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#I still have many snowgrave thoughts
dork-a-doodle · 7 months
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I have so many thoughts so I’m putting them under the cut
Ok so thoughts about Fear Entity alignments for Deltarune characters!
Kris, to me, was one of the more obvious. Being the only human in town makes them a very distinct other from everyone around them, despite their attempts to blend in with their family. They’re also regularly referred to as creepy and “the class zombie” by their peers. All very Stranger-esque. They are also very clearly a victim of The Web via the Soul/Player, that’s just a no-brainer.
Susie is another easy one, she’s a Slaughter avatar if I’ve ever seen one. She lashes out with violence at the slightest hint of adversity, and only decided that non-violent solutions could sometimes be of use after almost killing one of her first real friends. And even after that she’s still always ready to bash skulls at any time.
Ralsei was an interesting one. His alignment doesn’t actually have much to do with his own fear, nor any fear he inflicts on others. But instead is a reflection of Darkners as a whole. All Darkners, as beings essentially born from darkness, are Dark aligned by default. As the Prince of the Dark, Ralsei embodies this.
Berdly as a Vast avatar is perhaps a bit more of a reach than the others, and it could be argued that he’s just as much a victim as he is an avatar. For me it comes in two parts. The first and simpler is that he’s a bird. Birds fly in the sky. The Vast deals with sky based stuff. The second is the more existential part of The Vast. Berdly struggles with being seen as unintelligent, unexceptional, insignificant. And the way he deals with this Fear is to project it onto others, belittling them and making them feel insignificant in comparison to him.
Noelle’s alignment changes based on the route. In the regular route she’s a shoo-in for The Lonely, being a quiet doormat who bends to others wills without actually being an active member. In the Snowgrave route, she fills the role of Desolation avatar quite nicely, destroying everything in her path, leaving nothing untouched by her ice. (She’s also clearly a victim of The Web in both routes, by Queen and Kris/the Soul respectively.)
Jevil is another simple one, what with the themes of chaos, madness, and unreality. Spiral avatar all the way.
I stared at Spamton for like an hour trying to figure out what to do with him. I gave up. Avatar of Capitalism ig.
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...but nobody came.
Man. So many characters in these games have major abandonment issues.
Flowey with "nobody came", which the Echo Flower dialogue confirms is him speaking from experience, feeling like Toriel forgot all about him, or worse, was glad to be rid of him.
Spade King saying the Lightners left the Darkners behind and forgot all about them.
Jevil being locked up and having no one to play with.
Spamton saying he was left to rot at the bottom of a dumpster.
Susie telling Kris in the "New Girl" post that someday someone would take Kris away and Toriel would forget all about them, or even be glad to be rid of them. Susie is definitely transferring her experiences onto Kris.
We don't know what Kris said to Susie in "New Girl", but one theory is "I know," or "Good." While this is only a fan theory (and one I don't agree with), it is worth noting that "...but nobody came" also appears in Snowgrave Spamton Neo whenever Kris calls for help.
Gaster was lost in the void, shattered across space and time. And now no one remembers him, except for his followers, who can't even speak about him directly without fear. (I'm including Jevil and Spamton as Gaster followers- they certainly came in contact with him.) This is just my own headcanon, but I often imagine Gaster waking up in the void, and his first thoughts being, "Where am I? It's so dark, and so cold," screaming, crying, begging for help... but nobody came.
For each of these characters, even if the exact dialogue isn't used, they all have an aura about them of "...but nobody came." All of them have at some point felt alone, trapped, and helpless, and nobody came to their rescue. Granted, this hasn't been positively confirmed for Susie, but given that she almost quotes Flowey when she screams at Kris, it's easy to deduce that she also had a "...but nobody came" time in her life.
And so many other characters face rejection or abandonment, as well. Toriel divorced Asgore in both timelines, leaving him desperate to see his children and his wife again. Shyren lost her voice when Shyra fell down. Maddie and Mettaton both ran off to fuse with their own bodies, leaving Napstablook alone. No one can remember Ruins Dummy's name. Mettaton was Alphys' friend until he became a big... heh, sorry, I almost said "big shot" (fitting, tho, isn't it?). So Alphys felt abandoned until she met Undyne... and then if you kill Undyne, Alphys disappears, apparently having committed suicide. Snowy left home because his mother fell down and his father hated his jokes, so Snowy felt abandoned. Ralsei is described as "the lonely prince." All of the Darkners feel abandoned by the Lightners. Queen divorced Spade King because he neglected her. Spade King pushes Lancer away- or, possibly, outright abuses him- so Lancer calls Rouxls his "Lesser Dad," even though Rouxls largely pushes him away, as well. Papyrus...
Papyrus...
"Forgettable." Still striving for a double-digit follower count on Undernet. Can't get into the Royal Guard. Works himself to the bone but can't get any recognition, much less a friend. May have "left home due to happiness." And most important, has a brother who is willing to avenge his death.
Everyone loves Papyrus. Everyone knows his name. More people talk about Papyrus than about his brother. holidaygirl1225 is asking everyone if they know how to find his egg again. Undyne is Papyrus' best friend. Alphys thinks his posts on Undernet are hilarious. The biggest differences in the ending for neutral runs fixate on whether you spared him or killed him. He even becomes king if he's the only one left alive. Why does Chara call him "Forgettable"? Why does he not think he has any friends? It's honestly a bit like Susie saying, "Why would anybody really wanna be my friend, anyway?" Except that he never lets himself say exactly that- but his whole attitude of "I can't make any friends, I have to work hard for people to like me" says it all.
It's like he does have an abandonment issue, but he's not giving in to it. Did he... Was he... was sans the only one who ever came when he called? Is that why these two are inseparable?
Much as I would like to leave this essay on this dramatic note about everyone's favorite skeleton, I also want to mention Dess. Most people believe that Dess is the one singing, "Don't forget, I'm with you in the dark." This feels like the exact opposite of "...but nobody came." How is she holding onto hope? Even though a lot of people miss her, nobody's looking for her anymore. They've all moved on. All except... her sister. Can Dess see Noelle searching for her? Who exactly is with Dess in the dark, anyway? The player, I presume, but could it be someone else?
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strawglicks · 1 year
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thinking abt how every spamvil hater ive seen villainizes jevil and victimizes spamton to the moon and back. like their argument against spamvil is ALWAYS, without fail, "it would hurt spamton :(" and then they have nothing to say about jevil or talk abt how jevil would hurt him somehow.
First of all idk where this weirdass villainization of jevil is coming from. People seem to think hes this irredeemable soulless clown who feels nothing and doesnt care abt anyone. Meanwhile, ingame, he literally admits he is lonely and was close to Seam in the past. Yes he needs to learn how to be serious and has a cynical view of the world, but for some reason the fandom doesnt see him as a complex and flawed character. they just decide hes too far gone and would hurt anyone he has a relationship with, including spamton.
And then theres spamton, everyone's favorite innocent angel never did anything wrong bbg apparently!! The fandom doesnt treat spamton anything like they do Jevil. They actually want good things for him, a better future, and feel sorry for him. That's not a bad thing, I feel the same, but these same people will ignore all his flaws and how literally evil he was in the snowgrave route. Spamton is not a good person. I thought this was explicitly clear in the game, but apparently bc he has sad lore spoonfed to the audience this is ignored.
In regards to Jevil, Spamton is extremely bitter and jealous of him. The only things spamton himself has said about jevil is that he wishes to "surpass" him, and that he lost to jevil's games in the past. He even admits he cheated in many of these games. Spamton is not a trustworthy person. if you havent noticed his character is literally based on scam emails. Spamton is just jealous of Jevil's happiness despite the situation theyre both in, which is understandable in a way. Still, it doesnt mean spamton is in the right for being bitter and resentful. There's no real evidence Jevil has actively hurt spamton in any way, esp not on purpose. He literally just beat him at games and is way happier than he is and he's angry about it.
People consume all this shit at SURFACE LEVEL- reminder that this is an unfinished game MADE TO BE ANALYZED- and dont look any deeper into these very complex and interesting characters. All these spamvil haters assume Jevil is just irredeemable and too far gone and find spamtons backstory depressing but dont think about what these two NEED to heal from their experiences. Having gone through similar shit, they're really the only people who could understand each other to such an extent. They both need to let their guard down and listen to each other because they can offer each other a different point of view on a similar situation, which is what the both of them NEED more than anything. Yes it would take a lot of time; these are very flawed people. But you cant just. leave them where they are right now and expect either of them to heal completely on their own. Being alone is the LAST thing either of them needs. Jevil literally admits to being lonely and spamton ACTIVELY gets worse the longer he is alone. Yes he has trust issues, but he needs to be able to open up if he ever wants to get better.
Theres also the argument of "spamton is afraid of clowns" which isnt valid anyway because i just got done explaining how even if hes afraid of opening up and being close to people, spamton NEEDS it if he wants any chance at getting better. Sometimes you have to face your fears to make any progress. Plus spamton himself has never shown any sign of fearing jevil. He's only ever regarded him with bitterness and jealousy.
idk how to conclude this fuck you
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coolfire333 · 2 years
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Ok but the constant mentions of “neo” and “power” in undertale/deltarune are driving me nuts, especially when the two are related to each other. From the regular Spamton neo fight alone we have:
“THIS POWER IS FREEDOM.“
“3X THE [Fire]POWER. 2X THE [Water]POWER”
“LOOK AT THE [Power of NEO]”
“[The Smooth Taste Of] NEO”
“NO!!! NO!!! NE-O!! KRIS!! YOUR [Deal] HAS FAILED!! [NEO] NEVER LOSES!!”
“With a power like that...“
And in the snowgrave fight:
“THANKS TO YOUR [Total Jackass stunts] I HAVE [Becomed] NEO”
“BUT IN A [1 for 1] BATTLE, NEO NEVER LOSES!!!”
“IT'S TIME FOR A LITTLE [Bluelight Specil]. DIDN'T YOU KNOW [Neo] IS FAMOUS FOR ITS HIGH DEFENSE!?”
(YOU WON'T FIND HIGHER ATTACK AND DEFENSE ANYWHERE ELSE!!! THE SMOOTH TASTE OF NEO "WAKE UP AND TASTE THE PAIN".)
(Spamton Neo's ATTACK dropped! Spamton Neo's DEFENSE rose greatly!)
(Spamton NEO recovered HP with Pipis!)
(Spamton NEO's DEFENSE is towering.)
Then more with the Mettaton ex fight:
“Witness the true power of humanity's star!”
(With the last of your power, you posed dramatically. The audience screams.)
Mettaton before the neo fight also brags about his new body, calling it “MY TRUE FORM!”
Swatch also mentions the “power” of the neo form:
“The Lightner filled it with their own hope, giving it an incredible power.”
“And thought he could use its power to fulfill his own twisted dreams.”
Queen has this line:
“She Will Create A Neo Dark Fountain”
And there’s also these two lines from the Jevil fight:
(JEVIL's upcoming move got powered up!)
“THE TRUE AND NEO CHAOS!”
This line Rouxls says before he turns to stone in chapter 2 also very much interests me:
“The REALE power of Rouxls Kaard...!!!”
So much association of the word “power” with being “neo,” whatever being “neo” means. Mettaton neo’s battle theme is even called Power of “NEO,” with neo oddly enough being in quotes, much like how Spamton sometimes (but not always) says "neo” in brackets, and the Japanese translation of BIG SHOT also references Power of “NEO” by being titled Power of [[BIG]].
There’s also the fact that “neo” is mostly written in all caps, but sometimes only the n is capitalized...an odd distinction, and there doesn’t seem to be a clear reason as to why one writing of neo is used over the other at various times. 
Sometimes, Spamton even keeps “neo” in all caps in the brackets, which is odd because he doesn’t speak in all capitals for phrases in the brackets, he usually either capitalizes Every First Letter like Queen does or he uses normal caps and punctuation (except for a few times in his neo form and a few times where he uses all caps for one or two words for emphasis before going back to normal capitalization) 
The repeated mentioning of the “high attack and defense” of both Mettaton neo and Spamton neo, as well as Spamton neo’s trading of higher attack power for more defense and the ability to heal himself in the weird route is also interesting, especially since this “high attack and defense” seems misleading as Mettaton neo can be killed in one hit, and although Spamton neo is immune to being killed by Kris, he is easily frozen in one turn by Noelle’s spells.
And the way it’s phrased in so many of these instances makes “neo” seem like a noun, like something tangible and not just an adjective for something new and powerful. What is neo in these contexts? What does “neo” exactly mean?
Not related to “neo” or “power” but there’s also these moments from the snowgrave Spamton neo fight, Rouxl’s thrash mashine battle, and in the Mettaton ex fight:
Spamton: “NOT!!!”
Rouxls Kaard: “NOT!!”
Mettaton: “ ...NOT!!!”
Interesting.
Also, has anyone mentioned that Mettaton speaks in all caps in his normal box form? He only uses regular capitalization for sentences during his diary entries and when he becomes Mettaton ex, but at the end of the fight he then switches back to all caps. Mettaton neo never stops using all caps. I still don’t know what all of this means but I feel like that’s worth mentioning.
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springbloggy · 4 months
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My variation of the four knights theory
This is a theory I have come up after some heavy thinking of the topic. For a while, I thought guessing the knight was something that was impossible, since there's so little about the knight and there's so many potential candidates it is difficult to widdle it down. However, I still wanted to take a crack at it and after seeing Jaru's latest theory on Dess and reading and watching some other theories I have come up with an interesting theory.
Warning: this theory does connect to older theories of mine - which I will give brief run downs of here. However I think there's some (hopefully logical) in-game reasons for why these four picks make sense.
Let's begin shall we?
The basic gist is that Deltarune stars four knights, each knight do not know or realize that each other are knights and each have their own reasons for why they might want to open dark worlds. Over the course of the game, the baton will be passed down from knight to knight before ending at the final knight of the game. Here are the four knights I believe the game will follow in order.
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Now you must have 20 questions and rebuttals, so here's why I think the game will follow these four characters as Knights and how the metaphorical baton gets passed down to these four.
Berdly
Deltarune begins with Berdly opening up the first two dark fountains. Berdly finds this cool power to open up dark worlds and wanting to create a world where he and Noelle can rule together, tries to open up one in the school's closet for Noelle to enter. But since Kris and Susie end up entering the first dark world instead, Berdly reworks his plan to create one in the Library, waiting for the right moment to create one. Not only does Berdly outright state his intentions for why he would want to create dark fountains in chapter 2, he also suspiciously mentions creating a new world and his overworld sprite even resembles a knight's armor combined with references to the Starfox games. Having Noelle kill off Berdly in Snowgrave would add to the creepypasta factor, with one of the major creators of the dark world (plus Noelle's best friend) now gone from the story. As for why the queen doesn't recognize Berdly? Given that the Knight is given it/they pronouns, it's possible when Berdly created the first dark fountain, he went under full knight disguise, helmet and all. Once finding out about the roaring, Berdly has a change of heart about creating more dark fountains (or at least doing it less often than he he did before) and the baton gets passed to...
Kris
Once finding out that anyone with enough determination can create a dark fountain, Kris seeks out to create one of their own. This is the first knight that connects to a past theory of mine, though it still can work without it. I believe that Kris in Deltarune is effectively undead, with half their own soul intact. The other half being made up by the player who has most control over Kris' body. Kris becomes the next knight in order to get rid of the player's half of their soul and get control over their life again. This also explains why Kris would want to make another dark fountain after the events of Snowgrave, because that would make them even more compelled to get rid of the player's control. However, under undead Kris theory, I believe that Kris will end up fulfilling a similar role to the masked man did in mother 3. Spoilers for Mother 3 below:
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In Mother 3, the main character Lucas loses his brother Claus in a series of tragic events that kickstart the game. Lucas is tasked in removing the 7 needles, if someone with a pure heart removes the needles, the world can be recreated. But if someone with an evil heart pulls the needles, then the world will be destroyed for good. However a robot-like masked man ends up racing Lucas for the needles. Since the masked man is evil, the world is at risk. As it turns out, the masked man is an undead Claus, rebuilt and controlled by the pigmask army. Claus gets redeemed at the end, but dies in the process.
I believe that Deltarune is the Mother 3 to Undertale's Earthbound and that Kris will fill in the role of the masked man. Like the masked man, Kris is controlled by an outside force and is tied with the game's central macguffin (needles in mother 3, dark fountains in deltarune). Kris's overworld sprite in the dark world even resembles the body armor of the masked man, even if very slightly.
Kris creating the next dark fountain ends up creating more harm than good over time. And the game's end will have Kris die. However, before that point something will happen that will shake the game up, this is the introduction of...
Gaster
I believe that Gaster is inspired by a very specific character (or at least partially inspired by them). But thanks to Jaru's theory, I am starting to believe that Gaster could be a combination of two characters from the same source.
In order to understand Gaster's influences, you must understand where they came from. They came from a book series called Wayside School. Wayside school is a school where strange and odd things happen daily, from evil teachers turning kids to apples to kids tasting ice cream that taste like each other. If the latter sounds familiar, it should, as it is the inspiration for Deltarune's teas, which is why Gaster being at least partially inspired by Wayside isn't too far out there.
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In wayside school, there's a reoccuring story about how the 19th story of the sky-scraper like school doesn't exist.
As you know, when the builder built Wayside School, he accidentally built it sideways. But he also forgot to build the nineteenth story. He built the eighteenth and the twentieth, but no nineteenth. He said he was very sorry. There was also no Miss Zarves. Miss Zarves taught the class on the nineteenth story. Since there was no nineteenth story, there was no Miss Zarves.
The teacher of this non-existent class is Ms. Zarves, who makes an appearance in the second book, where in one story, a girl named Allison gets fed up with how silly her class is acting. But when the class starts ignoring her existence, starting with Mrs. Jewls marking her absent and another kid licking her nose without realizing it. Allison becomes scared and runs down the hallways shouting whatever she could, which is what ultimately leads her into becoming a student at Ms. Zarves’ class. Ms. Zarves is described as being potentially the devil, forcing kids in her class to go through various long lessons in order to distract them from what is important.
“How did we get here?” she asked. “Maybe we’re dead,” said Mark. “Maybe we died and went to—” “This isn’t Heaven!” said Allison. “That wasn’t what I was going to say,” said Mark. Allison felt a chill run up her spine. She looked at Miss Zarves. Miss Zarves smiled back at her. “But she seems so nice,” said Allison. “Could someone as nice as her really be the devil?” “I don’t know,” said Mark. “She always gives good grades.”
That’s her plan! Allison suddenly realized. She shivered as it all came together for her. Miss Zarves assigns us lots of busy work so we don’t have time to think. She makes us memorize stupid things so that we don’t think about the important things. And then she gives us good grades to keep us happy.
So Allison frees herself from Ms. Zarves class by mimicking the behavior of her classmates.
I believe that Ms. Zarves is the primary inspiration for Gaster. Both characters exist in a schodinger's cat state where they do-and-don't exist at the same time. Both are described as being similar to the devil, with Gaster's being a bit more subtle with the 6 motif. And while a stretch, both are shown being smart, with Zarves being a clever teacher and Gaster being a scientist.
But I now believe Gaster could also be connected to one of her students. One of the most infamous scenes in Deltarune is Sans asking Kris if they could play with his little brother, giving a wink afterwards.
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While many take this as things that will come, I think otherwise. I think the wink is an indicator of things that won't come. The player's won't meet Papyrus because in Deltarune, Papyrus doesn't exist. Instead you go into the dark world and meet a skeleton who may act like Papyrus, may even look slightly like him, but he isn't Papyrus. It's Gaster.
But how? You may ask. Well, I think Gaster will be revealed as the first Darkner to find his way into the light world. Perhaps as a piece of world-building origin story, Gaster could be revealed as an old "imaginary friend" of Sans when he was younger. The memory carried with him when he got older, and even though Sans no longer plays with Gaster, he still uses Gaster as an excuse for absences and other things about the poor state of his store.
This is where things connect back to Wayside, in Zarves' classroom is a student named Ray. In a previous story, Ray is described as the trouble-making little brother of a student named Bebe. Whenever Bebe caused trouble or had something minor like missing homework, she would blame it on Ray. None of the students or teachers are any wiser to her bluff, for Ray would be too young to attend the school, so they all believe in her lie until the end of the story when the teacher of the class calls her parents and mentions Ray.
I believe that Gaster will be a mix of Ray and Zarves. He is the trouble-making "imaginary" brother of Sans but is also a brilliant scientist who's research causes others to go insane.
He tells Ralsei the prophecy and how to get in and out of the dark world, explaining how Ralsei can get into the Library and Kris' home. Then eventually, the players come across Gaster again, allowing Gaster an easy way to return to the light world, causing the light world to spiral downwards from there. His motivations could be anything, from science, to wanting to cause trouble, to wanting to free the darkners, to a combination of the three. Whatever the case, his sudden appearance causes chaos and especially effects one specific character.
The Mayor
I think the mayor will be the last character to discover what Dark Worlds are. Finding out through Gaster. When realizing there may be a way to save Dess, Mayor Holiday becomes the final knight. But more interestingly the knight that begins the roaring. There's two things that make me believe this from both Undertale and Deltarune.
First let's talk about the DT Extractor
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The DT extractor is what was used to capture the 6 human souls. What captures me about it is the fact it looks a lot like a deer skull. I personally don't believe it's appearance connects to Snowgrave, as Snowgrave is an optional route that is somewhat difficult to discover. Rather I think it is a connection to Deltarune's ending. The deer skull represents the Mayor and, while an admitted stretch, the absorption of souls represents the ruthless destruction caused by her opening fountains in a desperate attempt to find her daughter. Taking away lives in order to reach a presumed happy ending, but causing more misery.
The second is this piece of dialogue from Spamton. YOU THINK MAKING [Frozen Chicken] WITH YOUR [Side Chick] IS GONNA LET YOU DRINK UP THAT [Sweet, Sweet] [Freedom Sauce]? WELL, YOU'RE [$!$!] RIGHT! BUT DON'T BLAME ME WHEN YOU'RE [Crying] IN A [Broken Home] WISHING YOU LET YOUR OLD PAL SPAMTON [Kill You]
I think this foreshadowing of Snowgrave's ending.
First, let's talk about Undertale once again. In Undertale, the game heavily follows the Dreemurr family. The final boss before the true final boss is always the heavily built up Asgore. I believe that the Holiday family fulfills the same roles that the Dreamurr family filled in Undertale. With the heavily built up "Knight" being The Mayor. Now in the Genocide route, the game ends with Chara coming back to life, realizing what the player has done, taking control over everything, and killing everything. I think Snowgrave will end in a similar way, except instead of Chara, it's Dess. Kris gets control back in their life, but now Dess has it and will use it to create the roaring in order to free her sister and get revenge for her mother's death.
And that's it. My thoughts on the four Knights the game will follow. I am sure I probably might be wrong, but its fun to speculate.
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germpills · 1 year
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i find ppl who think spamton is the villain in the regular route/pacifist route so funny bc like when they mention him taking kris’s soul he genuinely thought he was helping them and freeing them because hes fully aware of kris’s situation and constantly projects himself onto them (somehow kinda freakish BUT STILL, and my biggest theory is how he knows is that he can see kris’s strings and struggle from the heart)
and lets be honest kris does NOT care if their soul was taken mf would probably be jumping for joy even if they fucking die they wish to be free from it and threw it into a cage who knows how many times
also the poison thing, guy is fucked up and also lives in a dumpster do u think he anything better other than probably sewage water like come on u guys think hes gonna have genuine potion, if anything it’s probably expired and turned into poison
snowgrave in ways is justifiable to thinks hes a villain hes twisted as hell there but for the regular route?? EXPLODES
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bigshotspambot · 1 year
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I do think it's kinda weird that in all of the Spamton promotion and merchandise lately, there hasn't been any mention of Spamton NEO. Like, it's one of the biggest parts of his character.
Mostly I want Spamton NEO merch so we can see the design actually drawn out.
(Side note: my boys Sweet Cap'n Cakes don't have merch either. They ain't even on the Chapter 2 poster.)
Ok I have way too many thoughts about this also so I tried to organize them (sorta long sorry lol)
At first I thought they didn’t do merch cuz it was too much of a spoiler but its been a year now. They just made a giga queen poster so maybe that means its been long enough to make merch for the boss fights now ? I’m. I’m coping so hard.
They’ve only scraped the surface of including NEO, the funpak do not disturb door hanger has snowgrave dialogue of him transforming behind the door. They also played a midi of BIG SHOT on the sweepstakes site. During the sweepstakes Spamton also said NEO[Kromer] like Twice I think.
I only recently realized that pipis are a NEO thing. They only show up during his boss fight and after he takes over the mansion in snowgrave. So I guess musical pipis and every other mention of it counts too. (but that blue egg thing that happened to noelle in catpetterz2 wasnt a NEO thing so idk its probably just something he does)
The only other version of Spamton showing up in merch is Big Shot Spamton, which makes sense because his lack of appearances in game are made up for in merch? It’s neat, but it just confuses me more about NEO
They made a Spamton shirt already and that makes me think it’s the “secret boss shirt” for chapter 2, even though it isn’t NEO
I heard it might be a really convoluted application of the “no lightner rule” because Mettaton technically designed the NEO suit to look like him, and they wont do it because he’s designed off a lightner. But I doubt it
Maybe they don’t want to illustrate NEO because his design was left ambiguous on purpose? Up for interpretation. Maybe they wanna preserve that ???
Other then these I cant think of any good reason he’d be unacknowledged for this long unless they’re planning something? They probably aren’t but hey who knows. Its totally okay though, Toby and fangamer just dumped so much awesome fanservice with the sweepstakes and raised half a million for charity so I feel like a huge asshole being sad over something so small AUGRHH
Still despite Spamton’s popularity I think NEO is kinda overlooked compared to his regular silly guy form. Which is understandable but it makes me just a tiny bit sad . (But I’m also biased because I LIKE HIM so take this with Salt)
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zombvibes · 1 year
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According to the tags of your last Allyswap post, you have other AUs. Would you like to share the premise/any doodles you have?
This sounds you’re interrogating me, anon. /lh
Anywho, I DO have other aus and YES I would LOVE to share junk about them.
So when I made the teammateswap and allyswap guys, I had multiple ideas for the characters (obviously). So one day I thought “Man. I still really like these ideas and I wanna use them.” So I did!! Which became the alt aus like as in : alt teammateswap and alt allyswap. They were originally called tms! side b and as! side b. (Which tbh? Might go back to those names…not sure though.)
Like normal teammateswap and allyswap : alt tms is susie swapping with noelle, noelle swapping with berdly, and berdly swapping with susie. alt as is susie swapping with berdly, noelle swapping with susie, and berdly swapping with noelle!
And if y’all don’t mind I’ll just share their (old icky) sprites and some haha hehe dialogue boxes :
TOP = alt teammateswap , BOTTOM = alt allyswap
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(There’s also art of them but um. It’s too old and grody for me to show on here. Unlike twitter, I want to seem prim and proper on tumblr /j)
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Anyways, I’ll probably redesign them at some point and make them ““official”” and also because some swaps don’t really make sense. (But mostly talking about the Susies and Noelles here. The Berdlys are only there so the Noelles could mess with them. Don’t tell anyone I said that though.)
There’s also like…other random aus I thought would be cool or funny but I don’t plan on doing a lot with them (which I will list now) :
THE TIMEOUT AU
- An old snowgrave au idea I had where during the Berdly fight right before Noelle does her spell, Kris rips us out of their chest and puts us in a far they found in a trashcan off screen. Kris would finish the chapter without you and you’d have to watch and think about what you’ve done. (Hence the name.)
- I already talked about how the au would work on twitter but I doubt you’d wanna go onto twitter to see something so I’ll just copy and paste everything here :
This route is called The Timeout route! Kris is tired of your bullshit so they stuff you in a jar they found in one of the trashcans from the city! You get to watch Kris, Noelle, and Berdly finish the chapter without you because you’re a prick! To start this route, during chapter 1 you have to make Kris play the piano (which they do poorly). (You’ll probably have to do many other things to piss Kris off but I can’t think of any at the moment..just know that playing the piano is not optional) Chapter 1 ends as normal! Chapter 2, you gotta start the weird route! Like just killing stuff, then you get the ring etc. But when you get to the Berdly fight, there’s a small chance that Kris stops Noelle right before she does snowgrave. Afterwards, Kris (still in battle) rips out their soul and walks off the screen. There’s trash can rummaging noises the the background. Noelle and Berdly stand there shocked and Berdly asks what’s wrong with Kris. Noelle said that Kris was acting weird all day. Kris comes back with a jar that has their soul in it. Noelle and Berdly proceed to flip their shit. Kris puts the jar in their inventory and grabs Noelle and Berdly’s hands and drags them off to the right thus ending the battle. You get to see Noelle and Berdly ask Kris plenty of questions that Kris ignores and says that they’ll talk about it later. When Kris and co meets up with Susie and Ralsei, they notice that Kris is different. Susie asks what’s wrong, and Kris says that they’ll talk later. Yadda yadda yadda Everyone gets caged (except for Ralsei). Things happen as normal with some things happening differently cause Kris is in control duh. When Susie and Kris are in front of the fountain, Kris takes out the jar and opens the jar. The soul comes out and does its thing. Susie stands there shocked. Once they’re in the lightworld, everything happens normal. Berdly and Noelle leaves thinking it’s all a dream. Susie after they leave looks bewildered at Kris then shakes them : “What the hell was that all about????” You can finally control Kris here and pick between : Tell her what happened and What are you talking about? Telling her what happened : Susie becomes even more confused and Kris (out of your control) says that they’ll elaborate at some point and the conversation ends there. “What are you talking about?” : Susie flips out even more and shakes Kris angrily. Kris doesn’t say anything (this is your doing) and Susie just says : “Whatever…” and leaves without Kris. Susie will still have the sleepover but will be weird around Kris (depending on what which option you choose). Everything will end the same but Kris puts you in the cage and not between the couch. You’ll sit there not being able to see what happened to Susie and Kris. You’ll hear what happened though, you just can’t see it. Then the chapter ends! …Btw you don’t fight spamton in this route, Kris just doesn’t fight spamton.
- (I would’ve made the route work a little different if I worked on it NOW but hey…you get the idea I hope.)
- This au was meant to basically Kris giving the player the middle finger
DELTARUNE BUT IT’S SUMMER NOW I GUESS
- Another old idea I had. It’s normal just deltarune but it takes place during summer school. (Or just the summer I didn’t put too much thought into it. I just wanted to see Kris and Susie have fun in the sun together tbh) It all started because I wanted to make a Phineas and Ferb reference—
TIMESKIP AU
- What kind of au hoarder would I be if I didn’t make a “They’re adults now” au? It mostly focuses in Kris, Susie, and Noelle (Berdly’s there too but I mean…he’s just there. Not too important). The darkners don’t really age in my timeskip au because I just…think they wouldn’t really age like lightners would? Since they’re objects? I feel like they would still look the same but like…with eyebags or dirt/dust on them or something. (Didn’t think about it too much,,)
- They’re all around 20 something? 25??
- There’s art of this too but again…too old and grody for me to show. Pretty sure I posted timeskip suselle stuff on here once but you’ll have to find it yourself I’m not linking it. It’s still a little embarrassing,,,
- I think I may redesign them in the future since they look too “self indulgent” and not how I would actually imagine them in their 20s.
- It’s basically The “Everyone gets facial hair now” au honestly LMAO
SPECIES SWAP
- Another obvious thing for an au hoarder to have— Basically, Kris is a reptile, Susie is a goat, and Ralsei is a human! (There’s also Noelle, who’s a bird, and Berdly, who’s a reindeer…but. I’ll probably not do that or at least it wouldn’t be “canon” to the au.)
- In this au, Susie is a darkner and Ralsei is a lightner (along with Kris.) And this is kind of a role swap as well (kinda?). Ralsei would be the one the player controls. Kris isn’t controlled by their soul and has their regular personality. Susie and Lancer were already established to be buddies before Kris and Ralsei arrived in the dark world. Though in this au, Susie’s personality would be a little goofier to match with Lancer’s. She’s still mean though but chapter 2 mean and not really chapter 1 mean. Ralsei would talk but we wouldn’t be able to hear him (like with human Kris.) He does talk way more than human Kris though. Kris doesn’t talk at all unless necessary or for a funny/dumb quip. For their dark world versions um tbh? I can’t really choose on whether Ralsei should have a sword (like human Kris) or magic (like goat Ralsei). I guess the sword would make more sense but goat Susie would feel a little empty if she isn’t swinging her big ol’ axe around. Again…didn’t think about it too much. OH YEAH AND darkner goat Susie is a prince like goat Ralsei is. (Not princess though because Susie still has her butch lesbian swag in this au)
- Uhhh I do have concept art but it’s not much…I hope to actually sketch out the concepts at some point because darkner goat Susie sounds so much fun to work on!! I have clear ideas of everyone’s designs in my head, just didn’t put it “paper” yet.
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So uh…YUP! Think that’s all! If anyone’s interested on hearing about or seeing a specific au, I’ll try my best to elaborate on it more or quicking sketch out something)
(I’m asking you to send me asks about them if you’re curious)
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drowninnoodles · 1 year
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I'm curious, what's your opinion on Chara, and has it changed since you first got into Undertale? I know a lot of people have varying views on them, as well as lots who started off thinking they were evil and then changed their mind or vice versa. I personally see them as a troubled kid who had good intentions, and their purpose in the no-mercy route is to hold the player accountable for their actions.
What do you think? I like to hear other peoples views and theories on the same character, it's really interesting how many interpretations there can be of one person. Also sorry if you've spoken about this before or anything.
- magpie :)
Okay so after watching Undertale for the first time (I wasn't playing games at the time) I thought it was just a typical evil character with no story, just someone had to be the evil character in the game.
uh. And yes, I changed my thinking. I just think now that they're definitely a troubled kid, that's clear. But I still don't consider them completely innocent. There are a few moments in the game that suggest the Chara weren't the nicest person, Asriel himself says so. Even if they got along well, I still imagine Chara manipulated Asriel at times.
I picture it like Kris and Noelle's relationship. The two are good friends, but on Snowgrave, Kris (controlled by the Player) manipulates Noelle
Char and Asriel's relationship seems to be similar, except that Chara was not controlled by anyone.
Although, on the other hand, what if there was another player before us who was playing using Chara...?
Like Chara laughing when Asgore got sick. Though I personally see it as coping with pain because other characters laughed when they were in pain too. However, it is worrying that Chara laughs at the pain. How often have they suffered before...?
I understand why people think they're evil. No-mercy route portrays them as such, although I believe it was the player's influence and the player's determination to do evil that made the Chara the same.
As for the interesting things in my opinion, it's interesting that they see themselves as a demon and a servant of the Devil (Gaster?). Maybe they knew each other when they were alive? I hope so because it would make sense to me. Still, I don't know what to make of demonic connections, but it could be interesting in the future. I like to think that initially Toby wanted Frisk and Chara to look alike because they would represent each person's light and dark side.
Personally, I think that the gaps in their history will be filled and developed in Deltarune.
I hope they're chilling with Uncle Gaster in the void right now
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bregee13 · 2 years
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The 5 Hour Spamton Playlist
It's been many months, and it's finally complete enough to share (though I might add more later). And yup, you read that right, it's just over 5 hours long.
I even decided to order it for some reason. So if you're able to listen to the whole thing in order, that's appreciated! Though it's not required of course.
But either way, I hope this playlist drives you up the wall as much as it did to me.
Anyway I'm gonna put a bunch of commentary under the read more. (This thing has been sitting around in my library for almost a year, since a week or two after the chapter 2 release!!!, I have every right to be annoying about it)
(I was originally going to comment on every other thing on the playlist, but then I got overwhelmed lol. Still keeping some of what I wrote. Might elaborate more on some things later idk. )
(Hope y'all like it!)
I tried to keep the Spamton songs in the same order as the soundtrack. In fact, the whole playlist is roughly organized based on those songs! I guess you could say each section has its own themes.
Imagine. You start the playlist eager to hear what bs was added to it. You listen to HEY EVERY !, and then it ends. Everything's quiet. And then "BWAH BWAH WHAT'S NEW PUSSYCAT-"
I've seen people add Mamma Mia and Dancing Queen to Spamton playlists, which is neat, but ngl Ring Ring and I'm a Marionette fit way better. And they're both really good.
I like to think I Get Around and Outside represent the very beginning of the bigshot era
But Telephone by Red Vox feels like it'd be from a lot later than that. Like someone looking back at the past with regret. And seeing a loss of independence and control.
Y'know, with the perspective constantly changing between different points in Spamtons story, it sorta reminds me of Death of a Salesman. Except not as good.
Anyway Spamton brings us back to the present. Even if it's just for a moment.
GAS GAS GAS I'M GONNA STEP ON THE GAS (surprised how few playlists used these tbh)
Ok ok I know Business Man has nothing to do with Spamton aside from the title, but it's goofy and gives levels of suspicion that felt relevant >:)
I Really, Really, Really Like This Image comes off as a convo between Spamton and Gaster for some reason, and I really really really like that image in my head. Also Jevil is there at the end (ps the image is an image of an egg 😊)
I'm not sure if I can properly explain It's Still Rock and Roll To Me. Pre-bigshot era? Early bigshot era? Idk. It just feels like Spamton to me. Actually Billy Joel music in general seems to fit imo. Can't explain why. Just does.
Haha All Star hehehe!!! Oh DAng it's a cool place and they say it gets colder??? Snowgrave reference??????
I hope when you hear Doin it Right, you know what I WANTED to put there...
At first Baby Hotline felt like me inserting it for the heck of it, but the more I listen to it in the context of Spamton, it fits more. Being put on hold (literally as well as metaphorically), the implications of suicide/suicidal thoughts. There's also kind of an implication of someone rooting for Spamton to improve. (Which would probably be the player, but who knows)
Ngl Promised You A Miracle is a song I stole from my Mirror Man playlist. And it's not the only one. They both share themes of religion/heaven, changing your appearance to be perfect, becoming god/superior to others, and being seen and respected.
Easy Money is a late addition. I couldn't not add it. It's good.
NOW'S YOUR CHANCE TO BE A
Temporary Secretary
(But seriously, can we agree that Temporary Secretary is definitely a Spamton song? It feels scummy, unsafe, DESPERATE, and dare I say unhinged. )
Cars by Gary Numan. That's all I have to say. It's cars. Spam man likes cars!
When adding Hanging On The Telephone, I had to choose between the Blondie version and the one by The Nerves. I chose the Blondie version. It was gayer.
OuiOui's First Crime was added because Peepy's Theme didn't fully capture how much people wanna baby this middle aged puppet. Also It's OuiOuis First Crime specifically to still show that as much as people love this guy, he isn't as innocent/nice as we sometimes want to make him out to be. He's scamming and killing people! Good for him!!!
Don't You Want Me is another song stolen from the Mirror Man playlist. I like to think in perspective of Spamton, this song has multiple layers. It's about Spamton actually being seen as someone important for once, him asking for reassurance that people want him, and threatening them if they don't. It's about Spamton getting more successful because of Gaster/Mike and wanting independence from them, causing his downfall. It's about teaming up with Kris to become BIG at the expense of Kris and potentially everyone in cybercity. It's about Spamton wanting the player to like and pity him. There's probably more connections that could be made than that even!
I'm too overwhelmed to comment too much more atm, but please know that at a certain point of making this and listening to it over and over trying get the order right, I momentarily mentally turned into Chris McLean from Total Drama. I will not elaborate lmao
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inquireanerdyberd · 2 years
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Headcanon: Berdly could pair well with any of the other main 4 characters. Coming to respect Kris at the end of their adventures. Falling for Susie and her starting to enjoy having him around. Ralsei could be very patience and sweet despite how Berdly acts. And if he and Noelle were more than friends, they got along really well and are pretty similar.
Leave a headcanon!
((So I agree Berdly has compatibility with the rest of the Fun Gang, but not really in a romantic sense.
He already seems to hold a bit of respect for Kris, thinking of them like a rival and getting together to play games with them. I’m still not entirely certain what to think of their history since we don’t have enough information outside of Berdly mocking them, playing games with them, and seems to have a particular need for their validation. I do kinda ship Krerdly, but I think there’s actually a good argument for aromantic Berdly that I’ll get into in a bit.
Berdly and Susie… I have so many thoughts about them. In relation to this ask, I gotta say, I don’t think Berdly’s crush on Susie is actually substantial. Realistically, we’re not getting a love triangle, and it’s very clear Noelle and Susie are getting together. Once Berdly recognizes she isn’t into him and Noelle is interested in her, he’s more than likely going to drop everything and become the best worst wingman. He said it himself that Noelle is his friend and he needs to support her.
To sum up my thoughts on Berdly’s ‘crush,’ here’s this meme.
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For their friendship dynamic, I can totally see them becoming gaming rivals. Berdly’s love language seems to be getting together with friends and playing multiplayer games, so I can imagine Susie being added to that list. I can also see them calling each other names like before, but more teasingly instead of maliciously. They both have a history of mistreatment by their peers (and possibly their parents,) so they‘d be able to connect on that front and prolly start standing up for each other if harassed. Both are fearless and loyal to those they care about. One is just more physically aggressive while the other is verbally aggressive.
Ralsei is an interesting case. He seems open and friendly to absolutely everyone, but he appears to be more confused about Berdly’s existence than anything else. In the unused text strings during the boat ride, if you pick ‘thinking about Berdly,’ Ralsei awkwardly comments how the boat is bird-shaped and asks ‘what part of him are you thinking about?’ He doesn’t have any commentary about him as a person or his abilities in the Dark World. However, he mentions Noelle seems sweet and comments how she specializes in ice magic.
Now, that’s not to say I think Ralsei outright hates Berdly. He’s certainly weird and off-putting at first, but once he sees what Berdly does after the Queen fight, I believe Ralsei would start to see his better qualities. He goes through great lengths to aid his friends (gathering up all of the chapter 2 recruits in a severely weakened state,) even risking his life (Snowgrave, neutral route.) As I mentioned before, Berdly is loyal to a fault and he’s a very genuine person. I can see Ralsei warming up to him eventually. I’ve seen this as a romantic pairing, and though I think it can be cute, I personally don’t ship it.
Noelle is straight up a lesbian, and if she isn’t, she’s very much not interested in Berdly in that way, so there’s little to no chance for them becoming partners. Them as friends, however? They are fucking besties and you can’t convince me otherwise. She was his first and only friend for so long (again, not entirely certain what to think of his history with Kris,) they’re practically siblings at this point. Berdly went as far as to pretend to be romantically interested in her because he thought she was into him just so they can stay close. I’ve talked to my boyfriend about this, and he said ‘There‘s no way he wouldn’t develop genuine feelings during that time.’ Thinking about it, he’s right. That’s why I think there’s a good argument for aromantic Berdly.
I saw Jaiden Animation’s video about her experiences as an aroace person. When talking about being aromantic, she brings up a scenario that’s pretty much beat for beat the exact thing Berdly did with Noelle: pretend to reciprocate romantic feelings out of fear rejection will drift them apart. Of course, Berdly didn’t know Noelle really did just want to be friends and nothing more, but the focus was the mindset he displayed. After seeing that kinda scenario play out in the perspective of an aromantic person, I can definitely see Berdly as aromantic, despite what surface-level text may imply.
Sorry this got so long, but GOD, I LOVE thinking about Berdly’s possible future dynamics with the Fun Gang. Let this kid have more friends! He needs a proper support system beyond Noelle!))
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DR:VC - First Ending Concept (+ Announcement)
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Vessel and The Demon/Vermillion Kris sprites by me. Everything else was assembled using assets by Toby Fox, provided by Spriters Resource.
This is the first concept for the ending of Deltarune: Vermillion Crystals, which I call Destiny's End. The premise is that, after obtaining the Pure Crystal from Seam and using it to make the Twisted Sword, Kris finally discards the Player and goes off to begin the Roaring, corrupted by the sword's power. At some point, Gaster provided the Player with their vessel, resulting in chasing Kris through the Cliffs, ending up at the Castle Town's fountain, further behind the castle. Due to the importance of the Twisted Sword, Chapter 2 would take place during an Aborted Snowgrave Route. This would result in the rest of the Cyber World being cold. This wouldn't change too much narratively, maybe just make the rest of the events go a bit faster because Queen is silently freaking out but trying to meme it along, but it opened up the idea of remixes of Pandora Palace and Attack of the Killer Queen.
And now onto the main point of why I'm sharing all of this in the first place! Due to reconsidering theories and such, this ending will be scrapped. Will I still make the song? Most likely, later down the line. I have a lot of fun ideas for a Kris-centric God of Hyperdeath-esque boss theme. But the idea will no longer be canon to Vermillion Crystals. I will be waiting to see how the game progresses before making any more ending concepts. I'll likely have a rough idea (with accompanying concept art/mockups, like with Destiny's End) by the end of Chapter 5, and how the actual game ends will determine if I flesh it out more or come up with something new. Kris's design will remain intact, despite their horned Dark World form being based off of their Demon form. I will try to fit in the Demon design in some way in the future.
Other than that, I will be reconsidering the actual structure of the story and how it's presented. My initial idea was to simply rewrite the original scenes of the characters being affected, with new flairs to represent their new circumstances, in the form of a write-up.
However, I now feel more inclined to go above and beyond, mainly brought on by the idea of elaborating on the parts of Chapter 2 between Spamton interactions (like the Cyber World being cold). But I feel like I can do better. An idea I have is swapping the Crystal Holders with the main chapter bosses, in a way where they took over and cast the original bosses to the side. I could re-integrate the Aborted Snowgrave idea with the idea of Spamton bringing in so many viruses by accident that he has to set up a literal firewall, which gets negated by the large amount of ice Noelle brings. This expansion of ideas would mean there would be more of the AU to make, which may actually be easier as a sprite comic! This would also mean new tracks, and vastly different and new versions of already existing tracks! This may also require a tad bit of redesigning, but that's not extremely likely.
In fact, screw it, this will be the new course of the AU! I'm really excited to continue this journey with you all.
And as always, Welcome to the SOUL Intersection.
Also take this Queen textbox I made in the textbox generator when I first thought of the Cyber City Being Cold idea.
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Hot take that I just know is going to get people worked up but incredibly frustrating how Spamton essentially functions the same way as Chara does and is both far worse and arguably even less sympathetic than them yet people woobify him to a ridiculous extent while Chara is treated like they’re an irredeemable monster. At least with Chara, they only tried to get Asriel to kill humans so they could get the SOULs needed to break the barrier, the extent to which they actually partake in the Genocide route is up for debate, and the player is the one who taught them that killing was the right thing to do; Spamton is perfectly content with the death of countless innocents to the point of outright refuses to sell you the weapon needed to access the Snowgrave attack if you don’t fulfill the required kill quota for it and exploits minors to make them do his dirty work for him for no other reason than his own self-benefit regardless of the route you take, not to mention how he literally sold a torture device to two children with no hesitation. Either hold the grown adult accountable for his actions to the same extent you do the literal child or give the literal child the same leniency you give the grown adult.
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I don’t see very many Chara loving the stabby run blogs these days. It’s fun to see the different takes on the character either way.
Depending on who “we” includes, (“are *we* connected?”) it might bs (Gaster???) behind the bad run while Spamton just counts. Similar to Chara, though Chara arguably had a *small* amount of control over Frisk (not total control- Frisk/you are still the ones swinging the stick around 99.9999% of the time. I think Flowey, one swing at Sans, and Asgore are the only times that don’t require player input?)
My general thought is, if Chara is being blamed for the no mercy run, she should get credit for the pacifist run, too. Frisk and Chara were partners, after all.
Sliiightly related to paragraph 2. I don’t generally like the player theory. Feels kinda stupid to me, tbh. But it’s probably canon, which, if that’s the case, brings Frisk into question.
Like… imagine being an 8 y/o and having your body hijacked by something you can’t see or hear.
It’s possible Chara is part of “we”. I hope we get solid confirmation on who “we” consists of.
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transsweet · 2 years
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snowgrave talk under cut //
sometimes i really do think about what scc are doing during snowgrave. by the looks of the boxes being abandoned it's obvious they knew what was going on and booked it, but seeing as k_k still had stock in their box means they didn't think about anything but running in that moment. there's a post that used to be up about sweet feeling intense survivors guilt after realizing what was going on since they were the one to let kris and the fun gang go and give them all their trust and i haven't stopped thinking about it since it got posted in like. october. the door to the cyber fields doesn't work when you get to queens mansion so i'm just wondering how they responded in their shop. if we went would it be empty like shops in undertale? would they have gone to hide? many thoughts many things to think about
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the-white-soul · 2 months
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*Now that they're alone, Flowey looks up at Kara and begins to talk slowly with a blank expression.*
Flowey: Clover said some things that made me think. In all the routes there's not one where I can be happy. And despite how many people like to hang around me now, it's all for entertainment. And you... You've wanted to kill me for awhile. You're still just waiting around for a reason to, aren't you?
Even me and Chara. It wasn't a perfect friendship as I always thought. Humans and monsters can't be friends. Haha.... Not that I'm a monster either. So, be honest.
*A vine creeps up on Noelle on the side of the mountain unseen to Kara. What happens next depends entirely on your answer.*
You're my friend, right Kara?
Yes ♡ No
(Kara) "Listen to me, *Grabs Flowey by the stem.* you are the greatest friend I've ever had. I can see you are planning on something, and that's why I love you. You are so much better than Asriel. The only reason I became a good person was because of you. You wonder why Arak is so f**king demented, it's because they didn't have you. I was planning on only killing you because, I didn't know you. You are the good in the by far worst environment. You actually became a good monster. At first I didn't believe it. I thought it was just another trick and any second you would turn on me like you did with the other kids. The fact you haven't killed me but killed Chara tells me you also love me. You are so much like me, both redeemed from the absolute worst things anyone could do. The fact I have enough trust in you not to look around and see what's going on says it all. *Puts there hand off of Flowey* now let's go back to Noelle."
What happens next starts at the beginning of there conversation so they both happen simultaneously.
(Noelle) "I can sense something near my back."
(Layer) "Oh my god, Flowey's trying to attack you."
(Noelle) "Oh yeah, probably some type of prank the two are doing. Why should I acknolage this."
(Layer) "You really trust Kara like that huh, I just want to know the imprints on your finger from a ring, you've tried to use snowgrave right?"
(Noelle) "No I've been just using a fear tatic. It's it's, Layer please help."
Layer now knows, they are stuck in telling to Kara Noelle's not fit for battle maybe causing us to loose an important war, or not care at all. They think and think for a while and when Kara and Flowey are finnished talking...
(Kara) "Oh it's Layer nice to see you buddy. What's wrong you look conflicted?"
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i. may or may not have made a Dsaf oc/self insert type thing (it's both because, appearance and partially personality wise, xe's based off of me irl. but backstory stuff is pretty different).
named the little guy Morgan Bane. he's sort of the "Jack of All Trades" in Dsaf 3. he's kinda one of the only main workers in Jack's restaurant.
time for some background on this lil guy:
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they're genderqueer. and just queer in general.
they've got that LGBTQ+ Christian Religious Trauma™
Autistic and an Utter Anxious Wreck <3
associated with the color blue.
left home after college and went to go stay with a friend for a bit.
got a job at Jack's restaurant because Why Not, and also because she was also considering doing something similar later in her life and wanted to get some first hand experience with how these places work.
xe views Jack as a mentor of sorts. which uh. Makes A Certain Version Of The Legacy/Evil Route For This Guy Particularly Fucked Up!
please ask me about the Morgan and Dave (Pre-Henry Trauma) parallels i could go on for hours please-
during the Legacy Route, Morgan will accidentally walk in on Jack and Dave about to murder the baby, but will stand in shock and horror, trying to stammer out a question to Jack "B-Boss, I- What in God's name are you-?!"
there's two versions of Morgan during the Legacy Route (well...technically four if you count the routes where he'd get framed, but we won't count those for this-): one where Jack and Dave choose not to get Morgan involved, and simply threaten him into silence (which works), or uh...well, Anyone Heard Of The Snowgrave Route From Deltarune Chapter 2-?
so here's how it works, right? Good/Neutral Routes = Morgan is generally friendly towards Jack, and is actually quite eager to talk with him! Legacy Route (Normal) = Morgan is scared of Jack and will actively avoid him, and will fidget nervously whenever the two do interact. at the end, after Phone Guy gets done with his lecture, Morgan will give a much shorter one: "I...don't really know what there is to say. Y'know, I'm not one to say this lightly, but I believe that you deserve to hear this: Don't keep the Devil waiting, sir." Legacy Route (Snowgrave Edition) = same as Normal Legacy Route, except Somehow Worse, and gets dragged into Even More Shit. this poor boy. he needs a hug. and a fucking break.
Morgan is just sending. so many distress signals to Harry. So Many. help it.
also, i thought it would be interesting if Morgan had a QnA thing like the Phone Guy does in the game. have some differences in dialogue between Good/Neutral Route answers and Legacy (Snowgrave) answers for a few questions:
"Tell me about your family."
Good/Neutral: "Oh, well...my family are rather loving people, don't get me wrong; they said they only ever wanted the best for me, sir. They just weren't quite...accepting, you see. We had some disagreements, you could say. I love them all dearly, it's just...they don't love me for who I am, you know? They don't hate me; God no. They're just...rather set in their ways and faith, just as I am in mine.
It's...complicated, shall we say. We haven't talked much since I left for college...."
Legacy (Snowgrave): "Oh, well...our relationship isn't perfect, sir. Not by a long shot...b-but we still keep in touch rather often, I-I assure you! I can promise you that I've certainly been keeping in touch with them regularly for the past three years!
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Why are you staring at me like that? I'm not lying! I-I do!"
"Who's this "friend" you keep talking about?"
Good/Neutral: "Oh, they're the sweetest! We've known each other for years, ever since we were little. They actually gave me a place to stay while I got my life somewhat in order. I'll be forever grateful for it.
I...don't know what I'd do without them, sir..."
Legacy (Snowgrave): "Oh...the friend I keep talking about? Well...we talk often, I lived with them for a while during college, and I feel like I could tell them anything."
(I see. And what would their name happen to be, Morgan?)
"....W-With all due respect, sir, I don't feel comfortable telling you that.
I-I'm not risking.....Of all the people in my life, I can't lose them. Please, I can't..."
"What do you know about Henry, Employee?" (note: in the Legacy Route, this question would be purple and would have a smiley face at the end)
Good/Neutral: "...Henry? as in Henry Miller? Well...I'll admit I don't know much. I know he was the co-owner of Fredbear's Family Diner, he was a doctor of sorts (apparently), and that he went missing in 1983.
...I'll be honest with you, sir. I might not've been alive when he was, but all the photos I've seen...he's got bad vibes. I don't know what it is, maybe the smile...? Just...ugh, he gives me the heebie jeebies and he's not even alive anymore...."
Legacy (Snowgrave): "W-Why did you ask it like that, sir? And...why're you looking at me like that..?
U-Um, well, I-I know he co-owned this place called Fredbear's Family Diner and that he went missing in the early 80's...but that's about it...
...W-Why did you need to know? Why are you still looking at me like that, sir?!"
"Do you have any hopes and dreams?"
Good/Neutral: "Well, y'know how this place is? And Chuck E. Cheese? I was thinkin'...maybe I could open my own place like this someday. Y'know, not a Freddy's or Chuck E's, but...my own little place! You think I could do it?
(...Yeah, you seem like you'd do great, Morgan.)
Really?! I- Thank you, sir!"
Legacy (Snowgrave): "...Well...I hope to get a better job someday. Maybe get married to someone.
.....Why do you ask sir?
...Sir? Jesus, you really like staring at me like that..."
"What do you think of me and your job here?" (note: same as the Henry question during the Legacy Route)
Good/Neutral: "Oh, well...you're certainly blunt, sir. B-But I don't mean that as a bad thing at all! You're a great boss! And this job, while it's certainly...chaotic at times, it's still one of the greatest I've had!"
(...Really? Wow...I feel kinda bad for you, Employee.)
N-no, I'm being serious! I like making people happy, and what better job for that than this one?
...Sure, this place hasn't had...the best track record of making people happy, but I hope to change that!"
Legacy (Snowgrave): "...Well, that depends. Do you want the truth, or do want to hear what you want to hear?"
(The Truth, Morgan.)
"....Sir, I have blood on my hands that can never be washed off. I feel too scared to fall asleep, afraid that I'll see that poor baby's face when I close my eyes.
...I'm also scared that either see you or Dave one standing over me, ready to..."silence" me...but that's neither here nor there...
...But I also know that I'm in too deep to back out now.
...So what real choice do I have, sir?"
2. (Well, that also depends...how much do you value your life, Morgan? :))
"...Well, in that case:
This is one of the greatest jobs I've ever had! Love you and my coworkers! Yep! Definitely don't live in terror every waking (and sleeping) moment, sir! Nope! Not at all! Heh heh..."
(Morgan nervously fidgets with her cross necklace, nervously looking behind you towards the door of The Office.
It seems like they're ready to make a break for it at a moment's notice. He tries to smile wide, but it doesn't reach his eyes.)
anyway, please send some asks about Morgan i'd love to talk about my lil dude here!! :D
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