#I get it’s hard esp with mlm or wlw

[jiabeewrites]

ATLA Pride Headcanons, but cleaned up a bit/updated from this post

stan the cabbage man

AANG 😇 - hoo boy - i still stand by my position that this smol child is aroace - but he's in a qpr with katara - bc yeah they're kinda cute - probably pan in terms of attraction - cisn't - genderflux. yes yes yes genderflux aang - probably doesn't give a shit about pronouns - and literally glows whenever someone calls him they/them, esp on days where the male-ness is low - because yay! ur right! - he's so precious aghsklfdjslk

KATARA 🌊 - she's also aroace - stfu - *proceeds to aroace the entire atla crew* - qpr with aang - they are very cute but not in the romantic sense - i feel like she'd be bi in terms of attraction tho - pan aang 🤝 bi katara - cisn't - genderfluid! all waterbenders are now genderfluid, change my fucking mind - any/all pronouns :)

SOKKA ⚔ - my friend said that he was the straightest one there - I DISAGREE - he's so BI - BISEXUAL DISASTER SOKKA MY BELOVED - i ship sokka and zuko so hard it's not even funny - but sokka and suki are also very cute so i kinda can't choose - extra heapings of internalized homophobia - bc he thinks it makes him less manly or some shit - i like to think that toph smacked it outta him - i said before that i was waiting for him to get smacked in the face with gay panic when he sees zuko, and like i mean get an ACTUAL GOOD LOOK AT HIM - sadly it didn't happen - anyways - cisn't, i think he's also genderfluid - genderfluid sokka would be so FUN omfg - pronouns change depending on the gender

ZUKO 🔥 - he's so GAY OH MY GODDDD - but i still feel like he'd be asexual - massive ace vibes throughout the entire fucking show - also demiromantic - sokka was his gay awakening fucking FIGHT ME ON THIS - bc you will see my corpse on that hill - and you'll realize that i was right - cis(n't) - i feel like he doesn't care enough to figure it out or put a label on it

TOPH 🪨 - I FUCKING LOVE HER OMG OMG - that being said - her favorite color is green how can she not be aro - giving me aroallo vibes tbh - probably sapphic oriented - cisn't - i headcanon that she's enby as well as transmasc - probably she/they pronouns

AZULA ⚡ - oh dear - i love her sm - she's a lesbian - like how can she not be smh - she's so gay - asexual in the "fuck you but not literally" sense - cis - azula and zuko are the perfect example of wlw & mlm hostility and i love them - they're like this

MAI 🔪 - aroallo mai aroallo mai AROALLO MAI - mai is aroallo and i will DIE ON THIS HILL - probably omnisexual if i hafta specify - prefers females - cisn't - agender. mai has no gender. fuck you.

TY LEE 🌸 - ty lee is a lesbian - like how can she not be tell me now - i kinda ship her with azula (mainly bc of this fic you should def go read it it's so GOOD) - cisn't. - ty lee is genderfluix/fluidflux but never tells anybody her pronouns because she likes to fuck with people that way. - mai always seems to know which ones to use tho

SUKI 🤺 - she is also bi - suki & sokka are bi4bi and i love that for them - pretty sure the kyoshi warriors are just one giant polycule but whatever - suki is trans fucking fight me - transgender suki transgender suki TRANSGENDER SUKI - she's also asexual :D

APPA ☁ - lmao there's nothing for him - i just love appa sm

#the gaang #atla gaang #ozai's angels #aang #aroace aang #genderflux #katara #aroace katara #pan #bi #bisexual #sokka #sokka is a bi disaster #genderfluid sokka #genderfluid katara #zuko #toph #aroallo #gay #enby #transmasc #sapphic #lesbian #azula #wlw mlm hostility #mai #agender #ty lee #trans #transgender

[rollercoasterwords]

i always find the discourse about wlw rep in the fandom sk interesting. like. i’m not gonna lie and say that it isn’t something i haven’t agreed with and gone “yeahh i do want wlw” “yeah omg why is there an attention on mlm”. it’s frustrating sometimes. esp when i was younger i distinctly remember being freshly new out of the closet (and by that time i was alr reading mlm ff) and then going to look for wlw and being kind of. disappointed. being older now, and interacting with a lot of other ppl, and understanding things more i wholeheartedly agree with ur points abt this. it’s true. it makes sense. but i can see why it’s so hard for ppl to grasp. and i understand why ppl are always always bringing up this discourse. before i had someone point it out to me in that sense like “look ff is different than the main media we consume” i hadn’t rly made that connection, bc to me, it was just media. it was entertainment, it was a silly little story just like so many id read before. and like. obviouslyyy now i see how while it may feel like it’s all the same to me, it’s not and it warrants a different type of behavior and attitude almost. but it can be hard to get to that point, even after someone points it out. and it can hard to let go to that way of thinking even after you know it’s “wrong” (i say this in quotes bc i don’t rly think it’s wrong per so but like. uninformed. or ignorant almost). there is a very fine line between the mainstream media we consume and ff but that line is hidden under layers and layers of ideas and concepts we alr have (and it’s hole only dug deeper with things like tik tok, where you see multiple multiple videos telling you every day that “we should demand more wlw rep” etc and considering it’s an app that doesn’t encourage ppl to think critically at allll) so yeah idk where i was rly going with this, but it’s just always smth i think abt when i see this discrouse.

and like side note, that’s not to say that there isn’t wlw there are so so so many great fics out there, and like you said, if you want it so desperately just simply do it yourself etc etc, but in the context of this, i think ppl cling to the idea of wanting a mega popular everyone’s read it this is the fic™️ fic for wlw abd they want the same kind of discourse and tik tok popularity and attention that mlm fics get yk? that’s why a lot of the times, the need snd incessant screaming for that drowns out the voices alr there.

yeah i mean i understand where it's coming from when people say they wish there was more "wlw rep" in the fandom and i do think that the people who act as if they need to Crusade for more wlw fic are mostly coming from a place of ignorance re: the way fanfic functions as an inherently different form of media from books, movies, etc. and i'm sure that part of it is coming from a place of wanting to feel like u can make some Real Change in the media u consume. however i do think a large part of it is also coming from wanting to virtue signal for brownie points and also knowing that stirring up controversy and acting as if u are Crusading on behalf of a Good Cause will get u more likes and views. and at the end of the day regardless of where it's coming from it is all equally annoying and equally harmful in the way that it seeks to drag fanfiction into some sort of internet profit economy. so! it's like...do i think that many of these people are just misinformed? yes, absolutely. but i will be honest and say that personally i am running out of sympathy for people who are just soooooo sad because they want more wlw fics simply because. well me myself and i when we looked around the marauders fandom and thought "hmm this could use some more lesbians" we simply wrote fanfiction about lesbians. and it's like well yes i understand that me myself and i are an immortal being with godlike power who is better than everyone but these people could still at least TRY to get on my level like c'mon now....this is perhaps one of the only forms of media where u actually have direct control over what "representation" u can find. and complaining that "there's no good wlw fic" is insulting to everyong who writes good wlw fics. not very #feminist methinks!!!

also to ur sidenote--i think this is so true! in my little foray into the tiktok comments on all these discourse videos over the last like week or so i have seen over and over and over again people going "we need an atyd but for the girls!!!" and it's like....why. PAUSE for one second. rewind. think about why u feel that it is necessary for there to be One Big Viral Fic in order for a ship to Officially Have Representation. what does that say about the way you engage with fandom. what does that say about your definition of "representation." what does that say about the metrics u are using to like....assign value to fanfics. because personally to me it signals that u have been so sucked into this weird tiktokification of fanfiction that u only think fic is worth engaging with if it's reached a certain level of virality on tiktok, which is half of what's giving way to this whole "representation" issue in the first place, because the problem isn't that people aren't writing wlw fics, it's that you aren't seeing them because they aren't one of TikTok's Top 5 Most Popular Fanfictions and you refuse to venture outside that corner of the fandom. and the snake eats its own tail once again </3

#believe it or not i actually wanted to be a little ruder in this answer lmao #not to u anon i have no problems w u i totally understood where u were coming from #i am just. annoyed by all the discourse and running out of patience for it lmao #ranting and raving #ask

[iamafanofcartoons]

I haaaaate hate hate hate how people said Hazel's redemption arc made sense and Emerald's didn't?

I'd argue Hazel's does still make sense ofc but it's sooooo telling to me how ppl love his and hates hers.

Esp bc, imo, hers makes MORE sense?? We saw hints of it from volume THREE come on

If you want a short example, here's a screenshot by somebody on Twitter who noticed an annoying trend.

Here's the link if you're curious. https://twitter.com/spicybinch/status/1582743854477778944 Me personally?

I've noticed THIS particular issue.

Ruby Rose: Tries actively and super hard to always do the right thing and respect people’s choices.

RWBY Critics: OMG She’s so boring, come back when you have a personality.

Ruby Rose, Blake Belladonna, Robyn Hill: Makes human mistakes, proving both are complex character with flaws, capable of evolving.

EruptionFang, Vexed Viewer, their followers: OMG See? She’s not a saint, she was a horrible person all along, idk why people act like she’s a good person, she should burn in hell.

And then we have the straight white guys who are the villains in RWBY. Yes, I'm excluding Hazel for this one because Unlike Roman, Adam, and Ironwood? Hazel takes accountability for his actions, tries to make amends, and shows actual regret...so already we see that like Emerald, he is given more of a chance of redemption than the three.

Roman Torchwick and Adam Taurus : Does awful things willingly, consistently and without reason, and may make jokes about hurting people in general.

EruptionFang and The RWBY Rewrite folks: OMG he’s so funny and hot. I love bad boys/villains/bad people. They MUST be morally grey, cause they're so cool, they must have a tragic backstory justifying their actions.

James Ironwood: Has a pathetic excuse for his actions, blames it on other people, never takes accountability, and does a teeny tiny good thing (Think of it as nepotism) and throws outbursts when he doesn’t get his way.

Fandom on all 3 men: OMG, he is so sad, my poor baby, he deserves so much better, my heart is breaking for him. He is a complex character  with so many layers and he owns their horrible disgusting actions. But his actions are not his own fault. He has trauma. OMG so hot.

I mean they also scream character assassination when it comes to male antagonists, but let me ask you this.

You notice how these critics look at a robotic acting nanny for Penny Polendina by the name of Ciel Soleil, who only had 60 seconds of screentime, and whine about wasted potential?

Several things to keep in mind. 1, these people only call v1-3 "peak animation" because they put Monty on a pedestal, and because they were obsessed with yang's chest size. That's it.

2. These people are not used to women characters having more complexity than a male character. They were fed a diet of media that treated female characters badly in one way or another.

3. Last but not least. ANYTHING Miles and Kerry do, or ANYTHING a RWBY fan does, people will hold under a microscope. Yet insulting the show and the fandom gets people put on a pedestal.

The next time you see somebody get mad at female characters in RWBY getting some form of redemption? Check their comment or post history and see if maybe they have some weird issue towards women...or LGBT.

You ever noticed how these critics who claim to be fine with LGBT shipping or at least wlw shipping get so upset and uncomfortable at the mere thought of mlm shipping?

#rwby #emerald sustrai #ruby rose #rwby ruby #rwby ruby rose #rwby robyn #robyn hill #james ironwood #general ironwood #roman torchwick #adam taurus #rwby discussion

[dykefaggotry]

wait hi i’m so confused i thought only lesbians can reclaim d*ke and only gay men can reclaim faggot? so how can you use both esp if you’re masc? IM CONFUSED IM SORRY this isn’t a hate anon or some shit i’m just so behind on the fuckin. ‘rules’ of tumblr and what the general consensus on slurs are i barely know what i can reclaim my damn self

hi you're all good! and honestly that's part of why I made the post and why the modern lgbt community frustrates me so much bc there is a huge prioritization of "rules" over community, solidarity, lived experience, and just. loving each other. not a diss at you obvs just that it makes us all so nervous about what we can and cannot reclaim and makes others really hostile about it

anyway!

several different answers...

by current lgbt tumblr/tiktok/twitter "rules" a lot of ppl have expanded those to include wlw and mlm, not just gay men and lesbians. I mean say two women are walking down the street holding hands, someone that would call them dykes isn't going to pause and ask if one or more of them is bisexual before using it. as I'm both a wlw and a mlm I'd fit into both. however I don't really jive w this explanation bc it hinges again on "rules" of conduct that I find reductive

another one I've seen that I find a little more nuanced is that if you have had slurs thrown at you and used against you, you can reclaim them. I've been called a dyke and a faggot more times than I can count. but again, I don't jive with this one as much bc does that mean a gay man fortunate enough to never get called a faggot cannot say that word?

the one I find to be the most resonating To Me- for decades and decades of the queer movement, queer women have been saying faggot and queer men have been saying dyke. it's only like really extremely relatively recently that it has been made taboo/wrong/crucifiable for the other group to say it. but if you look it up, there's a lot of early pictures and even well into the 90s pics of men holding up signs along the lines of faggots supporting dykes. and vice versa. this fear of saying these words in our community v much comes from the critically online crowd who doesn't actually go out and interact with their community (not saying you or everyone obviously just the people that push this shit really hard). they would rather squabble over words and slurs and labels than actually doing anything worthwhile.

and just on a personal note, like I said, I'm both a "wlw" and "mlm" although I find those words a little hallow. masculinity =/= sexuality and while I may be butch, that doesn't equate to manhood. even if it did, that's not entirely precluding me from finding community with others I relate to. but I grew up experiencing love for other women as a queer woman. I still do, even though I'm transmasc and use he/him pronouns in every day life (not on here and it's not misgendering to call me she or they, but for my safety I don't advertise any of that irl) but I don't mind being seen as a queer woman, that's deeply a part of how I learned to love in this world. and it got me called dyke. a lot. both when I was identifying as a lesbian, and when I wasn't. on the flipside, however, I am transmasc and butch. I present to the world with a masculine name and most strangers call me "sir" and use he/him for me. my boyfriend is a gay trans man (loosely, they also identify as nonbinary and his relationship to gayness is complicated but that's not my post to make). we are both on hrt and he's had top surgery. when we go out in the world together as a couple, most people see two gay men. we've been called faggots over it (shoutout to the bartender in Detroit for that one). is my experience materially any different than that of a 100% binary trans man getting called a faggot? is the way I present precluding me from being able to say I identify as a queer woman (and man) that loves women in a very queer way? if you look at me, a masculine individual with a beard that gets called a man by strangers and you say I cannot be a woman, what does that say about trans women? if you look at me and say the way that I present to the world doesn't count and doesn't matter, and the way me and my boyfriend conceptualize our relationship isn't right, why is that your business? again, not personal you but general You.

tldr gender is super fucking complicated and messy and so is sexuality and boiling it down to who can say what slurs is honestly really detrimental to our community and all of this is kind of The Point of my post.... and that is not an attack on you at all you're very lovely and I appreciate the message and how sincere it is! and you do not have to agree with me in fact I suspect many people won't. but that's okay. at the end of the day, this community isn't about agreeing with everyone. it's about protecting ourselves and our siblings from harm and loving each other.

[sleepykyupid]

୨୧ ꒰ 𝓡𝒖𝒍𝒆𝒔 𝒇𝒐𝒓 𝒊𝒏𝒕𝒆𝒓𝒂𝒄𝒕𝒊𝒐𝒏 ꒱ ઇઉ

︵‿︵‿୨♡୧‿︵‿︵

please do not be weird when you're interacting with me!! i am not comfortable discussing sexual topics regarding to myself nor am i comfortable with sexual people from the get-go

please use tone tags when speaking to me, especially if we don't know eachother that well! i have a hard time differentiating tone, esp when it comes to jokes and sarcastic remarks and it'll create many difficulties when we're talking >_<

and don't talk about canonxcanon ships with me if they include characters i kin or characters i simp for! ofc you can still like and reblog canonxcanon stuff but do not discuss it with me within any capacity

ꔫ︰꒰🪷୭ 𝐃𝐍𝐈 ๑ ˎˊ˗

⊹˚ ︵‿₊˚ʚ﹕ɷ ꒰🍓꒱ ✧﹕ɞ˚₊‿︵ ˚⊹

i usually block first, but sometimes people just slip through the cracks. my dni list is below:

⊹˚ ︵‿₊˚ʚ﹕ɷ ꒰🍓꒱ ✧﹕ɞ˚₊‿︵ ˚⊹

❦ under 16. this is a big one besides basic dni criteria. i had nothing but awful experiences with those under 16. sorry if you think you're an exception, i am not taking the chances of receiving death threats and comments telling me to kill myself

❦ basic dni criteria

❦ cishet teenage boys

❦ very political

❦ cryptobros + ai bros

❦ supporters of problematic creators: ie- jk rowling, yandev, wilbur soot, shane dawson, etc.

❦ support bi/pan lesbians/gays (he/him lesbians and she/her gays are perfectly valid, though!)

❦ ship/draw nsfw of real life people or support it

❦ lolicons and shotacons

+ for the most part, i'm just a tiny self-shipper trying to go about my day, though. i have NO interest in ship discourse at the end of the day.

❦ fetishize mlm/wlw and only see gay men and lesbians as sexual objects

❦ romantically ship and sexualize aroace characters

+ anyone that ships lesbian characters with men and gay characters with women

︵‿︵‿୨♡୧‿︵‿︵

#꒰📌✦ rules

[shivasdarknight]

guess who's not feeling as tired as yesterday (:

blanket "this is based in observations and not a broad declaration of fact" statement here, because this is the site of media literacy

but i just. really want to know what it is with trans mascs* and wlw. because between people ive met who had already transitioned to people ive been around who transitioned actively while i knew them, theres just been this predominant trend of just. trashing wlw. and if not that, then just outright ignoring it.

some have had all these excuses for why they get to be exempt from engaging with it (even if it's just...idk supporting a friend who does wlw?), others dont have good excuses or even try to give one, while many just play lipservice and then go back head over heels into mlm (esp fkn. sor/ikus, im beyond sick of those fans in general but the sapphobic ones are a special kind of annoying). and ive known a lot of people who do the lipservice stuff, and theyre also the people who get weird about bi sapphics - almost like their support of wlw was just to get the women out of the way and not as competition for the men they want to predominantly ship with?

but there really is just. a lot of trans mascs who refuse to touch wlw, yet expect sapphics to support their mlm ventures. and god forbid its t4t wlw; i rarely see cis4cis wlw from trans mascs, but never see t4t wlw. but just. why. reiterating a point that gets brought up wrt transmisogyny, but that point of "having grown up with misogyny" sure gets brought up a lot so one would think - esp if this is one of the many "used-to-be-bi-but-now-are-gay-trans men-who-end-up really biphobic"**, why have i known so many why is this a trend - that they would understand the issues surrounding the low visibility and support of wlw, or even just be sympathetic, but theyre just so quick to pull all support?? and again: especially when it concerns anything to do with trans fems.

idk. it's frustrating. it's hard enough to get most people - regardless of identity - to get on board with supporting wlw (esp the wlw folks who don't do sensual handholding, like myself), so it's really maddening to see this happening while they want us to put in the energy for them but they make excuses for why they won't with anyone else - plenty enough w general sapphics, but god forbid its t4t sapphics.

*im using trans mascs here as a general catch all because Yes I Do Understand That There Are Plenty Of Trans Masculine People Who Still Fall Under Sapphic. im saying this because "trans men" is too narrow and doesnt include the trans masc identities that aren't sapphic

**no seriously ive met a lot of them. it's usually formerly-bi gay trans men who suddenly get really vile about bisexuality. and these are the ones who do lipservice because they support wlw usually as cis4cis les4les while ignoring everything else (eSP T4T AND/OR BI4BI). they're also really weird about m/f (even if it's t4t, or even just t4cis, or even if theyre both queer) but thats not the point of this and im p sure that its just misogyny at that point.

#original #bleh #people who are quick to jump on the trend of attacking bi women but are loath to acknowledge anything relating to biphobia #its annoying #but thats more because so many of them have been formerly bisexuals and i dont Get It. #the rest is just #w h y #why the hostility towards wlw its so fkn ridiculous

[wolfblabbersaboutfujoandshipshit]

Intro Post I Guess

Hey, you can call Meg/Megu. This is pretty much my sideblog to ramble about ship and BL stuff. Mainly just made this so I could have somewhere to post my threads, and not spam friends and others with my ship stuff. Gonna use this pinned as an easy link to threads or whatnot that I write.

23 yr old cis bisexual dude, pronouns are he/him. Mainly focused in JJBA/JJK rn and NitroChiral. Please be 18+ if following, I may discuss, write, or post NSFW and I don’t want minors following. If I see you’re a minor, I’ll block.

More info below + links

I may post my main in this, but for rn here’s my Ao3

Ao3

Threads

Jujutsu Kaisen

Sukufushi/SKFS/宿伏

Togainu no Chi AU

Fics

Jojo’s Bizzare Adventure

AbbaGio/GioAbba

Their Moment

Perplexing

More Info

Even though a lot of this will be BL and MLM pairings, I also do like Het and GL and WLW parings so just expect those as well.

TWs will be used on posts that deal with potentially dark content.

If you have ideas that I could write for threads, feel free to say em I may write them or not, I like writing. Just no lolishota related, that’s makes me greatly uncomfortable.

Tbh I probably won’t be posting about Bara/Furry stuff on here, more likely I’ll make a different side blog for that stuff esp. since that would mostly be NSFW.

Feel free to mute tags or block me if you dislike a ship or whatnot.

I honestly don’t care about Top/Bottom dynamics, as long as it’s about my pair I don’t care either way. Yeah I may have some preferences like liking KakJota more than JotaKak but it’s not an end all be all for me. If you’re someone who’s a stickler for that type of the stuff you’ll probably get annoyed lol. I will try at least to mark 

I don’t really have a DNI, just don’t be a fucking MAP or bigot or some shit. 

To be blunt, I honestly don’t give two shits about Pro/Anti related stuff. It’s annoying and just grates on my nerves, esp. coming from Twitter where some fandoms were infested with nonstop fighting. I mainly mention this in case people ask “Oh are you pro or anti affiliated”, dude I just want to ramble about my ships like some weeaboo, not have this blog become discourse focused. Again if you genuinely dislike a ship I post you can mute the tags or block me, no hard feelings will be felt.

If I’m talking about a ship I dislike, I will censor the ship name so not to shit up the fans of it’s tags/search

#pinned #intro #wolf rambles

[formerprincewille]

God I hate overused epithets in fic. Takes me right out.

#personal #fanfic #I get it’s hard esp with mlm or wlw #but when I have to read ‘the taller boy’ ‘the shorter boy’ ‘the younger/older boy’ ‘the blonde’ ‘the curly haired’ over and over #ahhhh I hate it even when I love a fic otherwise #small gripe though I would never reject a fic for having them I just want to make my own edits 😂

[ramblingsekai]

Favorite group: honestly my #1 spot is tie between Vivid Bad Squad and 25ji. I love how cool the VBS cast are and the whole partners thing is great. Plus they’re basically like wlw/mlm solidarity lol. Also, Anhane and Akitoya are both great. An is so cool, Kohane is cute and doing her best, Toya is trying to have a good time, and Akito is Akito. As of the current Global server event (Singing in Sync) I’m still trying to get 4 star An and Akito. I’ve gotten 4 star Kohane like 4 times. Pls gacha gods pls.

And then 25ji. Man I just love seeing their stories progress. I get Mafuyu’s struggles, I adore Kanade, I want the best for Mizuki, and then Ena is just doing her best too. I also love seeing them become better friends with each other even though they were the only group who were actually already together from the start of their main stories. Like they’ve interacted and known about each other for awhile probably, but now we’re finally seeing them connect and learn more about each other. Kanade/Mafuyu are just so good and MizuEna is like a slowburn and I just want to see more. Though, honestly with 25ji you can pretty much mix and match any of them together since they all kinda work lol.

I think with VBS and 25ji, I just adore every member which is why they’re tied for my #1 spot. Well that and also, I just love all of their songs. I love the fast paced and cool songs from VBS like Ready Steady and Rad Dogs. And then with 25ji I adore the angsty songs we get from them. I’d list them but it’d end up being like 90% of them.

The other groups are all fantastic as well. I enjoy their story lines and characters as well, but something about VBS and 25ji esp hit me hard.

Also, please more MMJ love.

#project sekai #sorry for the unorganized rambles #just some thoughts I wanted to get out #but yeah #vivid bad squad #25ji #also sorry if you end up seeing my rambles often. #something about projectsekai just makes my brain go brrrr

[valentinesparda]

hello, i don't follow you but i saw your post about being nb and pan and feeling out of place in the self ship community and I just wanna say you're not alone. i'm unaligned nb and mspec too and i feel like that too sometimes. i'm happy that mlm and wlw get the support and appreciation they deserve and i'm certainly not complaining about that. i just feel like there's still a lot of emphasis in the self ship community about fitting into the binary or being aligned one way or another, even when it comes to posts about nb self shippers. and that kind of bums me out because even in lgbt+ spaces, being nb, esp if you're not fem or masc aligned, kind of makes people overlook you. it's a bit disheartening, tbh.

hello anon, thank you for sending this!! i love how far the community has come in accepting and raising up mlm and wlw but you hit the nail on the head in saying that!! i mean, it's okay to want to identify on the binary or with a binary, but some of us don't....feel that way.

there isn't still any proper language to discuss nonbinary attraction and it kinda hurts. actually, no it does hurt. i don't want to land in one boat or the other and even if i DO land in one boat, I'm still seen as like....i dunno, boy/girl lite?? and that doesn't sit well with me at all

and again, identifying as loving women / loving men specifically completely ignores the majority of my own attraction labels and that's my other issue. nblw feels like it erases me being attracted to masc aligned people / men, but nblm erases being attracted to women / fem aligned people - not to mention the fact that even then, people are already assuming most nb people are falling on one presentation or the other by including nb people in their label but only when they fit one binary box or the other

i dunno. I'm really really tired lmao i want to make inclusion and positivity posts but that's hard to do when it feels like I'll get talked over regardless.... thanks for sharing anon, i love you 💙💙

#asks #not discourse dont tell me it is. thanks

[pseudoneiiric]

@badboysupr​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​ sent:  8. Name any three things about the rpc that bother you.  /  accepting!

ummmmmmm hmmmmmmmmmmmm. i’ll be honest, i used to care a lot more about what went on in the rpc, and now i’m a little more tired. i think there’s a couple things i can probably name:

bias towards male muses / over-sexualization of male muses and prevalence towards mlm ships. i’ve always been annoyed with how much more attention my male muses get over my muses of other genders, and i have had people complain about gender headcanons for them. and i don’t know if this is an rpc problem or just a People Problem, but people are so much more likely to treat my male muses as. uh. sex objects? and there’s a huge difference between “oh h.inata is totally my muse’s type“ vs “haha h.inata so sexy i want to [redacted] his [redacted]” like. i am fine if it’s more of a muse thing, but when it’s a mun thing it freaks me out so hard, oh my god, especially when it comes to sexualization vs like, oh i just like him a lot. and i think it scares me a lot more with my male muses because it’s just happened so often, like. if someone were like “i have a total crush on m.ahiru” or “r.ika is so pretty can i marry her” i’d be like. aw!! esp if they’re um, wlw or nblw in some capacity. anyway this is a little tangent-y but i don’t like how male muses are treated in rpc so i generally try not to write too many

i think it kind of sucks that the rpc is a little bit of a black hole of, um, people not wanting to pay attention to others or get to know them on any sort of personal level. and it does suck, though i don’t really know how to get out of it, because like, sometimes people do need to set those kinds of boundaries, you can’t be best friends with all your mutuals, and you can’t expect that your mutuals will always be there for you. but it does suck and the rpc has always been a terribly lonely place

this is entirely a personal thing but i’ve been experiencing a lot of eye strain for the past few years so like, it SUCKS that people’s themes can be so filled with. same-y colours, small text, moving things... god, i’ve had to log off tumblr and lie down because gifs give me migraines sometimes, and sometimes gif freezer takes a while to boot up or im on mobile or whatever. it sucks. anyway yeah i don’t like the rising trend of eyestrainy themes / icons / banners or like, multiple text colours in a reply, just because it bothers my eyes, personally

#badboysupr #answered. #ooc. #kind of went off in this one but the first point actually bothers me Immensely #thank you for sending this in tho!!!!

[s-aint-elmo]

1, 2, 4, and 5 for the salty asks pls

1. What OTPs in your fandom(s) do you just not get?* 2. Are there any popular fandom OTPs you only BroTP?* 4. Do you have a NoTP in your fandom? Are they a popular OTP?* 5. Has fandom ever ruined a pairing for you?*

ooo all shipping questions. i'm pretty chilled out on shipping and shipping opinions in d20 because either in-canon romance hits the spot or rarepairs/unconventional/experimental ships are unexpected delights, but i would have to say:

1: i completely get the basis of calmethar but i simply do not feel anything towards it

2 and 4: fabriz is a hard brotp for me. them as a romantic dynamic just don't do it for me, and personally i can't help but be annoyed when i encounter it in places where i wasn't actively looking for it. i know that there is nothing i can do to stop people from shipping it and it is 100% not my place to, but i get a little petty/tired sometimes when it's just an endless stream of them. (i'm also slightly resentful of how there will always be that one conventional mlm ship that will eclipse almost all others, esp wlw ships, as a holdover from my days as a weeb.) if they're for you, that's cool! i simply do not care for it. finally, that goblin? aroace 💖

i am much more interested in the dynamic of aelwyn/fabian who technically had an awkward breakup three months ago and are now snobby rich bffs but keep pretending to date just to mess with adaine

5: oh i am sure i held vehement hatred in my heart for certain ships at thirteen but i no longer remember any of them. i do know that the formula was: any ship i'm neutral about but due to sheer popularity/certain people causing me to encounter them repeatedly/urging me to change my stance on them grew to viciously dislike out of spite. i've mellowed with age

#asks #dimension 20

[imfromthemiddlekingdom]

TW// ED fanfic masterlist

aThese are all of the best fics about ed i’ve read in my six or so years on ao3, most of them are pretty triggering but they get the job done ya know.

Les Misérables 

·  Pylades Fasting - Enjolras/Grantaire (7/10) not really that angsty so it isn’t higher but it is angst with a happy ending if that’s what you’re looking for.

·  Becoming a Ghost - Enjolras/Grantaire (8/10) depiction of ed’s is realistic and I probably read this at least once a month to break me out of a binge cycle.

·  J'ai oublié (I forgot) - Enjolras/Grantaire (7/10) sad, really sad. but very triggering so that’s good. ·using Enjolras’ dedication to start restricting again, very smart I am· 

·  just keep your head above - Enjolras/Grantaire (6/10) montparnasse is babie so thats good. eng messes up again and tarie has to deal with the fall out. when does he not

Bandom

·  Mad as a Hatter (Thin as a Dime) - Ryan Ross/Brendon Urie (9/10) gods this fic always manages to make me not binge and restrict, honestly I’d give it a 10/10 if they didn’t make brendon to be such a saviour. 

JoJo no Kimyou na Bouken| JoJo’s Bizzar Adventure

·  Rent-to-own Sanity - Giorno centric (8/10) recently read it and gosh is it good, characterization is on point and istg i may have fallen a lil bit more in love with him.

·  spiraling - Giorno centric (7/10) takes place after the events of golden wind so it may not make sense unless you’ve finished it. ed is mentioned but it isn’t really the whole point of the fic, still good though, still good enough to make me restrict anyways.

·  Appetite of A people pleaser - Fugo centric (8/10) extremely angsty, everybody lives nobody dies so abbacchio stans are in luck, although fugo stans are gonna have their hearts ripped out of them. depiction of ed’s is extremely realistic therefore extremely triggering to me which is kinda good lmao /srs

·  In Memory of the Past and What Comes After - Trish centric (7/10) my bby goes through so much in this fic.... tw//sh though, like kinda graphic if im remembering right.

Shingeki no Kyojin| Attack on Titan

·  Corp de Ballet - Erin and Mikasa centric (7/10) wlw and mlm, great for motivation esp. if you’re involved in the hell that is ballet.

·  Mikasa Ackerman - Mikasa/Annie (6/10) didn’t really like the plot but back it did the trick in getting me out of b/p cycles.

Hunter x Hunter

·  FREAK - Illumi/Hisoka (9/10) really good, absolutely very very good. there is smut so if yall don’t like it i suggest yall skip this one even though it is very effective in making me feel bad about myself.

Naruto

·  a long hard twenty-year summer vacation - Ino/Sakura (8/10) modern setting, really really really good 

·  I Want To Be - Ino/Sakura (9/10) tw//sh 

·  What We Did To Me - Genma/Raido (6/10) really well written but ed isn’t really the main focus. 

Boku no Hero Academia| My Hero Academia

·  Blessed - Tamaki centric (8/10) not that triggering tbh but a really good read

·  Problems - Shinsou/Izuku (8/10) this one hits a lil too close to home with the bullying and ed but its so freaking good.

·  A Bowl of Oatmeal - Dabi/Shigaraki (7/10) tw//child abuse 

·  acid and iron - Izuku centric (8/10) best dad award goes to aizawa 

·  What’s Wrong With Me? - Jirou/Momo (9/10) wlw power couple nothing else to say but gosh is this fic good

·  Disarm - Dabi centric (10/10) found family trope has my knees weak with want 

Stranger Things

·  Sleepovers - Nancy/Robin (9/10) gods i wish that were me 

·  empty walls can't hear you scream, can't see you languish - Steve centric (8/10) steve is a mess, robin is a BAMF and ed’s still suck ass

·  La Sylphide - Billy/Steve (9/10) Ballet AU so you know its gonna be angsty and ed heavy

Batman

·  Off Beat - Dick and Tim centric (8/10) another ballet au.

Haikyuu!!

·  Trust - Kageyama centric (7/10) tw//sh

·  O - Kageyama centric (7/10) not very accurate but good enough ya know

·  defiance - Tsukishima centric (8/10) giraffe is in denial about the whole ed thing

(ill update this when i have the time to read more fanfics, but currently skls kicking my ass so imma head out)

#anorexya #fanfic #bulimiia

[improbablecarny]

i've seen a lot of nonbinary men identifying as transfem and a lot of nonbinary women identifying as transmasc lately and i was just wondering, what do you think about that? bc my initial reaction was like, hard no that's transphobic bc when i id'd as a trans man we would always use transmasc as an umbrella term for trans men + man aligned nb regardless of gender expression but like, it seems like in wlw spaces and mlm spaces it's more used for fem nonbinary mlm and masc nonbinary wlw (1/2)

so i don't know what to think? i said it was transphobic in an lgbt discourse fb group & was told that i dont get a say since im a """nonlesbian""", which i find absolutely hilarious since i AM an nb bi woman who is transmasc by their definition + id'd as transmasc previously. but then i discussed it with a mostly nb group of other wlw and began to soften my stance but im still skeptical bc of my own experience of how transmasc was used in the trans male community (2/2)

I don’t identify as transmasc myself so I’m probably not the best person to ask about this -- however it is strange they would tell you that you can’t speak on it for being a “nonlesbian” when this is definitely an issue that would affect more than just lesbians...as is demonstrated by it affecting you... and it affecting Literal Men...

FWIW I have had friends and acquaintances who have used transfem/transmasc as self-descriptors despite not necessarily identifying as (even partially) as women/men, just as a means of quickly describing their own transition. eg. an agender person who does not identify as a man in any way, but takes T and wants top surgery, referring to themselves as “transmasc”. It’s kind of a really personal thing I think in how individual people want to describe their own identity and relationship to gender, esp in convos specifically about transition

But yeah idk people who identify as transfem/transmasc should probably weigh in there, I’m basically just repeating stuff that others have said to me

#Anonymous

[sleepydebris]

being bi and also a transmasc person on the internet gets so exhausting sometimes even lgbt+ spaces. the ‘why be a man when you could just not? ❤️’or the ‘ew liking men is gross’ rhetoric gets exhausting as an mlm, ESPECIALLY as trans bc sometimes ppl will add a like, disclaimer that they only mean cis men and it always comes off very... ‘oh i dont mean you, i mean REAL men’ and (altho there of course is much much nuance and our experiences do not align in many cases with those of cis men) that shit still hurts!!

and of course theres nuance im not here to speak over anyone or discuss wlw comphet or anything of the sort, but the framing of liking men as a disease is kinda....like ow, yanno?

its also hard when you’re nonbinary but for a whole other plethora of confusing dysphoria related reasons i wont get into fkgjfhkj

god i hope i dont sound like an ‘ooga booga women think men bad im the REAL victim’ incel or something, ive learned to brush it off more and more bc i know a lot of it is just harmless jokes or supposed to be at the expense of straight people, and i’ve worked to make spaces for myself (like this blog! and the other mlm/nblm positivity blogs i follow!) but i know that the mentality of ‘haha liking men is stupid why would you do that’ caused IRREPARABLE damage to me when i was younger

anyway if ur someone who likes men and you stumble upon this post, esp gbt+ please know that you are loved! there are people out there who feel what you feel and there is nothing wrong with you! your love is warm and bright and beautiful in whatever form it takes! you are deserving of love, to be in love and to be loved back and you should not have to feel guilt or shame for it!

#sleepythoughts #my brain has been acting up recently and my defenses are a bit down #so seeing those posts abt loving men being bad has rlly started to make my soft heart hurt #if u see an influx of textposts here pls dont mind me im just coping by writing abt things that make me feel loved

[incarnateirony]

Time for a rant

And some hard fucking truths about this fandom. And shipping culture. And related LGBT issues.

Edit for reblog: Since everybody’s trying to be highkey mad about everything right now, if the cut didn’t warn you, or the title, that this is going to be an unpopular AF opinion you should read all of before jumping to any conclusions, let this edit notice be that. But this post includes a bunch of shit. History I more recently and more fully talked about. The LGBT men I know that won’t touch this fandom with a ten foot pole because of shipping dialogue. And the accidental two season canon Destiel RP troll that we finally snapped and voiced beyond the meta wall from PURE EXHAUSTION.

(related posts in reference: (x) (x) (x) )

we know season great we know season 9 and its potential we know season 10 -- and most of us know its cut scenes humanity, being human, colette, the altar of winchester, the secret admirer, the boyfriends that strapped into the abaddon/colette parallels, all of it we know carver himself wrote the s10 finale and got it to film and then it got cut we know s9 he gave misha a note to play as jilted lovers from the showrunner but then we ask why did this never make it well nobody in fandom was paying attention nobody paid attention to SPN struggling the first seasons nobody paid attention to gamble's era almost getting nuked they all swore up and down this outdated americana show was about to have a queer pairing go canon because, yes, at that point *reads crumbled note* wallpaper

In fact that last one, to this date, no much how much legitimate structural meta or even deadass text current meta fandom breaks down, whether they just study the microcosm of Destiel or the macrocosm of the text with Destiel as a piece of it, can not escape the claims of *reads note again* wallpaper and T-shirts.

one year into Carver who was pulling the show out of the cancellation trashcan and vying for it to continue now that it was on netflix a DUMBASS EXEC wandered into twitter and opted to talk to fans

the goddamn network CEOship had just rotated even

”Well I blame” [disembodied force outside of our own]

no honestly I blame (parts of) pre S9 meta fandom, and I say that as a meta author they had been convincing people of intent for years When these showrunners and even rotating network execs were thrashing for life Like literally even the heads of the CW were changing not even just SPN but some fucking how the “sages” of that era didn’t have any gat damn insight onto how that might influence future engagements So out of the blue a newish network crew gets BLINDSIDED by accusations of queerbait and giant danger articles that are huge PR bombs and it turns into protect the product mode which turned into the new S10 press releases with the spontaneous sexuality field on the characters and half the filmed content ending up on the floor the short end of it is fandom fucked up hard Carver was fighting for them But in result he got a corporate shut down on a product he had ironically exploded globally too well that was earning too much profit too quickly to catch that kind of bad PR Chad Kennedy was a fateful fucking day Ever since then showrunners have had to pitch the idea at corporate when it was a nonissue before And prove why it's a valid move with test groups and marketing You can say "prove it" I really don't have to in this rant, I really do not give a SHIT if you believe me, I don’t CARE if you want to reject what is otherwise logic because I’m not about to throw anybody under a bus I really like not getting people in trouble, but this alone is a glint in the fucking RADAR of how I'm going off.

hell ask yourself why we went from Robbie calling Destiel canon to being eviscerated by queerbait claims because it didn’t fulfill what a specific audience wanted or expected, to deleting his post, to only annual actors free of their contracts daring to talk about Destiel, to corporate shutdowns where it’s crickets until Emily’s return where she’s started YOLO posting about it -- but why, why, why did we go from actual support and discussion to silence that you still rage about

Without the season nine kennedy explosion I'm pretty sure we would have had inarguable destiel canon in season 10 like late s10 Carver passed his torch to Dabb mid S11 where they kept stringing it out and ramping it up within restrictions which is why Dabb runs a very weird fucking line Dabb knows he has no promise of getting it as far as his forebearer wanted or even had written AND FILMED but he will hedge out as many lines, esp with the hand of Berens that Carver originally passed the directorial note with, as he can Wayward was a huge factor in that and tbh my hope died when Wayward died that was a HUGE weight in the network Berens was pulling

I'm at a point where i've conceded to our jane austen novel but want to see how far they take that to completion, though in reality that completion was 13.5/6 that's when I went from like, I passively enjoy and accept this content to screaming into the dumpster it's not the landmark people wanted but story structure wise within how SPN handles it's the sufficient one Recalling Dean's implicative hookups since like season six I mentioned on one hand The fact that they went full circle and bookended it in direct script mirror to Lisa after the S13 lead in would be amply sufficient to het drama and I refuse to enable hets running around the goalpost on queer people I would love better open blunt representation but I also recognize the genre of the show It's something Dean and I struggle with our server actually DeanCas have been canon for a season and a half here but maintaining that without taking a distracting romantic genre tilt or whatever is its own form of challenge We write established relationship openly, without bars, to the point we DMed each other for months like WHEN WILL THEY CATCH ON WTF but the problem, ironically, is that it's so parallel to the show nobody caught on

which really, though it didn't start as a conscious experiment, and was natural tells me everything I need to know even wiping what I knew on production and itk ends even if I just had that it says e v e r y t h i n g I have literally watched people laugh track completely serious content, because it's gay ergo it's funny LGBT people. Shippers.

I wrote subtle lines. They got ignored. I wrote blunt lines. They flew past heads. I wrote lines designed to be overt to the point of painful. They got laughed off. Het culture is a hell of a drug. Both in this RP and in how we interpret romances like DeanCas, even LGBT people and shippers, because people are expecting performative results and statements where either for the former they don't fit the show or genre or for the latter, there's some sort of restriction or imposition but there's authors writing their gay little hearts out and tearing their hair out after.

I've been the author tearing my hair out until I wrote a Cas, explicitly, in a moment, to be as blunt and straightforward and unmistakable as I could, to the point I felt I was bending the character to even make it happen, and debated my options for like ten minutes before doing it, just to free myself of this purgatory. And STILL got a wash of questions wanting me to *confirm* the content they just saw instead of going, gee, that’s PROBABLY WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE.

Dabb is fighting the good gay fight and being woefully under respected for it, with Berens as his copilot, carrying a torch given to him by Carver, but people are too wrapped up in a mix of prior bitterness, performative culture, personal demands and shipping culture to see the forest for the trees, because he's deadass just writing an established fucking relationship but people would rather yell either queerbait or destroying the relationship. PR deadass pitched Absence like a het breakup drama and nobody blinked, just yelled how mean it was

Am I hinging my hopes on hammer-on-head-overt-canon-kissing-scene-DeanCas for the final season, no. Would I be surprised if it happened, knowing the execs? No, beyond breaking past corporate walls fandom dropped like a curtain in S9

But considering how "fuck performative culture" Berens is, as a gay man, fangirls absolutely should not fucking expect that either in even the most wild "the chains are broken, burn it all" method

Every queer man I know ships Destiel. Simultaneously, every queer man I know fucking loathes the sum of shipping culture with a vengeance.

Because it's grossly out of touch with MLM and is mostly WLW people trying to speak for what they think MLM should be when we already pretty much have the MLM right there.

YOU WANNA KNOW HOW THE ACTUAL QUEER MEN I KNOW SEE HOW THIS FANDOM HANDLES DESTIEL DESPITE BEING AVID SHIPPERS WHO SEE IT AS CANON ALREADY AND GET SCREAMED DOWN?

And since everyone likes to imagine the straight male audience as some borg, have a straight male friend exploding when someone called a fandom speakpiece a trainwreck. Bless his heart for not getting what queer or bi really mean situationally but his heart’s in the right place

I’m tired. Tired of trying to illustrate this to an audience I realized I have never once in my life been straight-coded enough to incorporate myself to much less understand the lensing of. Tired of watching queer men that I know who love this shit hide away in the recesses of DMs to hide from conversations lest they be accused of being homophobes or whatever by people refusing to read context, and/or just be smacked down by actual homophobes or just deadass rival shippers that refuse to see anybody be happy with something they don’t like in something that was never realistically a rivalry to begin with, because rivalry implies relative equality-ish and while all ships are equal in fanon, they aren’t necessarily in canon, and despite the thrashing and baying of antis this isn’t and will never just be a “fanon ship.”

Unpopular opinion but the biggest enemy to LGBT people isn't hets, it's the LGBT community, because we're too busy invalidating own own content and creators to make a truly unified front against het culture (or in this case, the network), and waving a flag with a lot of letters doesn't do anything to fix that. Yelling online into tumblr doesn’t fix that. @’ing creatives who have no power in this beyond the option to drop any attempt at queer resonant content cold turkey for you all to yell at them about THAT too doesn’t fix it.

No, yes, DeanCas are perfectly valid as Thebian warriors where one is clearly ace spectrum and the other is bisexualish if repressed as long as they are clearly enamored with and engaged with each other; no, nobody needs to fulfill anybody's migrating quota list when every romantic checkbox has been hit already that would be respected if they're het; would coming out statements in this sort of complicated relationship be great, sure, but they aren't in the kind of show that even addresses that and there's no way to make them even perform as the isolationists that they are without breaking or damaging the characters, not in the public eye, not in a show that hasn't shown a single sexual dean encounter for six-plus seasons for any other reason than to highlight a major traumatic problem in his life. 

No, I wasn’t “hiding my gays.” My gays just didn’t have their bedroom times put on blast while they even openly made comments about the nature of their relationship everybody flagged down because they weren’t making out in front of everyone, even if that hand *did* drag a shoulder too long, even if Dean *Did* inexplicably drag a naked flatlining human Cas into the FUCKING med bay out of the Dean Cave at like 6 AM in the morning. Yes, your dedication to talking down content is that fucking loud even if you don’t realize it.

SPN is never going to be a show where the characters distinctly identify "I'm a nonbinary demiman ace-spectrum demisexual" and "i'm an aromantic bisexual with a female inclination", it's just not, stop trying to make it happen, it isn't gonna happen, realistically they are not the kind of people to engage gender politics, they're just going to be themselves. And it's queer, and it's beautiful. Fandom needs to stop moving goalposts because it's becoming more and more transparent. They just need to __. Go to dinner, check, have lingering touches walking past each other, check, admit love for one or the other, check, watches the goalpost run off into the horizon Kiss, you mean kiss, you want them to kiss, but Dean hasn't had that in how many years and what was the framing of the last moment of that. 

SPN isn't about romance. Antis are right in that. But romance exists in SPN and one needs to mind the framework of it to not tilt the entire central focus of a genre show. One can have romance without being about romance, but people need to be conscious of what that means before they advocate about it. When Ruby or Anna were around they were dangerously close to becoming "about romance" which is why there was such a goddamn fit because these women were clearly tailor crafted to be plugged into a light/dark parallel in the back of the Impala

They haven't had a kissing-based romance in SPN for eight years. Ten if you cut past Lisa as a literal prop.

And if we wanna demand creator confirmation before we consider ace-y romances valid we'll talk about the biromantic commentary of S8 or the jilted lovers of S9 or the confirmed parallels of S10 or any of the overt shit after that, which got hit by marketing walls. We had that. They got yelled at for queerbait. Because it didn't hit people's quota. So we yet again hit a wall. Shipping fandom exhausts me. And I say that as a DeanCas shipper

I am literally watching people run their own goalposts around all the goddamn time Cas is so much more than becoming background commentary in the back of the impala like ruby and anna were geared to be He's his own goddamn individual, currently all but free of the wants and lusts of man from food to sleep to drink to urination to sex to PBJ, but deeply enamored -- per actual citation on the S8 DVD -- with humanity by proxy of a man he's given everything for Dean is a complicated individual who is growingly aware of his tug and pull with Cas on all emotional spectrums but has never once cheapened him to just being a sexual tool, reasons of which we can headcanon away, but he's never turned Cas into one of his bad coping mechanisms like Porn Star or Amazon or Deanmon's Fling And those, plus one waitress and a vague strip club incident in grief he came home from, sum up his post-lisa excursions, from a man who used to lay a different woman every episode in early seasons WelCoME to mlm cuLTURE In the actual L for love, not lust because kinda like jensen's headcanon of prostitute Dean there's even a chapter of feeling tossed away that's not what it's a b o u t and never was so performative DeanCas enrages me genuinely And if people have a genuine kink okay I guess but like, admit that's what it is. Otherwise assess the actual state and stasis of the characters in play and the cultural/gender issues involved, because it's soooo often either WLW or straight girls looking at MLM and deciding what they think it should be and it m i s s e s t h e m a r k b y a a m i l e and then the gay dudes hide in nooks or get besgieged by fangirls or are a Ben and avoid fandom entirely best Deans I've ever written with were with gay dudes tbh Kemi got the art of it enough to pre-write some scenes before they ever aired but there's elements that just vanish into the aether with either queer women or straight dudes. Different parts disappear Never had a straight girl write a Dean, don't intend to ever try wE nEed RepResEntAtiOn [sweeps hand at the show] if people stop running their goalposts around to the calls of straight girls, homophobes, and shipping culture it's right there. Is it monumental and groundbreaking, no, but SPN started as an outdated callback piece to begin with and has vaulted into the almost-current, so let's check ourselves in what we expect out of it. It's not gonna be a banner. But it's content actual queer men AVIDLY invest themselves in only to be told it's not enough/whatever in a world where there is dangerously low bi male representation, most is gay male, and most of that is hugely problematic stereotype easily replaced by a rainbow lamp wearing a boa and a sticky note pointing people towards plot. And in generous cases, are like Malec, which are a mix of creepy and stereotype. Yes let's nevermind the ancient warlock drawing the 18 year old dude into the allure of his thick eyeliner and glimmer and spandex pants, nothing to see here folks. but somehow we've reached a point as a culture that the above is considered better than "ageless deity becomes enamored with humanity through bond with one man, falling into him regardless of gender, surrendering all it knows to become like that man and protect that man, and becoming like unto a man, and learning the ways of man, through all classic romantic tropes known to man, and even classic endings and bookends of all romances given to man, only to settle in to a stable relationship baseline with a man, after sharing courtship gifts with a man" just because somebody, some fucking where, in a mix of bitterness, homophobia, and goalpost moving decided "public kiss or it doesn't count" even if we're left to wonder how that timeless thing knew what was under his pillow he kept safe that he came into his room and played him to get after a classic romantic gift.

Stop. It.

Yall may be wanting to victim pose because somebody else convinced you that you were a victim here but I’m a middle aged person willing to view history and accept basic FUCKING responsibility.

Because there’s a distinct fucking difference between “victim blaming” and “have some perspective and some basic adult responsibility in the unfolding of history as it happened rather than reframing it post-event because somebody else convinced you that’s what happened”.

The only people anyone is victims of in this fandom is people they took the word of as gospel without them having any sort of actual developmental insight at the time.

You wanna play victim?

Take it up with them.

As a modern meta author that primarily deals with actual legend and theology mytharc with a side of DeanCas structure I STILL run in to walls from antis erected by the people before me that did, indeed, use the methods they whip up as excuses, so if you’re gonna victim pose, I’m just as much of a victim of those people as you are, difference is I wasn’t enough of a follower to believe them when they preached “performative queer canon gospel to meet fangirl hetnorm performative demands of MLM we mainstreamed into our basic expectations because somebody told us to” at the time or now or ever. 

In fact, here’s the conversation that LED INTO THIS RANT.

CastielToday at 12:27 AM Old SPN has its values in a form of nostalgia or genre-searching it had a sort of drifter grifter americana vibe the later seasons lost

GarthToday at 12:27 AM Ah, early 2000's

CastielToday at 12:28 AM Well it's more than just year it was definitely a genre piece back then

GarthToday at 12:28 AM No, I know, but shows that span a long time you can track in it where you can tell writers styles started clashing in a way

CastielToday at 12:28 AM and that genre was pretty much dead at that point so even when it was new, it induced nostalgia "This is familiar I miss this where did this go" but in being so oldschool as it aged forward it aged worse and worse against the modern and Misha was the first bolt that really sparked a dynamic shift it was a breath of fresh air that carried it through kripke's plan and almost doubled its respective viewership in scale but still kept the old spirit Gamble desperately tried to capture that spirit but did not understand the actual essence of that spirit and budget restrictions didn't help due to twitter buzz she thought that spirit was "just duh brudders" which is dangerously reductionist

GarthToday at 12:30 AM Hey, Misha saved it in more then one way.

CastielToday at 12:30 AM the brothers were ironic vehicles for that spirit that gave it faces but it was a weird form of american dream that america hadn't realized its dream had warped into 50 years ago the american dream was a 3/2 bed bath and business degree

StarfiraToday at 12:31 AM I don't get how Gamble thought Misha's Cas was expendable. She just couldn't get her mindset out of s1-3 mentality I guess.

CastielToday at 12:31 AM but as that became labored with culture and debt the american dream drifted into freedom, exploration and the road with some sense of familiarity in classics, be it cars or music

GarthToday at 12:31 AM Funny, I can watch some episodes and go "huh... well... it gets better" and that says a lot that I view Se1-3 like that

CastielToday at 12:32 AM Once security was no longer a security, and people became anchored by their illusions of security into desperate survival to maintain that illusion of security, the idea of roadster americana was the new american dream

GarthToday at 12:32 AM Hmmm good point

Aryn Prime #TokenStraight😘Today at 12:32 AM I just looked at spn Facebook comments and geeeezzz

GarthToday at 12:33 AM I keep having to remind myself about a few details outside of SPN because being able to just wait for Netflix to get a new season then rewatch it all from the beginning has made me have a different view then others.

CastielToday at 12:33 AM So especially to the older generation older SPN has a strong nostalgic value you were lik six when it aired so that era is gone to you

GarthToday at 12:34 AM Yeah, 1996 Nov is me

Aryn Prime #TokenStraight😘Today at 12:34 AM One dude on Facebook said he resents that the actors have kids since he heard that part of the reason that it's ending is because J2M want more time with their families Wtf

CastielToday at 12:34 AM Whereas when it first aired

GarthToday at 12:34 AM I first watched when I was 14

CastielToday at 12:34 AM it was reflecting an age lost

GarthToday at 12:34 AM Aryn, wtf?

CastielToday at 12:34 AM to people desperately trying to find it but in reflecting old times it aged very poorly Gamble still didn't understand what made the appeal so regressed it to brothers without that true americana vibe while culling Cas which was a disaster

GarthToday at 12:35 AM See, it's like the same thing on how I can enjoy some older shows while understanding that it no longer works anymore. Older shows don't age well normally. And yeah, Se7 hahahahahahahhahahahahaha man once I stepped back and looked at the details of season 7 during the third rewatch I was like "hmm..... yeah. this sucks."

StarfiraToday at 12:36 AM I graduated high school in 2000 so those of you were kids when you watched SPN make me feel old. LOL

GarthToday at 12:36 AM lmao

CastielToday at 12:37 AM MOOD STAR MOOD

StarfiraToday at 12:37 AM AT LEAST I'M NOT ALONE WITH THESE YOUNG WHIPPER SNAPPERS

CastielToday at 12:37 AM You were probably in the generation that if you had tuned in when it was fresh you would have been like OH I REMEMBER THIS

GarthToday at 12:37 AM LMAO

CastielToday at 12:37 AM I MISS THIS it's not by fluke that Dean's theme song is literally titled Americana

GarthToday at 12:38 AM Ah yes.... the theme song....

CastielToday at 12:38 AM It was a whole beautiful craft

StarfiraToday at 12:38 AM I'm actually in between Dean and Sam's ages

CastielToday at 12:38 AM But it had to get with the times and Gamble took it in the worst direction possible

StarfiraToday at 12:39 AM I was born in 82

CastielToday at 12:39 AM Carver... people have their issues with carver but IMO he recovered the show as well as he could with the plate he was handed in the times he was There were still problems sure

GarthToday at 12:39 AM It's gone through some ups and downs, yep.

CastielToday at 12:39 AM but to boot out of Gamble era into the modern world was no small task The WAY HE HANDLED THE PR he basically was like THAT SHIT WAS A HOT MESS AND I FLUSHED IT but eloquent it was some shit like REWATCHING THE LAST FEW YEARS I REALIZED THAT OUR LORE HAS BECOME A BIT DIFFICULT TO FOLLOW SO I DECIDED TO REVISIT MORE FAMILIAR ELEMENTS

GarthToday at 12:40 AM When the people working on the show go "shit, I forgot to make notes"

CastielToday at 12:40 AM It's not that Carver didn't make notes

StarfiraToday at 12:40 AM Oh man were so ecstatic when Carver was announced as a showrunner. Ultimately, he let me down in s9 and s10 but s8? Season 8 will always have a special place in my heart.

CastielToday at 12:41 AM it's that there was no kind way to voice that Gamble was a disaster He had a three year plan and for reasons™ got even derailed in that plan and half of it ended up in the cut footage Destiel fandom do not like hearing my take about it I'm a shipper but I recognize

StarfiraToday at 12:41 AM Is season 8 perfect? Nope, but I don't think it's easy to describe what breath of fresh air it was after the shit show of season 7 to those who weren't there when it was airing live and binged through it

CastielToday at 12:41 AM yall fucked up b a d nobody will ever own responsibility for it but carver's intent is clear as day on the creatives wall and season 9/10 became a fustercluck as a result I want everybody in this room to think about this from a creatives angle, first carver then corporate Carver said when he joined he had a three year plan with final notes on his desk from the second he walked in the door again he entered in season eight We know what happened seasons eight, nine, ten on screen

GarthToday at 12:43 AM Yeah, Star, I don't have as many problems with the seasons as others do because hello Netflix, but I can see where the issues are after some explaining and some insight into the PR stuff that happened with the fandom points at Min and others like her

CastielToday at 12:43 AM we know season great we know season 9 and its potential we know season 10 -- and most of us know its cut scenes humanity, being human, colette, the altar of winchester, the secret admirer, the boyfriends that strapped into the abaddon/colette parallels, all of it we know carver himself wrote the s10 finale and got it to film and then it got cut we know s9 he gave misha a note to play as jilted lovers from the showrunner but then we ask why did this never make it well nobody in fandom was paying attention nobody paid attention to SPN struggling the first seasons nobody paid attention to gamble's era almost getting nuked they all swore up and down this outdated americana show was about to have a queer pairing go canon because, yes, at that point reads crumbled note wallpaper

GarthToday at 12:46 AM Urgh, gotta go help with dinner prep. Mom doesn't like me being on Discord lately so I'm going to have to cut out now guys. Min, I'll catch up to your info drop afterwards lmao

since that still surprising some people too.