pick who I want to make an enemy out of." He stated.
"What are your options?" I asked timidly moving closer to the desk.
"Sabini or Solomon's. Right now from what I know Sabini has more men so Solomon's it looks like."
I approached him slowly before explain " personally, having run-ins with both think that Solomon's would be the better option. You haven't met him, he's not a man to make an enemy out of. Also, my sister use to work there, might give you an upper hand."
He nodded and said "fine I'll take your word for it, but if this fucks itself over it's on you. And you're coming with me to the meeting."
Tommy left after that and the rest of the day went without issues but now I had another problem. I had met Solomon's on a lot of occasions and the guy is more than observant. There's only hope that he won't reveal and or kill me thinking this is some sort of mockery or betrayal.
Half a month later after some trouble with Tommy, he decided it was time to get this expansion going. I was in the top ranks and I'm assuming Tommy trusts me as much as he does well I'm not sure, he either trusts you or he doesn't. We his on the boat until we got out of Birmingham and then got off the boat when we reached Camden town.
"Jacob tell me about Solomon's, what's he like and that." He asked after a slight walk in silence.
"There's not much to say. He's Jewish, and not exactly right in the head and yeah that's about it." I replied
"Anything to say, not to say or whatever."
"No, he'll find a way to twist anything you say but I still think you should meet him alone."
"No, I'll talk to him alone but you said he met you, your my insurance my way in."
I sighed and turned a corner leading to the front of the 'bakery'. I gave a wave to Ollie who looked very confused for a second before leading us in. This was it.
"Y/N You look like a fucking boy," Ollie whispered into my ear.
"Well yeah, I know that I didn't expect you to recognise me so easily," I whispered shouted.
"Well you only look slightly different, you used to come here with your sister all the time you think I wouldn't recognise you. Fuck, the boss." Ollie sped walk towards the office before a man walked out with a slight limp. Everyone shut up until after he passed them. He settled in front of Tommy.
"You want to try some of my bread, bread yes bread," Alfie said already turning around to walk in the other direction.
Tommy gave me a look but I wasn't looking at him. I had my eyes fixed on the floor and my head down, hat pulled as far as it could to try and hide my face. We both followed Alfie to a table with rum bottles.
"White or brown, bread," Alfie said.
Tommy gave a look of confusion before replying "brown bread" he took a sip, I could see the cringe if disgust on his face.
"Good, good. No that's fucking awful that is." Alfie said chuckling to himself. He glanced at me and then back at Tommy. "Come to my office, we'll talk and you ..."
"Jacob," Tommy said following Alfie.
I was about two steps behind Tommy, trying to keep my head down and draw as little attention to myself as possible. We walked into the office me closing the door behind me but still standing extremely close to it. Alfie sat down in his seat and Tommy sat down in front. Alfie gave me a look and rolled his eyes before saying "do you think I'm some sort of idiot."
"I really don't know what you are talking about," Tommy said confused.
"Oh fuck you don't know okay well Jacob here is a fucking girl."
"Alfie!" I exclaimed.
"Y/N Oh you were hiding that for a reason. If I hadn't met you before I wouldn't have known if that makes you feel better"
"It doesn't," I said crossing my arms. "We met what 3 times I honestly didn't think you paid much attention.
"You and your sister are the only black people I see on a regular basis. I don't forget a face" he said pulling out a bottle of rum. "For the record, it was at least 23, I lost count after that, not 3"
"The fact that you counted scares me."
"Do you want some rum. Y/N, Tommy."
"No," we both said.
"Are you fucking serious Y/N, do you take me for a fool?" Tommy said his words calm but full of anger.
"No, I didn't mean for it to get this far. I just" Alfie cut us off with a loud cough before grumbling "You love birds can argue later I have business to discuss."
You took that as your cue to leave and sighed loudly before closing the door harder than you originally intended. You joined Ollie sitting on a barrel and put your head in your hand.
"He found out huh"
"Yes," you said between your fingers.
"If you didn't come here you would have been able to keep that up pretty well. How's your sister?"
"Fine I hope fairing better than me"
"I really don't know why you didn't get married when you had the chance, would have made life easier."
"No shit Ollie but did you meet the guy I would much sooner marry Alfie at least he would be more interesting and treat me a hell of a lot better."
"Those are dangerous words Y/N if he was here he probably would have hit you by now."
"Precisely my point. Do you know how limited my options are."
"You could always marry someone who isn't black."
"Are you mad, is that even legal, people are alright with me now because they associated me with this place. I still don't get served in most bars and the only reason I'm so valued is that of my ability to shoot. That's not even a viable suggestion. Not even for you Ollie."
"I'm sure Alfie would marry you given the option."
"How that man hasn't taken himself a wife already, I don't know,  but that man is crazy enough to do just about anything. I wouldn't put it past him. Why is this so hard"
Sensing I wanted to change the topic Ollie cleared his throat and asked: "Tommy so how do you know him."
"As me well we grew up together in a sense my is the local preacher and he is part gypsy. Outcast and outcast I guess. We weren't that close but there was a mutual respect for each other. As Jacob well, I asked for a job proved I could shoot and well I get paid pretty well. I said I was my dad's other son if my dad hadn't confirmed it I'm pretty sure I would be dead by now"
"Sounds like a great time."
"Well, it sure has been interesting," I grumbled again. Standing up as the door to the office opened. Ollie immediately got back to work and Tommy grabbed me hard by the shoulder and pulled me outside so fast my feet started to drag slightly.
"Y/N If you had just asked for a job as yourself instead of lying to me as if I am a fucking fool."
I cut him off "What was I suppose to do my dad already asked, I was desperate."
He gritted his teeth and looked away for a full minute.
"You're staying here."
"No fuck no I can't stay here."
"But you can lie to me about your fucking gender huh." I got quiet and a silence settled between us. "Alfie requested you stay here for a week and I agreed so your staying. You do whatever the fuck he wants and if you fuck up your fired."
I started to complain but he told me to "fuck off" and walked away leaving me to stand in front of the bakery like an idiot.
A week with that crazy idiot ought to be fun.
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