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#I'm not a big shipper myself but these two? extremely cute couple
some-pers0n · 7 months
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for t2f ask game
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17 - Unpopular opinion?
Uhhhh I've got a couple. One is that I think Heavy/Medic is extremely one-sided in the fandom. Half the time it's literally just "Medic x some other guy who's big". The fandom boils Heavy's character down to just simply Big Guy who is the straightman to Medic's silly whimsicalness or a guy for him to rail. Heavy in general is not really seen as a character and more of just kind of The Mascot Guy. I get he's not terribly interesting, especially when compared to the other sillier characters, but it's something entirely different to just make him a nothing character. Not just that but also like. the angst. His backstory. His father potentially dying in the gulag. Living in a cabin for most of his life. Having to fend against the KGB for his family. Do you see what I mean. Also he's still pretty silly. Man fist-fights 20 foot tall bears on the regular and has separate beds for his guns. Make him a lil' silly guy too, you cowards.
20 - Favourite Fanfic?
auAUUUUghhhHHhHh,,, that's such a good question. Despite writing like. fucking 120k+ words for this fandom, I've barely read any fanfic. I don't really like reading fics for fandoms I'm in, mostly because it feels like it fucks up my interpretation of the characters and has me second guessing myself a lot, which distracts me from just enjoying the fic. But! I do have two recommendations off the top of my head.
Sleeping Dogs by fizzyspine. I have a bias to this one as it was the first TF2 fanfic I've read (and also what dragged me down the hellhole that is being a Engie/Medic shipper)(the fic isn't even about Engie/Medic it's just a minor ship playing in the background to the Dad Spy stuff). Really cute and I like it a lot.
Mortality Machines by dinoburger. I am just. diseased over their writing. I think the Classic Team is really interesting and compelling and I really love their interpretation of them. Fred and Virgil the sillies.
The "Heavy-Medic Duo" by bleachandablowtorch. Not really a fic so much as a 13k essay about all of the stuff about Heavy/Medic. I think it's fascinating and just really cool, not gonna lie.
Fable's End by someonehasto. WHOOO YIPPEEE DEMOMAN CENTRIC FIC!! Really pretty writing style. Hurt me deeply.
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I see a lot of antis trying to prove that Loki and Sylvie are the same person to prove to us Sylki shippers that shipping Lovie is morally wrong ;
like, they use excerpts from the series where it is clearly mentioned that they are variants of each other to say "look they are therefore the same person their couple is problematic"
for example they post quotes from the series like "this is US as an alligator" "i think WE are stronger than we realize", or the moment when we see that Sylvie's name is Laufeydottir and add things like "do you see? ??? they are the same person!"
or they say things like "Tom and Sophia talk a lot about their characters being the same person and yet the shippers keep ignoring that..." "they try to make their ship less weird i guess"
And I feel like they think we' re trying to forget that Loki and Sylvie are variants of each other, ship them DESPITE that fact, put that part aside of their couple to be able to love them with a clear conscience.
when in fact, I don't know if it's the case for everyone but... we know that they are variants of each other ? we're not trying to forget that at all ? most shippers don't like Loki and Sylvie DESPITE THE FACT that they're both Lokis, but BECAUSE they're both Lokis. I mean, we love their dynamics, their chemistry, their interactions etc... but the fact that they are variants of each other is very much part of why we love them.
for nothing in the world do I want to learn in the future that in fact, Sylvie is not a Loki. I would be extremely disappointed if that were the case. If season 2 told us that Loki and Sylvie aren't variants of each other... i will be really sad i think.
the fact that they share the same identity, the same role in the universe, is a huge part of what makes their relationship interesting. this is what makes them unique, chaotic, fascinating.
(you see, I'm not a big fan of romance. or rather, I really like it, but I have a hard time finding good and interesting romances. the m/f romances I love can be counted on the fingers of one hand, and I'm tired of romance being everywhere. forced, useless, basic, excessive romance. I wish there were a lot more non-romance movies and books. and, this is just my personal opinion, but I find that romances in the MCU are not particularly interesting. I mean, the couples are cute but mostly it's not very in-depth or interesting. but Loki and Sylvie... it's something else! their relationship is special, unique, of a new kind, interesting! and this, precisely because they are variants of each other. if they weren't variants of each other, their relationship would obviously have been funny, beautiful, adorable. however, it would have been much less complex and meaningful. many things would have been lost, such as the self-love side, the subject of identity, the psychological and philosophical aspect that this brings, this notion of forbidden, strange and taboo love, and so on. for me the fact that they are variants of each other is very important and makes their relationship wonderful. that's even why I, the big tired of romances, started to adore them and to invest myself so much in this ship (it's the first time that it happens to me). I would have found them very cute if they were two totally different people, and I would have shipped them, and I would have really liked them anyway, but that's because they are variants of each other, a concept that I find so interesting and original, that I am so attached to them. and I think it's the same for a lot of shippers. without this aspect, their relationship would have been much more classic and they would not have really differentiated themselves much from other romances)
the only thing we Lovie Shippers are trying to say is that there is nothing wrong with the fact that Loki and Sylvie are both Lokis. die mad about it. I'm not one of those people who think that no ship is problematic, and that you can do whatever you want in fiction. there are problematic (canon or not) ships (pedophiles, abusive, etc...). there are problematic books and movies and no, "it's fiction" doesn't excuse everything. die mad about it too.
however, Loki and Sylvie are not among those problematic things. they are not related. their relationship is not abusive or toxic, quite the contrary, and the series does not romanticize abuse and toxic relationships. and the fact that they're the same person isn't a problem because 1) it's not likely to happen in real life. you can't fuck a variant of yourself (some would say that's a real shame), 2) they are variants of each other but don't share anything at the DNA and genetic level, 3) their personality and background and history and powers and even appearance are totally different.
in summary...their relationship has nothing problematic and is just original. you can not ship Lovie but stop using the problematic word wrongly. I think that ships and fiction can be problematic, but I find that fandoms tend to use this word for no good reason and wrongly just to stop people from shipping what they want. I mean, a love story can be problematic if for example I don't know, it tells the abusive relationship between a sixty-year-old father and his 12-year-old daughter by romanticizing the pedophile, incestuous and abusive side. not if it tells the chaotic story of two bisexual variants of each other who hold hands every 30 seconds and kissed once. (By the way i need to see another kiss 😭 BUT NOT A GOODBYE KISS)
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yeah
we know that they are variants of each other. we love them for that. we love that their love can destroy reality, create Nexus events, even where it's impossible, that they can both practice the same magic.
and we love them for that.
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Fellas is it gay to disobey a direct order in order to save your commander from a mistake you started 🤔
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I agree with you 100 percent that they've ALWAYS been close, maybe the closest (aside from Vmin) but his attention during 2016 (from what I've heard ) was dispersed between JM and TH, as they have so many "evidence" for them during that time. But then again, what is the credibility of said evidence. What I'm confused about is in 2015 where you had JK kind of open up more to JM, show him more affection and pay extra attention to him, those moments where he stared at him and then turned away (+)
(+) turned away when he got caught looking (gayo track ). Which lets me know that whatever other shippers hold as true contradicts what he had with JM. Like why would you turn away when he catches you looking if you had nothing to hide. Happened a couple of times. But then in 2016, it wasn’t until Wings era his attention completely was directed to JM. So, what happened in late 2015 to Fire era? Sorry if I’m not making any sense. Or, maybe it’s just hard to see everything in one place, because
(+) turned away when he got caught looking (gayo track ). Which lets me know that whatever other shippers hold as true contradicts what he had with JM. Like why would you turn away when he catches you looking if you had nothing to hide. Happened a couple of times. But then in 2016, it wasn’t until Wings era his attention completely was directed to JM. So, what happened in late 2015 to Fire era? Sorry if I’m not making any sense. Or, maybe it’s just hard to see everything in one place, because
in one place, because connecting the dots are kind of hard. We can’t get every single detail right. And compilations of videos don’t show everything without looking at every day and their consistency. So, yeah. I’m rambling. lol. sorry. If you can get the gist of what I’m saying, that’d be great. :) Thank You
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The tension was quite there during 2014 and early 2015. There were time when JK would kind of touch JM’s hands and caress it and then realize what he was doing and then let go and lower his head. He kind of limited himself a LOT when it came to JM. But they weren’t their stuck to the hip selves until Wings era. Which makes me wonder what happened during that time. Why the steady decline during Fire era when he started to show more attention to JM in 2015 and craves his attention after JM pulled
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Hey, guys! I combined your asks because my thoughts on them are pretty similar. You have pretty much the same outlook which I find interesting. I want to talk more about that but this will be my last answer today (it’s 2am here and I have to get up at 7). I’m also on mobile so that’s torture (can someone please fix this goddam app). Onto it:
What exactly happened with KM in 2015/2016 will forever be a mystery. There will never be “connecting the dots” or having the full picture, as I believe we miss valuable pieces of information (as it’s right, we’re just fans). Did JM ignore JK? Did JK chase after him? Did they simply grow first in different directions to only come out the same way in Wings era? Was it gradual or was it on and off? Did they engage in sexual activities in that time? What is the place of t/k in all of this?
So many questions that we must accept we will never get the answers to.
I can’t and won’t get into full analyses of 2015-2016 as that would be a 20k ask BUT I will say this: when I state I’ve thought over every scenario in the book about that time, I trully really mean it. I’ve thought about t/k being together and then KM, about both Tae and JM having feelings for JK at the same time, about him having feelings for them at the same time, about all of them engaging in some sexual activities together, about Kook being with both of them separately at the same time, about Tae having had feelings for JM or for JK while KM had feelings for eachother….. Honestly, I’m not kidding, I thought about it all. I tried to put myself into the shoes of a t/k shipper, a v/min one.. I gave all possibilities some consideration.
In the end, no matter what “evidence” t/k shippers pull out of that time, and by evidence really we mean moments, I always get to the conclusion that no, t/k was most probably not involved at that time at all. Not bc it’s impossible,no, but because this scenario (Jk going from Tae to JM) is not consistent with Jks character or the fact that v/min was still going strong in Wings era and although t/k didn’t have many moments there seemed to be no hostility. How could that be true if there was any love triangle? As professional as they can be, it still would be extremely hard. Something doesn’t fit so I ruled that possibility out because of that.
Part of it why I did ruled it out is exactly what both of you mention - there was a development with KM in 2015, clear as day evolution. There was also hesitation on Jungkook’s part which he showed with no-one else other than Jimin. Call it gay panic if you wish but he really only behaved like that with him. He acted like a scared teenager with an impossible crush, which is exactly what he was.
About 2016 and that push and pull, I think they crossed a line then. I don’t know which one - did one of them confess, did they make out, did they try to be together, did they have sex- really I don’t know what but SOMETHING happened and I mean something between THEM not v/min/kook. I think they took a bold step forward and then either one of them got scared and backed out or something else happened and kept them in a grey zone but to me they didn’t seem settled down then. They had the chemistry *hello Own it and Coming to age* but they didn’t have the commitment yet, I think.
Uncertainty is what I feel could have been a problem back then. What is happening?What should I do? Can we do this? Should we do this? What are we? Are we on the same page? What about our careers, Bangtan? These are the questions I imagine they had to answer and they’re pretty big ones especially considering how young they were. These answers don’t come all at once immediately. They take time and often they take mistakes. So that type of a situation - one step forward, two step back and then reversed makes a lot of sense.
Simultaneously, this could have brought them to seek advice and help from the outside, particularly from their closest hyungs (for example Jin for JM but Suga as well) and their best friend(s), which for both of them was probably Tae. Could it have been that JK turned to his friend in that time? Absolutely, though I don’t want to explain away nice t/k moments with “JK needed support”. T/k were and are cute and close and no-one should have a problem with it. But I don’t think thsy had a romantic involvement then.
In the end after a ‘hot summer’ somehow KM managed to settle at least some issues and by the time Wings came, they had new dynamics. By the New Year - yet another development. After that - further evolution.
It is exactly what makes them real to me: they have always had progression, they always seem to move forward and evolve. The development in their relationship looks very convincing to me when I take everything into account - age, possible sexuality crises, rise to fame, responsibility to the group etc. It looks plausible to me, all things considered INCLUDING t/k and v/min relationships. It all makes for a reasonable timeline and progression in my head, albeit with many holes and uncertainties.
To put it simply: no other ship fits the bill better when thinking about all the aspects, even going back years in the past, such ad 2016.
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